00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.12.29 01:09:46 * SeaForth believes toileto humor is good for the digestion process 01:14:31 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 01:18:28 SeaForth: :) 01:51:12 --- quit: SeaForth (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:00:34 --- join: SeaForth (~todd@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:41:18 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 05:38:10 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 05:41:38 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-69-155-177-153.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:43:38 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 06:05:10 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 06:11:23 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-68-95-248-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:35:17 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 07:01:02 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 07:01:20 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-68-95-248-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:15:48 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 08:03:36 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 08:11:35 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:23:46 I made this site yesterday: http://takethis.org/ 08:28:25 Cool 08:28:30 And a very good idea 08:32:31 SeaForth: I've done a fair amount of playing with OpenFirmware. 09:16:35 --- join: fmacs (BenjaminMe@68.187.224.130) joined #forth 09:33:27 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-68-95-248-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 09:58:39 --- join: swsch (~stefan@swsch.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) joined #forth 10:10:36 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 10:15:25 --- join: swarm (~swarm@host5-125.pool80181.interbusiness.it) joined #forth 10:16:29 Hi 10:27:13 hello 10:27:52 --- join: arke (f2@bespin.org) joined #forth 10:33:39 Hi 10:35:51 teh hies robtrob 10:40:08 I got the book today! 10:40:17 A lot of cool info on computers. 10:40:25 cool 10:40:30 whats it called? 10:40:32 Or "automatic digital calculators". 10:40:33 swedish or english? 10:40:38 (that's the title) 10:40:38 lol 10:40:40 English. 10:40:45 aaah. 10:40:45 :) 10:40:45 neat 10:40:51 Written in 1952, published in 53 10:41:36 He says that he's hoping that "so-called semi-conductors" will become reliable enough to use in the automatic digital calculators. 10:41:46 haha 10:41:52 There are TONS of interesting and ancient technologies in there. 10:42:19 cool 10:42:31 Yep. 10:42:38 Hopefully I can get some ideas. 10:43:31 for another brainfuck computer? ^_^ 10:43:44 ...right. 10:44:01 Nah, this time I'll make something useful. 10:44:12 Or find out why people don't use discrete transistors anymore. 10:47:41 http://www.forthos.org/ 10:47:48 that looks very interesting 10:48:37 Cool 10:56:24 Robert: wheres your pub dir? 10:56:44 Don't have any..why? 10:58:09 Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 10:58:10 but 10:58:11 but 10:58:11 but 10:58:17 your pub dir was leet! 10:58:26 Yep, so leet that I keep it to myself 10:58:26 robert.zizi.org/pub was the best place on the net! 10:58:27 :) 10:58:34 What did you want from it? 11:00:16 EVERYTHING 11:00:33 ...I see. 11:00:39 Well, time for Robert to sleep 11:02:59 good night robtrob 11:22:47 tathi 11:23:26 I'm interested to know if the OF with my eMac G4 7455 system is usable as a forth or is a minimal forth interpreter just to get hardware rolling and let the MacOS take over. 11:25:24 the OF on my sparc, which predates your mac, is useable as a Forth, so yours most likely is too. 11:26:14 --- quit: swarm () 11:32:36 --- quit: arke ("Lost terminal") 11:44:02 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 11:47:26 SeaForth: it should be usable as a forth. 11:47:57 I have a dual-G4 PowerMac (7410) and it is totally usable as a forth. 11:48:13 I think it's not quite ANSI standard in a couple of places. 11:50:27 ok, tathi, pretty easy to boot into? I'm not familiar with the commands or key sequences to get into OF on my Mac. 11:50:38 Apple-Option-O-F 11:51:01 hold it down while you boot, it will come up with a prompt telling you to release the keys 11:51:17 whereupon it will drop you in to a forth prompt. 11:51:19 ok, thanks, that is very helpful. 11:51:57 tathi, do you happen to know since when this key combination has been working? 11:52:53 swsch, have you tried it and not seen it work? 11:53:23 no. I just want to find out if I'm in for a cool surprise the next time I visit my dad :-) 11:53:55 swsch: any Mac that has Open Firmware 11:54:10 which is all PowerMacs that are NOT NuBus based. 11:54:34 so really new world macs? 11:54:43 err, yeah. 11:54:55 why didn't I think of that? 11:54:58 what about early iMacs? 11:55:13 I'm about to rebootski. Have to anyway, my HD filled up last night with PPC linux isos, FreeBSD, DebianPPC, YDL... 11:55:28 I _think_ all the iMacs have it. 11:55:41 But I really haven't paid all that much attention to the history. 11:56:42 * tathi really likes OF. 11:56:57 mine doesn't have a disassembler, but other than that... 11:57:00 a big grin is spreading on somebodys face :-) 11:57:15 heh 11:57:57 I wrote a qwerty->dvorak translation routine at one point 11:58:08 And then stored it in the nvram so it always got run 11:58:52 swsch, all iMacs have OF. and it's less buggy than the beige powermac OF 11:58:58 tathi, have you thought about doing a little 'howto' for OF mac users, kinda like "Hey, you got a FORTH built in, try and use it" 11:59:11 SeaForth: there is a bunch of stuff out there 11:59:16 a sparcclassic has better OF than a mac though 11:59:40 OrngeTide: yeah, I seem to recall a couple of places where mine doesn't conform to the standard. 12:00:46 my brother-in-law has an old sparc somewhere ... what's the key code there? 12:00:48 i've got all the stuff on order to put compactflash in my sparcclassic so I can hack forth without listening to a screaming scsi drive. it'll be like a little grayscale forth workstation 12:01:07 swsch, hold stop-a 12:01:12 SeaForth: IIRC http://www.firmworks.com has a nice quick-ref 12:01:14 now that is neat. 12:01:23 you can just hit stop-a anytime. even inside the OS 12:01:42 funny key-names they have ... but I guess it makes sense :-) 12:02:01 swsch, sun keyboards have a bunch of extra keys. 12:02:13 can you reenter the SunOS just as easily? 12:02:31 you can type bye and i think get back into the OS. 12:02:38 now that is HOT! 12:02:46 i tried it on netbsd and it hung though. i dunno if sunos likes it better 12:03:02 never looked at them ... when the box was running, it's keyboard was way back under the table and we used ssh on it... 12:03:07 wouldn't that be slick to be able to have drive access too from within the SunOF, maybe even a little partition magic just for OF 12:03:20 i think it works on sunos cuz i recall someone telling me they use it as a calculator 12:03:33 SeaForth, you do have drive access. you can read/write blocks 12:03:40 i think someone ported VIBE to OF 12:03:44 (vi block editor) 12:05:01 sunOF can load COFF executables. read the partitions, etc. I think macOF can read HFS filesystems too 12:05:25 sunOF can probably read UFS or whatever. but I have my box all formatted with FFS 12:06:12 that is that rumor of a $500 headless mac g4. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0412expo2.html .. that would be a nice forth computer. it's really small 12:07:15 I saw the little headless image somewhere on a site yesterday, looks like a vertical pizzabox microat design. IMHO, a set top box revisited. It indeed may be time to save some pennies. I like the idea, as long as it has SVGA out. 12:12:19 bbiab 12:12:24 OF time on eMacski 12:12:28 --- quit: SeaForth ("Leaving") 12:13:18 yea it should have dvi and/or svga out. it's basically an eMac without a monitor. I think it even has the same crappy videocard as the eMac. 12:13:29 where did you find the headless image? 12:13:32 oh you left. bah 12:55:01 sure is quiet 13:28:43 --- quit: OrngeTide ("Changing server") 13:28:43 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 14:25:31 * crc is back for a few minutes 14:34:11 --- quit: OrngeTide ("hacking") 14:46:58 * swsch is away: going ... going ... gone. 16:59:35 goodnight 17:11:10 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 17:22:47 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 17:27:48 --- join: swsch_ (~stefan@p3E9BE0B9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 17:44:14 --- quit: swsch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:45:28 --- quit: saon ("Leaving") 17:52:35 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 18:12:56 --- join: Testament (CapStone@cs24160141-160.satx.rr.com) joined #forth 18:30:07 --- quit: p-Imperator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:37:47 --- join: SeaForth (~todd@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:38:22 Hi 19:40:33 --- quit: OrngeTide ("brb") 19:57:00 --- quit: Frek ("Remote closed the connection") 19:58:35 --- join: orange_ (orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 19:58:35 --- join: Frek (16096-iden@h229n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 19:58:40 --- nick: orange_ -> OrngeTide 20:00:50 Hi 20:52:22 --- join: rsync (nobody@CPE000c41aac435-CM00111ae4f4cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.12.29