Subj : Re: Living Debt Free To : debian From : phiax Date : Tue Aug 16 2022 04:43:52 Good writeup. I think there are many different forms and definitions of "self-sufficiency". Some people are all about going full Teddy K and living in an off-grid cabin, eating beans they grow. Others it is having enough shit paid off and ample savings/recurring income to whether crisis situations, etc. I am more in line with the latter, personally. I am kind of social. I am, politically speaking, a syndicalist. I think, especially since humans are social creatures and we cannot easily (or necessarily want to) escape society, finding solutions to liberate yourself from certain levels of risk is important. Conversely, self-sufficiency (except for the hermit in the woods) is a myth and not necessarily 100% desirable. I think a better goal is self-resiliancy. First on your own means, secondly though mutual aid, and lastly by contracted aid. To unpack, one's own means is to make sure you can whether short and long term crisis through your own resources. Your recurring expenses do not outstrip your ability to earn or conceivably what you can earn/take from savings in a pinch. For, say, a family with two potential wage earners, being able to set the level so that either one can "carry" the household [even if tight] is ideal. Most people can't be expected (nor would necessarily want to) set their budget based on outlying circumstances like sudden disability or illness, or both earners being unemployed for extended periods of time. Rather a good level, again, from my perspective, is that bills and paid and food is sufficient on one earner. As a syndie, I am a big proponent of what anarchists typically label as mutual aid and forming mutual aid networks. These can be formal, but it more often more organic in nature [but do benefit by your awareness of them and maintaining them]. A simple example would be making friends with neighbors to the point you regularly can rely on sharing tools, pinch hitting with pet/child care, etc. You know that if your car breaks down, your sibling/friend/neighbor has your back enough to lend you one or pick up the kids for a couple days for school until fixed. It's about cultivating communities of shared and mutual self-interest. I help you, cos I can can rely on you for X. I may not be for Y, but I have him for Y, etc. Also, this is very close to me living as foreigner [American living abroad], as it is often very important to create and contribute to these web or relationships, since you don't have family to bail your out. Sure, my sister or brothers-in-law would totally help me out with X but they are thousands of miles away... This is often my immigrant communities are resilient and sometimes clannish (whether or not the native population is or is not welcoming, and whether or not their status as foreigner contributes negatively to their economic realities). This can also include formal relationships (like a union) but I would only say it is strictly this if you are actually involved and active in your union [which you honestly should if you have the time]. The last is contracted aid, which seems vague, but is exceedingly mundane. These are relationships that can be tapped by contract, as you have (by choice or otherwise) been paying into it. Your home insurance is contracted aid. You can be as paid off and self-sufficient, but if you have a fire, well... you kind of need to have a policy. Similarly, you have contracted aid with the State, albeit they can be a bit lackluster (especially in the US) and regardless where you are at, often *highly* dependent of your knowledge of the system involved. Some of are straightforward... some states (take Massachusetts) have higher taxes, but actually have decent state unemployment insurance. They also have decent baseline health and disability insurance for residence. All of which are paid with state tax money and employment taxes. You have to know what they fucking you are filing when you need it, but it is contracted and can be good. Some places have funds or scholarships for education and stipends if you become unemployed and want to change careers. Literally 1% of people living in those jurisdictions know about these. Some offer other social assistance [like with disability or elder care] for non-disabled/non-elder people in a "crisis" situation, but you don't know. I am pretty plugged into this sort of thing, but when my wife was hours away long term for several months in the hospital, I was actually entitled to some assistance where I live since I have two school age kids [but didn't know]. It could have been a care worker picking them up from school and watching until I was finished with work or someone to come a clean a couple hours a week... Didn't fucking know. So with contracted aid, you need to know what you need [insurance for home, health, disability, etc.] for your situation and family, optimize the expense, and understand *everything* you are potentially entitled to from the municipality/state under what circumstances. The later actually can put more credence for "homesteading" *in town*. I live in a rather rural area overall, but I live on the outskirts of town. Sure I have to pay city water/sewer, but the schools are great, proximity to walk to town/access to buses [even if not city-level frequent] mean we can get by on one car, community programs are frequently available to free/dirt cheap for children or adults in the community. If I went a quarter mile out, I would be out of the district and not a resident. But as you can see, it mean that closer to town is better for some [like my wife and I with two school-age kids and two infants], but others [single or couple with kids out of house] being out in the woods with your own well and managing your own trash is more sustainable. For me, the biggest is paying off home, vehicles, and debt. This is a tricky enough proposition, as the expense of these (and the social expectations and the business culture surrounding the buying and selling is around credit/debit). But if you can keep everything going on one income (if a couple) or for X time until a new job (or even planning based on an easily available, but shittier job you can get in a pinch) makes things closer to sustainable. With homes, buy what you need, buy good "bones" and location, and fix it up over time. Save and hire pros for what needs the pros and find time and money to do the rest yourselves. Likewise, with car, get what you need. Find the balance between utility, reliability, and expense. For some it is buying a beater and cycling every couple years. Some it is buying something a bit nicer, since keeping it for a number of years or using it for hauling more than your own ass is important. And when you can, pay it off and own it. Taxes and tags are inevitable, so no reason to bitch. Fuel will always cost money, so plan your use (and selection) accordingly. A new car is almost never a necessity. Whenever possible buy the best quality [not most expensive] especially with tools and things you wear hard [boots, outerwear]. Whenever possible, if you can find it used and in good condition [especially for best quality stuff], that will usually serve you better in the long run. I forget which random dirty socialist philosopher I read recently made this point, but the poor person often find themselves forced to buy $2 boots and replaces them every year... They leak almost immediately, so they have to always put up with cheap, falling-apart, boots and wet feet. The $10 boots last at least five years and don't leak if maintained. The poor person is forced to get the $2 ones either because he cannot save for it or doesn't realize that he should. But yeah, if you have space and time to grow food, do it. 100%. I skipped gardening, since bought this place about and year ago and between babies and fixing up the home, no time. But we are planning everything out for either next spring or even potentially a fall planting. Animals are cool, if you are the type to want to do that, but finding farms who sell meat and eggs directly may be worth it. Same with farmers markets, etc. Hunting and fishing is often an option for people to supplement and depending on where you are at, it may be a significant enough piece of the food puzzle. And make sure you have fun. Have hobbies. Travel if you enjoy it. The system wants you to buy shit, new shit, all the time, but not all leisure and entertainment is consumption. Musical instruments are fun. Programming is great and you can do that on a potato of a computer. Making stuff is super fun. Going and seeing new things is fun. Make sure you aren't just a serf toiling on your homestead with no joy. In the end, very few want to be 100% off grid, but most people want to live securely, even if capitalists and imperialists are forcing the prices of things up outside your control. --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64) * Origin: The Bottomless Abyss BBS * bbs.bottomlessabyss.net (700:100/33) .