Subj : Re: Remmina RDP To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Wed May 22 2024 16:48:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > KM> If I'm just experimenting, I use real hardware and a stack of > KM> small hard drives... much more reliable results. One PC, fifty > KM> OSs. > > Probably better to use real hardware than 'pretend' hardware but again a > matter of "all depends". I don't test/try stuff all that often and the > expense of getting hot swap enclosures would probably really make a 'no'. > Plus I'm running out of room: another computer plus storage of those > hard drives! My experience is that LiveCD, Virtual Machine, and Real Hardware are not equivalent, in behavior or performance. Many a Linux LiveCD can see the other PCs on the network, but the same one INSTALLED cannot. > > KM> But when I need to run something that the host OS doesn't like... > KM> that's why I do VMs. > > You do a heck of a lot more experimenting than I do! A whole lot. Still preferably on real hardware, but am hunting for a VM that will work on Roadkill... my regular XP VM wouldn't even finish loading. > KM> Did you see the crazy thing (I think it was) MJD did, with VMs > KM> inside of VMs until it went all the way from Newest Windows to > KM> Oldest Windows?? > > No but sounds like an interesting project! Wonder if considered going > back to MS-DOS?! ..Wonder how much storage it takes? Presume on a > NVMe just for a reasonable speed to load the most current version, then > the next from that, and the next from that one.... LOL, you can do that, if you have enough RAM! > > > > > Yes, the 'rolling upgrade process' can be a litte detail-filled! > > KM> "Rolling" is supposed to refer to the software, not the server > > KM> cabinet! > > Only when forget to set the brakes on the cabinet's wheels! > KM> OUT OF THE WAY, BERTHA IS ROLLING!!!!! > > When I was growing up a strip mall was created on a swampy area. They > filled in with the the usual dirt (guess from other construction sites) > but also trees. ...You know what happens when trees rot or even the > branches collapse? Yup! So the store floors are supported by what's > underneath, which sometimes wasn't there. ...Eventually if one didn't > hold on to shopping cart it would roll away! LOL, the old Costco here (they've moved) had that issue. The parking lot was atop what used to be a dump. Flat when first paved, but a few decades later it was up hill and down dale in every direction, tho with the largest dent toward the middle. And I mean a serious slope, not just a little dip! > > KM> I've come to greatly prefer a rolling distro for an everyday > > KM> desktop. There are NO UPGRADES and therefore NO REINSTALLS. > KM> Regressions have been pretty rare. They all do some degree of > KM> updating between, but the real point is there is no such thing as > KM> a release version, because it just keeps trundling to the future > KM> without the need of silly version numbers. > > "Beeg number good! Impressive!" Personally I don't use the version LOL, there is that. Then again, numbers like 0.29 are not impressive. > numbers other than to keep track: right now I need '31' for MythTV and > it pretty much doesn't matter which version of the OS it runs on. As > for the OS in general, I'm not a latest-and-greatest type of guy as for > the OS in general but do sort of like to keep the thing up-to-date for > security and other patches. Came across some idiot on Youtube "demonstrating how unsafe XP is online" .... first thing he does is DISABLE THE FIREWALL, and naturally it immediately collected every circulating network worm or virus. Uh, stupid, do that with ANY OS and it'll have the same thing happen!! And then he says, "I don't think the firewall is much good" ... > > Around here I'd prefer manual version upgrades, meaning to go from > > version 22 to version 23, not the more-minor updates. Have had old > > computers no longer work properly with upgrades: IMO not a fault of the > > OS, though one could say it didn't check for compatibility. > KM> Yeah, that is a problem. And yes, it should do a compatibility > KM> check, but that's not sexy programming, you should just do a > KM> reinstall and stop bothering us. > > I've noticed Mozilla appears o do a full re-install instead of an update > and I think LibreOffice does too. A lot of these monolithic programs do that. However, IIRC Ubuntu is now all containerized (or at least I heard it was going to be), which means you always replace the whole thing. > KM> I have no idea how one upgrades Debian, if it can even be done... A: Presently, it can't, if your install is over ... about a year since it was last updated?? anyway, it whines that I must authorize a different server, but zero information on how that's to be done. Screw it, in the same time I can just install a new one. Not like I want to save anything but the wallpaper. > I've done upgrades on Ubuntu (so by extension Debian) but on smaller, > more basic machines. (By 'more basic' I'm meaning not too much has been > added/modified from the original.) OTOH I do tend to go for a > from-scratch upgrade install because something major has been changed in > the machine, or a setting is wrong (old example: root set too small) and > while something like the root partition can be expanded (I've done it) > from my past experiences (Linux and Windows) it's just overall better to > start with a clean slate. Generally, but there's another advantage of Rolling... If I have to reinstall with every version upgrade, I won't use it. 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