Subj : Re: Too many? :) To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Tue Sep 22 2020 17:21:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > > My initial thought was to follow that which appeals to your sense of > > organization -- after all, your compilation! > KM> Yeah, and then I realized I'd run the pathnames out to a day's > KM> hike from the prompt... and then what do you do with something > KM> like DebianDog (or worse, DevuanDog) which is really Debian but > KM> lives in the Puppy ecosystem? > > Ummm, multiple listings? Not unless I did symlinks on disk, which I don't want to do. The listing is the actual directory structure. That's all it's for. I just find it amusing how many I've collected, and which got more attention. > KM> Bah. "Unsorted". :D > > Sounds like the joke about the secretary who filed everything under "M" > for "Miscellaneous"! Actually as long as it can be found relatively > easily it doesn't matter where it is. True enough... fact is after I've tested most of 'em, they're discarded from consideration and I never look at 'em again. So it doesn't really matter, unless one tickles my Look Again Later circuit. Then I want to FIND it! Or in one case, when one of our number on the PCLOS forum wanted to see an obscure spin, I proved to have the last remaining copy (now on archive.org). > > As for the 'never find again' aspect, simply use a Find or Search > > option? Start from near the top and have computer drill down and locate > > for you. > KM> Oh, but when you can't remember what some obscure spin called > KM> itself... > > BTDT - sometimes with the titles of my own files! I have dozens, perhaps hundreds of directories named Stuff... or sometimes !Stuff... sometimes both.... > > KM> This actually happened with ... I believe it was JULinux (Just > KM> Use linux) or possibly a variant that remains unrediscovered... > KM> All I could remember is that the default wallpaper had Tux as > KM> Jesus. Which was extremely funny but not enough to make the NAME > KM> stick in my head! That's why the durn ISO is appended "Jesus > KM> linux". (Or should be. I need to download another for my > KM> collection.) > > Hence the spreadsheet-type form with the Notes column! I actually tried doing something like that when I did the first big trawl looking for a distro to love... printed out a Wikipedia list with ancestors and last-update and whatever else was on the chart. Not sure it accomplished anything but it did waste about 10 sheets of paper. :) > I rarely use spreadsheets the utility but sometimes use the concept in a > regular text editor. Guess it's more the concept of "everything is > organized in columns". Yeah, did a lot of columns and tables in WordPerfect for that kind of thing... nowadays I mostly don't care. > KM> === > > Hmm: sort of a marker for a message break! Or maybe just a marker of > restart point.... Yes! this is where I rebooted my brain!! > Yes, I sort of also go by the "if it doesn't install right it's not good > for me" when trying out software. Yep... I'm past where I want to nursemaid stuff along. Either work right, and don't make me get out the whip, or off you go. > KM> So there's finally a KDE-on-Debian that at least looks decent > KM> live. Let's try that... if we can figure out the damn > KM> partitioner. Not sure what took it so long but it didn't actually > KM> do anything; here's Mageia's /home still intact (well, at least I > KM> didn't have to redo my KDE settings), in part because it wouldn't > KM> let me change it. Two hours later it's finally installed.... at > KM> first it was really sluggish; seems to have gotten better. > > Doing an automatic backup of some sort? Creating a journal? Dunno... didn't see anything happening... > KM> Letting it run updates, but I don't see anything to induce me to > KM> switch. Only reason to not nuke it is that the installer is a > KM> major PITA and I don't want to do it again, ever. Makes Windows > KM> installs look simple. > > The problem might be your slow data line. I have done a Actually, no. Even not counting that, it still took just over an hour. Today's experiment is OpenSuSE/Gecko (Rolling) with KDE. It sensibly does all the config stuff up front, so no halts in mid-stream that need attention, but so far it's taken two hours and is only to 91%, and far as I can tell it's not downloading anything (even if it is, it should have long since been done, with very little to do as this is a current ISO, with no huge recent updates that I know of). "Removing one package" -- what's that about?? Oh goodie, it's finally done! now let's see if it'll boot (live SuSE fails about 2 times out of 3).... Well, it finally got past the splash screen, but now we have a blank monitor.... eventually I lost patience and did C-A-D... now I have a mouse cursor... if it's cooking an Nvidia driver in the background, it needs to show me that (normally you can hit ESC and see what's going on)... shouldn't take this long anyway... ....and I've typed everything in this message other than the above two paragraphs while waiting for it to find its brain, and it's still just a blank screen and a mouse cursor (it must have loaded the desktop, cuz that's a Plasma cursor). It's not locked up, but nothing is happening. Ignores C-A-D, which normally if something is stuck will at least get you a declaration that it's SENDING SigTerm and subsequent shutdown. So punched the POWER OFF button, and now I have: fireballgecko login: (that's what I named it) which does not take input. It is supposedly set to autologin. And about the time I got done typing that, it decided to actually do a shutdown and power-off. So it's rebooting, I'm watching the crawl... it got past login, but is stuck at Started Locale Service. Ten minutes later, there's a mouse cursor. Forced power down, repeat, this time it had to be fed login creds, stuck at same place, and ten minutes later, a mouse cursor. Well, it can sit there; I'll go out and do chores and see what it's doing in an hour. And then I need that monitor to watch baseball. Lordy, do these people ever test their products outside of a VM? > couple of Raspbian creations and what used to take an hour with the 7 > Mbps DSL now only takes (guesing) ten minutes with the fiber optic > service. Unfortunately you can't do much about the data rate they give > you but just thinking it's a possibility. Seems even during the > installation things are being checked/called to The Internet. When I made the mistake of doing a netinstall with Debian (the real thing, not a descendant), it took over four hours, I had to babysit it the whole way, and when it was done it wouldn't boot. Not how you make fans... ....but as noted above, that's only a little fraction of the time used. > KM> PCLOS has spoiled me. Installs in 5 minutes flat (even with my > KM> 3GB of added stuff) and a handful of clicks, nothing to configure > KM> and all works OOTB. > > That takes all the challenge out! I'm tired of challenges; I want successes! Seriously, one of the big reasons why in my stable of PCs, PCLOS has been edging out Windows (never mind other linux distros), especially newer Windows, is that the install is so fast and painless. If I need to use a system for something else and can't be arsed to save the old setup, I can have it back in five minutes. (Well, the last one I timed, on an i7-3xxx: 4 minutes 20 seconds.) You can't even do a disk restore that fast. It's occurred to me that this might be a side effect of PCLOS being a one-man-band and wholly volunteer, so it only has one person's time to waste, and Tex isn't real patient. Most distros are a bunch of people; Debian is hundreds of people. Combine all that wasted time, and the end user gets it all at once... === Chris did a quick review last year (2nd segment): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcmkw22jV4g Install in approximately realtime: https://youtu.be/xR6ty3cSekg?t=271 þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .