Subj : USB lock up - poo! Fo To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Fri Feb 18 2022 10:28:00 Hi Ky! > > Follow-up to the message I wrote this morning. > KM> You followin' me? :D > Out of morbid curiosity! KM> I'll be sure to leave a trail of dead bodies so you get your KM> money's worth. We talking human or animal? > Right. Another factor I consider is the future: try to anticipate what > I will need for several years down the road. Did get the i5-12600K. > Did see the other options that were compatible but the comments kept > pointing to the i5-12600K or the i7-12700K -- must be a reason. KM> Considering it's about 10x faster that where you started, it'll KM> be spectacular. Oo! got the answer before I entered the search term! > As for the cooling towers the only ones I have used are the CoolerMaster > Hyper 212 EVO and the Cryorig H7 Plus. Using only one fan and seems to > be fine. The other fan can always be used as a replacement elsewhere. KM> The fanciest one I have is a generic tower cooler I got off eBay KM> for about $15 (it's taller than normal and gets the heat exchange KM> well away from the motherboard). Works great. Quad-core 3.2GHz KM> idles around 30C. The FX-8320 here likes to run about ten degree warmer but that could be due to a lot of other factors like rated 125 W for starters. Nowhere near the thermal cut-off point. > The reason I went with the Noctura is they seemed to be the only ones I > could find a LGA1700 mounting for among the three brands. Maybe not KM> That can be the constraint, yeah. If it don't fit, ain't worth KM> nothin'. I'm not sure the adhesive on Duct Tape would hold up to the heat. There were some comments on one could buy an adapter to modify other fans. I considered; didn't find so that took care of that option for me. I was going to comprare the cost of the adapter to a new fan -- both the direct-fit one and replacement of the fan I have here -- currently spare but sort of have a destination use. > carried yet, though that doesn't seem right. Also where I was reading > the Noctura seemed to be highly rated and pretty much the only brand > mentioned. No, I wasn't anywhere near the Noctura forum! KM> They seem to be reasonably good, tho pricey. Yes, I thought the pricing was bit high too. Other people have done the research and probably know more how to read the results (me: oh yeah - copper is a better conductor than this other). Plus I didn't see where another brand was coming up -- certainly not the only ones making a fan to fit? Well, do remember one but horizontal: seemed like it would cover some of the RAM. > KM> The coolers I've got in Silver and Fireball are HP surplus. > KM> Didn't like the look or price of what else was handy, these got > KM> good reviews from genuine IT types, so tried one. Idling under > KM> 25C?? Impressed, bought another. Still impressed. (And that with > That _is_ good! Here generally running in the low 90's øF (~33øC), but > of course part of that 'hotter' might be the processor, plus I've > noticed LibreOffice tends to warm things up. Closed/none is definately > cooler than 6 or 8 open documents. KM> Busy is definitely warmer. Modern CPUs self-throttle when not KM> busy, often down to half or a third their max speed. Right -- actually kind of amazing they do: computer running itself. Probably the way I keep files open is inefficient for the computer but that's more efficient for me -- they're in progress. > KM> the fan turned down about halfway, that being where it starts > KM> being audible outside the case. Silver downspeeds it > KM> automagically, Fireball has a rheostat.) > Gee, you could have used a switch bank and made it look Dr. > Frankenstein-y! KM> It's already a frankenputer... Silver's only parts that came KM> together were the mainboard and CPU! Fireball didn't even have KM> that, the board happened to fit a loose CPU and loose RAM, and KM> off we went. Works for me! I tend to construct a 'mega computer' for my primary use, also one for the MythTV Backend, and as require to be bigger/badder/ better will be dropped to the next level, the computer being replaced in turn dropped a level, finally replacing the oldest.slowest computer which generally stil gets to hang around because spares are good! The computers being rolled down a level probably will get a bit of an upgrade in the process: just adding a SSD for the OS partition really speeds up otherwise slow computers! > KM> I need to get some more case fans. Down to dregs. > Better that nothing but yes, buy before need and you might also be able > to catch a sale. KM> You can always find Sunon fans for cheap, and they're extremely KM> durable, but noisy. I've only seen one die, and it's probably 25 KM> years old. And they move a lot of air (goes with being noisy). I might have you beat! I have some Muffin fans removed from mainframes in the mid-70's. Initially appears to be 45 years but I can't say has been running continuously: know several were in storage and replaced one that died -- either beyond recovery by relubrcating or a couple the plastic/rubber ring the fan blades attach to broke. (Ring encircled the 2" motor shaft, held with friction. Dried or shrunk or something - fracture line.) Was reading newer fans are quieter because bigger diameter so can rotate slower to move the same amount of air. Also the blades aren't spaced exactly evenly: being offset slightly reduces the air turbulance so it quieter. KM> So... need to find quieter. But not $20 each . Probably not!! I've saved some money buy buying more (multi-packs). Having an extra 120mm fan on hand is good: you're almost certainly going to use it, plus have it now vs waiting to be shipped, plus possibly save on shipping. > The current computer I'm on (the one with the SouthBridge issue) wants > an additional fan. Not absolutely sure of the original number of fans > because I don't feel like pulling the unit but pretty sure one in the > rear panel, one for the PSU, and one at top (the latter two I'm sure of! > ) Was running warm, even after the swap in of the CoolerMaster CPU > unit, so rigged up power for a 120mm fan and laid on top -- temperature > drop! Intention of course to mount to the inside where it belongs but > with the SouthBridge issue and so eventual replacement of the > motherboard haven't bothered. KM> If they're that much of a cooling problem I just leave the side KM> panels off. Problem solved!! Oh good: maybe I don't have a problem! ...The new MythTV Backend is using a recycled case. The tower cooler for the CPU is about a quarter-inch too high so the side panel doesn't fit. Thinking dust issues, improper air flow, etc. The good news is the open side is against the cabinet, so doesn't show, plus no accidental finger-poken. I did put a 80 mm fan at the bottom-center of the open side to help move air around. > That does make sense, though having some sort of filter might help keep > dust out. OTOH sufficient airflow shouldn't give time for the dust to > settle. I do have a few cases with front panel ventilation. KM> Yeah, I need to get some more of those magnetic fan-cover filters KM> for the intake fans. Work great. Back to the open side cover thing I was considering some sort of cover - filter material maybe. Not sure magnetic would work as relatively narrow metal strip to attach to. Was also considering removing the center portion of the panel, replacing with what though as would need to be 'pootched' out a half-inch or so. > KM> See also their recent expose of Newegg's RMA BS. (Two videos, > KM> watch in order.) Conclusion, which some of us already knew: never > KM> buy anything from Newegg that doesn't have a direct manufacturer > KM> warranty. Also, never buy anything fragile from Newegg. > So far I've not had problems with Newegg, but then I KM> Me neither, but I took a lesson from others' pain, and only buy KM> from there what has a manufacturer warranty, or is essentially KM> unbreakable. And probably essentially the same here. I tend not to be too concerned with manufacturer's warranties, though do use as a gauge of how good something is: if one manufacturer for 3 months and another for one year the latter seems to have more confidence in what they made. KM> Newegg makes LOT of complaints of DOA hard drives, apparently due KM> to mishandling, and SSDs that are grey market thus no U.S. KM> warranty (have to be returned to Europe, which costs more than KM> the drive did). Probably right -- I haven't needed to purchase any for a while, combination of 'purchasing in bulk' to get a slight discount, going to use anyway -- and recycling the old stuff here. I do generally stick with name brand -- maybe just automatically have followed the guidelines you suggested. > don't buy too much from them. Sort of along the same lines I remember > semi-recently I was going to buy something at Amazon which was listed as > them plus several dealers/shops. Lowest price by ~$15 was from a dealer > (also free shipping) but the reviews complained of shoddy (not just poor) > packaging: broke open, etc. I don't need missing parts and other > hassels so spent the few extra dollars. KM> Yeah, I shop the dealer more than the part, given quality often KM> depends on the dealer being honest. If something is significantly lower than the trend it starts to raise a red flag with me: why? Frequently because shipping not included (not always a bad thing -- I've saved money paying for shipping. In this $15 instance shipping was included but lots of complaint posts on packaging issues. Nah: not worth the potential hassle. KM> BTW Jacobsparts (store site or ebay) is a good source for good KM> quality cables and such at good prices. Yes, you've mentioned them before and I have done some purchasing from them. Good quality. ¯ BarryMartin3@ ® ¯ @MyMetronet.NET ® .... 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