Subj : Re: Slimmed down Debian To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Wed Jun 24 2020 21:12:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > > > KM> These durn two-legged stools.... > > > I wonder if that's why it was so cheap?! > > KM> 30% off!! > > If a three-legged stool closer to one-third! > KM> I left a stump, in case it falls over. :) > That should supply some stability! ...Just might not be too convenient > to lug around. No worries, I'll just cut the other legs to match.... ....why am I sitting on the ground?? > OK. Right now a bigger project shoved its way to the front of the line: > the new router with the fiber optic ISP changed the LAN to a different How fast is fiber, really? Test here: https://testmy.net/ You can either make an account or not; it will remember you without an account for several months, which is handy for comparing. Mine is embarrassing... > IP address set. Changing over (most of) the computers is no big deal; > on the one I record the TV shows on the database is still being told to > look at the old IP. Was given some tests over the weekend, did find the > (hopefully not 'a') value that's reporting the old value, so hopefully > get an answer this morning on how to fix. (Not sure if I found a bug or > just something not set up right here originally.) I don't have a fixed IP address, and all the PCs take their IPs from the router, so no worries there. 192.168.0.1, 192.168.02, ... Windows 10 now comes with some Amazon server foisted upon you, that will show up as a name in your router but you can't see otherwise. Not sure what that's supposed to be for... noticed the name changed when Fireball's experimental install updated itself. (Rude bugger, hogs the entire connection.) > > > KM> Sound policy! > > > alsa or Pulseaudio?! > > KM> Whichever one doesn't crash! > > Ummm, both do with the cymbals sounds. ...Yeah: weak joke. > KM> My Windows exit sound used to be breaking glass... WAV file came > KM> with WordPerfect6 for DOS! > That would be a better BSOD alert! Oh, for general errors I had "No no no yer doin' it all wrong!" But Argo would never dream of doing a BSOD. Argo was 100% well-behaved Win95. :) (Argo also had RedHat6, which was awful.) > > have to dig down into hard-to-find manuals. > KM> Woah, that's specific!! > It was!! I think maybe they (DEC) put it out there in the open to > emphasize the two CPUs: "the DEC Rainbow 100 has two CPUs for faster > processing" vs. "the DEC Rainbow 100 has two processors. The Z80 > controls while the 8088 does ." Same > information, and I'm not sure how much the user cares which processor > does what as long as it's faster. Huh. Didn't know it had two. That was right fancy for its day. Appears it was sort of a combo CMOS and math coprocessor. > KM> rivet into the spots. Really good case otherwise, but lordy, > KM> gamers and their desire to show off their guts... > Look! The fans are spinning really-really fast! I've got And the colored LEDs are blinking a lot!! > one, maybe two cases with a see-through panel. (Obviously that's how > impressed I am with the option!) Remember when buying the one case > liking everything about the case except that see-through panel. Kept > looking, if I liked the case not enough slots or something else; enough > slots and case was ugly or expensive. Finally got the case with the That's why I like these old RaidMax cases, and hoard every one I see: plain but not ugly, ten drive bays, and while cheaply made, nothing is really *badly* made. Strong enough to use for a ladder, too. (And they come new with enough screws for 3 PCs.) And I've never sliced myself open on one, unlike one particular AT case that was otherwise much better-designed than most, but lordy the razor blade edges on all the sheet metal... and it was the same on every one of that model I ever saw. Which was how the ones I worked inside came to have electrical tape on all the exposed edges. (In fact I still have one in the basement, sitting empty.) > clear panel. With one placement the open side was against the side of > the desk so didn't show other than a red glow (side panel also had a fan > with red LEDs - fortunately just static). Another build later and the > case was in my old computer stand, again with the clear panel obscured > by the cabinet side panel. Sadly unless I swap Moonbase and Silver (which I suppose I could do) the clear panel is in plain view... some year I'll build shelving for these critters and then perhaps it'll be hidden. And it has a brightly colored LED fan, but fortunately not blinky. > KM> Likely so... more fins uses more metal and costs more! > "We want profit!" "We want something that works at a reasonable price!" Gee, I wonder who said what... > KM> Yeah, there's something to be said for settling on a standard and > KM> sticking to it... like, not having to relearn from scratch! > > To me that has advantages! You do some sort of IT work, so pays to be Well, I used to build and maintain custom systems, and was the hardware dude for the SoCal user grope, but haven't done any of that in about ten years now. So now it's all just for me. Mine! MINE!! > familiar with various OSs. Me, I'm just doing it as a hobby and "less > is more". (Though I counted six live computers just up here!) Lessee... in sight we have .. -- Cash (usually PCLinuxOS streaming box, but temporarily replacing its defective twin with Silver's old XP) -- Moonbase (DOS = DOOM) -- Bullet (XP64, file server) -- Silver II (OS jury still out, but runs XP64 best) -- Fireball (OS jury still out, it prefers Win10, that will never do!) -- Airwolf (giant server, now somewhat cannibalized; no OS) -- Dell #1 (Win7) -- Dell #2 (Hackintosh and Windows Server2008R2, Neige workstation edition) -- Dell #3 (PCLinuxOS) All but Dell #2 are powered on, tho right now everyone but Cash, Bullet, and Moonbase are asleep. (Shhhh!) Bullet was so named because at the time it was faster than a speeding... Silver came along afterward and was named for the case color. Only somewhat later did I realise that I had Silver Bullet! And Fireball is a Xeon, so having already named a Xeon Xorro, next thing to come into my head was Fireball XL-5, and there ya go. :D > KM> Yeah, so long as I'm alerted, I don't care why! Kept smelling > KM> something I didn't like... discovered a rotted-out flue under the > KM> house... well, that explains it! (Replaced along with the furnace > KM> that died last winter.) > > That perforated flue could have turned you blue! (CO effect.) I sort Actually, gave me a headache, which was clue #2 to what I was smelling. > of start to 'freak out' at the beginning of the heating season when the > dust is burning off inside the furnace: something's burning! (OK, Haha... mine doesn't do that, but the wood stove is Not Right and sometimes leaks dead burnt smells into the house. (Also sends smoke the wrong way -- chimney is plenty tall, think it's a design problem.) This does tend to cause momentary alarm... is also why wood stove not used. > KM> Level display does sound better. > Yes, just like the older cars had gauges on the dash. I may not know > what they do or mean but that 'oil' one has been pointing low of where > it usually is - better get checked. (Topped off with half a quart.) > Now: tum-de-dum -- oh! The oil can is lit up! Down three quarts! Yeah, I hate that. Just gimme a damn gauge that actually means something. Seriously, would you like the speedometer to only display a light when you're over 60mph?? And what's with all the touch screens that you have to TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD to use?? That's another reason looking for older for the winter 4WD, probably 1996 or before... I like knobs, ON THE DASH. And the dimmer switch on the floor, as the gods intended. (Okay, so that's 1991 or before...) > KM> And that's how it went. Something in the installs from this year > KM> is messing up kioslave, whatever that is, so can't do disk > KM> anything. My old install does not have the problem even after > KM> updates. (Keeping fingers, toes, eyes, and wires crossed...) > > Kioslave -- sounds like something not politically correct or a new > medication one shoudl ask their doctor about just because the > advertisement said to! I'd sort of guess with the 'io' in there might > have something to do with an input-output, especially as you said "can't > do disk anything". > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIO > > KIO (KDE Input/Output) is a system library incorporated into KDE > Frameworks 5 and KDE Software Compilation 4. It provides access to > files, web sites and other resources through a single consistent API. Yeah, that's the one. Both our Jan. and May ISOs had the problem -- Jan. after a recent update, May out of the box. Finally installed MyLiveGTK and made an ISO of my good install on the Dell, and installed from that. Works perfectly, even after updating. No more errors. (Also, it's better looking and already has all my software and tweaks.) BTW if you do that... when the installer asks for a new user, SKIP, or you'll be sorry. Cuz the ISO still has the user credentials from the install that the ISO was made from, and if you re-add your name because at that point there's no user in sight, you won't be able to log in at all. Trust me on this. :) Well, at least PCLOS only takes five minutes to install, and two clicks. > KM> Nope... I can install linux on it. I can install Win10 on it. > KM> (Apparently the board has an embedded license, as W10 > KM> auto-activated itself.) I can run a 'portable' Win7 on it, but > KM> Win7 will not install. Given its intended job as fileserver (cuz > KM> native SAS ports) I'd really rather have XP64 on it, but may not > KM> be in the cards. > > Ahhhh!! I have an old DVD that does something similar: will only run on > a specific version of Windows (came bundled with something we sold at > the store). I did get it to work once altering some parameter, or maybe > a form of virtual machine - LIS been years. Server2008R2 would have been satisfactory as well (next best thing to XP64, as it defaults to a sane interface) but it wouldn't install either. BUT! I cloned the disk from Dell #2 and that runs fine. Tho this version can only see 32GB RAM, but not like it needs 64GB anyway. (Unfortunately that Dell was a multiboot experiment that I just never got rid of, so it also has Win10 and Win10Lite on it. They both run good on the Dell but are a bit laggy on Fireball, even tho it's faster with more RAM. Its own Win10-by-itself runs much better. I don't understand this. Oh well, set default boot to 2008R2, and ignore Win10. Damn thing now apparently rewrites the boot sector whenever you switch OSs, which does not strike me as a Good Idea. In the olden daze it just pointed at whichever one you picked.) So now Fireball has working Windows 7/2008R2/10, and one working Linux, so at least it's functional across a reasonable spectrum, if not ideal. Normally anymore I don't do multiboot but rather use hotswap bays and laptop HDs, one per OS... but the Dells have no bays at all, so the experimental installs had to share one well-buried HD. > > KM> Speaking of disk support... I'm wondering how I partitioned the > KM> NVMe on a Win7 setup when Win7 does not natively support NVMe, > KM> and the hotfix to support it has been killed off. BUT! I found a > KM> patch and driver that work on XP64. Tada! > KM> http://doomgold.com/pcstuff/NVMe.rar > > Got it - thanks! And congratulations of sorts ;) : you're the first > file I downloaded since getting fiber optic. Click, done - really?! Happy to help pluck its cherry Patches included for Win7/8/10. XP64 and Server2003 are basically the same OS. > KM> Nope, doesn't seem to apply. And my response to "linux won't > KM> install" has always been to throw out that distro and find > KM> another one. > That can work! I done something similar with utilities: too complicated > to get to install, probably too much work to get to work or work with. Yeah, I have no patience anymore. Either it works easily or out it goes. > I'm probably going to step on a few toes on the various sides of the > topic but here goes. I'm also going to be viewing more from the casual > cityified dog owner. It seems most people want a buddy out of their pet > dog and "to love me I have to give you freedom to do anything and lavish > you with gifts [treats]". That usually ends up with the owner getting > walked all over and the dog is more the owner of the human. Exactly. This is also why dog bites are on the increase -- a dog with low bite inhibition will take this as permission to put its teeth on you. (Also, neutered dogs are more likely to fear-bite.) > With Honey, my Lhasa Apso, unknown adoption history so some retraining, > plus her getting accustomed to a new and apparently less menacing > environment. At the time the back yard wasn't fully fenced; didn't want Coming from a bad environment -- a normal puppy only takes 3 days to recover, and a normal adult only about a month. Any behavior that persists beyond that is not from "abuse" or whatever badness, but rather is inherent to the dog's temperament. And there are a lot of dogs with inherited neuroses or even psychoses. > her wandering in to the neighbour's back yard. There were some shrubs > along the line so used them as a visual cue of which side to stay on. > Walked her around the yard on leash, started with the fenced side which > also has some shrubs and plants; she started to wander too close to the > fence would tighten the leash slightly and I'd say "this side!" -- maybe > a 'come here' type command at first too. Verbal praise, maybe a petting; > didn't have any treats on me so no munchies. She did learn to stay with > me, not wander. Tightening the leash is negative reinforcement, and that was actually what taught her the boundary. Praising her for coming back didn't really do much. In fact praise as typically used (effusive and whiny-voiced) is really more of a permission to STOP obeying. The most effective praise is not a reward at all, but a command: "Good!" spoken like you're giving a new command. And it is -- it means: "Pay attention, because you *might* get another chance to please me!" This works even with dogs that have a natural screw-you attitude, and produces fantastic desire to do well in dogs that naturally want to please. And there exist dogs that cannot be praised at ALL, because they take it as license to disobey. So long as they're uncertain, and think they might yet earn your displeasure, they'll cheerfully obey... but the moment you say "Good dog!" they'll thumb their nose and run off to do dog things, and screw you. (Yes, have owned one like this... the very behavior that popularized the electric collar in field dogs.) Since I want the dog to work FOR ME, I've assiduously bred against the screw-you type, and for the desire to just naturally obey (and the brains to figure it out). After 14 generations of my own dogs being selected that way, other dogs seem both stubborn and retarded. Which is why Lukas stayed... his looks are not ideal, but behavior-wise he's like the perfect dog all the time, even without any training. Just sorta naturally does whatever you want, and never does anything bad. And his first pups have a lot of that too. They are not drilled and have almost no formal training; this is just everyday manners: Six weeks: http://doomgold.com/kennel/videos/lukas-skid-wait_7401.mov Nine weeks: http://doomgold.com/kennel/videos/Lukas-Skid-9wks-controlled-break_7498.mov Note how the one that 'broke' (left before being allowed) put itself back -- correcting its own mistake. Four months (had been on a long sit, but camera didn't start recording as soon as I'd thought): http://doomgold.com/kennel/videos/Lukas-Skid-come-4mos_001.mov Their mom doing a simple retrieve: http://doomgold.com/kennel/videos/Skid-retrieve_7859.mov > Hmmm! so sort of push-the-button-for-food. I may have trained Honey the > right way sort of accidentally but seemed to make more sense. Her treat > was praise, which hopefully made her feel good. The best treat is actively pleasing the human -- dogs get pleasure more from activity than from aftermath (which is what praise and petting would be). Still, if the praise was properly distributed, it told her that a certain activity would be pleasurable, which tends to lead to obedient behavior (at least if the dog has desire to please. Some don't.) In other words, another chance to please you. > Was sitting in the side yard yesterday morning because the power > was out and so can't do anything inside and the fans not circulation air > was getting a little stuffy. Maybe out there 45 minutes, an hour. Not > one car! Only saw the power company's truck slow down to check the pole > transformer in all that time. Did see a 'people': guy walking his dog. > Two jets. Busy day. There's a highway between Lee Vining CA and Hawthorne NV that I enjoy... it's about 55 miles and on one particularly busy day, I saw a car, an 18 wheeler, and a bicycle. (Normal trip, I might see ONE vehicle, and more often none.) I don't know why hardly anyone takes that route ... if you're going from Bishop CA to Fallon NV, it's a much better road than US Hwy 6, and the pass is an easier climb. But all the truck traffic seems to go the other way. > > KM> (Similarly, repeat breedings in dogs are never the same quality, > > KM> and sometimes very different... well, here's an explanation. > > I'm in computer mode: thinking analog vs. digital duplication! > KM> LOL, if only!! > That could be the premise for a science-fiction book! ...One of the > female cashiers at the store would read romance novels on break -- could > sort of see a Fabio-type cover with a bit of robot revealed. Soft- > graphic "John!" "Marsha!" segments alternating between the analog and > digital coupling - and now the monster coming out of the stomach (like > in Alien?? -- not sure if the right movie). ...Must have had a couple of > fermented grapes with breakfast -- sheesh!! Clearly Barry needs to write Weird SF. There's actually a market for that kind of thing, ya know... > KM> How you can not know this just from looking... in a herd of 100 > KM> wild deer, you'll be hard pressed to pick one out, because they > KM> all look exactly alike. But 100 dogs, even of the same breed, > KM> will look like 100 different dogs. Fact is domestic breeding > KM> preserves tons of genes that in nature would be Darwined away. > > Dogs specifically bred to enhance some feature beneficial to humans but > not necessarily to nature in general. That, and humans preserving traits that don't work well in the wild. Desire to please is one of 'em... in the wild it'll just get you eaten. > Scott County Park allows bow and arrow deer hunting during a specific > time of year to trim the herd. A few other areas on both sides of the > River do similar. We need to thin 'em out a bit on the west side of the state... Hwy 93 routinely records over 200 car-vs-deer per DAY. Well, the invasive wolves (what they 'reintroduced' was NOT a native type) will see to that, eventually... > > We're assuming 'billionaire' was referring to a currency and not > > ownership of a billion grass clippings! > KM> Oh, that I already have... and five lawn mowers in various stages > KM> of worn out. > Hey look! This one has the blade worn out! Funny thing, the one with the blade that looks like it was overdue for replacement in 1993 does the best mulching job! Probably beats it to smithereens, cuz it has no edge left at all. > KM> Did you know there are whole communities of folks who collect > KM> lawn mowers? :) > > Why do I feel like I'm being set up for a really weird joke?! Let's I dunno, cuz you thought of one? :D > see.... Frisbyterians, souls to the roof... Pastafarian... soul food. > > And if you're a benevolent dictator might not be all that bad. > KM> I often say, "When I become dictator" just before espousing some > KM> excellent policy. > > "Excellent policy" to who's benefit?! Well, since I'm dictator... mine, of course! > KM> Oh, we KNOW that's not an Apple error.. they would never admit > KM> that "We" made a boo-boo!! > > So go windows: the icon says "My Computer", so not yours! Not MINE! I also change "Network Neighborhood" to say "Network Hoods". :D > KM> Haha... I don't know what 'treasures' I need, but I'm sure there > KM> must be some. > > Oh, maybe a clue to the lawn mower thing up there: there's some island > culture using huge rings of rock as currency ('treasure'), so maybe the Seriously?? kinda lacking in portability... at a guess, some anthropologist got pranked, which many semi-primitive cultures LOVE to do to strangers. > lawn mowers are being used as currency! ...This is worth 1 lawn mower, > this is worth one mow job.... Haha... sounds like my neighborhood > KM> I need to do something like that, instead of "overflowing boxes > KM> sitting in the middle of the floor, apparently full of very thin > KM> snakes during mating season". > > Yeah, had that here! Loosely coil the cables, secure with > twist-ties or appropriate lengths of scrap wire. I sometimes use two if Walmart has rolls of velcro cable-thingees for cheap. I need to get more! Yes, I already used up both rolls... > KM> I have a color laser I picked up cheap (with extra carts) but > KM> haven't got around to setting it up... ended up less motivated > KM> than I expected. Wireless so main thing is finding an outlet... > KM> scarce in this house. > > That's a problem with older houses: back when they were built not as > much electrical stuff so less need for outlets. Electrician I knew when > I was working at the college updated his place with quad instead of > duplex outlets, so a cluster of four instead of the usual two outlets > per 'wall outlet'. Oh, it's not a lack of outlets, it's that they apparently used salvage from 1920.. they're the old ROUND outlets like I haven't seen a plug for in 50+ years, and it was ancient then. And they're live, so don't go stickin' your fork in one! > storage than fight lawsuits. ...I wonder what it would cost to ship my > Epson FX-286? (Yeah, I'll carry the shipping initially but expect it > back.) A whole lot, probably. I had a wide-carriage (like 30") pin impact but it got left behind when I moved, being an awkward heavy bugger and I'd never got around to using it as I'd planned. Also, where do you get paper??! Fact is I just don't print much anymore. So naturally I have more printers than ever. > KM> I think there are supposed to be four desktops, even if I never > KM> use 3 of 'em. I like the OpenBox names for 'em: Air, Earth, Fire, > KM> and Water. > > That sounds mystical! It makes me laugh every time. :D > Good and bad points to each. I wouldn't know where to begin on altering/ > updating/correcting source code. I've sort of looked at some here to > see about making something work better for me. Was a home-brewed copy > routine: the 'direct' way wasn't working so did figure out a > work-around. (No, wasn't for this computer, a different one.) I'm not much on that either. I've done some hacking with a hex editor, and with Resource Hacker, but that's much the same -- just editing the surface. Doesn't change the guts. (This is why when I used BlueWave, it would ID itself as variously HeatWave or ColdWave, and I was tempted to use CrimeWave. :D > > Mow with the tank on the other side! > KM> Actually I do have to do that! > > Tends to avoid the worry about the gasoline spilling out and being lit > on fire, though the horizontal bands of flames is rather eye-catching to > view! I'll bet! We shall not try that here. :D > > > > > > > .. If say "I always lie", am I lying? > > > KM> Yes. No. > > > True! > > KM> False! > > Um, "X"? > KM> Marks the spot. > Right where I'm ticklish! That why you laughin' at me? :D þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .