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This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: Twik Date: March 8, 2019, 9:45 am
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HTML http://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/lifestyleroyals/meghan-markle-racist-online-abuse-puts-palace-on-high-alert/ar-BBUwUBO?ocid=ientp<br
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Once I thought society was moving forward, but there are people
who glory in their own awfulness, I guess.
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Re: This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: Aleko Date: March 8, 2019, 12:36 pm
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I think MSN is slightly misreading this whole troll situation.
It is certainly sad that some people get their kicks trolling
Meghan for being mixed-race, but the fact is that these are the
same people who troll Kate for being lower-middle-class and the
daughter of an air hostess - and, if either of the princes had
married a king's or a duke's daughter instead, would undoubtedly
have targeted her as a snobby aristo / an effing inbred
foreigner. It's just a handy stick to beat her with: racism is
hardly the point at all for the vast majority of the trolls,
whose main hobby is spilling bile indiscriminately.
- And, BTW, MSN are wrong also to say that 'Meghan and Harry's
forthcoming child will be the first known mixed-race baby in the
royal family's thousand-year history': the first was born in
2010. Senna Kowhai Lewis and Tāne Mahuta Lewis,
great-great-grandchildren of King George V, who are currently
31st and 32nd in line to the throne, are half-Maori.
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Re: This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: LurkingGurl Date: March 8, 2019, 3:24 pm
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I wouldn't blame society. The article had this little bit
"The analysis of the tweets, posted between January and the
middle of February, shows that a tight-knit group of accounts is
behind much of the trolling."
That's not society at large. That's a trolling operation.
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Re: This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: JeanFromBNA Date: March 12, 2019, 5:55 pm
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1036.msg27385#msg27385
date=1552070172]
I think MSN is slightly misreading this whole troll situation.
It is certainly sad that some people get their kicks trolling
Meghan for being mixed-race, but the fact is that these are the
same people who troll Kate for being lower-middle-class and the
daughter of an air hostess - and, if either of the princes had
married a king's or a duke's daughter instead, would undoubtedly
have targeted her as a snobby aristo / an effing inbred
foreigner. It's just a handy stick to beat her with: racism is
hardly the point at all for the vast majority of the trolls,
whose main hobby is spilling bile indiscriminately.
- And, BTW, MSN are wrong also to say that 'Meghan and Harry's
forthcoming child will be the first known mixed-race baby in the
royal family's thousand-year history': the first was born in
2010. Senna Kowhai Lewis and Tāne Mahuta Lewis,
great-great-grandchildren of King George V, who are currently
31st and 32nd in line to the throne, are half-Maori.
[/quote]
I thought that the Middletons were upper-middle-class?
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Re: This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: Aleko Date: March 15, 2019, 10:32 am
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[quote]I thought that the Middletons were
upper-middle-class?[/quote]
(Sorry for delay - have been off-grid for a couple of days.)
'The British class system is unspeakably complex, being not only
multi-stratified horizontally but also segmented vertically.
It's important to grasp (your profile gives no clue to your
location, so forgive me if you're a Brit and know this) that
it's not a matter of how rich you are, but your education,
outlook, manners and lifestyle. Also, like your investments,
your class status can go down as well as up - traditionally, if
you adopt a chavvy occupation and way of life, you will drift
downwards and your more genteel relatives will cease to invite
you round.
No, the Middletons are not upper-middle-class, although huge
efforts have been made by some commentators to insist that they
are, with ill-informed waffle about 'ties to the aristocracy'
and 'they entertained royalty'. The Leeds Middleton family were
solid Yorkshire middle-middle for generations, but Papa
Middleton and his father both made a living as commercial pilots
(very lower-middle) so in spite of going to public school he was
a rung below his grandparents' level even before he married Mama
Middleton, who of of course is pure lower-middle (builder's
daughter from Southall, state schooling, air hostess) and they
became very rich running a business selling party supplies,
which is very definitely not an upper-middle or even a
middle-middle-class thing to do, but nevertheless provided them
with the money to launch their children at high society. Some
journalists have adopted the term 'Upper Middleton Classes' for
this innovative social phenomenon.
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Re: This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: JeanFromBNA Date: March 18, 2019, 12:48 pm
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Aleko, that's fascinating. I'm in the southern U.S. Class
distinctions in the U.S. are almost entirely about money, with
perhaps a bit of educational achievement thrown in. In the U.S.,
the Middletons would have formerly been middle-class, but are
now upper-middle-class. Almost no-one identifies as upper class
in the U.S. - It's not egalitarian to do so. The upper classes
are referred to as the "elites," usually with a sneer.
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Re: This is just sad. And enfuriating.
By: VorFemme Date: March 18, 2019, 7:34 pm
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=1036.msg27654#msg27654
date=1552663954]
[quote]I thought that the Middletons were
upper-middle-class?[/quote]
(Sorry for delay - have been off-grid for a couple of days.)
'The British class system is unspeakably complex, being not only
multi-stratified horizontally but also segmented vertically.
It's important to grasp (your profile gives no clue to your
location, so forgive me if you're a Brit and know this) that
it's not a matter of how rich you are, but your education,
outlook, manners and lifestyle. Also, like your investments,
your class status can go down as well as up - traditionally, if
you adopt a chavvy occupation and way of life, you will drift
downwards and your more genteel relatives will cease to invite
you round.
No, the Middletons are not upper-middle-class, although huge
efforts have been made by some commentators to insist that they
are, with ill-informed waffle about 'ties to the aristocracy'
and 'they entertained royalty'. The Leeds Middleton family were
solid Yorkshire middle-middle for generations, but Papa
Middleton and his father both made a living as commercial pilots
(very lower-middle) so in spite of going to public school he was
a rung below his grandparents' level even before he married Mama
Middleton, who of of course is pure lower-middle (builder's
daughter from Southall, state schooling, air hostess) and they
became very rich running a business selling party supplies,
which is very definitely not an upper-middle or even a
middle-middle-class thing to do, but nevertheless provided them
with the money to launch their children at high society. Some
journalists have adopted the term 'Upper Middleton Classes' for
this innovative social phenomenon.
[/quote]
Having read a lot of Regency Romances and a few books written
during the Regency and a lot of other books set in Britain - I
can almost hear the voice of an aristocrat drawling out "they're
in trade" as an explanation as to why they are *not* in the
upper crust of society - or wouldn't have been for oh, say, the
last few hundred years.
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