Subj : Re: Forget a hosepipe ban
To   : MIKE POWELL
From : Rob Mccart
Date : Mon Aug 25 2025 07:42:25

RM>> Another part was about how any scientists who didn't say exactly
  >> what the Gov't wanted them to say lost their jobs and/or funding.

MP>This happens now and is a problem.  IMHO, things like this help fuel the
  >anti-science conspiracty theorists.  People like to point to them like they
  >are just stupid but, unfortunately, there are often real events that help
  >fuel their fears.

Yes, most people tend to have some idea of what they expect/want the
science to say, and tend to ignore anything that contradicts that idea.

I know one person who absolutely ignores the news programs, saying
that they are totally controlled by the gov't, and that all the
gov'ts in the world are all controlled by about 6 super wealthy
people who control the information that makes the news in a way
that makes them more money.

I'm sure that is a ridiculous exaggeration of the world reality but
there is some minor truth to news stories being chosen or slanted
to report what high powered people want them to say. And in recent
years you'll find that the same news stories, word for word, are
repeated on dozens of news networks since they are all owned by
one huge media corp. News anchors have lost their jobs for adding
their own opinions on the stories they report. You must read the
script but you can't change it or add to it..

RM>> Yes, there have been forest fires as long as there have been forests,
  >> long before people, and a good sized volcanic eruption can add a
  >> huge amount of carbon to the atmosphere as well.

MP>Those that want it to be "us" cannot stand the idea that nature might also
  >be causing some of the issues, just as much as those who want it to be
  >"nature" cannot stand the idea that we might also be a cause.

Yes, and most likely the truth is in the middle somewhere.
Nature is likely strongly at work here, but we could be speeding
up the time line somewhat. But I'm sure it's misleading to suggest
that we can stop Climate Change by changing the type of car we drive.

The reality of it is that nature has all the time in the world and
it tends to move slowly so, if the current change is anything like
the last one, maybe we are speeding up things by 50 or 75 years
but it is coming regardless and the last time it lasted for 3000
years, so changing your habits to benefit your grand children may
not be a reality and, again, that slow part, if we totally stopped
creating carbon, it would probably take 100 years to even start to
see any difference, if it actually made any, that assuming that it's
all our fault.

That said, anything that cuts down on pollution is a good thing
which may bring more of us better health even if it doesn't do
much to affect Climate Change.

Years ago I saw a study where environmental scientists looked at
what number of people the whole world could support at a level
where nature would totally be unharmed by humans, a number that
could survive easily and do no damage.

The number they came up with was about 50 million people, so
maybe what we need to fix things is better birth control..   B)

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