Subj : Re: race To : Gamgee From : jimmylogan Date : Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29 Fair enough. No hard feelings-I still believe respectful dialogue is worth having, even when we don't agree. Wishing you the best. -=> Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=- -=> jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=- -=> Gamgee wrote to jimmylogan <=- -=> jimmylogan wrote to Gamgee <=- ji> As for the 'one race' thing - we are ALL one "RACE" - there are ji> different ethnicities, but we are all human. I think there are ji> STILL a lot of people that miss that point... Ga> Not exactly correct. We are *NOT* all one race. We (humans) are all Ga> one *species*, but not all one *race*. Big difference. Ga> So, I think you are among those who have missed that point... ji> I hear you, and I appreciate the correction, but I think this comes ji> down to how we define race. Ga> Not really. There is a clear definition of what race is, and it's not Ga> open to your personal interpretation. It's biology/science, and Ga> factual. ji> Can you give me an example? I've read a lot of references on ji> this tonight, and the general consensus has changed over time. ji> Race is now broadly considered a social construct rather than ji> a biological one. ji> Have you looked into the "one drop" rule? The geographical ji> theory? Do you consider races to be subspecies? ji> Biologically, you are right: humans are all one species: Homo sapiens. ji> Scientifically, race is often considered a social construct with no ji> significant biological basis. The Human Genome Project confirmed we ji> are over 99.9% genetically identical across all so-called races. Ga> Again, "biology" *is* science. There aren't two definitions. Species Ga> is one thing, and race is another. You don't get to create your own Ga> definition. ji> You're right, I don't get to make up definitions. So whose do ji> we follow? Scientists today? Or scientists from the past? As ji> a wise man once said, science doesn't say anything - **scientists** ji> do. In other words, science is a process of gathering and interpreting ji> data. If it always delivered absolute facts, its conclusions ji> wouldn't change over time. ji> But my original point was more moral and spiritual: we are one ji> human race with different ethnicities, cultures, and appearances, ji> but all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). That is not ignoring ji> our differences but instead it recognizes our shared humanity. Ga> When discussing scientific / technical things (of any sort), it's Ga> important to use proper terminology to avoid misunderstandings. There Ga> is no such thing as the "human race". It really is that simple. There Ga> is the human species, which has multiple races. That's how science Ga> works. Words matter. ji> As for your point about "proper terminology," I agree that words ji> matter - which is why I checked a few sources. Here's how ji> **dictionary.com** defines things: ji> **Species** A group of related individuals that resemble one ji> another, breed among themselves, and are biologically distinct ji> from other such groups. Also: a group of persons related by ji> common descent or heredity. ji> **Race** Multiple definitions: ji> 1) A group of persons related by common descent or heredity. ji> 3a) *(no longer in technical use)* traditional divisions of humankind. ji> 3b) An arbitrary classification based on physical characteristics ji> (skin, eye shape, etc.). ji> 3c) A **socially constructed** category based on appearance, ji> ancestry, or shared culture. ji> 6) *The human race* - humankind. ji> So... while you might not like the phrase 'human race,' ji> it's still used, even in formal dictionaries, as a synonym ji> for humankind. It carries spiritual and moral weight, and yes, ji> it still exists in scientific and educational language as a ji> broad reference to all people. ji> If you're discussing gene flow or breeding populations, ji> sure - use precise taxonomy. But if you're talking about ji> our shared humanity and dignity, I still say 'one race - ji> the human race' fits just fine. Ga> You can still say whatever you want. It doesn't change the facts about Ga> what species and race are. When you write words that you claim are Ga> "quotes" from a site like dictionary.com, but in reality *paraphrase* Ga> what was there to suit your own needs, you become someone that I won't Ga> discuss the subject with any longer. Go back to school and actually Ga> learn something, and quit trying to be a "social warrior". Bye. Ga> ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever. Ga> --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52 Ga> = Synchronet = Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL .... SYSOP (sih' sawp) n. The guy laughing at your typing. --- MultiMail/Mac v0.52 þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com .