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       Slower Drivers
       By: GAZZA_308 Date: January 24, 2013, 5:41 pm
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       Hey fella's, there is a defining gap between the grid in pace
       and too try and get everyone on a level playing field and make
       the racing more competitive, could the faster guys share their
       knowledge of set ups with us slower drivers??  :-[
       Then it becomes a question of the drivers ability.  ::)
       I know myself that I am always a sec or 2 off the pace and over
       the course of 30 to 35 laps it becomes quite a margin and that's
       not taking into consideration any carnage that might take place.
       Obviously drivers like Moss for example are just better at it
       than others but at least we might be able to keep in touch and
       maybe we might see some different names on the podium, maybe.
       :P
       It doesn't have to be open discussions, just a little help on
       the side.  :-X
       So if you can help it would be much appreciated.  ;D ;D ;D
       Cheers.
       GAZZA.
       
       #Post#: 2738--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: livolay Date: January 24, 2013, 7:09 pm
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       Only way to shorten the gap would be to do the one shot qualy
       with no setups & shorten the race length to 20%.
       Drew already said he didn't want this.
       Other than that here is a set-up guide:
  HTML http://www.youtube.com/user/tiametmarduk1/featured
       #Post#: 2739--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: drewdawg727 Date: January 24, 2013, 7:18 pm
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       Meh, all my earlier grumblings/complaints/bitching is pretty
       much thrown out the window Livo, as the league is completely
       different now than it was when we started.
       I do know that we need to try something different for sure. I've
       had it in my gut ever since Christmas break that this league is
       going to fizzle and that feeling hasn't changed.
       #Post#: 2740--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: GAZZA_308 Date: January 24, 2013, 8:04 pm
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       Thanks Livo, that's a big help for me and definitely a more
       positive outlook than some.  ::)
       Cheers mate.  ;D ;D ;D
       [quote]I do know that we need to try something different for
       sure. I've had it in my gut ever since Christmas break that this
       league is going to fizzle and that feeling hasn't changed.
       [/quote]What would you suggest Andrew?? :)
       #Post#: 2741--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: livolay Date: January 24, 2013, 8:11 pm
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       Well in my opinion that format would help the league. Have 2
       races instead of just the one which would mean a quicker season.
       The season wouldn't then be dragging on. With 2 races there is
       also the opportunity of finishing the night on a high still if
       you crash, dsc, have a shocker in the 1st race. Sucks having to
       wait a whole week to try & get another shot at a result (in my
       case a month :'().
       Set up the championship table with only your best 15 results &
       that will also help bring the field closer for the guys that
       can't make certain nights. Would make the championship more
       exciting IMO.
       Feel free to reject my ideas, it wouldn't be the 1st time.  ;D
       #Post#: 2742--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: livolay Date: January 24, 2013, 8:17 pm
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       Your welcome Gazza.
       I'm waiting with anticipation for Moss's help & opinion on
       set-ups.
       His set-up guide might be a lot more helpful.
       #Post#: 2743--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: drewdawg727 Date: January 24, 2013, 8:29 pm
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       I don't know Gary, quit putting the spotlight on me  >:(
       I will say this though, that setup honestly is not a big factor
       in this game....it's gonna help you along a little bit but
       Striker and I tried at least a dozen or more different things to
       setup in Barcelona over the 3 weeks break that we had and we
       were able to put up times not more than .5sec apart. This game
       is really all about consistency and finding the right braking
       points/acceleration points/hitting all your apexes and being
       smooth. If you don't have that, a "fast setup" is not going to
       help you.
       I bet if Moss, Stubbs, and myself all put up our setups....they
       would differ greatly.
       Wheel settings also really really matter in this game more than
       I've seen before as well.
       #Post#: 2744--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: camstubbs86 Date: January 25, 2013, 12:57 am
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       Hey gaz I'll help u out like I did on the last game which
       unfortunately was the last race at brasil. But u were very
       strong with my setup for the 1st half of race. I've been
       reluctant to share my setup so far for this game as I haven't
       found a as stable setup for this like I had on 2011. Although
       for my last 4 league races I've used the same default setup I've
       been workin on since the release. And since then I've won 3/4
       with a come from last to 2nd at our race at canada. Which I had
       really good pace. And 2 of them I'm beaten dreglar who is like
       moss in pace. But the funny thing is I've given it too 3/4
       others and only 1 of them had success. Go figure.
       So it's like drew said. U have to understand the games
       boundaries ei line and exit speed plus brakes before u make a
       good setup work
       #Post#: 2745--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: GAZZA_308 Date: January 25, 2013, 3:43 am
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       I am not putting the spotlight on you Andrew, you keep saying
       the league needs changes so all I did was ask what your thoughts
       were. This season has been full of set backs, 2 patches
       distributed at 2 different times, to 2 parts of the world, so of
       course it is dragging out as we all agreed to wait for the Nth
       Americans. We would be at Monza or further if all went to plan.
       I personally like the way it is but am always up for anything,
       or almost anything, lol!
       I understand that being consistent is a big part of keeping up
       which is something I haven't been able to do but I think that's
       more to do with lack of practice. I have been practicing just
       about all day and trying different braking and driving lines and
       I think it's helping.
       Stubbs your advice last season was very helpful and it was my
       set ups which wasn't on song. I don't quite get the jist of
       setting up the car so that's why I am asking for help, because I
       think I am doing something wrong.
       I am not asking for your personal setup, just for some help.  :P
       :P :P
       #Post#: 2746--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Slower Drivers
       By: STRIKER Date: January 25, 2013, 10:54 am
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       I am aways open with my car setups as drew just sayed
       before there will be many car setups that will work. I think
       some people have a natural talent for this game, they don't
       realy know what is a good car setup becouse everything works! We
       will improve only with a lot of practice, some people don't have
       the time for it so i think some changes could be good for this
       competion. I realy like livos idea about use only your 15 best
       for the time table, so people that got disconected or coudn't
       make the race for some reason, wont be too affected. I have
       frends running a race ligue with this sistem but they take only
       three poor performances for the season, They also play with 2012
       car performance and the cars rotate acording with your previous
       race. Last on the grig is the first to shoose the car.
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