DIR Return Create A Forum - Home --------------------------------------------------------- Bad Manners and Brimstone HTML https://badmanners.createaforum.com --------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** DIR Return to: Announcements ***************************************************** #Post#: 3124-------------------------------------------------- Welcome--starting over... again! By: LadyX Date: May 22, 2018, 11:20 am --------------------------------------------------------- Welcome! It’s been an interesting few days here. This forum was opened on May 10th and immediately the energy was really positive and enthusiastic. But, that gradually started changing late last week with the developments on the EH forum and the addition here of a handful of very angry people looking to settle a score. Having been banned on the main EH site, they sought to air their grievances here. While many posters had been expressing some issues with the moderation at EH and the very strict rules that they experienced in an effort to say they want something a little different, some took it to a darker place. One mod quit for personal reasons and for not wanting to have to wade through the bad energy that was developing. The mods that remained were not on board with me trying to change where things were going. There was a very concerted effort to be so hands off that it allowed trolls to start exercising control of this forum. Drama that could have been nipped in the bud, was left to fester in the fears that locking a thread or deleting certain posts would lead to criticism that this was “just like old Ehell.” This culminated yesterday is a complete meltdown of a entire group of posters—posters who with the possible exception of one or two—are part of an Ehell FB Grudge group where they post intensely negative things about the EH Forum and many of the people who post there. Yesterday they targeted us, and in particular, me. And it went on. All day. All night. And the mods would not back me up. They decided to side with the bullies and start their own forum. Though, since there was obviously a difference of vision from the beginning, this was not a completely unexpected outcome. They didn’t even have the courtesy to PM me—I found out about what they had done when one of them posted it publicly on this site. And I didn’t know until today that one of them sent out a mass email to everyone registered here inviting them to that new forum. I’m sorry to those of you were offended by that communication. I didn’t do a very solid job of choosing mods and I didn’t know that they would have the ability to do that. It is my intention that announcements will be made from this folder, not through any kind of mass mailings. So, now what? Well, now we start over just as others are starting over elsewhere. I have deleted as many of the people who were here to cause trouble as I possibly could. I am sure that some are still lurking but if they behave themselves and participate in a productive way, they can stay. As far as rules. Just use common sense. Don’t try to be offensive to other people. And try not to take offense if none is truly intended. If you see any kind of bullying behavior, people dog piling on an OP or just bringing a really bad energy to the site, let me know. Also, I would appreciate if you would all avoid really controversial topics that people are likely to get into heated arguments about—anything political, religious, etc. That said, it is not necessary to tamp down every mention of anything remotely political or religious. As long as it doesn’t get out of hand, it’s good. As far as discussing EHell, please keep it in the context of moving this forum forward, not attacking Jeanne or the mods. Please do not discuss the drama that is continuing to unfold on that main site. That’s all I’ve got for now. Thank-you for being here! I really appreciate it! I really hope we can get back to the positive and enthusiastic energy that was here at the beginning. #Post#: 3150-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: Hmmm Date: May 22, 2018, 2:53 pm --------------------------------------------------------- I'm very sorry things ended up this way. I know you put a lot of work and effort into this board and I agree it was exhausting seeing complaints about the previous board continuously raised. I didn't understand if those who were doing the complaining about old eHell really couldn't see the negative energy they were spewing or if it was actually their goal. I was surprised to see the message yesterday from one of the mods about the new board. I had hoped they'd spoken with you before sending that out. I'm sure it felt very much like a slap in the face if they didn't make you aware of their plans prior to sending out the message. #Post#: 3168-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: jpcher Date: May 22, 2018, 5:34 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Thank you, LadyB, for your explanation. It absolutely astounded me how the dissension on the old site dog-piled so quickly against Jeanne and the Mods. I mean Whaaaat? It greatly saddens me to see such a wonderful, comfortable site go out in such a manner. Then! The dissension continued here! AND!!! After LadyB banned some of the posters, they went back on Ehell just to diss her there because they couldn't diss her here any more. Is this what a polite society looks like? I think not. I do think EhellDame was correct in leaving up/undeleting those disparaging posts. This shows us what an unmoderated forum could turn into . . . someplace that I do not want to be. LadyB so freely and graciously offered her time and experience in order for the old site to be carried over to our new, comfortable, happy home. For this, I applaud her;D I stand behind LadyB and her choices. If you agree then please support her. If you disagree with my post, then . . . Good bye. #Post#: 3176-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: Kiwipinball Date: May 22, 2018, 6:16 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=Hmmm link=topic=245.msg3150#msg3150 date=1527018784] I'm very sorry things ended up this way. I know you put a lot of work and effort into this board and I agree it was exhausting seeing complaints about the previous board continuously raised. I didn't understand if those who were doing the complaining about old eHell really couldn't see the negative energy they were spewing or if it was actually their goal. I was surprised to see the message yesterday from one of the mods about the new board. I had hoped they'd spoken with you before sending that out. I'm sure it felt very much like a slap in the face if they didn't make you aware of their plans prior to sending out the message. [/quote] Yeah, I agree. I was getting disturbed by the amount of negativity and, while I was willing to give the forum a chance to calm down (at least until after Ehell closed), I was starting to consider not participating. I don't need that level of negativity. I liked the old Ehell just fine. Which is not to say there's no room for improvement, but I don't find Ehell 2.0 to be as frightening as some apparently do. :) Oddly enough, I didn't receive that e-mail. I'm good with missing all the drama though. Hopefully things will settle down. #Post#: 3178-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: Thitpualso Date: May 22, 2018, 7:03 pm --------------------------------------------------------- When a cherished board breaks down it breaks down in a bad way. There are people like LadyB who pick up the flag and try to carry on. These people are to be commended but it is a thankless task. Every member has a slightly different view of directions which the new board should take. No one can satisfy everyone. There are always people who will choose to leave. A relative with a PhD was appointed the Chair of his department at a university. He likened the Chairmanship to becoming the fire hydrant or litter box for everyone else. That is the problem Mods face when a new board is launched. We think we’re adult and polite but the truth is that some of us have the mentality of 12 year-olds. In their minds, if I’m a friend of Y i can’t possibly be a friend of X. That’s not a mature way to respond to differences. We can get along nicely if we treat each other with a bit of leeway. I’ll be here. Let’s all give BM&B a decent shake. #Post#: 3180-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: katiekat2009 Date: May 22, 2018, 7:13 pm --------------------------------------------------------- I guess I missed all the drama. I was pretty much a lurker on Ehell and may be on here, as well. Just glad to be here. Thank you for starting the forum. #Post#: 3197-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: RevMaxx Date: May 22, 2018, 11:13 pm --------------------------------------------------------- shaking off any drama I 'm in for the long haul on all 3 new sites and am neutral to the 3 and ehell. ((even tho I had a melodramattic moment 5 days ago trying to shut everbody up to behave like grownups on ehell site) :-[ #Post#: 3201-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: Judecat Date: May 23, 2018, 12:48 am --------------------------------------------------------- I quite like it here, and while I don't like a lot of rules, without rules every forum I've ever participated in has devolved into chaos. I do not agree that we need you to leave up posts so that everyone knows what rule was broken -- we are all adults and we should know by now what the rules are. All of the forums that I am a member of, have the basic rules of civilized society -- no drama, no dissing, no arguing religion or politics (one forum even has an entirely different sub-forum for discussing controversial subjects, if you have a problem with a member talk to the moderator. Honestly, when I went to bed last night I was really upset with all the drama, I felt like I was back in Jr High with the mean girls, and I signed in tonight with the intention of quitting. I'm glad I checked this thread first. I do feel that this group has the potential to be a very good group. This is probably the longest post you will ever read by me. I usually lurk, but I just had to speak up. #Post#: 3214-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: Wanaca Date: May 23, 2018, 7:39 am --------------------------------------------------------- I'm here and I'm not going anywhere in the near future. I believe in the forum and the wonderful folks here. I'm looking forward to coming here every day to learn new things and viewpoints and maybe get a chuckle or two. Now I'm off to find some interesting threads! #Post#: 3235-------------------------------------------------- Re: Welcome--starting over... again! By: Miki Date: May 23, 2018, 10:03 am --------------------------------------------------------- As usual, I'm completely clueless. In fact, this is like high school. People I like get caught up in a war, and by the time I think I know what happened, everybody is settled in but me. Waaah! Actually, I'm Switzerland in WWII but without the beautiful scenery, lol. Still, I'm happy to be here! ***************************************************** DIR Next Page