Subj : Clandestine activity is a holy cow of democracy To : ALEXANDER KORYAGIN From : BOB KLAHN Date : Fri Aug 23 2013 01:54:00 AK> AK>>> Taliban was created by the US as a weapon against the USSR, as AK>>> well as Bin Laden, who was, one time, a BK>> Not the Taliban, more Bin Laden's friends. The Taliban started with BK>> an Afghan Cleric outraged at the corruption of the warlords. His BK>> group would have been OK if they had brought and end to the BK>> oppression of the warlords, but instead he changed one oppressor BK>> for another. AK> The Taliban movement traces its origin to the AK> Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, AK> during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. So, The Taliban is Oh yes, the fighters of the Taliban. Also the Taliban was supported by the Wahhabi religious groups such as Bin Laden, even, perhaps, part of that alignment. AK> just a political personification of this movement after AK> the war with the USSR and falling Najibullah's AK> government. Ok, that I do agree with. ... AK>>> It is not correct, by a simple reason - Saddam had never refused AK>>> to sell Iraqi oil for the US. Vice versa - on BK>> The US did not invade to get the oil, but to control the oil. A BK>> group called the Project For A New American Century wanted to take BK>> the oil and use it to break the Saudi control of OPEC. Big oil BK>> wanted control of the oil also, but not to break Saudi control. Big BK>> Oil had more power. AK> So what was in the result of the war? Does the US AK> control Iraqi oil now? Nope. You gotta win the war to get what you want. AK> AK>>> You said, you don't have a special police force in the US which is AK>>> trained to disperse people's rallies? I saw BK>> Not Military. AK>>> myself how violently were dispersed the people from "Occupy Wall AK>>> street" movement. BK>> Those were local police, not military. AK> Do you think there is a big difference who disperse AK> people's rallies? In general, all the forces that Yes. The local police in one place can be quite different from another place. We had our own small Occupy movement here, the police did not bother them. AK> participate in it are the state armed forces, they carry AK> out orders and they have no right to discuss the orders AK> they get. If the police special forces need help the AK> military will get involved. In this country that requires special circumstances. The local police cannot call in the military, not even the State National Guard or reserves. The governor has to call in the State troops, and the president has to declare a national emergency to send in federal troops. That would lead to even more protestors taking to the streets. AK> In general, the coup in Egypt shows us what can happen AK> when the military and the police are out of public AK> control and replace democracy. That is certainly true. It also shows what happens when you mix religion and government. BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn .... (A)bort (R)etry (T)ake an ax to it? --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg] * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140) .