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12:33:45 <Mat2> hi @ all
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13:53:31 <Mat2> hi tangentstorm
13:54:45 <tangentstorm> heya
13:55:01 <tangentstorm> how goes it, Mat2 ?
13:55:06 <Mat2> what's up ?
13:55:43 <tangentstorm> still just trying to get this database thing out the door.
13:56:14 <tangentstorm> i put a bunch of retro and pascal stuff up here: http://tangentstorm.github.io/#sec-2
13:56:51 <Mat2> I'm using the CDP core for implementing an block editor as interface for Saiwa (in tradition to colorForth)
13:57:48 <Mat2> nice web design !
13:57:55 <tangentstorm> :)
13:58:05 <tangentstorm> thanks
13:58:24 <tangentstorm> the thing i'm messing with is all about block-based storage too..
13:58:35 <tangentstorm> http://tangentstorm.github.io/mr.pas.html
13:59:39 <tangentstorm> it's a mess...don't try to read it too closely :)
14:01:42 <Mat2> hmm, it seems you working on an index based appoach
14:02:21 <tangentstorm> yeah. like a relational database
14:03:08 <Mat2> for this an effective join algorithm is important
14:04:28 <tangentstorm> yeah, but i haven't even gotten that far
14:05:15 <Mat2> you can use sets and trust the internal handling of FreePascal
14:06:55 <Mat2> can I use your css file for a new version of my Saiwa page ?
14:07:10 <tangentstorm> :) knock yourself out.
14:09:23 <Mat2> sorry, what does this mean ?
14:12:54 <tangentstorm> oh :)
14:12:58 <tangentstorm> it means yes, go ahead.
14:13:05 <Mat2> ah ok :)
14:13:11 <tangentstorm> no idea where that phrase comes from
14:13:20 <tangentstorm> just something people say here :)
14:15:50 <Mat2> it translate to a phrase in (southern) german with meaning: Kill yourself before I will
14:16:43 <tangentstorm> !!!
14:17:31 <tangentstorm> sorry! :D
14:17:40 <tangentstorm> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knock%20yourself%20out
14:20:16 <Mat2> I have bookmarked the site
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14:27:36 <Mat2> well, my internet connection is somewhat instabil at moment it seems
14:27:37 <Mat2> ^instable
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14:43:06 <Mat2>  tangentstorm: I want to use blocks but with screen editing support
14:47:45 <tangentstorm> i wrote a very primitive editor... i don't know if it's useful to you
14:48:38 <tangentstorm> https://github.com/sabren/b4/blob/master/go/bed.pas
14:48:54 <tangentstorm> there's also one in retro
14:49:31 <tangentstorm> mine is pretty terrible but it uses that crt interface and has color :)
14:50:16 <tangentstorm> hrm. i take that back, it uses vt, which is the retroterm-style color thing.
14:52:45 <Mat2> your handling of control characters is interesting
14:52:45 <Mat2> the retro editor is a traditional line-oriented one as in FIG forth
14:53:31 <Mat2> I'm more interested in screen editors
14:54:15 <Mat2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bSxUMa_jdw
14:54:24 <Mat2> ^like this one
14:56:39 <tangentstorm> groovy soundtrack
14:56:46 <tangentstorm> i don't think you've seen the retro editor in a while
14:58:02 <Mat2> sure, not found it in the newer versions
15:09:22 <Mat2> exist there newer versions ?
15:11:42 <tangentstorm> the one in the main repository has a 2d screen and a cursor you can move around
15:12:05 <tangentstorm> http://tangentstorm.github.io/bled.rx.html#sec-1 <- i changed the keys but otherwise it's pretty much the same
15:12:39 <Mat2> ehm, sorry, I will take a look :)
15:12:53 <tangentstorm> (hit "X" to see the whole thing at once on one page)
15:13:03 <tangentstorm> unfortunate that it shows the keys on the first page there... :)
15:21:17 <Mat2> ok, it basical works beside that ANSI escape-sequences are ignored
15:28:44 <tangentstorm> which?
15:29:25 <tangentstorm> bed.pas?
15:29:44 <Mat2> no the rtero versions
15:29:51 <tangentstorm> oh
15:29:59 <Mat2> ^retro
15:30:00 <tangentstorm> yeah it has to run inside an ansi terminal
15:30:36 <tangentstorm> hrm...
15:30:49 <tangentstorm> actually maybe it only requires port 8 (enhanced terminal)
15:32:33 <tangentstorm> ... i guess it just clears the screen and redraws for each key.
15:33:33 <tangentstorm> where are the ansi escape sequences?
15:34:02 <Mat2> there print out to screen
15:38:02 <tangentstorm> what's generating them though?
15:38:30 <Mat2> if I press one cursor key for example
15:39:01 <tangentstorm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~crc-x/retro-language/retro/view/head:/examples/editor.rx
15:39:21 <tangentstorm> oh it doesn't support the cursor keys
15:39:39 <tangentstorm> so i'm guessing your terminal is just encoding the cursor keys as escape codes.
15:39:46 <tangentstorm> since they're not normal characters.
15:39:54 <Mat2> I think the termcap settings for my linux box decode them this way
15:40:03 <tangentstorm> yeah
15:40:19 <tangentstorm> that makes sense.
15:40:28 <tangentstorm> yeah you use vi-style keys for this thing.
15:40:44 <tangentstorm> but we should probably add a retro api for cursor keys now.
15:41:30 <tangentstorm> turbo pascal had a nice interface for special keys.
15:42:16 <tangentstorm> if it was a special key it would register as #0 first, and then you call ReadKey again and you get a different key.
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15:48:08 <Mat2> hm, the tabulator key does not work either
15:49:52 <tangentstorm> it changed to escape
15:50:07 <tangentstorm> because tab is now used for macros 
15:50:25 <tangentstorm> i have a note to myself to update the docs there :)
15:51:17 <tangentstorm> not macros... keymaps.. docl and crc made a new thing where you can bind a prefix key + character to a command.
15:51:30 <tangentstorm> and tab is the default prefix.
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15:55:09 <Mat2> the handling of these editor is like working with VI
15:55:29 <tangentstorm> yeah, i think that was the idea
15:55:35 * tangentstorm is an emacs guy mostly :)
15:56:05 * Mat2 happy JOE and ed user
15:57:52 <tangentstorm> :)
15:58:19 <tangentstorm> i'm actually very slowly working on an editor to be scripted with retro.
15:59:43 <Mat2> evaluating some meaningless texts crashes the interpreter
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16:06:17 <tangentstorm> :/
16:06:33 <tangentstorm> retro doesn't really have much in the way of error-recovery :)
16:06:47 <tangentstorm> especially on underflow
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16:07:54 <Mat2> my internet connection get weak, see you tomorrow
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