Subj : FidoNews submission
To   : Michiel van der Vlist
From : Gerrit Kuehn
Date : Sat May 31 2025 08:37 pm

Hello Michiel!

31 May 25 14:45, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

 MvdV> Now FOIP is the rule rather than te exception. So why the 
 MvdV> reluctance to embrace IPv6? Contrary to ISDN, it doenn't have to 
 MvdV> cost anything in most cases. Complexity? Oh c'mon, ISDN was far 
 MvdV> more complex to install than IPv6.

ISDN offered benefits: higher bandwidth (i.e., lower transfer costs), channel 
bundling, using your voice phone while data transmission is running, just to 
name a few.
IPv6 offers nothing for most sysops apart from time to spend on understanding 
it, making it work, keeping it running.

 GK>> I think the question is not so much about the technical support (for
 GK>> Linux or *BSD, IPv6 is available since around 2000). I know a couple
 GK>> of admins who -even if their provider supports IPv6- simply disable 
 GK>> it on all machines due to the unnecessary complexity it comes with.

 MvdV> Than these admins have not understood or they are just lazy.

"lazy" is the wrong word here. Not everyone is a retired person in a single 
household. Having a job, running a family, maintaining a house, vehicles and 
other things the familiy needs consumes lots of time already. When there is not 
much time left in the first place, why bother with IPv6?

 MvdV> Yes, a 
 MvdV> dusl stack system is moe complex than a single stack IPv4 system. 
 MvdV> But IPv6 by itself is not more complex than IPv4. On the contrary I 
 MvdV> would say. IPv6 is less complex.

I beg to differ: I spent the better part of a weekend understanding just the 
parts I need to get everything running with my DSlite connection (mainly DHCP, 
DNS, routing). It *is* more complex than IPv4 in many places, running IPv4 and 
IPv6 together needs even more thinking, firewalling and other security aspects 
come on top.
I am thinking about disabling it again on my internal (in-house) network. It 
provides no benefit.

 MvdV> But it is different, there is a 
 MvdV> learning cuve and one has to "unlearn" some of the "IPv4 think". 
 MvdV> But once past that, it is relatively easy. And unavoidable in the 
 MvdV> long run anyway...

I do not see any device or OS being sold as "IPv6 only" in the medium-term 
future. There are way to many installations that require IPv4 compatibility. 
There is no market for an "IPv6 only" device or software.


Regards,
Gerrit

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