Subj : Democracy Explained to Kids To : LEE LOFASO From : BOB KLAHN Date : Sat Sep 28 2013 01:40:26 ... BK>>The point of affirmative action is to insure success is BK>>distributed regardless of race. Only those who oppose AA must BK>>believe there is no racial compenent to poverty. LL> The point of affirmative action is to discriminate in favor LL> of minorities - in most cases meaning blacks. Once equality You really are not familar with the history of affirmative action, are you. Some years back I found one of the annual almanacs, don't recall which but one of the top ones, had regular analysis of affirmative action. They found that 90% of the benefits of affirmative action went to whites. LL> has been reached, affirmative action programs are no longer LL> needed and should be dismantled. However, once inequalities LL> re-emerge, affirmative action programs should be put back LL> in place. This on again/off again approach is the only way LL> affirmative action programs can work in a truly fair manner. Since Equality has not been reached, that's not relevant, yet. ... BK>>Which is true. We need affirmative action for all the poor in BK>>America. LL> Bob Dole said much the same thing, but wanted to change it LL> from being a race-based program to being an economic-based Which would mean, in the real world, focusing on white poor first. ... LL>>> Black folks are more discriminatory of their own than any LL>>> other race. There are dark-skinned blacks, light-skinned LL>>> blacks, blacks who pass for white ... BK>>When you are reduced to survival level your competitors are not BK>>those well off, but those like you scrambling to survive. LL> Let's see how well those who are presently on disability LL> (SSDI) manage to survive when their checks are cut by 20 LL> percent in 2016. Let's see how those on disability manage LL> to survive when conservative Republicans undo at least some LL> of Ronald Reagan's 1984 reform that expanded the kinds of LL> disabilities covered. Yes, they worship the name of Reagan, but his actual policies are anathema. LL> Do you think the Congress will do anything to save the SSDI LL> trust program? By doing nothing, the cuts take effect Not if the Tea Party can stop them. LL> automatically. What will happen is Republican lawmakers LL> will say something along the lines of "Let's compromise" to LL> the Democrats, and then refuse to go along with anything LL> the Democrats propose. To obstruct, by any means LL> necessary, resulting in getting exactly what they want, LL> while blaming Obama at the same time. Well, yeah, but that's their SOP. LL> After gutting the SSDI program, Republican lawmakers will LL> move on to gutting the Social Security program for retirees LL> age 65 and over. Won't that be grand? Gutting SSDI will cause so much trouble, and even trying to end Social Security, the republicans will lose all the control they have now. ... LL> let's keep SSI and medicaid, as funding for those programs ... LL> Imagine that. Folks who never worked a day in their life LL> are better off than folks who worked their butts off their LL> entire lives. An awful lot of those on SSI and Medicaid have worked, and Medicaid is 2/3rds the handicapped and elderly, last I checked. ... LL> seems to me that most folks would prefer having a bit of LL> free time after having worked for sixty or seventy fucking LL> years. Trust me, you are right. Though is just seems to me like a long string of days off, or a very long vacation. BK>>When I was young they could tell us, if we succeeded in school BK>>we would have jobs. Now they tell kids, if they succeed in BK>>school it's less likely they will be the ones without jobs, BK>>someone else will be. Not much of a guarantee. LL> Social Security used to be a guarantee. Not any more. LL> Pensions used to be a guarantee. Not any more. Social security will survive, unless the republicans get so much power they can eliminate it quickly enough so the resistance can not get organized. ... BM>>> LOL.... irony as it's best... vote for the man who doesn't give a BM>>> rat's ass about you. LL>>> You have to remember - we boil our crawfish LIVE. :) BK>>Hmmm... that seems a bit... disturbing... LL> Not for the crawfish. They wave their little claws out the LL> water and stare at us with those beady little eyes ... Thinking how they would like to reverse the positions? BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn .... Wreck the Malls with Cows on Harleys (moomoomoomoomoooo moomoomoomoo). --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg] * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140) .