Subj : Re: Forget a hosepipe ban To : MIKE POWELL From : Rob Mccart Date : Sat Aug 23 2025 08:44:15 RM>> NOTE: I'm not saying Globel Warming is not happening, I question >> whether we caused it or could do anything to stop it seeing as >> it's happened multiple times in the past when there were a lot >> fewer people on earth to create it.. MP>Yeah, I get that. Use something that has some truth to it in order to >scare us all into doing something "they" (the government, corporations, or >some mix of the two) want us to. Pretty sure they've tried multiple times >with Global Warming/Climate Change. It seems to have worked in some >countries/regions, too. Yes, part of it is also that what they want us to stop doing is still good for the planet, so making it sound like it's much more important that we do these things has a double benefit to the gov't and for pollution, although we all pay $ for it.. RM>> The world has had a lot more years (twice as many) without polar >> ice caps as with them and 4000 years ago they could grow crops >> in England that it is now too Cold to grow.. RM>> Global warming or natural correction? MP>The best explanation I have seen was on a PBS special a few years back. >They looked at how the northern regions of Canada, currently mostly frozen, >were once rich with plant life. They were quick to point out that this was >the case while these lands were mostly in their current position, and not >from back before the continents shifted to where they are now. MP>They visited several other areas that used to be much different, showing >evidence in the rocks and ice cores of where different cycles began and >ended. The end conclusion was that the Earth has always had these cycles, bu >that the arrival of man (and more specifically, our adoption of fire, >urbanization, and industrialization) has caused these cycles to be more >"compact" -- to change more frequently and with greater speed than they used >to. MP>I don't find that difficult to believe. Yes, they can find proof of what was happening thousands of years ago if they take the time and money to investigate. As you said, the Canadian arctic (perma-frost) used to be a vast grassland plus out prairies where most of our crops are grown used to be Desert thousands of years ago so for that reason I always use the term Climate Change rather than Global Warming. There is an excellent book that looks at all this with references to the real science they use in the book, but the book itself is a fictional, entertaining story about eco-terrorists written by Michael Crichton called State of Fear. That was written in 2004 so some of it may be somewhat outdated but one thing I recall, I hope correctly, was them talking about how the ocean levels were rapidly rising, and he pointed out that there are some inhabited islands where the highest point is only a few feet above sea level, and they haven't had any problems yet. Another part was about how any scientists who didn't say exactly what the Gov't wanted them to say lost their jobs and/or funding. MP>What I do find difficult to believe is when supposedly expert people claim >that shifts that happened *before* the industrial age were mostly/completely >caused by man and not, say, a string of volcanic eruptions (or other >natural phenomenon) that were known to have happened at about the same time. Yes, there have been forest fires as long as there have been forests, long before people, and a good sized volcanic eruption can add a huge amount of carbon to the atmosphere as well. The amount from volcanoes is wildly debated online, some say they put out more than people do and others say only 1% of what people create.. --- * SLMR Rob * Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105) .