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Heraclitus : Bow, Life and Death FRAGMENTS “The bow (βιός) is called life (βίος), but its work is death.” [B 47] “Immortals are mortals, mortals immortals: living their death, dying their life.” [B 62] (p52 Barnes) “For souls it is death to become water, for water death to become earth; but from earth water comes into being, from water soul.” [B 36] (p63 Barnes) “…the death of earth is to become water, and the death of water to become air, and of air fire, and the reverse.” [B 76] (p65 Barnes) “Men do not know how what is at variance agrees with itself. It is an attunement of opposite tension, like that of the bow and the lyre.” [B 51] “All the things we see when awake are death, even as all we see in slumber are sleep.” [B 21] QUESTION Looking at the fragment [B47] mentioning life and death how are we to understand them? The purpose of a bow and arrow is to kill, this is simple enough. However Heraclitus goes on to say that the function of life is death. We must find out what the words could have meant for Heraclitus, in this way resonance and density has the potential to steer us away from simplistic or anachronistic interpretations. HOW ARE THE WORDS USED? H. in one sense could be speaking about life in terms of nature and observing that many lifeforms are born and then cause the death of other lifeforms. In another sense we could understand ‘life’ in terms of the lived human experience and taking Nussbaum’s interpretation of [B62], [B47] could be taken as: that which makes life is the fact of mortality (death), that is, just as a bow must be able to kill to be considered a good bow then so too life must include death to be considered a good life. However, in [B36] and [B76] death seemingly plays a different role in which the fragments could be interpreted as a theory on matter and its different states. How death in [B47] relates to death in [B36] and [B76] is not clear at all. And so Nussbaum’s interpretation of death as an empty existence does not seem to hold across the fragments, of course we could posit that H. uses death in different ways across the fragments. We find a clue in [B51] the only other time where ‘bow’ is mentioned. Here the use of bow is in relation to its string being in tension. We can now return to [B47] and interpret H. as saying that like the attuned string of the bow, where the top and bottom are pulled with equal force and thus stay in a harmony so too life and death are two opposing forces whose struggle results in a balance. It seems obvious then that a primary reading can be established as one in which H. is concerned with the nature of nature. This reading melds somewhat with the states of matter interpretation of [B36] and [B76] in that the theme revolves around physics or nature. Building on this reading [B21] could be tenuously interpreted to refer to hyle (‘dead’ matter) but maybe this goes too far as we must keep in mind that the same fragment could be interpreted as making an observation about the experience of life. CONCLUSION The interpretation of H. as a phusikoi is well evidenced but in an attempt to resolve the ambiguities we could say that H. is talking about opposites not just in nature but in our lived experience, all in all an observation of being. So we have speculated as to H.’s subject but what does he say of being? I cannot say but perhaps it is to do with a unity between mind and world, that there is no ‘distance’ as Descartes thinks but something underlying, basic and ‘flowing’ throughout. #Post#: 32-------------------------------------------------- Re: Heraclitus Essays ;D By: xavierhn Date: August 28, 2017, 3:48 am --------------------------------------------------------- [center]Panta and the arche of unity[/center] The plural adjective panta (πάντα) found throughout eleven fragments is translated, without a substantive, as ‘all’. One is immediately challenged with figuring out how all, as in many (beings) taken together, comes about. This is no small feat, due to Heraclitus’ claim that it is wise following logos to consider all beings are one (en panta) (Fr. 50). The challenge in understanding how all is one is in seeing what gives a unity its unifying character, i.e., what enables many beings to be considered one? In other words, Heraclitus seems to be asking, what is the arche of unity (of beings)? With this question in mind, I will turn to examine resonances of panta in fragment seven. [center]Fragment Seven[/center] The thrust of the fragment reads in that even with the distorting presence of smoke a distinction between all (beings) and existent (beings) remains perceptible by a human sense. That Heraclitus has chosen smoke for showing a perceptible difference in an obscuring way –as smoke simultaneously screens off and indicates–suggests that panta ta onta are close together yet essentially different. The difference presented is seen through a commonality lying in that panta ta onta characterise beings as a whole ; panta show all beings to be seen as one, while onta beings as actual. Here, the similarity is about beings in terms of a difference between the mode of presence that beings take , one or actual – yet neither difference show us the arche, of what makes beings, one or existent, it simply is sensed. Diagnoien translated as distinguish taken literally means ‘knowing-through’ as in a careful discerning that differentiates things. To be discerning, sets apart, but also allows comparisons to emerge, hence the ‘knowing’ aspect. Diagnoien as a verb enables us to discern that all beings (panta) are ‘present’ through smoke, a presence not of existence (onta). This distinguishing characteristic of panta is deepened in several fragments. Fragment 10, where out of all beings one emerges, and out of one (en) all beings; fragment 80, panta comes into being (ginomena) from strife. The movement of distinguishing, present in fragments 10 and 80, as from out of something, and as opposed to something, now appears to be a characteristic of panta, i.e., all has an embracing and dismantling quality. This seems to make sense when we think about the transition from many different beings and how they could be considered to belong together as one, which fragment 64 itself brings out that panta is steered through by lightning; lightning which has the chief characteristic of a compact movement enabling many different beings to brought to appearance. Herein lies the unifying character in the movement towards appearance, for we say that all beings come forward to appear in like manner, the moving toward appearance is what characterises all beings as one: they show themselves. [center]Conclusion[/center] To give a provisional answer to our question of what unifying aspect characterises panta is opened up from lightning in fragment 64. The belonging together of beings is the result of being brought forward to appearance, in the open light of lightning, beings stand presently as one. We call this movement of panta gathering. Such a standing of beings taken collectively brought from without, stands opposed to receding into not-being, namely strife. Strife like war is that which threatens beings as a whole with the prospect of not-being. Panta as a dynamic movement pulls beings as a whole between gathering and strife; between being present and not-being at all. My interpretation of identifying the nature of panta as one of movement, namely, a pulling towards being present and not-being has found great support in Kahn’s principles. With resonance, it has allowed me to start from fragment 7 on distinguishing, then, to see an implicit movement there and to draw out thematic connections with three other fragments that deal with the moving qualities of panta (Fr. 10, 80, 64). Likewise, ambiguity, shows in smoke being both a veiling and counterveiling force that I drew into connection with several fragments, that, in turn, deepened panta as containing moving oppositions (gathering-dismantling). #Post#: 33-------------------------------------------------- Re: Heraclitus Essays ;D By: StircrazyReality Date: August 28, 2017, 5:58 am --------------------------------------------------------- We begin with Fragment 64: ‘Lightning steers all things’ - τὰ δὲ πάντα οἰακίζει κεραυνός. When the principle of linguistic density is applied to ‘lightning’, two primary groups of meaning are apparent. The first is lightning as the tool of Zeus, and as fire. The second is the flash, which in an instantaneous moment lights up all things from a state of darkness, and with clarity shows all things in their relations to one another. The first group of meanings see the phenomenon of lightening as an active force, while the second group of meanings see lightning as imparting no movement of its own. The doxographer from whom we get fragment B64, Hippolytus, interprets as follows: “He says that this fire is intelligent and the cause of the management of the universe, expressing it thus: The Thunderbolt steers all things (B64) – by the thunderbolt he means the eternal fire” Here thunderbolt is clearly an active force, and also one that is intelligent. An Aristotelian reading of Heraclitus’s ontology is the he is a material monist who posits fire as the source of all things. The reading of this fragment could then be that fire, in its manifestation as lightning, is an active force that is the source of all things and drives all things. However, let us move onto the principle of resonance to see if any other readings emerge. I will list a series of resonances, and then try and find a nucleus of meaning that emerges. There are two mentions of steering; (B11) Every beast is driven to pasture with a blow (B41) Wisdom is one thing. It is to know the thought by which all things are steered through all things. I will take (B41) as our second clue, as we try and uncover the phenomenon of ‘steering’, which is the verb of action in (B64). There is a third fragment that resonates with ‘wisdom’ and ‘one thing’ in (B41), and ‘Zeus’(the wielder of lightning) in (B64). (B32) The wise is one thing only. It is willing and unwilling to be called by the name of Zeus. It appears that ‘wise’ and ‘Zeus’ can be layered on top of each other. Standing back, it appears that lightning, Zeus and wisdom are all closely ties together. If we reflect on this, both lightning and wisdom reveal things as they really are. Both lightning and wisdom are said to steer in relation to all things. However how can there be something outside of all things that steers all things? A problem arises with having all things, and then an extra ‘one steering thing’. The ‘all things’ then does not mean all things, but only some things. We can look to fragment 108, in which we must remember that wise is layered on top of Zeus and lightning. (B108) Of all whose discourses I have heard, there is not one who attains to recognizing that the wise is set apart from all. From this I get the interpretation that lightning and wisdom are not components of all things, and are not causal movers of all things in the capacity of a physical force. I reject seeing lightning as a force. It is the phenomenon of revealing that steers all things. Wisdom, and the flash of thunderbolt both show things as things, e.g earth as earth, and it is this clarity of seeing that steers. This clarity flashes out of the darkness, a darkness in which all things are indistinct. I do not yet understand how the phenomenon of steering occurs. The answer to this can perhaps be found in examining a lack of steering. There is more to be explored in terms of the impermanence of the flash, and man’s relation to darkness. (B26) Man is kindled and put out like a light in the night-time There is more to be explored with God, wisdom and how anything can be ‘unrevealed’. (B78) The way of man has no wisdom, but that of the gods has It is important to remember that a flash of lightning does not occur in clear daylight, but only when there is darkness. Bibliography Fink, Eugen, and Martin Heidegger. Heraclitus Seminar. Translated by Charles H. Seribert. Alabama: University of Alabama Press, 1970. Kahn, H. Charles. On reading Heraclitus. In Pre-Socratic reader. 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