00:00:00 --- log: started forth/17.01.11 00:05:21 I'm playing with pfe (portable forth environment) and I have strange reaction 00:05:22 "10 constant name name ." ------- gives me 10 00:05:22 "10 variable name2 name2 @ ." -------- gives me 0 and 10 still on stack 00:05:22 is it pfe's thing or somewhere in "ANS" variable can't be initialized with value on creation? 00:05:36 --- join: Mat4 (~claude4@ip5b41030d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 00:06:14 --- quit: Mat4 (Client Quit) 00:06:27 nerfur: weird 00:07:30 nerfur: it is ans that a variable is not initialized on creation: http://lars.nocrew.org/dpans/dpans6.htm#6.1.2410 00:07:48 http://pfe.sourceforge.net/pfe-manual/ch01s06.html#id372677 00:07:50 ^ yup 00:07:53 weirdass shite 00:08:32 koisoke, gordonjcp: yeah, found it, as often happen when you ask question you find answer yourself ;) I'm reading "fig-forth based" book 00:20:59 nerfur: as is so often the case 00:37:32 you dont initialize a variable like that 00:37:41 variable foo 10 foo ! 00:38:07 its not an ans or pfe thing, its a forth thing 00:38:27 variable blah just CREATES a variable and allots its body (where the value is stored) 00:38:43 if you do variable foo foo @ you are not guaranteed any specific value 00:43:34 mark4: it's an ANS forth thing 00:44:22 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00:45:32 n VARIABLE name is a fig thing 01:20:32 --- quit: mnemnia (Remote host closed the connection) 02:32:50 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: Page closed) 02:37:43 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 02:44:42 I'm curious how realistic is to do something like DIY forth mobile phone 02:44:58 simple one, with hardware qwerty, call,sms, address book 03:06:44 nerfur: It would be difficult to get your forth operating system on one of those Qualcomm chipsets, but you could do something like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/ArduinoPhone-20-an-Open-Source-Mobile-Phone-Based-/ and have voice, sms, and address book and perhaps more. 03:08:26 interesting, good that there are some consumer available parts, thanks for url 03:13:22 nerfur: amForth has support for the gBoard Pro https://www.itead.cc/wiki/Gboard_Pro which uses the SIM900 GSM/GPRS radio. 03:13:23 I once scrolled through the Russian RoboForum with Google Translate to collect the source code listings for it. I think you will have no problem reading the russian though :) 03:13:23 http://roboforum.ru/forum58/topic4406-180.html 03:13:23 roboforum.ru seems to have quite a strong Forth community. 03:15:20 wow, this gboard pro really looks like "ready" phone mboard :-D 03:19:02 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03:19:33 "embedded" or "radio amateurity" (and this means not only radio) always was popular in USSR/ex-USSR and forth as good language for this surely has some popularity at "scene" too. and roboforum surely looks like embed-lovers forum :-D 03:23:46 ...By the time I was incorporating it into my Forth based cranberry bog remote sensing network they had implemented drivers for the SMS features, I don't know whether the Russian Forthers have gotten around to voice and TCP/IP data yet, but, the SIM900 supports it. 03:23:46 By the way does the Russian FIG have meetups? https://www.forth.org.ru/ 03:32:36 --- join: nighty (~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 03:34:14 I don't think about meetups, community is too small and spread, at least I didn't hear about them, and tbh ex-ussr don't have so big culture of "meetups"/"cons" 03:36:58 btw, did you organize your huge books/disk "income" from one of publishers? or I recall something wrong? 03:40:13 --- quit: dual (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:06:31 nerfur: Yes, that was me. I still have 120 square feet (or 11.1484 square meters) of Forth books and materials in storage. Since I last wrote about it here, it has all been sorted and cataloged in a Google Spreadsheet. 04:06:31 https://goo.gl/photos/kEN9WW7oYZmYfyAE9 04:06:31 https://goo.gl/photos/Ca5DnnmJgADbV28q7 04:06:31 https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNfq5ac8IqIUz-Q9MindNtYd4Me2a2CWZpmfuaCHGMY6n8mUDPhxVoJKFy8T5Uwbw/photo/AF1QipMzu6y6tqHBctxkz81uA2t6xdCr2Ms4UsmOJkPs?key=RUZMek9KWjNuaG1XcmV2R0d4THNMMkk0ZTFKQTlB 04:06:31 From left-to-right, that's Kevin Appert (SVFIG program chair), John Harbold (interested in object-oriented Forth), me holding the sign, and Brad Nelson (known for Forth Haiku). 04:06:31 Kevin Appert says we now need to fulfill an obligation to the Computer History Museum in California and give some copies to the Internet Archive and others before releasing the full list. I just returned to the San Francisco area from Boston so I can do that now. 04:06:31 I haven't forgotten, nerfur, I will indeed send you a big box of Forth goods after that. 04:13:02 > give some copies to the Internet Archive 04:13:02 very important step, like really 04:13:52 as retro lover I already start to feel horrible effect of "information decay" 04:50:29 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: http://corewar.co.uk) 06:12:40 --- join: dual (~bonafide@cpe-74-75-153-119.maine.res.rr.com) joined #forth 06:34:32 --- quit: dual (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:55:05 --- join: rgrinberg (~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 07:09:25 --- join: beretta (~beretta@cpe-184-58-116-76.columbus.res.rr.com) joined #forth 07:19:12 ouch https://www.rfc1149.net/devel/aforth.html 07:21:09 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@212.225.83.98) joined #forth 07:38:53 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:586e:4f5c:2bbf:401f) joined #forth 07:43:12 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08:07:00 --- quit: Uniju (Quit: Feeling down? You may already be a charge target.) 08:08:49 For some reason that took me to http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html the first time I clicked it, but not the second time... weird. 08:19:20 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@138-229-170-157.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 08:38:29 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 08:58:13 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.222.10) joined #forth 09:25:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:586e:4f5c:2bbf:401f) joined #forth 09:40:16 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 10:15:34 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@104.6.70.118) joined #forth 10:56:21 --- quit: rgrinberg (Remote host closed the connection) 11:07:44 --- join: rgrinberg (~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 11:13:11 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 11:20:57 --- quit: a3f (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in) 11:23:23 --- join: a3f (~a3f@unaffiliated/a3f) joined #forth 11:30:18 --- join: impomatic (~impomatic@host86-190-54-160.range86-190.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 12:24:13 --- quit: rgrinberg (Remote host closed the connection) 12:28:10 --- join: rgrinberg (~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 12:35:36 --- quit: nighty (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 12:49:45 --- join: dual (~bonafide@cpe-74-75-153-119.maine.res.rr.com) joined #forth 13:34:15 --- join: Mat4 (~claude4@91.64.149.84) joined #forth 13:58:11 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 13:59:32 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:19:35 --- quit: Mat4 (Quit: Leaving) 14:40:54 --- join: zincing (~zincing@2a03:1b20:2:f702::7de) joined #forth 15:03:31 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@static-72-88-80-103.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:09:23 --- quit: rgrinberg (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15:54:32 --- quit: dual (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15:54:43 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 16:33:22 --- join: wa5qjh (~Thunderbi@121.54.90.130) joined #forth 17:15:11 --- quit: wa5qjh (Remote host closed the connection) 17:18:07 --- join: nighty (~nighty@p001.gate.atson.jp) joined #forth 17:22:30 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 17:24:19 --- join: dual (~bonafide@cpe-74-75-153-119.maine.res.rr.com) joined #forth 17:35:36 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:608f:d012:5701:cffc) joined #forth 17:39:53 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 18:09:38 --- join: neceve (~ncv@79.115.225.255) joined #forth 18:09:39 --- quit: neceve (Changing host) 18:09:39 --- join: neceve (~ncv@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 18:17:16 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:643:8102:7c95:608f:d012:5701:cffc) joined #forth 19:23:05 --- quit: John[Lisbeth] (Remote host closed the connection) 19:24:16 --- join: John[Lisbeth] (~user@40.86.75.178) joined #forth 19:27:45 --- quit: John[Lisbeth] (Remote host closed the connection) 19:32:48 --- join: John[Lisbeth] (~user@40.86.75.178) joined #forth 19:34:04 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 20:02:00 --- join: rgrinberg (~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 20:32:25 --- quit: nighty (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20:36:15 --- join: roboguy` (~roboguy_@cpe-98-156-12-59.kc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 20:46:50 --- quit: neceve (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 20:50:31 --- join: nighty (~nighty@fp76f0d516.tkyc507.ap.nuro.jp) joined #forth 21:26:48 --- quit: dual (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21:28:32 --- join: dual (~bonafide@cpe-74-75-153-119.maine.res.rr.com) joined #forth 21:43:32 --- quit: nighty (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:45:31 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@14.207.8.5) joined #forth 21:45:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 21:57:39 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22:03:36 --- quit: rgrinberg (Remote host closed the connection) 22:04:58 --- join: nighty (~nighty@p001.gate.atson.jp) joined #forth 22:13:24 --- join: true-grue (~true-grue@176.14.222.10) joined #forth 22:13:33 --- join: proteusguy (~proteus-g@14.207.8.5) joined #forth 22:13:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 22:13:52 --- quit: mark4 (Quit: Leaving) 22:15:31 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 22:36:52 --- quit: roboguy` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:37:38 --- join: roboguy` (~roboguy_@cpe-98-156-12-59.kc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 22:44:57 very interesting... 22:50:33 --- quit: zincing (Quit: Leaving) 23:02:39 morning 23:11:35 nerfur, Most active russian forthers personally know each other. I had a chance to meet with Andrew Cherezov (SP-Forth), Michel Montvelisky (Ultra Technology, IntellaSys) and some others. I have a plan to meet with Baranov in this month (the author of the famous Forth textbook). 23:17:26 yeah, personally, but we talk about making "big" meetups (if I understood pointfree question correctly) 23:20:29 morning, gordonjcp 23:33:09 I think with the modern technology us forthers need to rally together on the interwebs 23:33:22 I just got a fleece vest I am ready for this 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/17.01.11