Subj : Re: USB lock up - poo! Fo To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Tue Feb 15 2022 11:49:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > Follow-up to the message I wrote this morning. You followin' me? :D > > > Now for the CPU. Looks like between an i5 12600K and i7 12700K (leaning > KM> https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-vs-Inte > > Did check the links -- some new/better detailed information. Actually > this one (truncated) I did find on my own. OK, with Goggle's help. > Did decide to go with the i5 12600K: didn't seem to be worth the extra > money for a processor which seems to be faster only for stuff I don't or > only rarely do. Gives me time to take a sip of my coffee/tea/water! Yeah, there's probably not much point in going for the highest-end for what our lot do. If you aren't crunching numbers or rendering video, or playing the latest games... anything from about a midrange i7 or higher range i5 (your choice) will have a lot of staying power. > KM> Fact is the stock cooler usually scrapes by, so better is not an > KM> emergency if you're just doing everyday stuff and not gaming or > > Down here someplace there was a link regarding cooler considerations for > the i7-12700K version. As the i5 and i7 are essentially identical > except for the max heat might be good to pay attention! ...Decided on > the Noctura NH-U12S -- the 140 mm version are expensive! (But cheaper > than charcoaling the motherboard and CPU.) Single fan with the ability > to add a second fan. Will monitor with pSensor and see if needed. Pricey... I doubt a second fan does anything but interfere with the first fan. I'm not convinced Noctua are that special, tho they did position themselves as having quieter fans. Which in this era of helicopter PCs is worth something. The coolers I've got in Silver and Fireball are HP surplus. Didn't like the look or price of what else was handy, these got good reviews from genuine IT types, so tried one. Idling under 25C?? Impressed, bought another. Still impressed. (And that with the fan turned down about halfway, that being where it starts being audible outside the case. Silver downspeeds it automagically, Fireball has a rheostat.) Um... this one: https://www.amazon.com/HP-160w-LGA2011-Heatsink-656332-001/dp/B00H2YRL18 copper foot under the included thermal goo. Except mine were $25 off eBay. I need to get some more case fans. Down to dregs. > Also need to find again the video on "Too Many Fans" -- found in one of > the links and made a note to look at it later in my notes. Would make > sense: need an airflow, and if too strong front-to-back might create a > stagnant air pool at the top and bottom of the case because air can't > flow into the main stream easily. Or causes whistles as the air is > jet-streamed through! Also thinking too much forced air can pull air > the wrong way through devices like the PSU. Fans-fans-and-more-fans have become a religion among the gaming and overclocking crowd. Yeah, I doubt most of 'em do much besides make noise and rearrange dust (and so many of the newer cases have crap ventilation regardless). I've found the PSU fans plus one intake fan is generally adequate, unless you're bent on burning up the CPU with games or other hard work. And then the case fans aren't the limiting factor; the CPU cooler is. Doesn't really matter which way air moves through the PSU, so long as more warm air leaves the case than stays in it. I do like to leave the top drive bay empty, if there's no top vent (Silver and Paladin have vents in the case top), as I've found that does more for letting out hot air than all the fans in China. Also like to leave some of the slot covers off, same reason -- passive airflow to move the main mass of hot air, while fans move it away from specific spots like the CPU heatsink. My personal favorite is a gag fan some fan mfgr made and sent to Gamer's Nexus -- it just fits the side of a standard case. The WHOLE side!! BTW that's a good YT channel to check for reviews. They're meticulous about testing and not tolerant of junk. Main thing is being gamer oriented, lot of detail you and I don't care about, but still good for comparisons and overviews. See also their recent expose of Newegg's RMA BS. (Two videos, watch in order.) Conclusion, which some of us already knew: never buy anything from Newegg that doesn't have a direct manufacturer warranty. Also, never buy anything fragile from Newegg. þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .