Subj : Re: Gay & Lesbian Conspiracy To : Lee Lofaso From : Bill McGarrity Date : Thu Aug 20 2015 22:35:00 -=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=- Hiya Lee... TR>>> Hypocrisy at it's finest. LL>>> An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They LL>>> have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference LL>>> between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda. LL>>> The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding, LL>>> or trying to hide? BM>> I have no agenda. LL>> Oh, come now. You don't really believe that, do you? LL>> Getting through the day is an agenda in and of itself. LL>> How you do it is up to you. For total invalids, it LL>> is up to others. But it is most definitely an agenda. BM> Why do you take my words out of context. LL> Nothing has been taken out of context. You made a LL> statement that I find patently false, as such a notion LL> is too absurd to be taken seriously. Not my monkeys... not my circus... BM> I stated I had no agenda towards Richardson, now you make it a lesson in BM> life. LL> You stated you have no agenda. Period. I find the notion LL> to be silly and absurd. And then you continue, stating a LL> well-known heresy as being your basic philosophy of life. BM> Play the game with Richardson.... LL> We are all heretics, of one kind or another. LL> You take issue with that, for whatever reason. BM>> What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue BM>with him being BM> gay if he was. I stated it was his BM>choice and his alone. LL>> What does it matter what the sexual orientation of LL>> an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant LL>> to the discussion at hand? Richardson made it relevant... that's what this entire conversation started with. BM>> His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his BM>> narrow-mindedness so he feels superior. I've coined it the BM>"Don BM> Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. BM>Good for what? LL>> Perhaps Don Quixote should have been tilting at millers LL>> rather than windmills? And what about his assistant, Sancho LL>> Panza? Would he have been better off staying behind? BM> A question we'll never know the answer to will we? LL> Some questions are never meant to be answered. LL> Other questions should never be asked at all. I see plenty of ? surronding your postings... heed your own advice? BM>> In that I believe each person should live their BM>life as they see fit BM> as long as it's not hurting BM>another? LL>> It is our nature to judge others. That is not a bad LL>> thing, but rather a good thing. By what standard should LL>> we judge others, and wish others to judge us? That is LL>> what we should be asking ourselves, not deluding ourselves LL>> with the false concept of pretending to be masters of our LL>> own fate. BM> I never said it was bad. As you stated, we all judge but the key at what BM> level do we take that judgement. Richardson has taken it to a level where BM> he's judge, jury and executioner... and personally speaking, not a very BM> good one but he has BM> that right. LL> Having the legal/constitutional right to do something (such LL> as freedom of speech) is a kind of right that we both agree on. LL> But that is not the same as the philosophy you stated, which LL> is something far different, and regarded as sinister by many - What? Where is gay marriage sinister? Stop being so damn philosophical and looking into the corner of your mind for insane things to sprout. LL> Cultural Relativism: A Misguided Movement Towards Pluralism LL> & Tolerance Cultural relativism, like moral relativism, pervades LL> today's world. As long as we don't "hurt" anyone, anything goes. LL> Absolute truth has been discarded along with God. We live in a LL> society of pluralism and tolerance. We reject the idea of universal LL> right and wrong. With a diminishing list of objective standards, LL> our legislative system is having a harder time defining the laws, LL> and our court system is having a harder time interpreting them. LL> In just a few decades, our entertainment industry has pushed LL> the "acceptance" of lewdness and indecency to levels we never LL> imagined. Our children are losing their moral compass and LL> lashing out in violence like never before. Our schools teach LL> that we are an accident of evolution. Our institutions teach LL> that we must accept all types of lifestyles or be deemed LL> "intolerant," or worse, "hate mongers." Relativism encourages LL> us to accept pornography in the media and fornication in our LL> colleges and universities. Many things that were deemed a LL> "sin" only a few years ago are now either accepted or promoted LL> in our culture. According to the relativists, all points of LL> view are true except for those that teach absolutes -- absolute LL> truth, absolute right or wrong, or an absolute God. LL> http://www.cultural-relativism.com/ Oh sheeesh... Please don't blame society for the lack of parenting. You speak of moral fiber in this country then ask yourself something, who are turning out to be the largest majority of corruption today. The Evangelical right have that sown up... both from the gay standpoint as well as pedophile view. Take the Duggar's for instance. I rest me case.. LL>> [from "The Return of Don Quixote", by G.K. Chesterton] BM> Why is it you always go off on a tangent with something you think is BM> important in a discussion? You, as well as Richardson, know exactly why I BM> used that reference. Try working up a discussion when talking ab out BM> Cervantes' version. LL> "Someday perhaps the story will be told of the adventures LL> of the new Don Quixote and the new Sancho Panza, as they LL> wandered about the winding roads of FidoNet [sic] ..." LL> [from "The Return of Don Quixote" by G.K. Chesterton] Hey, have at it. BM>> Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected. LL>> Since when? Allowing others to do as they please as long LL>> as they do not harm others? People harm others all the time, LL>> in various ways. And it is all legal, fully protected by LL>> the law. We even sanction murder, in our name, calling it LL>> "justice", and pay a doctor who has sworn to "do no harm" LL>> to inject the victim with a deadly poison ... BM> The right to be gay and the right to same sex marriage? Why should you LL> ask BM> such a question? LL> Existing state laws against sodomy/homosexuality have been LL> deemed unconstitutional by the USSC. The only thing that LL> remains off limits now is bestiality. And apparently group LL> marriages. But give the USSC time. Even the most taboo LL> of taboos will no longer be taboo ... Oh I'm sure one of the guys out on the bayou handed his beer to someone and said *Hey.. watch this...* as he tried to get a blowjob off a gator. Reality... what a concept.. (R.Williams) BM> With regard to your statement, It takes a nominal effort on one's part to BM> understand if it is indeed harmful to another. Laws have been structured LL> to BM> help allieviate this burden on society. LL> There are "unjust" laws that should never be honored or LL> respected by anyone. Let's say marijuana is a banned LL> substance. If an individual depended on the use of MJ LL> in order to maintain a quality standard of life, would LL> you blame that individual for breaking the law? Would LL> you provide MJ to that individual if requested, even if LL> it meant breaking the law? Don't blame the person for antiquated laws. Lee, it's all a $$ thing. Look at industrial hemp. Why is that not legal? Oooohhhh wait... Corporate Amerika. LL> Is it a criminal act for a homeless person to steal LL> a loaf of bread? Should that individual be locked up, LL> his/her only real crime being the want to survive? I'm sure the proprietor, if a decent human being, would see the circumstances and adjust the circumstances. That's the problem today... we've turned into a society of ME ME ME assholes. BM> With regard to your "injection", I agree, there should be no capitol BM> punishment. Why should anyone be put in that situation where they must BM> live with the fact they MAY have killed another human being. LL> St. Thomas Aquinas, a doctor of the RCC, said it was LL> okay to execute people, as some people deserved to die. LL> But that was before man had developed the technology LL> to keep those vicious creatures properly fed, clothed, LL> housed, and locked up. We all make mistakes... LL> Besides, I have a better idea as to what to do with LL> such people. Rather than locking them up for the rest LL> of their natural lives, send them to the Moon, or to LL> Mars, and allow them to build a habitat for those who LL> want to relocate from a place that is getting much LL> too hot to handle? How about we rehibilate them the proper way rather than caging them like animals expecting them to do thir time and come out like sweet little angels. How about those who were jailed for victimless crimes be set free? Why you ask... $$$$$!! Almost 2.3 million people are incarcerated in the US. Are you going to pay for their one-way ticket? Did't think so. -- Bill Telnet: tequilamockingbirdonline.net Web: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net FTP: ftp.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:2121 IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697 Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live .... Look Twice... Save a Life!!! 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