Subj : Clandestine activity is a holy cow of democracy To : ALEXANDER KORYAGIN From : BOB KLAHN Date : Fri Aug 23 2013 01:48:26 AK> AK>>> when in 1993 Eltsin in Russia had given an order to such people to AK>>> shell the Russian Parlament from tanks, point blank. He defeated AK>>> the parliamentarians, but spilt blood and had known its taste. AK>>> Literally in a year he started the far more bloody war in AK>>> Chechnya, because he thought that solving problem by brutal force AK>>> is a good and effective way to gain his aims. BK>> And where is he now? You remember him, but who is he to the rest of BK>> the world? AK> He died in peace, not on the yard-arm. And recently a AK> statue of him was erected by the local authority in his AK> native town. Any dictatorship has faithful followers. Ok, we know him as Yeltsin. Didn't know who you were talking about. ... BK>> That is true, but the people must be the ones to resist the BK>> underground tyrants. AK> Well, it depends on the damage and money losses. For AK> instance, if you have cockroaches underfloor you AK> probably should make it cleaner in your room, rather AK> than installing surveillance cameras underfloor and AK> killing cockroaches with a gun or robotic rats. Oh, I am speaking of the underground tyrants who are not committing violence. The violent ones need to be dealt with by the police. ... AK>>> Millions of Arabs who lived in Palestine were even not consulted AK>>> when some people in Europe decided their future. BK>> Pretty much all of the Middle East was divided up that way. Ask BK>> yourself, why were a Sunni minority ruling in Iraq? Why were a Shia BK>> offshoot minority ruling Syria? Could it be the European rulers BK>> felt keeping the government seperate from the people would create BK>> client state who would become dependent on them? AK> The UN, before all, had NOT to follow bad exapmles. When AK> the UN was going to resettle all Jews in Palestine it AK> had to understand that there were many millions of Arabs AK> living there and removing them from their lands was an AK> illegal act itself. A lot of work had to be done to work AK> out a compromise for both sides. Hurry is crime in this AK> situation. Yes, but even the UN was ruled by politics. AK> It was impossible to suppose that millions of AK> Palestinians would be happy with the decision and no AK> tensions would arise. The process had to be under the UN AK> control, from the beginning. The UN had to maintain the AK> order and preserve as much justice as was possible. By And that would take an active force, which had to get past the Security Council, with the permanent members ready to veto anything againt their interests. AK> letting things developed by themselves the UN itself AK> created a war situation that has lasted already for 60 AK> years and there are still no signs of peace. True. Actually, 65. Israel was born the year I was. AK> Well, for instance, Gypsy some thousand years ago lived AK> in India and were expelled, like Jews. Let the UN decide AK> them to settle in some area of India. Will be a new war AK> there? Of course it will. Such decisions must me taken AK> very carefully and with great responsibility. The UN AK> still doesn't think that the current crazy situation in AK> Palestine is actually the product of UN's hands. The UN doesn't think anything, it has a hundred some odd heads, each with it's own agenda. ... AK>>> In the East there is no more shame than to betray their guest. AK>>> Only a poor politician could imagine that the Taliban would catch AK>>> Bin Laden so to give him out to the US, the main ally of Israel, a AK>>> far more big criminal (as all the countries in the Middle East AK>>> think). BK>> If you guest commits murder you are responsible to turn him over. I BK>> doubt even in Afghanistan can you harbor a murderer, esp if he BK>> commits murder while your guest. AK> Customs are different around the world. That's more than custom, that's law. Like I said, I doubt even Afghan custom requires they protect a murderer. AK>>> Besides, it was an unrealistic task to catch a small group of AK>>> people in the immense mountains of Afghanistan. The Taliban could AK>>> not catch Bin Laden even if they wished to do it, as Karzay. BK>> The US forces could have caught Bin Laden if Bush hadn't pulled out BK>> so many of them. The Taliban could have caught him if they wanted BK>> to. Don't over estimate the difficulty, even there it's not BK>> difficult with the right people. AK> In eyes of the Taliban Bin Laden was not a bigger AK> criminal than Israel. According to this position, if the Which is irrelevant to 9-11. I doubt the Taliban cared much about Israel or the Palestinians. The Taliban, like the Wahabi, hate other Muslims more than they hate Christians or Jews. AK> US allows Israel to commit crimes (it's a usual way of AK> thinking in the M. East), why the Taliban should to ran AK> for Bin-Laden? IMHO, quite a logical position. Not logical when it gets you overthrown. ... AK>>> Terrorism is not a correct word. At present time this word became AK>>> misused very much. And in many places it helps freedom oppression. BK>> They terrorized the people, but that's not terror under current BK>> usage. Funny that. AK> There have been a lot of wars on Earth, but we don't AK> call their participants terrorists. Even if they hold a AK> military operation with the name "Terror in desert." ;=) War against the other sides military is not called terrorism, not even by the US National Counter Terrorism Center. The attack must be against the innocent. BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn .... 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