Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To   : Boraxman
From : Jimmy Anderson
Date : Sun May 11 2025 20:12:43

-=> Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

 Bo> Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
 Bo> idea, probably British.  See, *we* assume that. Because we are
 Bo> projecting our values system onto the rest of the world.  We believe
 Bo> there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
 Bo> us projecting our own *parochial* values. 

Yep - when we are the ones that are 'right,' it's easy to see that the
rest should follow along. :-)

 Bo>    See, this idea is us
 Bo> pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world!  So for the world to
 Bo> "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
 Bo> values at the expense of theirs. 

Or another set of values, that is not made known yet. 

 Bo>    Western arrogance just assumes the
 Bo> rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
 Bo> *our* path.  Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
 Bo> with some elements in Abrahamic religion.  Islam does have something
 Bo> like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't.
 Bo> Their values system doesn't work that way.

 If enough countries give up their soverign nature, though, it could
 still happen. If America stops being "America first," for example, we
 could easily shift to a European set of ideals, or Germanic, etc.

 Bo> Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this experiment will end
 Bo> in tears.  Its a vision that never really will exist outside of the
 Bo> Anglosphere, because its a specifically Anglosphere idea, with some of
 Bo> Europe kind of half heartedly following the lead.

 Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I believe
 it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist will
 be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
 a one world joining.

 Bo> In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to
 Bo> work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
 Bo> Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
 Bo> works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
 Bo> resentment and conflict).

Which means, as you say, ONE BELIEF system will have to trump the
others. Chritianity says Jesus is the ONLY way to God; Jews believe
He was a fake; Muslims have another way to God; people into spiritulism
believe something else; etc. 

ALL religions can come under one umbrella ONLY if they give up their 
own beliefs, which could very well be what eventually happens...


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