Subj : Love and marriage To : Joe Mackey From : George Pope Date : Sun Feb 13 2022 13:05:30 > CP wrote -- >> > Then there the women who marry a man to have a kid, then dumps the man and > wants alimony to support them. Or the man merely as a sperm donor. >> >> Thank you, Murphy Brown for putting this into everyone's minds as an option. > . > Plus the government that pays women for each kid they pump out, so no > need for a father in a house. > So boys have no (or few) males as role models. Or the wrong ones. Oh, & don't we see the results of this, in rising crime statistics. . . :( I spent one summer working with inner city kids -- & such HELL they went through -- boys & girls -- pretty much none had a dad they knew. Sickening what their moms did (for 'survival'?) like having johns come to her ghome & even pay her to force the child(ren) to watch as he defiles their mother, sometimes abusively. One 7-year-old, an annual top troublemaker at that day camp, per ongoing staff, had a look in his eyes as I imafgine the returning VietNam vets did (No! Do NOT dare tell me about Hell. I ****ing KNOW!" I had no special skills, but my heart broke for him, as I knew this attitude wasn't part of the plan at his creation/birth. I prayed, daily, for him & the others, over the 6 weeks, I noticed big changes in him. I also had to take on the role of male authority once, on a day trip, when I & he were left in the van while the others did an esdcational walkabout that I couldn't & he wouldn't do. He tried to sneak out (to run off who knows where) & I just gave him my best "Dad Voice"(I was 17; had no idea I had one.) & said, "Turn around, go back to your seat & sit down NOW." He stopped trying to open the door, turned to me meekly, said, "Yes, sir," in a most subdued tone, & sat quietly until they all returned. Leadimng me to theorize that the two-parent model is a hardwired expectation in us at birth. Will take research by those in the psychology education fields to proof it. > At one time single mothers (and I don't include widows in that) were >looked down upon, but in the last 60-70 years its more and more acceptable and > seems odd if its not that way. True. But most still could recognize when such a widow (especially a young one) was honestly struggling in a positive direction, & respected her more for it. >> I go by those who have an unbroken chain of interpretation -- the People of > the Book (Jewishj practicers of Judaism) > I go by context. > What was being presented before and after whatever text. IOW not picking > and choosing to prove or disprove some point or other. This, too -- my context is the entire set of books gathered together as a sub- theme or time, & the entire Bible, too. But this is, I admit, more about human decisions as to what was God-inspired specific to their homiletic interests. I read & I trey to understabnd explicitly what the original writer/speaker was intending as meaning, & what the original target audience most commonly would have understood the meaning & contexct to be. Only then am I free to compare to my current milieu of time & culture. I do much the same in reading Aesop or other long-known/read writings. Paul says at one pint & I believe it: (I'll paraphrase to how I understand it): "All written things that are written with serious & honest intent, & rewritten several times to capture exactly the author's well-considered thinking are inspired by God/Creation & useful for the honest believer to use for personal reflection & growth, as well as useful to help educate others per the same. for comparisoin, here's the original in thefamiliar to most KJV: 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. The original Greek word "omni scripturo" is not capitalised nor in any way implying a specific subset of "all things-written"; "things-written" in that time did not include pulp fiction, FB commenting, nor protest placards. It was as I expanded in my test above. Carefully considered multiple times & ways, before setting pen to expensive paper, or lambskin. >> For me, it says what it says & the Bible means what it means. Certainly you > can apply the parts that are uiniversal to any time or circumstance, as it's > intended. > Concur. & that covers religion in a nutshell, without breaching the intent of the no religion rule in here, eh? I even accept the Satanic Bible under "omni scriptura" but one, as with anything, must read it carefully, in context, & determine using common sense & knowledge of times & cultures that are applicable to the specific reading. Those who do this have decided, as a sect of "Satanic Church members" that the concept of Satan is more about making personal choices, commensurate with responsibilities & an awarenessd of natural & human consequences. Others, who read only the surface, conclude it's a Bible promoting evil & killing black cats at midnight. I've yet to see/read a copy, but I expect I'd lean more to the former's interprtations. I'm in no hurry or need to read it at all, actually. I have more interesting & relevant books to read that I can accept as included in the "omni scriptura" that Paul told young Timothy of. What I find most interesting in the Timothy letters(epistles) is Paul telling him not to be chasrtened by others' view of his youbg age (i.e. good thinking & teaching isn't restricted to "the elders" but to present your ideas respectful of their(elders') established culture & expectations regarding a young lad speaking on matters of political &/or e=religious import. This aspect is often missed who only use the books of Timothy to teach that there's Biblical precedent for calling a non-parent "father" as a title of respect. I see it differently, but I get where they're coming from, 'though I will only refer to them as "sir" out of respect for age & education; "father" is reserved for my biological & heaqvenly fathers (both connected by the 5th commandment) Oops. . too much? Sorry -- I get thoughts & I just riff with them even as they pull up semi-related ones. . . (my mind isn't pure linear; I've been told,. complimentarily, that I think like a woman.) --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5 * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757) .