Subj : Al K. Haul To : Dave Drum From : Ruth Haffly Date : Mon Jun 30 2025 13:48:04 Hi Dave, RH> A few years ago we started trying small amounts of it in cooking. Still RH> don't drink it tho. DD> Which brings us back to the original reason for fermentation, eTc. As DD> a food preservation method from back in the pre-refrigeration days. RH> Same with a number of things we don't do these days. When was the last RH> time you buried a ham in a barrel of salt to cure it? Most likely, RH> never, but that was common at one time. DD> Never salt cured anything - except ice. Bv))= ButI did help hang DD> hams and pork bellies (to make bacon) in the smoke house and stoked DD> the smoke generating stove. Used to be, just a wood fire was kept smouldering for smoking. All in all, Steve likes the "convenience" of the smoker he has as he can usually do a project in a day or less. Cheese only takes a couple of hours but has to be done when the outside temps are under 70 degrees F. DD> But your usage pretty much mirrors mine these days. I use it DD> culinarily, not recreationally. RH> You probably use it more than we do. We can go months without using it, RH> then I'll do something that calls for it a couple of times, then not RH> again for more months. Shrimp scampi is enhanced by a splash of white RH> wine a couple of minutes before turning off the heat & serving it over RH> pasta. DD> Actually it's been a couple years since I've used anything alcoholic DD> as an ingredient. I still have two of the 187mL bottles I bought from DD> Walgreens when I stocked this kitchen 10 years ago. One red and one DD> white. We buy the maybe quarter liter boxes, a red and a white, from Publix, but yes, have bought more than one each since moving in here back in December, 2014. Don't remember if we used it in the rental house or not. We did try the gin and raisin "cure" for arthritis but it didn't do a thing for either one of us. DD> My friend, Lee, makes wine as a hobby - much like our late friend DD> Burton Ford. Lee presents all in his monthly group with a bttle(750 DD> mL) of some very nicely done grape juice. I re-gift it to someone who DD> will enjoys it. We've regifted bottles several times. Our Legion Auxilary has a white elephant gift exchange as part of our holiday party; when I first joined, a lot of bottles of wine were swapped. I never got one and over the years as membership changed, the bottles disappeared. DD> Without getting off into an off-topic discussion of religion - wine is DD> and has been an integral part of Western religion since before the DD> late, great J. C. RH> Definatly. IIRC, the southwestern native Americans fermented cactus RH> juice. DD> Agave cactus is the basis for tequila. DD> And many of the old, traditional wineries/distilleries began in and in DD> many cases are owned/operated by various religious orders. RH> Which goes against some orders of poverty. DD> But they weasel their way around it with fancy bookkeeping - just like DD> politicians. You do know that politics was invented/refined in the DD> Roman church, don't you? Bv)= Want to buy an indulgence? It'll save you from saying a few hundred "Hail Marys"--yes, I know. --- Catch you later, Ruth rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28 .... Matthew 7:20 | Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. --- PPoint 3.01 * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28) .