Subj : More Abortion Atrocit To : BOB KLAHN From : TIM RICHARDSON Date : Wed May 29 2013 08:52:00 On 05-26-13, BOB KLAHN said to JEFF BINKLEY: BK>... BM>>So, again with all respect, you're still expecting all those services BM>>to be provided to you without paying the government? Is that BM>>correct? JB> By the left using words like "entitlements" they promote a BK>It is the right that came up with the term "entitlements" just to promote BK>the idea that the people receiving services have not and will never BK>contribute anything. You know...your particular brand of sophistry isn't even a clever or persuasive one. Its like a sledge hammer. There's no eloquence or even a feel of being `almost' right to it. Nothing but a heavy-handed THUD! Like a union goon shouting down someone who's trying to point out that the company doesn't make enough of a profit to pay wages that lets a worker afford a cadillac every two years. They're gonna have to make do with an Olds or a Chevy instead. And, having taken part in Fido for the last 15 or so years, its interesting that you (of all people) would include in your sophistic accusation the words `...the idea that the people recieving services have not and will never contribute anything'. Sort of makes one wonder where you've been the last 15 years. That you are completely unacquainted with mssr's Sauer and Chirnside. THEY recieve services and funds...and THEY cntribute nothing and never will. Chirnside alone may have had a period of employment that went longer than ten years. But Sauer didn't. In fact, there's nothing to show that, except the two short months he was in the Air Force, and did a whole slew of things (HE claims) that almost couldn't be accomplished in less than at least a year or more by ordinary people, that Sauer ever contributed one single thing to his own support since his discharge. BK>Used to be just welfare, as part of their crusade to abolish all supports, BK>including unemployment insurance. Of course many on welfare had BK>contributed, and fell out of the system. Most on welfare, somewhere around BK>90%, got off on their own before welfare "reform" in the mid '90s. All but BK>the most extremely handicapped could and would get off welfare if we had a BK>true full employment economy. However, I would bet you would oppose any BK>attempt to develop such an economy. Nonsense. We've been TRYING to have a `full employment' economy since I've been alive! It is government itself that suppresses such an economy with confiscatory taxes, repressive regulations, unnecessary restrictions. About fifty years ago an oil company could build a refinery and have it fully operational in around 2 years. Today....even if they can get *permission* to build one...it takes so long to get site, design, and capacity approved by an agency that is a complete law unto itself with no Congressional control whatever, that the energy crisis it was proposed and designed to deal with has long since done its damage and we are now at a completely new energy logger- head, and the refinery that was previously necessary not only isn't even built yet, but won't be large enough to handle the new energy crisis anyway! JB> culture where many folks who pay nothing to the government JB> expect many services well beyond things like roads, defense JB> etc. It seems like the government is promoting the JB> culture that you are asking about. BK>Like, social security, medicare, public schools, job training? Yes, all BK>those are entitlements by republican think. `Republican think'? `Social Security' (democrat), `medicare' (democrat) `public school' date so far back it cannot even have democrat or republican connotations to it! In fact the first `public school' in America was established by Puritans back in 1635 in the home of a person named Pormont, and there were neither `democrats' NOR `republicans' as yet! BK>Anyone who spends a dime in this country pays money to the government. And yet the government continually seeks more and more. And in return we seem to get less and less of any importance, and more and more of frivolous spending by that government. BK>Since I believe in universal military service and full employment, under BK>my belief system everyone will contribute. Fortunately for the rest of us...YOU aren't in charge. Or we'd probably have a whole lot less than we have now, which is little enough. --- *Durango b301 #PE* * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140) .