Subj : Re: USB lock up - poo! To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Tue Feb 15 2022 12:01:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > KM> The main diff being that at 190W peak, the i7 is harder to keep > KM> cool. > Well I didn't find that but did find the two are essentially the same. Not a huge difference for everyday use, no. I usually go with last year's CPU, then upgrade it when this year's becomes last year's. > KM> Fact is the stock cooler usually scrapes by, so better is not an > KM> emergency if you're just doing everyday stuff and not gaming or > > I'm planning on using a much better cooler, especially after the fiasco > with the "recommended by AMD" cooler on the FX-8320 in this computer: AMD stock cookers, er, coolers have always been utter crap, all the way back. They were marketed to overclockers who always had to replace the stock cooler, so why put one cent more into quality than they had to? hence the stock AMD cooler is always about three generations inadequate for anything more strenuous than initial bootup. > fine at first, then started occasionally revving fans, then mysteriously > shutting down. Installed pSensor and some logging: the temperature is > what before it shuts down?!?!! Install a CoolerMaster Hypo Evo 212, > generally stays around the 100øF / 40øC mark. ANY off-the-shelf cooler would be better than ANY stock AMD cooler. They're intended to be trashed and replaced; see above. Aluminum and half normal size for the CPU class, with half the fan too. Intel's HSFs are at least adequate for everyday use, if not for heavy gaming or overclocking. Copper core, decent fan. > KM> https://www.pcgamer.com/intels-upcoming-alder-lake-stock-cooler-ge > KM> ts-tested/ > KM> What looks so-so but has a copper core will outperform what looks > KM> great but has an aluminum core. > > Personally I don't care too much what the inside looks like: I don't see > it unless I'm working inside. And outside I prefer plain. Yeah, same here. But there's a fad for swoopy-looking CPU coolers, which IMO is just stupid. Some look like they'd put an awful lot of stress on the mainboard, being topheavy monsters. (I'm lookin' at you, Zalman...) > .. Useless Fact: Zebras didn't invent algebra. I needed more useless facts. þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .