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00:46:18 <GrayGnome> alexand3r: Yeah.
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01:02:32 <alexand3r> GrayGnome: under POSIX you can call mkdir(2) using the foreign function interface code.
01:02:57 <alexand3r> also there's mkdir.fs if you just want to use something already provided.
01:04:15 <alexand3r> and.. what do you know, there's a =mkdir word now.
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11:57:53 <GrayGnome> I guess the stock gForth that comes with Ubuntu doesn't have =mkdir hm.
12:43:49 <ASau> I wouldn't be surprised if they still ship 0.6.2 or even 0.5.0
12:44:36 <alexand3r> GrayGnome: you should have mkdir.fs, which you can include.
12:44:56 <GrayGnome> They have some ancient version.
12:45:03 <GrayGnome> 0.6.2
12:49:25 * ASau wonders why not 0.5.0.
12:49:33 <GrayGnome> Heh.
12:51:14 <GrayGnome> About how many words is your average good forth word?
12:53:31 <ASau> It depends.
12:54:26 <ASau> You can't write search loops in less than 7 words.
12:55:03 <GrayGnome> So 10 words on average?
12:55:17 <ASau> This isn't "average."
12:55:25 <GrayGnome> Heh.
12:55:44 <ASau> It all depends on your code.
12:56:08 <ASau> If you write many search loops, then you have this limitation in 7-9 words minimal.
12:57:20 <ASau> And then all those, who claim that good code is one line or two lines per definition,
12:57:20 <ASau> go to hell with their claims.
12:57:51 <ASau> You can reply that they don't write real-world code and be right.
12:58:04 <GrayGnome> Ah that's the answer I needed.
12:58:14 <GrayGnome> Because yeah, that claim sounds pretty ... dumb.
12:59:46 <ASau> This limit (2 lines per definition) is realistic, but it is very hard to reach.
13:00:18 <ASau> You have to introduce one-time factors, which is close to stupid.
14:05:52 <segher> about half of my definitions are 4 or 5 words long
14:06:13 <segher> the rest are two or three (or sometimes more) lines of simple stuff
14:06:41 <segher> having it as a goal to make short definitions is pretty stupid
14:07:01 <segher> the goal is to make an easily readable program
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14:31:08 <loop-hog> ho
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14:35:59 <loop-hog> hi
14:36:24 <Deformative> o/
14:37:00 <loop-hog> I'm having fun with WinHTTP
14:37:27 <loop-hog> I have finally, just now been successful, for the first time in my life,  loging into ZenCart from SwiftForth
14:38:37 <loop-hog> I'm not sure how much I care, but in using  Live HTTP headers  for FireFox  there is an intermediate header with a 302 code in it
14:38:54 <loop-hog> which I am not seeing in my SwiftForth window
14:39:15 <loop-hog> But I am still getting the page that was behind the login screen
14:39:27 <loop-hog> tinker tinker
14:42:03 <loop-hog> I'm not sure how importiant it is, but the cookie gets set twice, once in my first access to ZenCart, and then again once I get logged in
14:42:31 <loop-hog> if I need the second cookie value, then I'll need to get the header with the 302 code in it  :/
14:52:09 <Deformative> Is there a minimalist cross platform framebuffer api somewhere?
14:57:50 <loop-hog> eh?
14:58:30 <loop-hog> I'm not sure what that means
14:59:11 <loop-hog> you mean so that people in both Windows and Unix can play at the same time?
15:01:43 <Deformative> loop-hog: Yes.
15:01:44 <loop-hog> I just used POST and it gave me the page, instead of having to do another request with a GET
15:01:58 <loop-hog> Well, that's a cute idea Deformative,  maybe one could be written
15:02:38 <Deformative> I suppose I could just use sdl or gtk.
15:02:43 <loop-hog> A Forth Lexicon with TWO source files, one for Unix and one for Windows.  The Windows version uses WinHTTP and the Unix version uses the equivelant
15:03:01 <loop-hog> whats sdl and gtk?
15:04:32 <loop-hog> isn't sdl just for graphics and sound?
15:04:34 <schmrkc> GTK is for making windows and GUI interfaces appear. SDL is a bit more 'gamey' crossplatform drawing.
15:04:43 <loop-hog> hmmm
15:04:52 <schmrkc> loop-hog: graphics + sound + keyboard/mouse/joystick input
15:05:07 <loop-hog> ok
15:05:10 <schmrkc> there's the opengl option too.
15:07:40 <Deformative> I just need somewhere I can allocate memory and rnder it to the screen.
15:07:45 <Deformative> But I might need more soon.
15:07:47 <Deformative> So sdl it is.
15:08:27 <loop-hog> what are you going to try with sdl?
15:12:08 <loop-hog> I wonder if Keep Alive has something to do with it
15:12:20 <loop-hog> I'm going to add that to mah headers and then see what happends
15:12:44 * schmrkc hopes Deformative needs it for a roguelike
15:14:17 <loop-hog> nope
15:14:22 <loop-hog> ROUGUELIKES  RULE!!!!!!
15:14:34 <loop-hog> it did the same thing
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15:16:02 <schmrkc> I have a roguelike I wrote in gforth + sdl somewhere.
15:16:09 <loop-hog> you implant your battle ax into the head of the Orc... the Orc Dies.... the Orc leave 2 copper pieces
15:16:18 <loop-hog> the 2 copper pieces are cursed
15:16:30 <Deformative> schmrkc: Rasterizer actually.
15:16:33 <loop-hog> I used to play Larn
15:18:29 <loop-hog> how much trouble would it be to get your roguelike to run in windows?
15:19:30 <schmrkc> loop-hog: I haven't a faintest idea. I haven't tried getting anything to work on windows since 2.0
15:19:46 <schmrkc> Deformative: gl there :)
15:20:40 <Deformative> schmrkc: I want to make a software rasterizer.
15:20:49 <Deformative> To emulate my hardware one I am making on an fpga.
15:20:55 <schmrkc> Deformative: fun (: (:
15:22:54 <Deformative> Hopefully.
15:34:32 <alexand3r> hey
15:38:11 <loop-hog> hi
15:38:19 <loop-hog> I got my thing to work
15:38:25 <loop-hog> that i was complaining about yesterday
15:39:22 <loop-hog> I had to create one request, parse it for a cookie and a security token, close that request, build a new one, and then use that with POST
15:39:26 <loop-hog> that seemed to have worked
15:39:34 <loop-hog> while before I was just using one request
15:41:18 <loop-hog> anyway
15:41:38 <alexand3r> nice
15:41:56 <loop-hog> I'm still missing a header though
15:42:14 <loop-hog> login in through Firefox gives me a header with a 302 code
15:42:30 <loop-hog> loging in with SwiftForth takes me directly to the admin page
15:42:43 <loop-hog> I'm pretty new to this sort of thing
15:43:01 <loop-hog> I don't know how vital getting to that header with the 302 is
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