Aucb.126 fa.editor-p utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!C70:editor-p Tue Dec 8 13:21:34 1981 Number of keystrokes in Control-Meta-D >From Guy.Steele@CMU-10A Tue Dec 8 13:18:54 1981 I would also agree that, on an ASCII keyboard, Control-Meta-D is closer to three keystrokes, at least physically, than to one. Conceptually, I think I think of it as two keystrokes. But I would like to lay emphasis on a point that was brought up earlier in this discussion: EMACS was originally designed for special keyboards with orthogonal Control and Meta keys; this is how the terminology originally arose. Little or no thought was given in the original command layout to keystroke efficiency on ASCII keyboards. I can assert this because I originally collated the first primitive and rudimentary EMACS command set, drawing on the work of many others on pre-EMACS but EMACS-like extensions to ITS TECO. Since then the command set has been extensively refined and polished, with more attention given to ASCII keyboards, and nearly all of the credit for this belongs to Richard Stallman (as well as credit for nearly all of the original implementation effort). Attention was given, however, to keystroke efficiency on these special keyboards. It was for this, as well as menmonic reasons, that commands were grouped the way they were. This is particularly true of the word commands, and a bit less true of the LISP commands. While "delete word" is two keystrokes (hit meta key, hit D), "delete three words" is only four keystrokes (meta, D, D, D). This is also why certain commands behave in what might otherwise seem odd or inconsistent ways. One case in point is the transpose commands, which transpose two two objects surrounding the cursor, but also *move the cursor*, thus: FOO/\ BAR ==transpose word==> BAR FOO/\. The reason for this odd motion of the cursor is because (we think) one wants to undo a transposition less often than to move a word several positions. By leaning on the meta key and hitting T several times one can move a word several places. Similarly, consider the word uppercase, lowercase, and capitalize commands. These move over the affected word so that one can lean on the meta key and convert several words with fewer keystrokes. While on an ASCII keyboard converting the feynman lectures on physics, volume ii to The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume II takes fourteen keystrokes (ESC C ESC C ESC C ESC L ESC C ESC C ESC U), on the special keyboard it takes only eight (Meta C C C L C C U). Now other editors have a special "do that again" command, or several varieties (such as repeat last cursor motion, repeat last deletion, etc.). However, I believe it takes a bit more time to shift to that key than to just hit the same key several times (this is an unsubstantiated conjecture, of course). --Guy ----------------------------------------------------------------- gopher://quux.org/ conversion by John Goerzen of http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed freely, provided: 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.