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The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: Caos Date: May 2, 2015, 12:49 pm
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[glow=red,2,300][shadow=red,left][font=times new roman]Welcome,
one and all, to the Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The Dummy
Stage![/font][/shadow][/glow]
Hey! Welcome.
First off, the title is not an insult. It's a joke. MK-1s are
always the dummy stage.
Anyway, lets get down to business.
This is a thread where you, yes, you, the player can ask me, or
ANYONE, about military. Whether it be anything from bullet
caliber to nuclear weaponry, if you've got a question, ask it
here, and we will do our best to answer truthfully and honestly.
And also not spew out something really bad.
So, hop right in, boys!
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: david090366 Date: May 3, 2015, 12:56 am
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OK, I'll open with a concept I've been toying with for a while.
Thermobaric MIRVs or ICBM. How heavy would a thermobaric warhead
to make this idea worthwhile have to be and could it be launched
on a conventional ICBM booster? FOAB was 15,650 lb, and Russia
built 100 of them, however they were meant for delivery by
bombers.
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: Caos Date: May 3, 2015, 1:12 am
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[quote author=Confederate Missouri link=topic=21.msg94#msg94
date=1430632564]
OK, I'll open with a concept I've been toying with for a while.
Thermobaric MIRVs or ICBM. How heavy would a thermobaric warhead
to make this idea worthwhile have to be and could it be launched
on a conventional ICBM booster? FOAB was 15,650 lb, and Russia
built 100 of them, however they were meant for delivery by
bombers.
[/quote]
Good question. To answer this, I have to first note the purpose
and meaning of Thermobaric.
Thermobaric weapons are basically FAE, or Fuel Air Explosive.
They work by dispensing a mist-like vapor of flammable chemicals
throughout the air at high speeds, then igniting them at once.
This is BEST for a large anti ship weapon, or a bunker buster,
as it gets into nasty places and even if it doesn't explode, it
sure messes people up by suffocating them in toxins.
Unfortunately, this brings with it some issues, such as size,
ratio of fuel to air, and the delivery of the fuel. For
practical reasons, the FOAB will probably be the largest version
of an FAE there is. As it stands, the present Trident II missile
carries 11 800 pound thermonuclear warheads, around 8,800 pounds
of warheads. So, unless you used Saturn V, using an FAE with the
delivery of the FOAB (blast of about 1000 feet), you won't get
MIRVs. You CAN, however, use a single warhead, but keep in mind
that a lot of the FOAB focuses around the actual deployment of
the weapon. Using the FOAB as an ICBM could be inefficient, if
not perhaps slightly impossible, considering the heat it has to
withstand, as well as how it would deploy the fuel and ignite
it. Using a timed version, however, as a large bunker buster,
would actually work well. Even launching it as a ballistic
missile, and having it glide on it's way to the target might
work.
Now, as a MIRV, using Thermobarics would not be worth it. Using
even conventional would not either, considering the fact that
some might view launching ICBMs as an act of nuclear war,
considering no one knows it's payload. With that in mind, this
is the NCSA and we aren't dumb, but to get your bang out of your
buck, use either MRV or MIRVs with cluster warheads. But not
Thermobaric, unless you are targeting specific bunkers far away.
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: david090366 Date: May 3, 2015, 1:39 am
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I've been trying to come up with a "replacement" for Nukes that
might not be considered a WMD. This was the best thing I could
come up with because it generates one heck of a nasty explosion,
hence its use as a bunker buster, but doesn't leave radiation
lying around for centuries. Interestingly I did find a canceled
Supersonic Intercontinental Cruise Missile (SM-64 Navaho) that
was actually designed to carry a nuclear warhead of similar
weight. Now the question that begs to be answered is feasibility
as a weapon system The reason the US didn't use these is that
they could deploy many more lighter weapons for every one of
these things.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-64_Navaho
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: Caos Date: May 3, 2015, 1:44 am
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Many of these questions should be answered by your nation's
doctrine. I, for example, might use them for long range
precision strikes, terror bombing, or interdiction. Of course, I
might also NOT use them because of the cost, the size, and the
idea of using many smaller, and potentially more powerful or
accurate weaponry for each one of those I launch.
It's all preference. In my opinion, go for it. It's a good idea,
and it could be extremely useful.
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: Caos Date: May 7, 2015, 10:13 am
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Can I get this stickied?
Also, here's an observation I have:
If we have to conduct ourselves like we did in the other NCSA,
and firs develop nuclear power, nuclear enrichment, etc., before
we can get nuclear weaponry.... Then...
No one here has nuclear power yet, or has the ability to enrich
uranium. QED, no one has made depleted uranium, there are no
nuclear submarines or nuclear aircraft carriers, and certainly
no ballistic submarines or even cruise missile subs.
QED no DU APFSDS, or long range projection.
In other words...
I have successfully become the first modern nation! :D
Yay. DU APFSDS, and APDS! My tanks now are the strongest in
terms of armor and weapons, as they utilize DU. :D
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: david090366 Date: May 7, 2015, 1:09 pm
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Dang it Caos, I hadn't thought about that. I thought I thought I
could just rest on my laurels! Guess I better get to building a
nuclear station. Although I don't need subs or aircraft
carriers, n o place to launch them. But the DU shells for tanks
might come in handy. :P
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: Caos Date: May 7, 2015, 1:21 pm
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I worded it rather confrontationally, but yeah. :P
I was just confused because, why would I need to research
nuclear weapon... If I had a nuclear power aircraft carrier?
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: david090366 Date: May 7, 2015, 1:48 pm
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Although for tank armors you could use composite materials like
the British and Japanese have. ;)
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Re: The Military Realism Thread, MK-1: The dummy stage
By: Caos Date: May 7, 2015, 1:51 pm
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Well, I do. But I also use depleted uranium, depleted uranium
mesh and ceramic tiles, as well as a few other things for armor.
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