Subj : Re: Terms of Endearment
To   : JOE MACKEY
From : George Pope
Date : Wed Dec 15 2021 13:30:12

 >   CP wrote --
 >  
 > > What did your parents(each) call each other when you were a child?
 > > What decade, &b how old were they? 

 >   Good question, wish I had a good answer.
 >   I honestly don't recall.  I imagine things like dear, honey, etc.
 >   This was in the '50s.

They wewre ensconced in [popular tv sitcoms. . . & have become the default
terms we all picture as being of the era. Just gotta watch any "Leave it to
Beaver" rerun. I'm waiting for the reboot of it.

 >   I always called my mother "mother".  Well, except for one time when I was
 > around 11 and called her by her name, Hilda.  Quickly learned to not do that
 > again.  :)

Oh, yes, that hadn't changed by the time I was 11 in '78.

I was a full-of-**** teen, run away, & needed some thiung from the parents for
a legal request. I phoned; my mom answered & I said, "Hello, Mrs. Pope, may I
speak to Mr. Pope, please?"; the phone dropped (swinging from the built-in
jack) & a few minutes later my dad came on, MAD, "WHAT THE HELL DID YOU JUST
SAY TO YOUR MOTHER TO MAKE HER CRY?"

I think I repeated it & the call abruptly ended without my having stated my
purpose.

From then on, all negotiatopns were done differently, by my dad -- no more deep
& quiet patience; now he pushged for some sort of conclusion to everything.  He
repeated, not quite as adamantly as before that I always have a home & there's
no reason for me to be placed by the Ministry of Child Services, as I have a
perfectly good home already.

Now I really weas afraid to move back in! (some thing in his look told me a
rightful(I knew this, as I was raised t know the difference) reckoning for
hurting his wife was coming)

I was 17 by then, so it was now all pro forma, as on my 19th birthday all could
legally wash their hands of this troublemaking punk. (So glad I've outgrown
that phase! It was bad!)

 >   My father was "Doc".  He was a GP and what everyone called him, including
 > family members.  My mother called him that when referring to him by name.

Cool! Big city or small town?

 >   When talking to me and referring to the other it was Mother and Father,
 > "ask your Mother/Father..."

Identical to my own experience from parents raised in the same era.

 >   My brother was always Charles, through his friends called him Mack, short
 > for Mackey.

Never Charlie or Chuck?

Try ythis one on people:

Ask, "Is Charlie short for Charles?"

(you can then note the # of letters in each)

 >   My sister Mary was always called Sissy, even by her friends.

Cute. Didn't know that happened outside of literature.

 >   But heaven help you if you where called by all three names!  "William
 > Joseph Mackey, you come here right now!"  Or my brother (12 years older than
 > I from mother first marriage): "Charles Wiley Fontaine Mackey, come here!"
 >   My sister, from my fathers first marriage, but only 10 years younger than
 > my mother.

This wasn't really a thing for my mom.  Maybe once, likely trying it on for
size, but normally our first name was used (George, Greg, or Betty didn't leave
room for confusion)

My sister was born Elisabeth (with the S so she couldn't be easily nicknamed
Lizard) but we all called her Betty, til about age 8(hers) when she pointed out
that her name was ELISABETH. (foot stomp implied)

Through high school she evolved to Liz, where she is now & also part of the
name of her accounting business.

I think I'd've gone more for "Lizard's Breath" than just "Lizard" (with love,
of course!)

I got all my sibling rivalry needs out with my brother & doted on my baby
sister! (by 6 years)

My brother I called all the vulgar names my peer set called each other, but
more unkindly intended. . . & he called me likewise, if out of whacking
distance. . .

It took he & I 20 years(mostly estranged) to become brothers who could be in
the same room together, but we'd missed too many younger years to have
nicknames, so just called each other by bname, when needed.

He lived with me for about a year when between vocations, before flying over to
Seoul to teach English conversation. (missed 9/11, & the global airports
shutdown, by only 1 day!)

I have no firm opinion on 9/11; just still wondering how it was that in a fire
so hot it burned the indestructible 'black box' to ashes, there survived to be
found the same day, at Ground Zero, exactly two cardboard/paper passports, both
conveniently of those two hijackers.

Also, why did the CNN live reporter, reading the teleprompter, say, "& from the
west comes another airplane, aiming for the towers. . . it hit Tower 7, Tower 7
is engulfed in flames (all timed to this happening, even though no plane hit
Tower 7, as it had been shot down over Ohio by the USAF, after the Pentagon had
been hit & they became aware of the ruse of using commercial liners as weapons
& this 3rd plane heading for the Twin Towers wasn't responding properly to USAF
radio queries.

No firm opinion, as data still lacking, but definitely questions that arise
from the facts.

No corroboration on another fat rumour, that the pilots were filmed basking on
a Cuban beach a week after 9/11. (yes, those were the 2 identified as the
pilots of the first 2 Twin Tower jets, but no firm date identification for the
video. so I'll keep it in the "rumour" file for now. . . 

Conclusion: a very crappy day for the passengers of all jets that were
hiujacked (1 Pentagon & 3 for the Towers) & a cvrappy life for the families of
them all, including those working in the Twin Towers that disastrous morning.

The stunts pulled off by the extreme right (including utter renmoval of
personal rights with the Patriot Act) could be logged as opportunistic post-
9/11, not necessarily as evidence of motive for the event.

I'm leaning towards that, as this would entail a far larger conspiracy than
JFK, & I know you can't keep that many people silent on a giant secret
involving thousands of dead Americans.

Tghe JFK event involved 2 deaths. & could possibly have all conspirators vested
in keeping the secrets out of self interest.  Can't see that for the 9/11
event.

I hope this is far enough back that it's not "current politics" & is more
looking back. . . (I won't say with 'nostalgia,' but definitely as a memory)

Your friend,

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Cyberpope, Bishop of ROM
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