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02:34:21 <Stepan> hey dudes
02:35:47 <Soap`> 'ello
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07:31:28 <XeF4> moi
07:33:55 <rob_ert> hej
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09:01:15 <rob_ert> Hi.
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10:14:39 <Speuler> g'day
10:14:47 <Stepan> Speuler :-)
10:14:55 <Stepan> I just got my geode booting linuxbios
10:15:09 <Speuler> cool man
10:16:37 <Speuler> forthbios woth hostbridge support, dram init etc ?
10:16:40 <Speuler> with ...
10:17:28 <Stepan> like that. yep... it's currently using etherboot as "payload" but that will be exchanged by a forth evaluator soon.
10:17:48 <Stepan> which simplifies the bootstrap code a lot..
10:17:59 <Stepan> because all important stuff is done in forth
10:18:31 <Speuler> been doin' something similar. but pIII, 443, not geode ...
10:18:47 <Speuler> pci bridges, scsi controller ea
10:19:56 <Speuler> real programming, that :)
10:23:07 <Speuler> your town has kicked the conservative mayor ...
10:23:41 <Speuler> ahem.  city ...
10:26:04 <Speuler> anyone knows how i can xdm to echo stars instead op zilch at the password prompt ?
10:26:12 <Speuler> can cause xdm ...
10:29:05 <Stepan> Is he finally gone now? I was not here and i wasnt allowed to vote because i am not registered long enough
10:30:18 <Speuler> wrong channel ?
10:30:24 <Speuler> a.
10:30:25 <Speuler> mayor
10:30:27 <Speuler> gone
10:30:32 <Speuler> fled, i hope
10:30:37 <Speuler> to passau :)
10:30:58 <Speuler> a little but more pushing, and he's across the border
10:31:01 <Stepan> Speuler: what kind of project was that, programming all this hardware?
10:31:19 <Speuler> prototype custom computer board, compact pci
10:31:32 <Speuler> compatible with nothing
10:31:49 <Speuler> no bios, os, not a single byte for it
10:32:07 <Speuler> so i programmed the whole lot
10:33:05 <Stepan> in forth?
10:33:27 <Speuler> most of it, yes. except boot code (bx443, DRAM setup)
10:34:04 <Speuler> all cpci stuff,. scsi, etc are forth
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10:34:47 <Speuler> maybe a code word here and there
10:35:32 <futhin> howy
10:35:34 <futhin> howdy
10:35:46 <Speuler> hi futhin
10:35:59 <futhin> what are we discussing?
10:36:22 <futhin> kung fu forth coding!? :D
10:36:24 <Speuler> stand alone forth, device programming
10:36:29 <futhin> hm
10:36:41 <Speuler> stepan got his fort hbios working
10:38:43 <futhin> stepan: can you code forth inside the forth bios ?
10:38:47 <futhin> can you metacompile? :)
10:43:40 <Stepan> futhin: i'm far from that... it does not even contain a forth engine yet ;)
10:43:48 <Stepan> actually it's linuxbios
10:45:01 <futhin> you should get speuler to help you code openbios *wink* *wink*
10:47:02 <Stepan> Hehe..yepp.. looks like it.
10:47:05 <Speuler> i presume i'd be a good fit ...
10:47:18 <Speuler> unluckily my time is rather limited right now
10:47:27 <Stepan> If you want to help, you're more than welcome..!
10:47:42 <Stepan> it's slowly developing anyways... 
10:48:06 <Speuler> strival for survival ... :)
10:50:08 <Speuler> apropos survival ... feeding time ...
10:50:15 <Speuler> l8er
10:50:58 <Stepan> yep.. cuu
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10:55:04 <I440r> almost ready to release 1.04b
10:55:07 <I440r> i got cursor control
10:55:16 <I440r> works in eterm, aterm, xterm and console :)
10:57:13 <I440r> all i gotta do is update the changelog
11:03:01 * futhin starts chanting in the ancient toungue, "forth bot! forth bot! forth bot! forth bot!"
11:03:27 <futhin> :P
11:03:37 <I440r> no :P
11:03:48 <I440r> im a workin on it heh
11:04:51 <futhin> i think it would be leet to set up a web-cam in my fridge, and pose erotically with the food when i open the fridge door! make tons of e-cash!
11:05:36 <I440r> only off the queers
11:05:36 <futhin> the idea comes from penny arcade dammit!
11:06:51 <I440r> i rest my case :P
11:07:31 <futhin> you read the webcomic? 
11:07:34 <futhin> it's pretty funny
11:10:29 <I440r> nope
11:18:22 <futhin> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-04-23&res=l
11:30:33 <futhin> nothing queerish about the comic at all! :P
11:31:24 <futhin> nope
11:31:27 <futhin> nothing at all
11:44:56 <futhin> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-04-16&res=l
12:02:46 <I440r> 1.04b now in /pub
12:15:49 <onetom> me back
12:16:15 <I440r> :)
12:16:16 <onetom> hopefully havent joint 2 the army :) yet
12:16:26 <I440r> i just put the latest isforth in /pub
12:16:31 <I440r> heh
12:16:40 <I440r> i would join the army now if i could:)
12:16:50 <I440r> shoot me some osama's heheh
12:17:01 <onetom> :)))
12:17:15 <I440r> i added cursor control and ansi colour output
12:17:19 <I440r> and a status line
12:17:30 <onetom> and why couldnt u join?
12:17:54 <onetom> how can i try the new features?
12:17:59 <I440r> im almost 40 :P
12:18:06 <I440r> by downloading the new forth eh
12:18:21 <I440r> ftp 67.241.42.112
12:19:21 <onetom> no, imeant, wheather u have some example code
12:19:35 <onetom> i can test new features with
12:20:03 <I440r> oh
12:20:06 <onetom> your address is just transparent in irc
12:20:07 <onetom> [09:18] [I440r] is ~mark4@11Cust112.tnt2.bloomington.in.temp.da.uu.net mark4  
12:20:12 <I440r> theres some in hello.f
12:20:19 <onetom> i always use that
12:20:32 <I440r> look in term.f for all the defined words
12:20:42 <onetom> whats that mansong?
12:20:45 <I440r> right now the clear screen word is called "ed"
12:20:55 <I440r> which is going to be the word to "edit" a file with
12:21:00 <I440r> ed means erase display heh
12:21:06 <onetom> and which 1 is the newest isforth?
12:21:07 <I440r> its the terminfo name for it
12:21:12 <I440r> 1.04b
12:21:15 <onetom> isforth-1.04b.tgz?
12:21:29 <onetom> but ive also dl it some days b4
12:21:44 <onetom> so it was just a prerelease :)
12:22:18 <I440r> yes - this has ansi stuff - th eone i gave you didnt
12:22:23 <I440r> that was definatly a "pre" release heh
12:22:54 <onetom> ed :))) silly name
12:23:29 <I440r> all the cursor control escape sequences have funny names :P
12:24:26 <onetom> u shouldnt immortalize that awkward terminfo heritage
12:24:37 <I440r> have to
12:24:38 <I440r> well
12:24:49 <I440r> i made 'at' an alias for csr heh
12:24:56 <I440r> erm no
12:24:57 <I440r> not csr
12:24:59 <I440r> let me thing
12:25:04 <I440r> csr is set scroll region
12:25:05 <I440r> erm
12:25:21 <I440r> grr i forget the one to position cursor heh
12:25:36 <I440r> ive tested it in console, xterm, eterm and aterm
12:29:26 <onetom> i always get
12:29:27 <onetom> make[1]: *** Warning: File `syscalls.1' has modification time in the future (2002-03-18 21:28:48 > 2002-03-18 21:28:46)
12:29:50 <onetom> when i try 2 compile the code i get from u
12:30:03 <onetom> what date server r u synchronizing to?
12:31:24 <I440r> do a make clean
12:31:39 <I440r> then do a touch * in the asmsrc dir
12:36:12 <onetom> it doesnt help
12:36:35 <onetom> but im so tired that im nearly dead
12:36:55 <I440r> cd into isforth dir
12:37:00 <I440r> to toucn -R *
12:37:04 <I440r> io think -R is right
12:37:09 * onetom could fall in sleep in any moment
12:37:52 <onetom> eh, its fucked up some how
12:38:19 <I440r> it should still work :P
12:38:35 <onetom> probably the problem is caused by mounting the /home thruough nfs
12:39:00 <I440r> eep! dump nfs - get samba!
12:39:28 <onetom> but all in the earlier cases, i could get rid of this problem
12:39:35 <onetom> but now im too tired, i guess
12:39:37 <I440r> heh
12:39:45 <onetom> and samba is terribly slow
12:40:40 <onetom> i send my best wishes to futhin, but i cant chat w him, coz /me dog tired
12:40:53 <onetom> I440r: plz tell it to him
12:41:16 <I440r> :)
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12:44:13 <qless> howdy folks
12:44:34 <I440r> hi qless
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12:45:50 <qmore> eterm, aterm?
12:47:07 <I440r> eterm is the terminal used by Enlightenment 
12:47:13 <I440r> i use it in windowmaker too
12:47:19 <qmore> what about kdeterm and gnome-terminal
12:47:31 <I440r> i dont have bloatware like kde or gnome installed
12:47:37 <I440r> if you got those - test isforth for me :)
12:47:56 <qmore> kde is a bit bloated, but gnome is divine
12:49:45 <qmore> besides you gotta like a program that calls funcs in 54 shared libs :-)
12:50:08 <futhin> don't waste your time with gnome either, http://ratpoison.sf.net
12:51:18 <I440r> futhin grab the latest :P
12:51:37 <qmore> sounds nice, but i like my wm dock apps, and when you've got 256MB, one can spare >1MB for a window manager
12:51:46 <qmore> <
12:53:12 <I440r> qmore use windowmaker :P
12:53:18 <I440r> gnome is a pile of shit :P
12:53:20 <qmore> i do use windowmaker
12:53:27 <I440r> looks like windows and falls over just as often!
12:53:29 <I440r> ohhh!
12:53:32 <I440r> u got my dockapp ??? :)P
12:53:40 <qmore> you have a dockapp?
12:54:06 <I440r> hehe
12:54:12 <I440r> dns me. ftp to my ip
12:54:17 <qmore> from a programmer's persepctive, gnome is quite nice, but i don't bother with midnight commander or other luser-level shit
12:54:18 <I440r> look nin /pub for wmdots :)
13:08:16 <I440r> u get wmdots ?
13:08:30 <qmore> i did, do i need wmdots.gif too?
13:10:48 <qmore> i440r, ok, running it now... can u tell me what i'm looking at?
13:11:39 <I440r> it just does 3d rotating dots
13:11:40 <futhin> qmore: who the hell touches midnight commander?  why are you even bringing it up? heh
13:11:55 <I440r> it predates wmcube by 2 years i believe
13:12:05 <I440r> it does multiple shapes too. its just cool :)
13:12:09 <I440r> i use mc
13:12:23 <futhin> hehe :P
13:12:27 <futhin> i just use the console
13:12:28 <futhin> bash
13:12:31 <futhin> good enuff for me
13:12:45 <I440r> i use that too but mc has a useful feature if you know how to enable it
13:12:46 <I440r> mc
13:12:48 <qmore> you doo?  well you said, the gnome window manager, and i thought gmc, but i didn't even know there was a gnome  window manager
13:12:59 <I440r> move /usr/foo/blay/xyz/1/2/3/4/5
13:13:02 <I440r> press f10
13:13:07 <I440r> and your in that directory heh
13:13:11 <I440r> very easy to cd :)
13:13:15 <qmore> cool
13:13:35 <I440r> i was going to add user defineable shapes to it :)
13:13:38 <I440r> might still do so
13:13:47 <qmore> i'm an xterm guy myself.  was a straight tty/console guy for years and years
13:14:41 <qmore> the nice thing about linux virtual consoles is that you can put one version of a file on on tty, and another version in another tty, and flip back and forth to see the differences in context
13:14:58 <I440r> i use windowmaker alot but 99% of the stuff i do is in an eterm heh
13:15:20 <I440r> i dont like xterm
13:15:25 <I440r> or aterm
13:15:50 <I440r> fu did you get isforeth 1.04b ?
13:15:52 <qmore> its basic.  slim.  and the unicode version displays japanese for me
13:16:47 <qmore> the kde term takes more than 10 seconds to start the first time, even on a 1.4 GHz box.  crazy
13:17:15 <I440r> q is japanese ?
13:17:25 <qmore> no i'm not japanese, but i can read it
13:17:26 <I440r> eterm can display kanji
13:17:34 <qmore> that'll work
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13:25:53 <qmore> whoa, rob_ert must have pissed the wrong person off :-)
13:26:15 <SoapZZzz> :/
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13:26:28 <qmore> wb soaptick
13:27:57 <Soap`> Hang on, I think I need to install some coffee.
13:31:47 <futhin> yeah? but what if you want to uninstall coffee, smokes, and alcohol?
13:32:10 <qmore> futhin, are you muslim?
13:32:44 <I440r> coffee is NOT uninstallable
13:32:51 <I440r> anyone who uninstalls coffe is a fool :P
13:32:55 <I440r> coffe is a staple!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:33:15 <futhin> qmore: no
13:33:17 <futhin> lol
13:33:20 <qmore> right next to puff pastry, gum, pop tarts, and microwave eggrolls
13:33:54 <futhin> i drink alcohol, but i'm trying to cut back :P
13:34:57 <qmore> hard to write programs on alcohol
13:35:03 <futhin> also need to cut back on food, period :P
13:36:39 <I440r> futhin is fufat ?
13:37:01 <futhin> heh
13:37:04 <futhin> no, not really
13:37:17 <futhin> just chubby
13:37:56 <I440r> bloatware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:37:56 <I440r> HEH
13:38:06 <I440r> u need to eat less and run 50 miles every day before breakfast :)
13:38:13 <I440r> then 50 miles again before you go to bed :)
13:38:17 <I440r> thats what i do!
13:38:18 <I440r> honest :)
13:38:46 * qmore puts scorpions in i440r's jogging shoes
13:38:54 <I440r> they wont touch me
13:39:00 <I440r> i AM a scorpio :)
13:39:07 <futhin> i was running about 6 miles every two days.. last year
13:39:34 <futhin> naw, more like 5 miles prolly
13:40:04 <I440r> neway i gtg
13:40:15 <I440r> got guns to clean grrr
13:40:18 <I440r> i hate cleaning guns
13:40:20 <I440r> bbl
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13:52:01 <Speuler> hi rob_ert
13:52:08 <Speuler> hi 1tom
13:52:11 <rob__ert> Hi :)
13:52:14 <Speuler> hi rob___ert
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13:56:33 <Etaoin> hi
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14:59:21 <Etaoin> hello
15:01:21 <rob_ert> Hi.
15:02:48 <Etaoin> I'm a little bored
15:02:52 <rob_ert> :-(
15:02:55 <rob_ert> Not good.
15:03:05 <rob_ert> I always have 5 times more to do than what I get time for.
15:03:33 <Etaoin> I could do some stuff. I just don't want to work
15:03:45 <Etaoin> s/bored/lethargic/
15:04:24 <Etaoin> I want the satisfaction of working on something cool without having to think about that thing
15:04:55 <rob_ert> Hmm..
15:05:06 <rob_ert> I guess that's quite hard to achieve.
15:05:17 <Etaoin> yes
15:05:24 <Etaoin> impossible, probably
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16:43:31 <futhin> time to code, bwahahahaahhaha!
17:02:45 <Etaoin> hooray
17:17:13 <Speuler> g'd night
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18:40:50 <Etaoin> hi again
18:42:07 <futhin> hm
18:42:08 <futhin> i'm bored
18:42:14 <futhin> no action on this channel heh :P
18:42:21 <futhin> what's up etaoin?
18:42:26 <futhin> coding lots of forth?
18:42:30 <futhin> anyhthing new?
18:43:10 <Etaoin> coding no forth
18:43:39 <Etaoin> pondering how to bootstrap the namespace on my lisp and studying some go.
18:44:10 <Etaoin> s/bootstrap the namespace/elegantly bootstrap the namespace/
18:47:42 <Etaoin> I want to have as little as possible built in
18:48:02 <futhin> i'm studying Go too!
18:48:10 <futhin> that is
18:48:15 <futhin> i picked up 3 books on it
18:48:21 <futhin> 2-3 days ago
18:48:27 <futhin> haven't actually looked at the books yet
18:48:35 <Etaoin> I haven't done that. I'm just learning how to play, basically
18:48:43 <futhin> because i picked up 20 other books :P
18:48:54 <futhin> at the library
18:48:59 <Etaoin> I know all the rules, but I don't know the strategy that you use to play the game
18:49:19 <futhin> there's not many rules right? :)
18:49:25 <Etaoin> no
18:49:29 <futhin> like 4 or 5 :P
18:57:15 <futhin> bwahaha
18:57:18 <futhin> i'm going to play go on yahoo!
19:02:07 <Etaoin> okay
19:02:48 <Etaoin> want to play with me?
19:08:06 <Etaoin> I guess you're already going at it
19:15:16 <futhin> i'm reading the rules heh :P
19:15:27 <futhin> and then next i'm going to read strategy
19:15:53 <futhin> http://games.yahoo.com/games/helphub.html?page=go
19:18:28 <Etaoin> better not be a java thing
19:20:25 <futhin> nope
19:20:31 <futhin> it's just html
19:20:34 <futhin> on go
19:20:36 <futhin> rules & strategy
19:32:23 <Etaoin> playing yourself is fun
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20:00:41 <futhin> hello aaronl
20:00:45 <futhin> long time no see
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