Bobbel69: What about the "no one can control the laws of nature", "the environment can't change" and "the laws of logic are immutable" ? That sounds like something from a socialist worldview! [20:23:06] <mattmurphyfun> no one can control the laws of nature [20:23:07] <BipolarBear0> How about "no one can force anyone to do anything" and "the laws of logic can be changed" [20: