Final Fantasy VII Plot Analysis Written by: Glenn H. Morrow/TresDias; formerly known as "Squall of SeeD" Version: Omega International+Last Mission Epilogus Versus XIII First Compiled: September 16, 2005 Last Updated: February 13, 2014 -----------Spoiler notice----------- There will be massive spoilers for all Final Fantasy VII-related titles in this document, including Maiden who Travels the Planet, On the Way to a Smile (all of them), Advent Children, Advent Children Complete, Reminiscence of FFVII, Before Crisis, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus and Last Order. The essay near the end of the FAQ, "Spirit Energy and Memories," will also include significant spoilers for FFs IV, VI, VIII, IX, X, X-2, X-2: International+Last Mission, Unlimited and The Spirits Within. There will also be speculative minor spoilers for Tactics, XI and XII. Next, there's a few small romance-related spoilers for FFIII (Nintendo DS remake only), FFIV, FFVI, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX, Dissidia Final Fantasy, Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix and Kingdom Hearts II in the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article. Finally, the same article has major spoilers regarding the fate of one of FFVI's characters, and one of FFX/X-2's. Including them was something of an unavoidable necessity to make a significant point. -----Other notes to be aware of----- Throughout this document, the world of Final Fantasy VII will be referred to as "Gaia." This is not actually canon. This is a practice that originated due to localization choices that are not vindicated by any original Japanese sources. For more information, see the "What is the name of the planet of FFVII?" question in the "General FFVII questions" section below. Also be aware that while this document refers to all entries in Kazushige Nojima's On the Way to a Smile series of novellas with the prefix "Case of," this title was only ever officially used with Case of Denzel and Case of Tifa, the first two entries. For most of the later entries in the series, as well as the revised editions of Case of Denzel and Case of Tifa, they were entitled with the prefix "Episode:" (e.g. "Episode:Tifa"). Case of the Lifestream White and Case of the Lifestream Black's official titles are simply "Life Stream White" and "Life Stream Black." Finally, note that I refer to the Shin-Ra Company with the "Shin-Ra" spelling seen in the company's official logo while I instead refer to the family name "Shinra" with the spelling seen in official English localizations. This is a matter of preference and I will not be changing it. Ever. --------------Contents-------------- For quick access to a section, do a ctrl+f search for the text in brackets -1) Update changes [1.0Up] -2) Update notes [2.0Up] 1- September 9, 2009 [2.1Up] 2- January 24, 2006 [2.2Up] -3) Purpose [3.0Pu] 1- Notes concerning translations [3.1Pu] -4) Frequently asked questions [4.0Fr] 1- Advent Children-specific questions [4.1Fr] 2- General FFVII questions [4.2Fr] -5) In-depth analysis [5.0In] 1- Advent Children [5.1In] -1- The origin of Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz [5.11In] -2- Symbolism in Advent Children 2- Final Fantasy VII in general [5.2In] -1- Jenova [5.21In] 1 What is Jenova? [5.211In] 2 Jenova's powers [5.212In] -2- Sephiroth [5.22In] 1 Who is Sephiroth? [5.221In] 2 The roles of Jenova and Sephiroth: The Puppet Master Theorem [5.222In] 3 Did the Sephiroth copy With a "1" tattoo take on Sephiroth's form, or did Sephiroth have such a tattoo himself? [5.223In] 4 Are the Sephiroth forms encountered throughout the game him or pieces of Jenova? [5.224In] 5 Who are the Sephiroth copies? [5.225In] 6 Purpose of the Sephiroth copy experiment [5.226In] 7 What are Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth? [5.227In] -3- Cloud [5.23In] 1 Who was Cloud really? [5.231In] 2 Why didn't Cloud lose his sense of identity like the other Sephiroth copies? [5.232In] 3 Was Cloud a failed Sephiroth copy? [5.233In] 4 Identity of the voice in Cloud's head [5.234In] 5 Who is Cloud in love with? [5.235In] -"Like an abattoir full of retarded children ..." [5.2351In] -Fearful Symmetry [5.2352In] -The Judge of the All the Earth [5.2353In] -A puppet who can see the strings ... [5.2354In] -"Nothing ends. Nothing ever ends" [5.2355In] -Old Ghosts [5.2356In] -"Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise" [5.2357In] -"What in life does not deserve celebrating?" [5.2358In] -Absent Friends [5.2359In] -A Stronger Loving World [5.23510In] 6 Firion's influence on Cloud [5.236In] 7 Cloud's Fusion Swords as a metaphor for his development [5.237In] 8 Deconstructing the antihero [5.238In] -4- Aerith [5.24In] 1 Did Aerith sacrifice herself? [5.241In] 2 Was Aerith's death necessary to summon Holy? [5.242In] 3 Why Holy failed and Aerith's role in saving the world [5.243In] 4 Was Aerith ever intended to be revived? [5.244In] 5 Did the death of Hironobu Sakaguchi's mother inspire Aerith's death? [5.245In] 6 Contrasting Cait Sith No. 1's "death" with Aerith's [5.246In] 7 Who is the Aerith in Final Fantasy Tactics? [5.247In] -5- Miscellaneous [5.25In] 1 Is Zack the man in the pipe in the slums of Midgar? [5.251In] 2 Is Vincent Sephiroth's father? [5.252In] 3 Why didn't the Weapons attack Sephiroth? [5.253In] 4 Was the game's final battle real? [5.254In] 5 Were the Cetra from another planet? [5.255In] 6 What is the Promised Land? [5.256In] 7 What did Hojo do to Red XIII? [5.257In] 8 What is the sphere Cloud sees during the ending? [5.258In] 9 Is FFVII connected to FFX and X-2? [5.259In] 10 Symbolism in Final Fantasy VII [5.2510In] 11 Cait Sith versus the world (of reason) [5.2511In] -6) Spirit Energy and Memories: The Magic of Final Fantasy [6.0Sp] 1- Foreword to the 10 billionth edition [6.1Sp] 2- "And the cycle went on" [6.2Sp] -7) What is the FFVII canon? [7.0Wh] 1- Introduction [7.1Wh] 2- The canon [7.2Wh] 3- What does "canon" mean? [7.3Wh] 4- Why are some FFVII titles canon and others not? [7.4Wh] 5- Does Maiden Who Travels the Planet at least fit into continuity even if it isn?ft canon? [7.5Wh] -8) Compilation of Final Fantasy VII inconsistencies [8.0Co] 1- Introduction [8.1Co] 2- The lists [8.2Co] -9) Acknowledgements [9.0Ac] 1- Thanks [9.1Ac] 2- Resources used in the creation of this document [9.2Ac] 3- Redistributing this document [9.3Ac] --------------Update changes--------------[1.0Up] February 12, 2014 -At this point, I've pretty much given up on the belief that I'll ever actually be done with this thing. It's gotten a bit like the Calm in Final Fantasy X. "Maybe it won't come back this time." Anyway, the first thing I did here was a massive, final update to the Love Triangle Debate section. Really, I'm done with that now. It's NOT coming back. Secondly, I deleted the speculation that Kadaj's name came from the Aramaic word "Kaddish," commonly associated with a Jewish prayer of mourning. Turns out that his name is actually Persian for "incomplete." Third, I updated the FAQ section with a source for the name of Omnislash Ver.6, a much-needed correction about the name of FFVII's world, more information related to Tseng's survival in the original game, a little more information on the connection between Sephiroth and Jenova, and some speculation on Cid's hometown. Next, I changed occurrences of "WEAPON" throughout this document "Weapon," as it actually appears in all official localizations of FFVII titles. The former is a common "misspelling" of sorts that arose due to the BradyGames Official Final Fantasy VII Strategy Guide using it. Similar to the above, I changed all occurences of "JENOVA" throughout this document -- except where that case rendering is what was actually used in something being quoted -- to the lowercase "Jenova" that appears throughout official localizations. I also corrected all cases of "JENOVA-Birth," "JENOVA-Life," "JENOVA-Death" and "JENOVA-Synthesis" to "Jenova-BIRTH," "Jenova-LIFE," "Jenova-DEATH" and "Jenova-SYNTHESIS." Likewise, uses of "Shiera" are now "Shera" to match official localizations. I'm still not changing all uses of "Shin-Ra" to "Shinra," though. It's just not happening. I just don't give a damn in this case. After that, I made a few small updates to the "What is the FFVII canon?" section, most notably changing the wording to be less certain that Maiden Who Travels the Planet isn't canon. It probably isn't, but that's not certain. Things tend to stay uncertain when it comes to stuff like that with Square Enix. I also made necessary updates and corrections to the "Resources used in the creation of this document" section, and updated broken links throughout (particularly with regard to Xcomp/LH Yeung's translations). Finally, I added a small "Other notes to be aware of" section above. 'Cause people reading this should be aware of them. That's all, folks. October 6, 2011 -More additions to the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article -- primarily just fleshing out the section on counterarguments that get thrown at the high affection version of the Highwind scene being canon. As always, this is intended to be the last update to this FAQ. I really mean it. March 10, 2011 -Not a whole lot of big changes this time around, but still a number of important small ones, I think. First, I clarified the matter of the Japanese translation for the Love Triangle Debate section's look at the line previously translated as "Behind his back, Cloud had a sense of yearning." Second, I added a brief bit of elaboration regarding the "without using words" translation to the LTD section. Third, I added page numbers for the FFVII Memorial Album references to the Gold Saucer dates. Fourth, I added a brief, but sufficient address of Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy to the LTD article. Fifth, I added copyright info for the Memorial Albums to the "Resources used in the creation of this document" section. Sixth, I added a screenshot from the official Dirge of Cerberus website to the article concerning the name of FFVII's world in the "Frequently asked questions" section. Finally, I added an article looking at the oddity that is Cait Sith -- specifically, looking at how inconsistent his portrayals as variously a living creature, an AI-controlled robot, and a robot controlled by remote. This article is called "Cait Sith versus the world (of reason)" and is under the "Miscellaneous" section's heading. You can quickly go to it by ctrl+f searching for "[5.2511In]" at any time. P.S. Also added mention of the related inconsistencies with the above to the FFVII Compilation inconsistencies section. P.P.S. Also, added a comment about a touch of real-life irony into the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article. See if you can find it. P.P.P.S. This, by the way, is planned, expected, and intended to be my final update to this FAQ. Perhaps if another entry in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII comes along that will change. Only time will tell. My best wishes to all who have and who do read this. November 18, 2010 -Wouldn't you know it? More changes related to the Love Triangle Debate. A while back, Quexinos got her hands on some of the Final Fantasy Art Museum trading cards, a collection of cards printed in 2001 featuring characters, summons, artwork, etc. related to the major Final Fantasy titles that had been published up to that point in time. Most notably, she got hold of the card for Tifa (card #068). Check out the updated section on Cloud's love life for what it had to say. Also, I've made changes in that section regarding the role of the Kingdom Hearts series in the LTD. Gone now is the theory that KH Tifa was a manifestation of KH Cloud's inner light, while KH Aerith could have been an outer light for him. It was pointed out to me by hitoshura of TheLifestream.net that a line I had previously thought could allude to this was only translated in such a way for the English versions of the game. The original Japanese text left no such interpretation possible. I've also made changes in that section regarding the Gold Saucer date and its canon outcome. To summarize: there isn't one. Go check out that section to see why I'm saying this. As well, there is a new section in the FAQ analyzing what is and is not considered to be part of the Final Fantasy VII canon/official continuity by Square Enix. Be sure to check out this new "What is the FFVII canon?" section for a detailed analysis of which books, games and movies SE wants you to care about, and which they don't even seem to. There might also be answer in there to that lingering question in the fandom, "Is Maiden Who Travels the Planet canon?" Finally, I added a small article about Aerith in Final Fantasy Tactics to Aerith's section of the FAQ, and a small "Notes concerning translations" message to the "Purpose" section. February 17, 2010 -Added a listing of all eight instances of lines in Ultimanias mentioning Cloud and Tifa confirming their love for one another to the "Who is Cloud in love with article?" Also, added a new entry to the "Compilation of FFVII inconsistencies" section, this one falling under DC's section of the "self-contained plotholes" listing. It's concerned with whether the Deepground SOLDIERs were gathering both kids and adults in Kalm, or just kids. Finally, to the "FAQ" section of this document, I added an entry concerning Cloud still talking to Yuffie about having been in SOLDIER even after he recovered his memories, clarifying that this was a translation error and not a script mistake January 27, 2010 -In what I do anticipate being the last update this time, I've corrected some typos regarding FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania page numbers, as well as updated all page number references for that book to include the page numbers from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania Revised Edition as well January 24, 2010 -So much for the January 13 update being the last one. I've expanded on the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article yet again, this time with more on Tifa's date likely being the canon date. Also, I've added yet another quote related to Cloud and Tifa confirming their matching feelings for one another, this time from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide. Oh, and I also provided confirmation from the same book that Cloud and Tifa are an official couple. Should have probably mentioned that first, huh? Yes, the Love Triangle Debate is officially over. Also, added an additional image depicting FFIV's relationship chart. To the "Compilation of FFVII inconsistencies" section, I added a couple of new points: Cissnei telling Zack's parents in CC that she was his girlfriend, and where Zack acquired the motorcycle he used to travel back toward Midgar after escaping Nibelheim. I also organized the inconsistencies with the original game into categories by title. Next, to the end of the "Spirit Energy and Memories" article, I added a translation I just finished on the sources of magic in FF. The text from which it comes is the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario. I'm pleased to say it confirms a lot of my conclusiosn found in that article. Finally, to Cloud's section of the FAQ, I added an article from DrakeClawfang analyzing Cloud's development in Advent Children through the use of his weapons. It's actually pretty awesome, and a great piece of literary analysis. It's the kind of stuff film nuts like me adore. It also compliments Ryushikaze's analysis of Firion's influence on Cloud *very* nicely January 13, 2010 -Massive update. Added a brief follow up comment to Ryushikaze's article on Firion's influence on Cloud, as well as several new entries to the "Compilation of FFVII inconsistencies" section -- one about the Special Episode of the Legendary Turk in Before Crisis, one about an inconsistency found between FFVII's Ultimania Omega and Crisis Core's Complete Guide concerning Gast and Ifalna, and one about the documents in the lab in Crisis Core. As well, I added a couple of new entries to CC's self-contained plotholes area, and one entry concerning CC and Cloud's observation of Zack's death to the area about plotholes among the new titles in the Compilation. To that same section of this document, I added more details concerning BC and CC's inconsistencies in the Turks' pursuit of Zack, as well as more details concerning the inconsistencies in the colors of the Turks' uniforms. I also added some more details to the "Is Rufus truly reformed?" question of the "FAQ" section. For the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article, I've added a quote from the Dissidia Final Fantasy Ultimania concerning Cloud's guilt, as well as a line from FFVII's Ultimania Omega concerning Cloud and Tifa confirming mutual feelings of desire for one another (yes, it's real). Additionaly, I added a related comment from Yuffie's profile in the same book. I also added a number of details concerning the relationship charts found in the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide. With Xcomp/LH Yeung's translation of Case of Shin-Ra now finished, as well as the addition of these newest details, barring the publication of more titles in the Compilation of FFVII or new comments found addressing any of the matters discussed within this document, I believe this FAQ is now complete December 16, 2009 -Corrected an error regarding Sephiroth and Tseng at the Temple of the Ancients -- Seph phased in through the *wall* rather than the cieling. Also, updated the "Didn't Tseng die in Final Fantasy VII?" question in the "FAQ" section. In addition, I corrected a reference to pg. 23 of the Crisis Core Ultimania (had "pg. 223" there before). Next, I added some more to the "Compilation of FFVII inconsistencies" section. This time, I included reference to the Junon Canon supposedly being able to hit Midgar in Before Crisis, and a little bit more on the continuity disaster that is the opening of Dirge of Cerberus. After that, I corrected a line in the "Who is Cloud in love with article?" -- the line that previously read "disclose their feelings for each other" now reads "disclose their mutual feelings for each other." Finally, I added a new article, "Firion's influence on Cloud," written by the venerable Ryushikaze of TheLifestream.net December 9, 2009 -Clarified the "koibito" matter in Case of the Lifestream White for the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article. A recent discussion showed me that it would be necessary to do so. Also, adjusted the sentence concerning Aerith's Cetra abilities allowing her to perceive that Cloud wasn't himself in the original game, as well as a few sentences in the following paragraphs. December 2, 2009 -Yes, another update already! Sorry to say. I'm performing this update to offer some clarification regarding the "dusk to dawn" quote found in the Kaitai Shinsho. That's for the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article obviously. As well, I'm adding a little more information regarding Ultimania relationship flowcharts to that article. Finally, I'm also adding an appropriate quote from Dr. Cox of "Scrubs" to one part of that article. November 29, 2009 -Performed my own translation of the faulty "undying feeling" translation in the "Who is Cloud in love with article?" as well as added a few more details regarding Nomura's comments there. Also, expanded the "roles of Jenova and Sephiroth" article with a bit more information November 27, 2009 -Small update in which I addressed the matter of the FFVII relationship chart from the 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character a little further -- this, of course, being in the "Who is Cloud in love with article?" As well, I added a second source for "Gaia" being the name of FFVII's planet. Finally, I made sure the sources of all scans that I didn't make myself were properly credited November 17, 2009 -Once again, added details to the "Who is Cloud in love with article?" I believe this will be the final update to that section. I've now added information from the Crisis Core Ultimania that said Cloud fell in love with her as a kid and pointed out how this ties into a line from Cloud's subconscious in the original game. I also added links to several scans. Anyway, yeah, this should be the final update to that section. Rejoice! November 13, 2009 -Added a few more details to the "Who is Cloud in love with article?" Among these, an elboration on the third-person limited storytelling perspective and analysis of lines from pg. 126 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania and pg. 281 of the Crisis Core Complete Guide. A few bits of wording were also adjusted and hopefully improved. Finally, I've now moved the "Update changes" section above the "Update notes" section. If it's more convenient for me that way, I know it will be for readers November 4, 2009 -Updated the "Compilation of FFVII inconsistencies" section with some information regarding On the Way to a Smile: Case of Shin-Ra. Also, added a few more details to the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article -- once again, thanks to Ryushikaze. One about Cloud's happiness, as mentioned by Nomura in The Distance, and another about the credits of ACC removing Aerith October 26, 2009 -Added Xcomp's real name -- LH Yeung -- to references to him. Also added On the Way to a Smile: Case of Shin-Ra to the list of works accepted as canon for this article. It's not only able to work in-continuity, but it's the best of the On the Way to a Smile stories. Major thanks to LH Yeung/Xcomp for translating it into English for the fandom. As well, I made a few more small additions to the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article. Yeah, I know. I'll never get away from making these occasional adjustments unless I just stop caring altogether. Also, added an explanation for why the script included with the Limited Edition North American release of Advent Children is being used in this article despite it having inconsistencies with the final product. Finally, fixed some typos October 18, 2009 -Made a few more small additions to the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article thanks to some comments from Ryushikaze. May he be damned for making me come back to this. XD His observations and comments are definitely appreciated, though -- most notably, his observations concerning Tetsuya Nomura's "maternal bond" quote -- or the lack thereof -- in the Reunion Files. Anyway, I sincerely hope this will be the end of editing that article. In all honesty, the LTD is one of my least interests when it comes to FFVII subjects, yet it seems to be the one I'm having to give the most attention. October 9, 2009 -I heavily revised the content of the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article once again. The Kingdom Hearts section, in particular, ended up with a heavy retooling due to a realization I had while debating that matter with FF Goddess of the Cloud x Aerith forums. Still, the article as a whole got a mighty dose of reworking, so check it out if you have an interest in such things. I intend this to be the last revision to that article, as the subject has grown very tired for me. September 25, 2009 -Added significantly more content to the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article and heavily revised certain passages. Among these changes are a full in-depth analysis of the LTD as it relates to the Kingdom Hearts series. I've been convinced by Anastar of the Cloud x Aerith forums that it merits such attention despite KH's status as an alternate universe. September 9, 2009 -Added "Update changes" section -Added "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII inconsistencies" section -Ctrl+f navigation codes added -"Purpose" section revised -Added important phrases such as "I think" and "I believe" throughout the entire FAQ -Standardized the quote format throughout the document -Added sources and references throughout the document -Various changes in wording throughout "Frequently asked questions" section -Split "FAQ" section into two parts for easier digestion -Reordered questions in the "FAQ" section for more digestable flow -Changed "First Tsurugi" to "First Ken" -Changed all uses of "Sephiroth Clone" to "Sephiroth copy" since "copy" was the word actually used. And because I really don't want to use a word that encouraged misunderstandings about the story, which led to the creation of this damn FAQ in the first place -Changed all uses of "Shin-Ra Corporation" to "Shin-Ra Company" since that's apparently its official name. And because it sounds better. Mainly I'm changing it because it sounds better -Added Shadow Creepers question to "FAQ" section -Added question about the miniature Cait Sith and Toysaurus from the Lover's Room -Removed the unnecessary "Who is Aerith?" question from "FAQ" section -Removed the unnecessary "Who is Zack?" question from "FAQ" sectiobn -Condensed the explanation about Aerith's name -Removed redundant "Is Vincent undead?" question from "FAQ" section -Removed redundant "How old is Vincent?" question from "FAQ" section -Removed the "How old was Zack?" question from "FAQ" section; without LO or CC being counted, there's no answer -Removed unnecessary "How old is Denzel?" question from "FAQ" section -Removed irrelevant question about Zack or Aerith's ghosts appearing in the group photo at the end of the film; since we're all able to see that shot in high quality now, the answer should be self-evident that they aren't there -Removed random capitalization; not all nouns are proper nouns -Removed ridiculus "Middle-Era" stuff from the question about Jenova's helmet in the "FAQ" section. I don't know why I ever thought that made any sense -Added "What is written on the plaque on the monument in Edge?" question to "FAQ" section -Added "Is Jenova male or female?" question to "FAQ" section -Removed the pointless literal translation in the question about the voice in Cloud's head from "FAQ" section -Removed references to Jenova as "he/she/it." That was a lame way of writing. It has a female appearance and is referred to as "mother," so even though it may not be female, it simply makes for a smoother flow of words to use female pronouns -Moved questions about Aerith's death from "FAQ" section to Aerith's own part of the "In-depth" section -Heavily condensed the "origin of Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz" article in the "In-depth" section -Heavily condensed the "Jenova" articles in the "In-depth" section -Heavily condensed all articles related to Sephiroth in the "In-depth" section -Removed redundant and completely unncessary "How Sephiroth Was Able to Return in Advent Children" article from the "In-depth" section -Removed equally redundant and even more unnecessary "Origin of the Shadow Creepers" article from the "In-depth" section -Removed utterly pointless article about Cloud's fight with Sephiroth in AC not being a hallucination from the "In-depth" section. It obviously wasn't. Why the hell I ever involved myself in debating that, I have no idea -Removed the monumentally pointless "Sephiroth formed his Masamune out of thin air" article from the "In-depth" section. He obviously did. Kadaj's Souba was out of the picture and the screen zoomed in on Sephiroth's hands as he formed the blade. Again, why I involved myself in debates like that, I will never know -Added "Who is Cloud in love with?" article to the "In-depth" section -Added deonstructing the antihero" article to the "In-depth" section -Removed the "All that Remained of Sephiroth's Body After His Fall Into The Mt. Nibel Mako Reactor Was its Torso" article from the "In-depth" section -Removed pointless "It Had Been Five Years Since Cloud Was Last in Nibelheim with Tifa" article from the "In-depth" section -Heavily condensed all other articles related to Cloud in the "In-depth" section -Removed painfully pointless "Vincent does not have a prosthetic arm" article from the "In-depth" section. Another case where I don't know how I let myself get embroiled into such a ridiculus debate -Removed "The Cetra Were Really Nomads" article from the "In-depth" section. It was -- yeah, you guessed it -- pointless. And stupid -Heavily altered the wording and flow throughout the "Are Spira and Gaia connected?" article and changed its name to "Is FFVII connected to FFX and X-2?"; also added a few new details -Heavily altered the wording and flow of the "Spirit Energy and Memories: The Magic of Final Fantasy" essay -Removed pointless "Sephiroth: Gone Forever?" article from the "In-depth" section. Obviously, if SE wants him to come back, they'll make him come back. Just as obviously, if they don't, then they want everyone to accept that he died permanently in AC. To me, his death looks pretty permanent given the loss of his remnants and the loss of all significant quantities of Jenova cells, including even the small quantities found in Cloud and those afflicted with geostigma. It doesn't help that the negative Lifestream appeared to be neutralized by Aerith's rain (this is made more obvious in Advent Children Complete, with the dark clouds actually dissolving instead of just pulling back). Still, his death at the end of the original game looked pretty permanent too, and he came back from that plausibly enough. Given SE's track record of making new FFVII titles that are irreconcilable with the original game, though, even should they bring him back in a future title, I'll likely feel that he died forever at the end of AC. Unless, of course, SE can make a sequel that features his return and doesn't conflict with the original game the way LO, BC, CC and DC have. --------------Update notes--------------[2.0Up] September 9, 2009 [2.1Up] So, it's been well over three years since I touched this thing. In some ways, it doesn't seem quite so long ago. In others, it feels like it was a whole other life. In either case, I haven't really missed doing this. Most times I've been too busy to have worried about it, and at others, I simply enjoyed whatever I was doing more. I've done a lot these past few years. I've graduated from UNC Charlotte, done some work as a journalist, begun work on my own work of fiction -- and in general, become really happy with myself. I had a lot of growing to do when I last updated this FAQ. I'm not done yet, but when I look back at the me from three or four years ago, I don't recognize him. In a good way. I've learned a lot about what it is to be an adult, what it is to be a good person, what qualifies as a good use of my own life, how to enjoy fiction in a healthy manner, and other little tidbits of nothingness. But what I've learned the most about is how little I actually know. I used to think I was smart. I mean in an annoying way. I had a lot of knowledge, yeah, but I didn't realize how much I was clueless about. I imagine I was more than a little hard to get along with when I'd post on forums back in the day, and I think I gave too many people who simply weren't as informed about Final Fantasy -- probably because they were too busy actually doing stuff with their life -- an unnecessarily hard time. Anyhow, I return today approaching everything with the assumption that I have much to learn and can never know all there is to know. Everyone in the world has something they could teach me. I don't care if you don't know Cloud from Johnny, you've got something I could learn from you. I'm going to update this FAQ today for various reasons. Stuff that's been established as incorrect in the last three years will be noted as such and fixed. Stuff that's been confirmed by Square Enix as correct will also be marked accordingly. And then the stuff that was my own wild speculation, if not removed, will be clearly marked as such. Perhaps most importantly of all, though, I'm going to get rid of almost all references to the following Compilation of Final Fantasy VII titles as being part of continuity: Last Order, Before Crisis, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus. Also, I will be excluding some of the new On the Way to a Smile stories released when Advent Children Complete came out. That means Case of Yuffie and Case of Nanaki are not included here either. One thing I've come to understand is that a work of fiction like any of the Final Fantasy titles is a team effort. It's a collaboration between a great many people, not just who make the game, but who experience it and interpret it, then go on to share those interpetations with others. There's no hypodermic needle or Matrix-upload for a story. It's not just injected directly into your brain. A great deal of effort is expended and a variety of storytelling techniques are used to create something that nonetheless still requires viewers to bring something to the table in order to make sense of it. When we see through a character's own eyes in a movie, do we know that's their point of view because the director runs down to the front of the theatre and informs us that we're now looking through the character's eyes rather than the magical, omnipresent window through which we see most details? Nope, we just recognize that to be what's going on. When a flashback begins, do we know that it's a flashback because someone tells us, or can we figure it out because we've brought the ability to recognize what sepia-toned cinematography could mean? It's our own ability to comprehend that and our own work that allows us to make that interpretation. It's the same with figuring out something like the ending to "The Sixth Sense." I'm about to spoil the ending, by the way, if you're one of the twelve people who don't already know it. Does the film ever actually tell us that Bruce Willis' character was a ghost the whole time rather than that he was just experiencing an acid trip in the final scene, or are we able to piece together what's there and arrive at that conclusion? I grant you, it's not particularly hard to figure out come the end of the film, but no one within the movie ever makes a statement to the effect that he's a ghost. Again, there is no hypodermic needle in communication. Even speaking with someone in the same language there is miscommunication everyday. You always must interpret what has been said. So what's going to happen when you're playing a game that uses "cinematic language," was designed by many people who speak a different spoken and written language, and was then localized into your language by several more people with their own thought processes and various ways of understanding the world around them? The original message may have ran into countless points of interference before you received it, and then it still has to get through your own internal noise. This understanding of fiction's collaborative nature is especially important when doing something like plot analysis. I was hopelessly unqualified to be attempting this FAQ at the time I made it. I didn't even understand this most fundamental aspect of storytelling. The author is important, God bless them, but without a receiver to communicate with, a story is not going to come to life. Stories are not just reflections of a single author, but also of all its listeners -- themselves authors who worked with the original teller to make meaning of disparate elements strung together in a way that has little inherent meaning. Why is that leading me to remove LO, BC, CC and DC from this FAQ, you may be wondering. It's because all four have numerous inconsistencies with the original Final Fantasy VII, and even with each other. If an FAQ like this is going to treat a fictional world with the same scrutinizing eye that it treats the real world, then the fictional world needs to be able to stand as solidly as the real world. Keep in mind that I'm not disputing any of those titles' place in canon. Canon is the official continuity, and Square Enix can have it. So also can those who are more concerned with what the official word is than they are with what makes for a consistent, internally cohesive narrative. I'm not saying that such a preference is inherently bad, but just that it's not for geeks like me who look for a fictional reality to be able to make as much sense as our own. Every time you watch your home movies of your 13th birthday party, or your wedding, or that Christmas where you got the puppy, you expect it to be the same, right? I'm merely saying that a history in which Sephiroth jumped into the mako beneath Mt. Nibel's reactor can't exist in the same continuity as one in which he was thrown in by Cloud. Conflicts such as that are incompatible. I must apologize to everyone who has ever read this FAQ for suggesting that an author's own word on something should be the final one -- or worse, that simply having legal ownership to an intellectual property is as good. Again, Square Enix can have their official continuity in which there are many gaping holes in history, or where any attempt to make a cohesive summary of what reality is requires overlooking the many conflicting elements in what should be easily summarized events. Honestly, how hard is it to retell something the same way after you've told it once before and have the original telling at hand anytime you need it for reference? Again, I'm not saying that the official continuity isn't up to SE. It's theirs. It belongs to them. Irrefutably. However, the worlds each player or viewer has experienced belongs to them just as irrefutably. No one -- not SE nor any fan, no matter how many translations of Japanese-only guides they've read -- can say that it's the player or viewer's fault if they failed to perceive something as SE or its developers supposedly intended it. If they didn't put it or evidence of it there, no one can claim with any actual basis that it *is* there in the product the player received. It might be there in the official reality, but it's not been represented to anyone in this one. No matter how many times you play Final Fantasy VII, you're never going to find evidence that Zack broke the glass of his containment tube under the Shinra Mansion instead of knocking out the resident scientist at feeding time. It wasn't presented to the viewer for being interpreted into continuity, and, thus, while it's part of the official reality, it's not necessarily going to be part of the reality viewers have already experienced. Nor should it be expected to. Evidence for it not only isn't there in the original game, but it directly contradicts what *is* there -- and that extends beyond simply relying on Cloud's potentially faulty memories. In the game's present day, the two containment tubes stand intact with scratches inside revealing Cloud and Zack passed messages to one another in which they planned their escape at feeding time. Cloud's flashback to their escape in the original game is in line with that. Crisis Core's presentation, however, is not. Yeah, Crisis Core is the most recent production, and is, therefore, the official word on canon -- but the original game was there first, and neither it nor those who have experienced it should be expected to accomodate the new at the expense of established history. If the new is inconsistent, that means someone either made a mistake or deliberately chose to make it inconsistent. We expect 2009 to have a certain number of days because 2008 had a certain number of days. If two or three new days sneak in somewhere, that doesn't mean 2008 did anything wrong. It means someone printed a bad calendar. We're not going to try to recalculate a solar cycle that somehow fits with 368 days, though. Every time we see or hear Dr. Martin Luther King Junior's "I Have A Dream" speech, we expect him to finish it with the phrase, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!". If it were to suddenly end any other way, we'd be wondering what the hell happened to our cohesive reality, and why it was no longer holding up. I can't help but imagine it must be much the same way for the unfortunate denizens of Square Enix's official Final Fantasy VII continuity. I've made an attempt at compiling a complete list of all the errors BC, CC, DC, LO, Case of Yuffie and Case of Nanaki have with relation to the original game, as well as each other. For more on that, check the table of contents for the section on Compilation of FFVII inconsistencies. Finally, I owe an apology to those who used to follow this FAQ back when I was updating it regularly. Sorry I never made note of what changes were being made from one version to the next. That must have been a pain to follow. I promise that this update will record all changes. Check out the new section on update changes I've added just for this one final update. As a journalist, I also feel it necessary that the changes I make be recorded for the sake of preserving what has gone before. It would be easy to simply correct mistakes and let them stand as though they always were correct. But that's not the truth, and I intend this document to be true to the principles of journalism. Thanks for reading, and take care! -Glenn H. Morrow P.S. Never forget what I said in the previous update: The most important thing in life is showing up for it. The only thing I would add to that now is that compassion for your fellow man, even where you don't like or agree with them, is just as important. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- January 24, 2006 [2.2Up] For personal reasons, I'm going to be retiring from Final Fantasy theorizing and speculation as well as pretty much anything related to it. As of January 24, 2006 no future updates for this document are planned or intended. I will not be adding analyses of Before Crisis or Dirge of Cerberus to this document. As such, in the next few days when Dirge of Cerberus is released in Japan, this document will no longer serve as a completely comprehensive guide to the various plots in Final Fantasy VII's corner of the universe. To anyone who wishes to take that task upon themselves, I wish you the best of luck, and you may feel free to reference anything from this guide that is necessary to the completion of your work, provided, of course, that proper citation and reference -- including a link -- are given to this document. All that said, I would like to say that -- in all the time I've spent writing these things -- I haven't enjoyed these games and their related works as I should have. It can be fun to do, analyzing stories, but some people -- myself being the greatest example -- can take these things grotesquely out of proportion, and -- in so doing -- fail to just ENJOY a game, book, or movie for the entertaining materials that they're intended to be. If you become too wrapped up in picking something apart, you're not going to be able to appreciate it for the work of art it is intended to be when viewed as a whole. I say this from a -- sadly -- great deal of personal experience. This message is addressed to everyone who reads this, but most of all, to whoever it is out there who might be considering carrying the plot analysis torch into Before Crisis or Dirge of Cerberus -- or any other work of entertainment for that matter. Remember to enjoy these works for what they are. Discussing them with friends or even strangers on forums can be fun, sure, and that's all part of the experience, and, yeah, sure, I even encourage you to get into a debate here and there -- hell, maybe even a knock-down-drag-'em-out fight once or twice -- but remember to enjoy these things. Life's too short and there's just far too much to experience and to partake of to spend all of it picking apart works of fiction. On that note, also -- and I can't stress this enough -- remember to enjoy LIFE ITSELF and try to experience as much of it as you can. Don't become too bogged down in so much of this STUFF period, even if you are taking these works of fiction for the purely entertaining value for which they're intended. Don't take so much of it to heart. And, hey, if you have been doing that? So what, okay? It's not the end of the world. You're still alive and kicking. You can do something different tomorrow if that's what you want to do. And, if you have been doing that, also don't be ashamed of it. Don't be ashamed of any work that you have done and don't beat yourself up for things you feel like you could have done better. Don't focus on the past. Think about how you can make tomorrow better. If you take anything from any of this stuff to heart, take the one ideal of Final Fantasy that its creator sought to illustrate: Life's about experiences, about making memories. The more you do and experience, the more you grow, and the more the world around you grows. We're all part of a big interrelated environment that's about that: Growth. Call it a web, or a ship, or a zoo if you want to, but just do it. The most important thing in life is showing up for it. -Glenn "Squall of SeeD" Morrow --------------Purpose--------------[3.0Pu] When first written, the purpose of this FAQ was to provide answers and analysis to the storyline of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the 2005 film sequel to Final Fantasy VII. It soon grew into an analysis of FFVII as well, and later was set to become an analysis of the entire Compilation of FFVII. I abandoned the project on January 24, 2006, and am happy I did so. In the time that passed between that final update and this newest one, I've learned that I was hopelessly unqualified to be writing this FAQ. As well, I've learned that most of the Compilation of FFVII isn't worth the time I'd have spent writing about it. From today forward, the FAQ will stand solely as an analysis of those parts of the Compilation that I feel could exist within the same continuity. These include the original game, Maiden Who Travels the Planet, On the Way to a Smile (Case of Denzel, Case of Tifa, Case of Barret, Case of the Lifestream White, Case of the Lifestream Black, and Case of Shin-Ra only), Advent Children Complete and Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII. I'll also accept anything from the script of Advent Children included with the Limited Edition North American release of Advent Children, so long as it doesn't contradict the final product or Advent Children Complete. While the script is obviously dated in some respects, it should offer insight into what was intended -- with the obvious exception of those places where it's at odds with what was presented in the published versions of the film. In Advent Children's case, Advent Children Complete will be recognized here rather than the original. ACC certainly can't exist in the same continuity as the original AC. It's also the better film and still compatible with the original game. I'll be including Case of Shin-Ra here from the On the Way to a Smile series, despite its references to some of the Turks from Before Crisis. As the story doesn't drag BC's contradictions into Case of Shin-Ra -- and doesn't really refer to specifics from that story -- the novella's own story isn't impaired in working in-continuity with the original game's. It just means we've got some former colleagues of the present-day Turks who left at some unidentified point in the past. I also feel that Dissidia Final Fantasy stands in continuity with FFVII, as well as the rest of the FF series, though I won't be talking much about it here. If I had to pick a time it could have taken place in FFVII's continuity, I would conclude that it happened between the original game and the later events of On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Notes concerning translations [3.1Pu] Any translations not otherwise attributed to someone else were performed by me. Any text appearing inside brackets ("[ ]") within a translation is not part of the original text and was added by me either for clarity or for the propagation of geeky knowledge. --------------Frequently asked questions--------------[4.0Fr] The first part of this section is a list of frequently asked questions concerning Advent Children specifically. The second is about FFVII in general. This section is separate from the larger "In-depth analysis" section of the article because the explanations involved are short and most have definite answers. Those story elements that require extended explanation will be addressed in the "In-depth" section. For many of the answers in both sections, I've either got an official source to back me up, or an official source that says I'm wrong. I'll make note of them in both cases. If no official source is mentioned, assume the answer is my own explanation only. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Advent Children-specific questions [4.1Fr] *Q: What is geostigma? *A: "Geostigma" is the name given to the side effects of an internal struggle between Jenova's cells and one's own spirit energy, gifted to them at conception by the Lifestream. These side effects result from the spirit energy causing one's immune system to overtax the body as it tries to expel Jenova's influence. The effects of geostigma include extreme fatigue, dark sores on the surface of the skin, and the excretion of dark pus. It is actually these negative side effects, rather than the presence of Jenova cells, which lead to death. *Source: FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 32; pg. 34 in the Revised Edition) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: How did people the world over become infected with Jenova's cells? *A: When the Lifestream spread over the world at the end of Final Fantasy VII, it unintentionally carried Jenova's remains to the population. Jenova's body, as well as Sephiroth's, had been blown apart inside the planet and their pieces fell into the Lifestream. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Is the city Cloud and Tifa live in Midgar? *A: No. The city is called Edge, named as such because it was built adjacent to Midgar from random scrap and ruins of the original city. *Source: AC Reunion Files book (pg. 71) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Who is Denzel? *A: Denzel is one of the orphans afflicted with geostigma taken care of by Cloud and Tifa. Prior to the events of the original game, he lived with his mother and father on the upper plate of Sector 7 in Midgar. His father was a Shin-Ra employee and knew of the plan to crush Sector 7 in a bid to wipe out AVALANCHE. Though he got Denzel out of the area in time, he went back for Denzel's mother and both were in the affected area when Sector 7's support pillar fell. For more on Denzel, read the novella called On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What are those creatures called that Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are able to summon without materia? Why were they able to summon them without materia? *A: They're called Shadow Creepers. *Source: Advent Children: Prologue book (pg. 44); AC Reunion Files book (pg. 76) For why they can be summoned without materia, see the "What were those dark clouds Sephiroth called forth?" question below. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: The box that held Jenova's "head" in AC was a bit small for holding an entire head. Was that what was actually in it? *A: According to Takeshi Nozue, co-director of the film, the contents of the box were referred to as the head, but what the box actually contains is just random remains of Jenova. Of course, this might mean that some material from her head was within the box, but Nozue doesn't indicate it to necessarily be the case. They simply refer to the box's contents as "the head" for simplicity's sake. *Source: Advent Children prologue book (pg. 62) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Why does Kadaj scream out in anguish when he looks into the box holding Jenova's remains? *A: According to the script of the film packaged with the Advent Pieces edition in Japan, as well as the script included with the Limited Edition release in North America, Cloud damaged the box further than Rufus' earlier shot already had. The contents of the box were damaged as a result of the attacks on it, and Kadaj probably assumed that what should have been a healthy looking part of Jenova had been mangled, and that she had, thus, been hurt. So he was grieving, basically. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What was that rain that Aerith brought which cleansed people of Jenova's touch and disintegrated Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz? *A: It was most likely a representation of Aerith's Great Gospel Limit Break, which would completely heal party members in Final Fantasy VII. As far as what it was in plainer terms, it looked like Lifestream mixed with water. When looking at the hole that Kadaj blasted into the floor of Aerith's old church, one can clearly see the Lifestream mixing with water: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/LifestreamWater.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/LifestreamWater2.jpg It's unclear why Aerith didn't use it sooner, but it's possible the situation was similar to that of Holy in the original game. Maybe Sephiroth was trying to hold her back with his will, preventing her from taking more than an occasional action. Whatever the case, once he was out of the picture, Aerith unleashed the city- wide Great Gospel seen at the end of the film. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What were those dark clouds Sephiroth called forth before his battle with Cloud began? Some of them took the form of tendrils like the Lifestream. *A: It was a Lifestream composed of the spirit energy of those who had died of geostigma. Their spirit energy became contaminated by the influence of Jenova's cells and was, thus, under Sephiroth's control. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/); FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 32; pg. 34 in the Revised Edition) The silver-haired men, Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz, also had limited control over this "negative Lifestream," as seen when they summoned the Shadow Creeper monsters who were composed of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What is the black substance that permeates the water at the City of the Ancients when Kadaj steps into it? Why do the silver-haired men have the children drink the water? *A: It was Kadaj's will. He had them drink the water to activate the Jenova cells within them -- specifically, the instinct for Reunion. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/) The idea was that the children would then be drawn to the location of Jenova's remains, allowing the silver-haired men to locate their "mother." They couldn't track her themselves because they didn't have any Jenova cells in their bodies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Why didn't Rufus die in Final Fantasy VII when Diamond Weapon blasted his office? He started to explain, but Cloud interrupted him. *A: He got lucky, I guess. It wasn't the first time a Final Fantasy character survived a large explosion at close range. Final Fantasy IV has more than one case of it. There was a time I'd speculated that Rufus may have been given a mako bath, since his blue eyes have the same green coloring around their pupils that Cloud's have. It would have maybe explained why he was able to survive Diamond's attack and would have also provided a reason that he was able to fight with Cloud and live to tell the tale. I gave up on that idea, though, because both Cid and Denzel, who also have blue eyes, demonstrate the same green coloring. Cid's could be explained by his trip to the center of the planet with Cloud and the rest of the team, but Denzel's isn't as easy to explain. I eventually decided that the green must simply be a genetic thing passed down from the green-eyed Al Bhed of Final Fantasy X/X-2. In any case, for a detailed account of Rufus's ordeal, see the official FFVII novella Case of Shin-Ra from FFVII scenario writer Kazushige Nojima's On the Way to a Smile series. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Why was Rufus in that wheelchair and wearing that white sheet? *A: Basically, he was putting on an act. He enjoyed the attention for one thing, and the sheet also served to keep Jenova's remains concealed. *Source: Advent Children Prologue book (pg. 60) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Is Rufus truly reformed? He didn't even tell Cloud that he had the remains of Jenova or that he was planning to rebuild the Shin-Ra Company. That seems to suggest that he had a hidden agenda. As well, in Case of Shin-Ra, he reveals that he wanted to build the monument at the center of Edge as a way of marking Shin-Ra's claim to the city, with its ostensible purpose being to honor the Meteor tragedy. *A: During AC, I think his agenda was simply hiding the box containing the remains of Jenova. He didn't want to take any risk that it might fall into the hands of Kadaj and his brothers, and apparently didn't even tell the Turks where it was, despite their loyalty to him. It's not surprising that he didn't tell Cloud since he didn't know if he would be able to count on him. Cloud was being uncooperative at the time about joining them. As for whether he's reformed, I feel that it becomes obvious toward the end of the film that he truly was. He makes quite the redemptive speech to Kadaj. He says that he will submit to the authority of the planet and the order of life (now even referring to the planet as "hoshi" instead of "sekai," just as those in Cosmo Canyon do), adding that he and the others will be victorious over any enemies of the planet in doing so. He had no one to put on a show for at that point if he were pretending to be sincere about taking care of the planet earlier, so I think his words during that speech should be taken as genuine. As well, his words and actions in Case of Shin-Ra -- saving Dr. Kilmister's other captives and establishing Healin as a place to begin a mission to "heal the world" -- indicate a sincere wish to atone for his past and to care about others. Case of Shin-Ra is, in my opinion, Rufus Shinra's journey to becoming the "people's president," so to speak. Also, if you're counting Dirge of Cerberus in continuity, you've got the fact that Rufus is the one funding Reeve's World Regenesis Organization, confirmed in an interview in the Dirge of Cerberus Official Complete Guide: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/dirge-of-cerberus/1494/dirge-of- cerberus-interview-with-the-creators/ As for him not telling Cloud about rebuilding Shin-Ra, there wasn't really a moment in the conversation that it should have naturally come up. Rebuilding the organization isn't necessarily bad in and of itself either. Even if he's reformed, Rufus still comes off to me as the kind of person who would want to be in a powerful position. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Didn't Tseng die in Final Fantasy VII? Elena said to Cloud "...you really got guts doin' my boss in like that!". *A: If one speaks to the wounded Tseng in the Temple of the Ancients after he has given Cloud and company the Keystone, he will say "I'm... still alive... .?h While Cloud and the others were inside the temple, Tseng was discovered and rescued by Cait Sith no. 2, operated via remote by Reeve, as recounted in Case of Shin-Ra. The other Turks themselves believed Tseng to be dead until Diamond Weapon's attack on Midgar. Also of interest, while the PlayStation version of Final Fantasy VII released in North America made it seem that Tseng had died due to Elena's statement, it was seemingly "corrected?h with the PC release, in which she says "...you really got guts messin?f my boss up like that!?h despite her being unaware at the time that he is alive and it still being several more years before Tseng's survival would be revealed to fans. For those interested, by the way, Elena's line in Japanese is よくも私のボスをやってくれたわね！ ("How dare you do that to my boss!"). Tseng's absence throughout the rest of the original game certainly suggested to many, myself included, that he had died, even with Elena's altered line in the PC version. That being said, the developers left themselves plausible room to bring him back. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Why does Vincent ask Tifa where he can get a phone when he shows up to fight Bahamut? *A: After he rescued Cloud in the Sleeping Forest, Cloud told him that he'd be calling him to let him know how his attempt to find forgiveness for his "sins" went. *Source: AC Reunion Files (pg. 49) In addition, according to his FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile (pg. 70; pg. 72 in the Revised Edition), Vincent was embarrassed by Marlene's horrified surprise that Vincent didn't have a phone. As can be heard in Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII, Vincent does, indeed, get himself a phone after the events of Advent Children. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What is written on the plaque on the monument in Edge? *A: In the original release of Advent Children, it read: METEO IMPACT ν-Era 0008 012[unknown final value] Keep on Rockin’ in MIDGAR In Advent Children Complete, the plaque clearly reads: METEORFALL v-Era 0008 0121 Keep on Rockin’ in MIDGAR In the original release of the film, the second "1" in the date was obscured. In Advent Children Complete, the full date is visible, revealing that Meteorfall was on January 21st. The “v,” by the way, is the lowercase form of Nu, the thirteenth letter of the Greek alphabet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What was the name of the Bahamut that Kadaj summoned? *A: バハムート震/Bahamut Sin (official romanization; technically, "Shin" is also accurate), meaning "Bahamut Tremor." This name and those of the alternate forms of Bahamut seen in the original game came from old Japanese fighter planes. For instance, Bahamut Zero is Bahamut Reishiki in Japanese (バハムート零式; "Bahamut Type-0"), and Neo Bahamut is Bahamut Kai (バハムート改; "Bahamut Revised"). *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of Advent Children (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/); Advent Children: Prologue book (pg. 45); AC Reunion Files book (pg. 76) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What did the pink ribbons worn by Marlene and the members of AVALANCHE represent? Also, where did each person wear their ribbon? *A: They wore the ribbons to represent remembrance of Aerith. *Source: AC Reunion Files book (pg. 86); FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania guide (pg. 50; pg. 52 in the Revised Edition) -Where the Characters Wore their Ribbons- Cloud: left bicep Tifa: left bicep Yuffie: left bicep; also had one on her Shuriken Cid: left bicep Barret: left wrist Red XIII/Nanaki: just above the bangle on his left foreleg Vincent: right forearm Cait Sith: middle of his left arm Marlene: in her hair ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What does the wolf that appears at Zack's place of death, Aerith's church, and the City of the Ancients symbolize? *A: It's a symbol of the guilt and regret Cloud experienced as a result of being unable to do anything to save Aerith and Zack, so it appears in locations related to them. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/); AC Reunion Files book (pg. 86) The symbolism of the wolf also brings to mind the expression "lone wolf," as Cloud has chosen to live away from others while he awaited death from geostigma. Continuing this line of symbolism, Cloud wears the design of a wolf's head on his outfit, and his motorcycle is named Fenrir, the name bore by Loki's wolf-child in Norse Mythology. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What are the names of Cloud's new swords? *A: Takeyuki Takeya, the swords' designer, has commented that he didn't give them or their united form proper names. The developers just called them the Fusion Swords (Gattai Ken) during development. *Source: AC Reunion Files book (pp. 77-78) While it doesn't seem that any of the swords have been otherwise given official names, the base sword the others attach to has been called the First Sword (Saisho no Ken in Japanese) by Nomura. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/) This FAQ originally gave the sword's name as First Tsurugi, which has apparently been a common misunderstanding since the kanji for "sword" can be read and pronounced both "ken" and "tsurugi." The pronunciation Nomura actually used was "ken." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What were the names of Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz's weapons? What kind of weapons were they? *A: -Kadaj's weapon- The Souba (a double-bladed katana) -Yazoo's weapon- A Velvet Nightmare (a double-barreled gun that vaguely resembles a sword) -Loz's weapons- A Velvet Nightmare The Dual Hound (a pile bunker designed to function as a stun gun) *Source: Official North American Advent Children website; Advent Children: Prologue book (pg. 72); AC Reunion Files book (pg. 79) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Do the Velvet Nightmare weapons function as swords as well or only as guns? *A: They function only as guns. While Yazoo does use his Velvet Nightmare to block Cloud's sword during a fight, the weapons lack an actual blade. Both the official North American and Japanese Advent Children websites state that the Velvet Nightmares lack any sword function: (Yazoo's profile on the official North American Advent Children website) "A youth who is unbound by worldly matters and thus a bit of an enigma. Yazoo carries the 'Velvet Nightmare,' a firearm designed after two parallel swords, but with gun functionality only." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Could the title of "Gunblade" be given to the Velvet Nightmares as it was to Squall and Seifer's weapons in Final Fantasy VIII? *A: You could call them another kind of sword-gun hybrid, but "Gunblade" has always referred specifically to the kind of weapon seen in Final Fantasy VIII. Ironically, while the Velvet Nightmares only function as guns, the Gunblades of VIII only function as swords. The Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania guide states that the gun mechanism on those weapons is used to rupture shells in the firing chamber, producing a vibration along the length of the weapons' blades. Here follows a translation of the Gunblade section (pg. 43) of the Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania guide, translated by DarkAngel: "GUNBLADE Combining the sword with a standard shotgun's mechanisms, the Gunblade is a unique weapon. If you pull the trigger while the bullet is 'set,' a strong wave of power will travel down to the edge of the blade, raising the attack power of the Gunblade. By pulling the trigger at the right time, one can release a powerful attack; however, achieving competency in usage of the Gunblade is very difficult and therefore requires a high degree of aptitude." The first Final Fantasy character to carry sword-gun hybrids that were fully functional as boths swords and guns was Weiss in Dirge of Cerberus. Genesis copies in Crisis Core did as well, though their projectile function was as rocket launchers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Is Cid's new airship named after Shera from FFVII? *A: Yes. Though the name of the ship has been variously romanized as "Shera" and "Sierra," even by Square Enix, it's the same name. Given the katakana used in its name, a straight romanization would actually be "Shiera," but this is also the spelling used in Japanese in reference to the real-world Sierra Madre and Sierra Nevada mountain ranges. All this in mind, any of the three romanizations are fine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What is the name of the Limit Break that Cloud defeats Sephiroth with in Advent Children? *A: It was called "Choukyuu Bushin Hakuzan Version 5" (超究武神覇斬Ver.5) in Japanese, and 超究武神覇斬 was the name of the move localized as "Omnislash" in the original English release of FFVII. Therefore, one can call this new move "Omnislash Version 5." It's called "Ver.5" because the attack seen in the film was the fifth version of the attack developed for use in that scene. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/); Dissidia Final Fantasy If looking at Advent Children Complete, the attack Cloud used is -- as you might expect -- Omnislash Ver.6. This was confirmed by Tetsuya Nomura in an interview with Famitsu PSP+PS3, as seen on pg. 14 of its April 2009 issue (issue #256). Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/omniver6.jpg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What Limit Break is it that Cloud uses during his fight with Sephiroth that leaves three diverging slashes on the roof of a building? *A: It was Blade Beam. As was the case in the original game, Cloud can focus several small beams in different directions instead of channeling a single large beam if he so wishes. This can be seen in the original game by using Blade Beam in a fight against multiple enemies. After the target of the main beam has been struck, the main beam will divide and target the remaining enemies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What are all of the Limit Breaks used or referenced in the film? *A: -Cloud- 1) Blade Beam (against Loz's earth-moving attack in the Sleeping Forest, and against Sephiroth) 2) Braver (against Bahamut Sin; this was the attack Cloud used when he knocked the dragon down the first time) 3) Climhazzard (against Bahamut Sin; it was this attack which Cloud used to defeat the summon) 4) Finishing Touch (against Kadaj; used when knocking him off the building they were fighting on, leading to Kadaj losing his Souba) 5) Omnislash Ver.5/6 (against Sephiroth; this was the attack he used to defeat him) -Barret- Big Shot (against Bahamut Sin) -Tifa- 1) Beat Rush (against Loz) 2) Somersault (against Loz) 3) Meteodrive (against Loz) 4) Meteor Strike (against Loz) -Aerith- Fury Brand (when grabbing Cloud's hand while he fought Bahamut Sin) Great Gospel (against Jenova's cells, Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz) -Red XIII- Sled Fang (against Bahamut Sin) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Why wasn't Cait Sith's moogle Toysaurus in the original version of AC? It doesn't show up in the present or in the flashback to Final Fantasy VII's last battle. *A: The Toysaurus was left out due to the amount of extra time and work that would have been required to render it into the film. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/) Until it was included in Advent Children Complete, as a story explanation, I just assumed it got destroyed prior to the final battle. There were plenty of opportunities for it to happen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Can Cloud fly? *A: Not anytime he wants to like Vincent apparently can, but he does fly briefly when performing Omnislash Ver.5/6 on Sephiroth at the end of the film. Presumably, anyone could do it via a surge in their spirit energy -- what we otherwise know as a Limit Break -- and we do witness Aerith's staff levitating during battles in the original game while she performed Limit Breaks or was casting spells. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: How did Cloud and the rest of the team become as agile as they were presented in Advent Children? They seem far more powerful physically than they were in the original game. Even Cloud and Vincent were unable to lift the debris from the oxygen tank that exploded on the space shuttle. *A: The real answer is that when the developers made Advent Children, they weren't terribly concerned with how realistic things looked so long as they looked cool. Tetsuya Nomura and Takeshi Nozue have acknowledged the lack of realism, both in terms of how the characters move and how the motorcycles in the film move. They felt that placing the constraints of real-world physics on CG characters would be a wasted opportunity. *Source: Staff commentary from Japanese limited edition of AC (http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/advent-children-staff-commentary/); The Distance: The Making of Advent Children; Advent Children: Prologue book (pg. 58) If you need an explanation with basis in the metaphysics of the fictional world, however -- which I know I did if I was going to accept AC as being in the same continuity as the original game -- it's easy to conclude that falling to the center of the planet imbued them all with superhuman strength the same way a mako bath would have. In Cloud's case, that made his third trip into the Lifestream -- all of which came after he'd already been given a mako bath by Hojo -- and for Tifa, it was her second. The strong resolve everyone had during the final battle -- which Tifa actually speaks of in AC -- would probably have prevented them from being overcome with mako poisoning. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- General FFVII questions [4.2Fr] *Q: What is the name of the planet of FFVII? *A: Its name is unknown. It may not even have one. While formerly believed by many fans to be "Gaia," please refer to this article written by Shademp of TheLifestream.net explaining why that name is not canon: http://thelifestream.net/canon-of-ffvii/what-is-the-name-of-ffviis-planet/ == The games, movies and prose entries in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII have thus far not revealed a proper name for the world in which its heroes, villains and other literary figures carry out their struggles. The only title ever used in reference to their planet is simply that: "the planet.?h Official English localizations of the original game for the Sony PlayStation and Windows PC on occasion write "Planet?h with the first letter of the word capitalized. This arguably gives the impression that the planet's name is simply "Planet" or "the Planet." However, the word in this case is translated from the Japanese word "hoshi" (?星), meaning "star" or "celestial body." Usually used in reference to stars, it can technically mean any object in space, though ambiguity is typically avoided with reference to our Earth, sun and moon -- or suns and moons unrelated to our Earth -- by using more specific wording. Furthermore, "hoshi" is not written out in Japanese katakana as ?z?V, as would be expected were it intended to be a proper name. Granted, Hojo's name is written in kanji as ?o?d both in-game and in other official materials, but he is a unique exception to an otherwise well-established rule, and said exception may have more to do with "Hojo" being an already existent Japanese surname. The localization choice to capitalize the first letter in "Planet" was likely made as a way to emphasize which planet is being referred to rather than a deliberate attempt to give the impression that the planet's name is "the Planet" -- e.g. the proper name of our Earth's moon in the real world is "the Moon" and our sun is "the Sun." In all post-original game Compilation material, the official English localization writes "planet" with a lower case p. Even so, it has remained popular among the English-speaking community to capitalize the first letter in reference to the specific planet on which FFVII takes place. A popular theory among fans is that the world's official name is "Gaia." However, this name has so far only been reported in official English sources and, therefore, cannot be counted as FFVII canon. -History of the FFVII "Gaia" Theory- At the 2004 Electronics Entertainment Expo (E3), the Square Enix booth gave away pamphlets promoting Advent Children. These referred to FFVII's planet as "the world of Gaia": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/AdventChildrenE3Handout. jpg In light of the original game featuring a location to the utmost north known as "Gaea's Cliff" (?K?C?A?I?a?C in Japanese; "Gaia" and "Gaea" both being valid romanizations of ?K?C?A), the name had a precedent and seemed to fit. Fans caught on to this, expecting the stream of Compilation material to further validate this notion, and "Gaia" would subsequently find its way onto many FFVII forums, wikis and other fan sites. Over the following years, however, additional references to the planet by this name would be few and far between. At present, the total count, including the aforementioned pamphlet, amounts only to four cases. Here follows descriptions for the other three: -Square Enix's North American webpage for Dirge of Cerberus includes a "Hangman" minigame in which the visitor may answer questions about the FFVII mythos. One question reads, "What is the world in which the story of FINAL FANTASY VII takes place?" to which the correct response is "Gaia." The page and the minigame date back to 2006. Screenshot and source: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/gaiadoc.jpg http://archive.na.square-enix.com/dcff7/ -In August 2012, the official North American Square Enix website published a Series Biography article summarizing the basic release history and plot of each numbered Final Fantasy title. In FFVII's entry from the article, its world is again dubbed "Gaia": "In FINAL FANTASY VII Cloud Strife battles the supremely powerful Sephiroth in an effort prevent a massive meteor from colliding into the world of Gaia." Screenshot and source: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/gaia3.jpg http://na.square-enix.com/finalfantasy/go/article/view/final_fantasy_25th_anniv ersary/259443/final_fantasy_series_biography_--_the_numbered_seriesm -Final Fantasy: All the Bravest, released for iOS devices on January 17, 2013, includes the following description in its entry on the FFVII iteration of the enemy Ultima Weapon: "Thanks to Gaia's gift of wings, this Weapon has the annoying habit of flying away." -Researching Japanese Sources- An extensive search through the Japanese corner of the web by forum members Squall_of_SeeD and The_Kusabi_ yields not a single hit for "Gaia" in the context of FFVII other than with regard to the frozen area that must be scaled in order to reach the Northern Crater. Furthermore, both researchers have scoured the FFVII Ultimania Omega guidebook published in 2005 and have yet to find a single claim for the planet having a name. The Japanese word for "planet," hoshi (?星), is all that can be found. Nothing in the official mythos links Gaea's Cliff to any supposed name for the planet, and it is clear that the fan community in Japan does not acknowledge the name "Gaia" as an official name for FFVII's world. Most illuminating of all, on June 17, 2013, The_Kusabi_ provided a great service to his fellow FFVII fans in the form of a screenshot from the Japanese version of All the Bravest, revealing that the name "Gaia" does not appear in that edition. Screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/nogaia.png Here also are his translation of and commentary on the text in Ultima Weapon's entry: ---- ?星が生み出したウェポンシリーズで最強を誇りその翼で大空を飛び回る "With the pride of the greatest of the Weapon Series birthed by the Planet, it flies through the great skies on wings [given by the Planet]." This is a very -rough- but direct translation of the text. Note that ?￣ is used in the text as the name of the planet, whereas ?K?C?A (Gaia) is not present at all. ---- Squall_of_SeeD has also provided an additional, cleaner translation: "With the pride of being the strongest in the series of Weapons produced by the planet, it sails through the sky on its wings." We may never know with 100 percent certainty if the reference in the Advent Children pamphlets was simply the mistake of someone in Square's marketing department or if it genuinely holds some connection to intentions by the original developers of FFVII. We can, however, safely consider it most likely that the name "Gaia" is little more than a mistake that survived on the web for just over nine years from May 2004 to June 2013. It is not farfetched to think that the FFVII community itself helped keep the mistake alive by referring to it in fan-made guides and on wikis -- which, in turn, may have been used by North American Square Enix staff for research in the writing of their web features and the localization of Final Fantasy: All the Bravest. All facts and research considered, it is deemed very unlikely that FFVII's planet has a canon name. Article Author: Shademp Editor: Squall_of_SeeD Thanks to JBedford128, The_Kusabi_, Prince Lex and Squall_of_SeeD for contributing to this article. == The planet will still be referred to as "Gaia" throughout the rest of this document due to this author's partiality to the name. Just be aware that the name is not canon. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Did Jenova come to the planet on Meteor, on a regular meteorite, or did it simply smack into the planet with its own body? *A: According to Chapter 5 of Maiden Who Travels the Planet, featured in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 587), as well as the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania guide (pg. 31; pg. 33 in the Revised Edition), Jenova came to the planet on a normal meteor. It was this meteorite's impact which produced the planet's great scar that is known as "the Northern Crater." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Is Jenova male or female? *A: While it typically appears as a female during the main events of the game, in light of its ability to change its shape and in light of it -- or parts of it to be more specific -- taking the form of Sephiroth during the course of the game, it cannot be reasonably classified as male or female with any strong measure of certainty. It may very well be without a biological sex. In the years immediately following the release of the game, it was often believed that Jenova was considered a male by the Cetra based on a bad translation of lines from Ifalna in the original U.S. release of the game: ---- Gast "Who is the person that appeared at the North Cave? I haven't any idea." Ifalna "That's when the one who injured the Planet... or the 'crisis from the sky', as we call it, came." "He first approached as a friend, deceived them, and finally...... gave them the virus." "The Cetra were attacked by the virus and went mad... transforming into monsters." "Then, just as he had at the Knowlespole." "He approached other Cetra clans...... infecting them with... the virus..." ---- While this PlayStation version of the game's script had Jenova referred to as a male at this point, in the later PC Version of the script -- in which many errors were corrected -- "it" was used in place of "he." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Are the Weapons alive or are they robots? *A: Once upon a time, I'd believed the Weapons were giant robots created by the planet. I think I believed this in part because of Ultimate Weapon's appearance, and partly because I thought the hole shot through Diamond Weapon exposed sizzling circuitry rather than fried sinew. I had a pretty stupid understanding of the Weapons, obviouisly. While Ultimate Weapon at the least is most certainly made of metal and bears a distinctly cybernetic-looking core in its chest, the Weapons are openly referred to as monsters in-game. In a game with as much metaphysical stuff as FFVII has already at work, simply because one or more of the Weapons might be made from materials that one typically doesn't associate with living creatures doesn't mean those creatures are necessarily not alive. Especially if those creatures were created by the Lifestream, the source of life and the true form of the planet, housed within the large chunk of physical materials we typically think of as the planet. The FFVII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 215) and the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania guide (pg. 31; pg. 33 in the Revised Edition) also refer to the Weapons as living creatures. The planet simply used the natural resources that composed the physical material surrounding the Lifestream as raw materials in making its automated defense system of monsters that came to be known as the Weapons, and then imbued spirit energy into these physical materials. So it's pretty clear that it was a stupid theory I had back in the day. Though I abandoned it long before I wrote this FAQ, I think it bears explaining why I would have ever even had such a question in here to begin with. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Did the blue Weapon that attacked Junon have a name? *A: Yes. The official name of that Weapon is Sapphire Weapon. This is known for several reasons, though I originally confirmed it via the official toyline featuring a small toy of the Weapon that included a character card clearly entitled "Sapphire Weapon": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Final%20Fantasy% 20VII/SapphireWEAPONToy.jpg This confirmation has since been beaten into the ground, though. Various official materials released over the years have referred to the Weapon as Sapphire, including the Final Fantasy VII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide released by Famitsu/Aspect (pg. 194 in the Revised Edition), the FFVII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 215), and the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 31; pg. 33 in the Revised Edition). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: How old was Sephiroth? *A: While no official materials have offered an exact age for Sephiroth, it can be roughly determined from information in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide. It's stated that Lucrecia gave birth to Sephiroth 25 to 30 years before the original game began (pp. 9, 54). Therefore, Sephiroth was 20 to 25 years old during the Nibelheim incident. Since his body dissolved in the Lifestream and had to be reconstructed after Cloud threw him in there, Sephiroth's age should probably be considered to stop around 25, the same as Vincent's is accepted to have stopped at 27. *Source: AC Reunion Files book (pg. 60) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Does Sephiroth's Masamune not draw blood, as is said to be true of the legendary Masamune in the real world? Would this explain why Aerith didn't bleed when Sephiroth skewered her in Final Fantasy VII? *A: It definitely draws blood. There's blood on the blade after Cloud pulls it out of his shoulder in the original version of Advent Children, and there's definitely plenty of blood spewing out of Cloud when he gets sliced up by Sephiroth in Advent Children Complete. There probably wasn't blood coming out of Aerith in the original game to avoid difficulties rendering it realistically and to avoid a more mature rating for the game. May have also simply been an artistic choice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Is Vincent immortal? *A: Essentially. After being mortally wounded by Hojo approximately 23 years before the original game began and then being brought back to life through experimentation, Vincent has eternal youth. He's now immortal, continuing to retain the youth he had at 27 years old decades later. *Source: FFVII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 46); FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania guide (pg. 68; pg. 70 in the Revised Edition) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Can Vincent fly in his regular form? *A: Apparently he can fly at least short distances, as seen from him floating slowly down to the ground just before he joins AVALANCHE in the original game, and again when he jumps off the Highwind over Midgar and floats to the ground without wearing a parachute. In AC, he also demonstrates the ability to float upward and even change direction in mid-air on two occasions, first during the battle in the Sleeping Forest, when he rescues Cloud, and again in the battle with Bahamut Sin, when he emerges from flames below Barret. The FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania guide (pg. 70; pg. 72 in the Revised Edition) also acknowledges that these scenes from AC seem to demonstrate Vincent has this ability. Considering how reserved and focused all of his movements look, though, it may be that he doesn't use flight for extended periods of time to so as to prevent triggering his transformations. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What is written on the plaque on the helmet Jenova wears in the Nibelheim flashback? *A: It varies from one version of that scene to another. Thus far, there have been three different versions of the writing on the plaque. In the FMV from the original game, it said the following: "JENOVA MADE IN HONG KONG ALL RIGHTS RESERVED 1996 SQUER COMPANY LIMITED" In Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, it said this: "JENOVA |μ|-Era 19591010 発見 |μ|-Era 19670702 封印" or "JENOVA Discovery Mu-Era October 10, 1959 Sealing Mu-Era July 2, 1967" The alphabet character between the two vertical bars is the lowercase form of Mu, the twelfth letter of the Greek alphabet. When I first wrote this FAQ, and even when I last left it, I had believed that this use of the letter was intended to identify the era in question as the "Middle-Era." I think I'd reached that conclusion because I'd read that this character was historically used to denote "middle" -- as it is the twelfth of the twenty-four characters in the Greek alphabet -- the same way alpha and omega were used to denote "beginning" and "end." Not really sure why I thought that made so much sense, though. The Greek letter on the monument in Edge is the lowercase form of the thirteenth letter in the alphabet, Nu (v), which -- as far as I know -- wasn't used for any such purpose. Finally, the appearance of the plaque in Last Order bears this inscription: "JENOVA STRICT SECRECY SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY SECTION SHIN-RA COMPANY LIMITED" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What is it that Reno often adds to the end of his sentences? What does it mean? *A: He's adding "to" to the ends of his sentences. It's basically used for the same purpose that "yo" has colloquially in English: to add emphasis to his informal manner of speaking. Example: "What's up, yo?" That said, he phrases it differently at times, giving it a different context. For example, he places "yo" before it on two occasions, both times early in the movie when speaking to Tseng. This indicates that Reno has respect for Tseng. While one should still never use something like this when speaking to a superior, as it's considered rude, the fact that Reno uses the more polite "yo" instead of its harsher form "zo" -- which he usually uses -- makes it a sign of respect. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Just what *did* that "Watch out! This isn't just a reactor!" line early in the original game mean? *A: The context of the situation was "Open your eyes!" or "Take notice!". Either would have worked better in English than "Watch out!", as this was the first of many attempts by Cloud's subconscious to get him to remember the truth about his past. For more on that, refer to the "Identity of the voice in Cloud's head" article in the "In-depth analysis" section of this FAQ. The next time Cloud is in that same area of a mako reactor, he has a flashback to Tifa cradling her father's dead body in Nibelheim's Mako Reactor. So, basically, the voice is telling Cloud that as far as the reactor's personal significance to him goes, it is more than just a place that supplies electricity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What's up with Cloud still talking about having been in SOLDIER if you have him talk with Yuffie after the Lifestream Sequence underneath Mideel? This conversation is available *literally* right after Cloud's mind gets back in order and you he tells the team that he was never in SOLDIER. Did Tifa just waste her time in the Lifestream? *A: You're, of course, referring to this conversation: ---- Yuffie "Huh? How would you even know? You don't know how tough it is... getting sick on boats and rides...... So, please...... just leave me alone.?J Cloud "......I really do understand, Yuffie. When I get sick on a flight, it's a real killer. When I was in SOLDIER, I completely forgot about my motion sickness." Yuffie "Oh...... Isn't there any way to prevent this?" Cloud "Well, according to my research...... First off, if you're nervous a lot, you won't get sick. But you can't always be nervous. With this much space, your best bet is to move around while you're riding. It also might be a good idea to stretch sometimes, too. But in SOLDIER, we spent a lot of time in trucks. That sucked!...... And there's one thing you mustn't do when riding. And that is...... Read! Once you get sick, there's nothing anyone can do. I know it's tough......" Yuffie "......so you're a little better off than me. But I don't feel...... well. Where's the next stop? Can't you get there any quicker? Cloud, put me in your party, so I can get off this ship." ---- Turns out that this one is explained by simple translation errors. In the line, "But in SOLDIER, we spent a lot of time in trucks," Cloud is just referring to when he was a regular Shin-Ra grunt. The word for "soldier" he uses there is the kanji "heishi" (?o?m) rather than the English word "soldier" written out in katakana. The latter is what's used to refer Shin-Ra's elite force. So, Cloud was simply saying, "When I was a soldier, I had to ride in trucks a lot." As for the other line concerning Cloud's days -- or lack thereof -- in SOLDIER, "When I was in SOLDIER, I completely forgot about my motion sickness," what he actually said here was "When I thought I was in SOLDIER, I completely forgot about it, though": "Jibun ga SOLDIER da to omotte ita ha sukkari wasurete ita kedo na." Thanks to hitoshura of TheLifestream.net for assisting me in translationg the line above. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: What's with the miniature Cait Sith and Toysaurus in the Lover's Room of the Honeybee Inn? *A: Why it was in there exactly, I'm not sure, but the couple in the room was Reeve's parents according to the FFVII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 81) and the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 88; pg. 90 in the Revised Edition). So it has something to do with that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: Aerith or Aeris?: Which Should it be? What's the origin of this name? *A: "Aerith" -- and, consequently, "Aeris" -- is a Japanese transliteration of the English word "Earth." *Source: Final Fantasy VII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete Revised Edition (pg. 14) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Aerith.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Aerith2.jpg A romanization of that transliteration would be written as "Earisu" (エアリス). The official romanization chosen by the character's creators, however, was, at first, "Earith" and later "Aerith." *Source: Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 534) As for why they chose this spelling, my guess is that it was just a matter of aesthetic preference. It would be pronounced the same either way to a Japanese speaker. "Aeris," of course, comes from the original English translation of FFVII, and was likely chosen because it better conveyed to native English speakers how the name is pronounced. That being said, feel free to use any of the following: Aeris, Aerisu, Aerith, Earis, Earisu, Earith or Earth. If you want people to know who you're talking about, though, you'd probably be safer using Aeris, Aerith or maybe Earisu. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Q: "Lockhart" or "Lockheart"? Which is actually Tifa's last name? *A: "Lockhart" -- without the "e" -- is Tifa's last name. Though it has been published as "Lockheart" in official materials over the years, it was always English materials that did so, such as the instruction manual of the North American release (pg. 8) and the BradyGames strategy guide (pg. 12). In Japanese publications, including the FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete (pg. 12 in the Revised Edition), the FFVII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 23), the AC Reunion Files book (pg. 19), and the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania guide (pg. 42; pg. 44 in the Revised Edition), it is spelled as "Lockhart.". Even English materials have taken to this spelling of late, such as the credits for the English releases of Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, their English websites, and the instruction manual for the North American release of Dirge of Cerberus (pg. 18). Just as with Squall Leonhart of Final Fantasy VIII, there is no "e" in the "hart" part of Tifa's name. *Q: How can Cid be born in Rocket Town? *A: Official sources, such as Cid Highwind's profile in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, identify Cid's birthplace as Rocket Town. But how can this be possible when it appears that the town was not there during the failed rocket launch, only four years before the original game takes place? Seemingly, the easiest and most likely answer is that Cid could not have been born in Rocket Town and that the claim that it is his birthplace is an error. But can we find a way for this odd piece of canon to work? We might assume that the town was nearby before the development and launch of Shin-Ra's many failed rockets, only not yet expanded to right next to the launch area. The town had gone by a different name up to this point, but after expansion was then bestowed a new one, "Rocket Town," coined after the failed Shin-Ra No. 26 rocket. In this scenario, Cid would have been born in the prior, differently-named incarnation of Rocket Town, but -- for simplicity's sake -- official materials would still identify his birthplace with the current name the same way a person born in one of the eight towns that became Midgar might be said to have been born in Midgar. This is all speculation, though. Until the canon tries to explain itself, the most simple conclusion is that Cid was not born in Rocket Town and that no town existed there prior to the failed launch of Shin-Ra No. 26. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------In-depth analysis--------------[5.0In] Advent Children [5.1In] -1-The origin of Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz [5.11In] When it first came out, the most hotly-debated aspect of AC was the origin and nature of Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz, commonly referred to by fans as the silver-haired men, or SHM for short. They were usually misinterpreted to have been part of Hojo's Sephiroth copy project, or even individuals that were genetically altered with Jenova's cells prior to birth the same as Sephiroth was. Though I accurately identified what they are in all past versions of this FAQ, I did so in a painfully long-winded manner. I apologize for that. It's going to be fixed as of now. As identified in the AC Reunion Files book (pp. 54, 56, 69), the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 98-99; pg. 100-101 in the Revised Edition), and On the Way to a Smile: Case of the Lifestream Black, Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz were physical manifestations of Sephiroth's spirit. The term used in the official English localization of the film for the three was "remnants of Sephiroth." While accurate, it lacked a complete context for English speakers. The Japanese term localized into "remnants" is "shinentai," which literally means "thought body." If that sounds similar to "the spirit bodies of the Ancients" seen in FFVII, it should. It's the same idea, although the Japanese term in that case was "seishintai." So, long story short, the silver-haired guys were remnants of Sephiroth's will that took on physical form after his spirit began diluting into the Lifestream at the end of FFVII. His will was too powerful to accept defeat, so the parts of the Lifestream he was dissolving into were bent to his will and -- though he wasn't able to completely reform at the time -- they emerged from the Lifestream as Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz. Since the chunks of the Lifestream that became these three would have contained more than just Sephiroth's thoughts, that likely accounts for the variations in personality seen among the three, though Sephiroth's influence is obviously greatest. They all have similar hair, eyes and taste in clothing to Sephiroth, and all are left-handed as well. They took form with incomplete knowledge about Jenova, and were unwittingly guided by Sephiroth's desire to get hold of Jenova's remaining cells so that he could have his physical body back again. When Kadaj finally came in contact with the cells, Sephiroth regained his body -- since Jenova cells are pretty much what he's made of -- and he was allowed to live again. Visually, the film depicted that Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz were made of Lifestream energy rather than ordinary flesh and blood by them being able to insert materia directly into their bodies, and by the black mist -- which looks a lot like the negative Lifestream that Sephiroth summons -- that rises off them at various times: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/DarkMist.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Contamination.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Assimilation.jpg As such, when Aerith cleansed Kadaj of Sephiroth's influence at the end of the film, the Lifestream energy he was made of returned to its natural green state: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Salvation.jpg The same process is seen underway with Yazoo and Loz before they explode. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -2-Symbolism in Advent Children [5.12In] *Advent Children: The term "advent" means "an anticipated arrival." In the case of Christian mythology, it refers to the second coming of Christ. In the case of Advent Children, the title was used as the film featured the return of Sephiroth, who had aspired to become the god of FFVII's world, and whose origin has obvious allusions to that of Christ. See the "Symbolism from our world in Final Fantasy VII" article further down for more on that. As for the "children" in question in the title, they could be Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz, or the children who were afflicted with geostigma. *Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz as a trinity: According to Christianity, God is composed of three spiritual components, or personas. These are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are a trinity that arose from Sephiroth's defeat at the end of Final Fantasy VII. His will manifested them from the spirit energy it contaminated, and thus, they are him, though they have individual personalities. *Aerith's role: Aerith has essentially become the will of the planet itself. She guided its Lifestream to the salvation of humanity at the end of Final Fantasy VII, and she again guides the will of the planet in Advent Children, bringing healing to Cloud and others, and destroying all Jenova cells that her holy water-like rain touches. The symbolism here is that she has become Mother Earth -- near the end of the film, both Cloud and Kadaj even call her mother. With that and all she does in the film in mind, recall that Aerith's name is a Japanese transliteration of the English word "Earth." *Cloud pouring water on Denzel's head: This is symbolic of baptism, the concept in which one anointed with the spirit of God and empowered with his authority to cleanse someone of their sins pours water on the head of a repentant sinner. The action is believed to clense one of their past evil and grant them spiritual rebirth. In the film, this "baptism" cleansed Denzel of the evil of Jenova's cells, curing him of geostigma. The script of the film included with the Limited Edition North American release even described the scene as "like a holy man baptizing someone," so it's safe to say the symbolism in this case was deliberate, even if all the rest were somehow accidental. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Final Fantasy VII in general [5.2In] -1-Jenova [5.21In] 1) What is Jenova? [5.211In] Jenova is an ancient life form that traveled via a meteor to the planet Gaia some 2,000 years before the main events of the original game. Her landing site was the giant fissure -- and wound to the planet -- known as the "Northern Crater." The area where Jenova arrived was the "Knowlespole" (bad translation of "North Pole" seen in the original English releases of Final Fantasy VII), a lush and fertile land at the time, as it was the home of a Cetra tribe that had cultivated it. These Cetra had been the first to discover the planet's wound and attempted to help the planet heal, using their abilities to guide the planet's flow of spirit energy to the wound. However, the wound was too severe, and would have to be left to the planet to heal on its own. Further still, due to the planet's spirit energy being redirected to the Northern Crater, the land around that area -- the North Pole -- withered away, and the planet tried to persuade the Cetra to leave that place. As they prepared to abandon their land, a being appeared at the Northern Crater and approached the Cetra, feigning friendship, appearing to them -- either through projected psychic illusions, or through shapeshifting -- as their dead relatives. When it got close enough, it infected the Cetra with a virus that caused insanity and monstrous physical transformations. The being then proceeded to approach other Cetra clans and do the same to them. This being was Jenova, and thus it was that Jenova came to be known to the Cetra as "the Crisis from the Sky." A small number of uninfected Cetra banded together and mounted an assault on the Crisis, defeating her and sealing her away. Jenova is eventually discovered by Professor Gast of Shin-Ra, Inc. some 2,000 years later. He then studies her, names her Jenova, and mistakenly identifies her as a Cetra. In addition, he and his assistant Hojo extract some of the creature's Cells and use them in an effort to create a new Cetra. To this end, they inject Jenova cells into the womb of another scientist, Lucrecia, who was pregnant at the time with Hojo's child. That child was Sephiroth. Thus, the greatest of the problems that would be faced by AVALANCHE and the planet Gaia began. While the exact details of Jenova's origin are unknown, what she is and what her goal may have been can be speculated. My guess is that Jenova was essentially a virus. The virus it unleashed upon the Cetra were likely its own cells, which are capable of changing form and of causing mutations in other life forms. "The ability to change one's looks, voice, and words, is the power of Jenova." Viruses have two goals: survival and replication. By infecting other life forms, Jenova was replicating, as these other creatures would be as an extension of the creature. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Jenova's powers [5.212In] Based on what we're told by Ifalna and Sephiroth, as well as the Nibelheim illusions that appear during the Reunion, we know that Jenova has the power to shapeshift and the capacity to project illusions of a realistic nature. We're further made aware of the creature's shapeshifting abilities through witnessing separated parts of Jenova -- such as its arm/tentacle -- transform into large creatures that were complete with their own heads. This is also made evident by separated parts of Jenova taking on the form of Sephiroth, as revealed by the encounters with Jenova-BIRTH, Jenova-LIFE and Jenova-DEATH in the original game, or by Sephiroth's ressurrection in Advent Children. It's also known that those with Jenova cells within them can be controlled by Sephiroth's will. This is displayed on more than one occasion in the original game via Cloud and the black-cloaked individuals that were drawn to the Reunion, and via the children afflicted with geostigma in Advent Children. In addition, Jenova's cells were apparently capable of phasing through solid matter and then solidifying once again, similar to the Martian Manhunter/Jonn Jonz of DC Comics. This is demonstrated on two occasions in the original game. Once, as a form of Sephiroth phases up through the floor of the Shin-Ra cargo ship before transforming into Jenova-BIRTH, and a second time in the Temple of the Ancients. There, a Sephiroth form seemingly phases in through a wall behind Tseng, solidifying and speaking with him momentarily before striking him down with a sword. As for other abilities, the power to physically divide and recombine are known, as well as the means to infect other life forms with a virus -- possibly the creature's own cellular material. Jenova constructs further demonstrate such abilities as energy projection and flight (possibly by virtue of telekinesis). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -2-Sephiroth [5.22In] 1) Who is Sephiroth? [5.221In] Sephiroth was the son of professors Hojo and Lucrecia, assistants to Professor Gast. While still a developing fetus in Lucrecia's womb, he was brought into contact with Jenova cells as part of Professor Gast's Jenova Project -- an experiment intended to produce people with the powers of the Ancients (the Cetra) in the modern age. Gast and Hojo injected Jenova's cells into Lucrecia's womb, where they then melded with Sephiroth's developing body and became one with his original cells. As a child, he never knew his birth mother, and would only be told that his mother's name had been "Jenova." Likewise, he didn't know who his father was. Later in life, Sephiroth would serve as the first of Shin-Ra's Jenova-type SOLDIERs. The process used on other SOLDIERs, however, was not identical to the procedure used on Sephiroth. Others only received an injection of Jenova cells after birth, typically in adulthood or adolescence. They would also receive an infusion of mako energy. This procedure enhanced the subject's physical strength and affinity for magic. At approximately twenty-five years of age, while on a mission to investigate monster appearances in the Nibelheim area, Sephiroth discovered the journals of Professor Gast in the Shinra Mansion's library. Making a connection between the "Cetra" Jenova of Gast's experiments, the Jenova he had been told was his mother, and a fear that he was the product of monstrous mako experiments, he came to believe that he had been produced from the genetic material of Jenova and that he was then the last Cetra. This awakened in him an anger toward the rest of humanity, and a belief that they were usurpers of a world that rightfully belonged to the Cetra. Sephiroth then proceeded to slaughter the citizens of Nibelheim and raze the town to the ground. Zack -- a fellow SOLDIER -- and Tifa -- one of the only survivors of Nibelheim -- went after him, as did Cloud, a regular Shin-Ra soldier and childhood acquaintence of Tifa's. Tifa and Zack followed Sephiroth to Nibelheim's nearby mako reactor where both were severly injured in battle with him. As Sephiroth prepared to claim the remains of Jenova from their storage in the reactor, Cloud charged into the room with Zack's sword, taking Sephiroth by surprise and stabbing him through his abdomen. Though grievously wounded, Sephiroth attempted to escape with Jenova's head. Pursued by Cloud, he easily skewered him with his sword, but was defeated nonetheless as Cloud used the blade of Sephiroth's own sword as leverage to throw him and Jenova's head into the Lifestream running below the mako reactor. While his body was destroyed within the Lifestream, Sephiroth would use his powerful will to reconstruct himself at the Northern Crater, where the planet's spirit energy was being constantly directed in order to heal the wound that was the crater. There, Sephiroth's newly forming body would be encased in mako and begin absorbing the surrounding spirit energy. Believed dead for years by the rest of the world, Sephiroth would eventually return five years later during the events of Final Fantasy VII to enact a plan to assimilate the entirety of the planet's spirit energy and become its ruler. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) The roles of Jenova and Sephiroth: The Puppet Master Theorem [5.222In] The longest and most intensely debated matter of Final Fantasy VII in the eight years following its release was this: Was Jenova or Sephiroth in control of the other during the events of Final Fantasy VII? My initial belief was that Jenova was in complete control of a puppet-like Sephiroth, though I now think I took this position mainly in defiance of the hardcore Sephiroth fanbase. Later, my position would change in that I came to believe there was little distinction to be made between Jenova and Sephiroth by the time of FFVII. My thoughts shifted to the idea that the two had essentially become one; that Sephiroth was Jenova in human flesh the same way Christianity sees Jesus Christ as God in human flesh. Given the game's extensive use of Judaeo-Christian symbolism, that made the most sense to me at the time and continues to be my interpretation of things. Square Enix's officially stated position on the matter is somewhat ambiguous. In Sephiroth's profile on pg. 53 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, we find the following: ---- Sephiroth's will and Jenova's will The Sephiroth copies who appear in various places all mumble Sephiroth's name as they gather for the Reunion. Though it seems Jenova's will consumed Sephiroth's mind when he was a human, has his will actually taken control of Jenova ...? [Screenshot caption] The voice of Sephiroth supercedes "Mother" Jenova and calls out to the cells in the copies. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/puppetmaster1.jpg Japanese text: ---- セフィロスの意志とジェノバの意志 各地のセフィロス・コピーたちは、セフィロスの名を口々につぶやき、リユニオン のために集まっていく。ジェノバの意志が人間としてのセフィロスの心を 食ったようでいて、じつはセフィロスの意志がジェノバを支配したのか……。 [Screenshot caption] セフィロスの声は”母”ジェノバを超え、コピーたちの細胞に呼びかける。 ---- The passage stops short of outright declaring that Sephiroth's will has rendered Jenova a mindless slave, though it does tell us that Jenova's instincts influenced Sephiroth at least for a time in Nibelheim, which is a valuable matter to have confirmed. The full details of their symbiosis afterward are left unclear, though one may argue that the question posed by this passage is phrased in a leading manner. Furthermore, while this passage has been translated differently by other fans in the past who took it more as a direct statement of Sephiroth controlling Jenova like a puppet, I contend that the above translation is more accurate and is reflected by comments in other official materials. Though Sephiroth's personality was unquestionably the dominant one, I still believe that the virus-like behavior of Jenova is indicated by his ongoing desire to assimilate the entirety of the planet's spirit energy and become one with the planet -- much like a virus seeks to infect all that it can, as Jenova had attempted before being sealed by the Cetra. Indeed, Sephiroth's profile in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania says that he "inherited Jenova's will to destroy the planet" (pg. 76; pg. 78 of the Revised Edition) and set out to achieve her "dreadful ambition" (pg. 78; pg. 80 of the Revised Edition). Even in Advent Children, he speaks of assimilating the Lifestream, then traveling the cosmos like Jenova and finding a new world to assimilate. Whether he knew it or not, Sephiroth had the instincts of Jenova and the two were, in all relevant ways, the same being by the time FFVII took place. Certainly the possibility was present for such a merge to occur given that Sephiroth fell into the Lifestream with Jenova's head, only for his own body to be dissolved and then reconstructed, as according to the Advent Children Reunion Files (pg. 60) and FFVII Ultimania Omega (pg. 211). At any rate, even the official position, as stated in Final Fantasy VII's Ultimania Omega, is that it was by virtue of having Jenova's head with him in the Lifestream that Sephiroth was able to influence the location of the Reunion (pg. 212), if not altogether how he was able to take command of Jenova's cells and power. Most insightful of all, perhaps, are these comments from Cloud's profile on pp. 38-39 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 40-41 of the Revised Edition): ---- "Cloud's pupils narrow, just like those of the Remnants of Sephiroth. It's almost as if he can never escape from Jenova's command..." "The only time he laughs in FFVII is during a conversation with Aerith at the start of the story, when Jenova is still in control of his consciousness." ---- Seeing as it is Sephiroth's command Cloud has actually been subject to, one wonders why the book chose to identify Jenova like this in the first quote -- and the active voice assigned to her in the second seems to assign her more of a role than that of a vegetable. More than anything else, Sephiroth and Jenova's names being used interchangeably like this points to the notion that the two had become the same being. Along these same lines, the entries for Jenova and the Jenova Project in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania's glossary of terms (pg. 31; pg. 33 of the Revised Edition) speak to Jenova being an active, involved participant in events: ---- "A life form from another planet, which arrived on the planet on a meteorite approx. 2000 years ago. While it is not yet completely clear what it truly is, it is extremely intelligent and has the ability to mimic any other living being. It has an instinctive drive to destroy planets, and is a highly dangerous entity, so -- as the 'Calamity from the Sky' -- it was sealed by the Ancients. It was excavated by the Shin-Ra Company and used as a valuable basis for human experiments, but -- together with Sephiroth, who was created by those experiments -- it once again came back into action to destroy the planet. Even though most of its physical body was lost during the Jenova War, its malevolent will remains, lurking in the Lifestream." "Jenova was a specimen that was mistaken for an Ancient. Based on these early mistaken perceptions, the Head of the Shin-Ra Science Department, Dr. Gast, began conducting experiments to resurrect an Ancient. The main goal of this experiment was to create an Ancient who could inherit the powers of the planet and lead them to riches, but the experiment ended up resulting in the revival of the great Calamity." ---- Likewise for Jenova's entry in the Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- The Complete Guide's Keyword Collection: ---- "Its relation to Sephiroth is like that of a parent and child, and in FFVII it continued to work with Sephiroth to summon Meteor and destroy the planet. After the final battle, it was defeated by Cloud's team and lost its physical body, but its mimetic legacy lived on within the Lifestream, and in AC it created Remnants such as Kadaj." ---- Here, actions otherwise attributed directly to Sephiroth himself (e.g. the creation of Kadaj in On the Way to a Smile's Lifestream Black entry) are attributed to Jenova. This once again demonstrates the interchangeable use of their names for the same entity. The creature's entry on the Dirge of Cerberus Official Complete Guide's Term List (pg. 318) also point to Jenova being alive and conscious: ---- "A life form in suspended animation discovered in a 2000-year-old geological stratum. Initially identified as an Ancient, in reality, it is intelligent life from somewhere in space. It could read the memories and feelings of the people on the surface, and, so doing, approached the Ancients, using its "mimicry ability" to replicate appearances, voices and language. It exterminated most of the Ancients, but was also sealed by them. However, in the present 2000 years later, it would awaken after being discovered by Shin-Ra's science division." ---- Though none of these entries quite come out and say so directly, the message is clear that Sephiroth has become the great Calamity itself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Did the Sephiroth copy With a "1" tattoo take on Sephiroth's form, or did Sephiroth have such a tattoo himself? [5.223In] A common misinterpretation of Final Fantasy VII's story in the years immediately following the game's release was that the man with a "1" tattoo that Dio speaks of having met is the same individual he later tells Cloud was Sephiroth. This led many to mistakenly believe that Sephiroth either had such a tattoo himself, or that the body of Sephiroth copy no. 1 from Hojo's experiments in Nibelheim was altered to look like Sephiroth. While both individuals, of course, would have wore black outfits, there are some very important key words in Dio's descriptions of his meetings with the two individuals -- and in his description of the man with the "1" tattoo -- that clearly set them apart. We first hear word of the individual with the tatto from a resident of North Corel who says that a "young guy" with a "1" tattoo was heading toward the ropeway that leads to the Gold Saucer. When Cloud meets Dio, he's asked if he's ever heard of something called a "Black Materia," as Dio states that a boy about Cloud's age (the guy with the "1" tattoo) had been asking about it. When Cloud asks if he knows where the guy went, Dio responds that he doesn't know. What's notable here aside from the fact that he states that he doesn't know where the guy went is that he doesn't make mention of this individual being Sephiroth. Just "a boy about your age." Later, however, when he mentions having met Sephiroth, he not only knows in which direction he has gone, but also again refers to Cloud's age, stating that Sephiroth must be very popular among young men that age. It can be safely determined that Dio made this determination based on the guy with the "1" tattoo being around Cloud's age and wearing a black cloak, attire somewhat similar to Sephiroth's. It is then, as a result of these two bits of information, that Dio recommends that Cloud follow Sephiroth and try to get his autograph: ---- "P.S. I just recently met Sephiroth. He must have a lot of fans with boys your age. Why don't you get his autograph? It seems he's headed toward the South of the river, towards Gongaga." ---- What's relevant about this is that Dio had no idea that Cloud was pursuing Sephiroth in the first place and, thus, there would have been no reason for Dio to have hidden this before, only to come clean later. He simply assumed that Sephiroth would be popular among young men Cloud's age because of the guy with the "1" tattoo and decided to tell Cloud about it. With that in mind, had the guy with the "1" tattoo been Sephiroth, it makes no sense for Dio to have randomly remembered the direction he'd gone in later and decided to tell Cloud about it without the benefitting of having seen evidence that Sephiroth would be popular among "boys your age." It should also be noted that Dio said it had been "a while back" when he had spoken with the young man with the tattoo, meaning that he makes a clear differentiation in the timeframe from when that occurred and when he had met Sephiroth. Dio identifies the meeting with Sephiroth as having taken place "just recently." The two meetings obviously occurred at different times, Dio's encounter with Sephiroth likely happening at some point during Cloud and the others' time in the Corel Prison. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Are the Sephiroth forms encountered throughout the game him or pieces of Jenova? [5.224In] In the years immediately following the game's release, the forms of Sephiroth seen throughout much of the game were often mistakenly identified by players as astral projections or transformed Sephiroth copies under his control. In actuality, the majority of these are pieces of Jenova -- including Jenova's main body -- in Sephiroth's form. As Jenova's cells can change form, it would be simple enough for the creature's pieces to appear as Sephiroth. When forms of Sephiroth fly off into the air those times they're encountered on the Shin-Ra cargo ship and in the City of the Ancients, boss battles against parts of Jenova follow. In the case of the form that flew away at the City of the Ancients, an object falls to the ground right after, initiating battle against Jenova-LIFE. This object was a piece of Jenova. Many have took this to mean that Sephiroth, a Sephiroth copy with an altered appearance, or an astral projection of Sephiroth capable of physical interaction, flew away and dropped this piece of Jenova. This understanding was due mainly to Cloud's statement on the cargo ship that Sephiroth was carrying Jenova. However, no rendering of Sephiroth carrying anything at that point was placed into the game, even though Jenova's head was rendered during the scene where he carries it. The validity of Cloud's statement can further be called into question as, perhaps, having been an assumption on his part; AVALANCHE had just been knocked to the floor as the Sephiroth form flew away, and possibly wouldn't have had a good look at the Sephiroth form as it ascended into the air in the first place. Therefore, with a piece of Jenova falling and transforming before them, Cloud likely just assumed Sephiroth must have been carrying Jenova's body. For clarification, it should be noted that the Sephiroth form on the Shin-Ra cargo ship was the entirety of Jenova's body which had escaped from the Shin-Ra headquarters. In the instances of the slaughter of Shin-Ra personnel both on the cargo ship and at their headquarters, either Red XIII or a Shin-Ra employee note that the perpetrator wasn't human: Red XIII: "No human could have done this" ... Shin-Ra employee on the cargo ship: "....the Engine Room... a suspicious..... character... No... there's no way.... that...... not a human..... That thing's not human....." Also worth noting is that back in Shin-Ra's headquarters, Jenova's containment vessel appeared to have been blasted open from within. Furthermore, Palmer makes no note of the Sephiroth form that killed President Shinra carrying Jenova with it at the time of the murder. This is because that form of Sephiroth actually was Jenova's body. In further spite of Cloud's statement on the ship, there is other evidence to defy his conclusion. First, in regard to the real Sephiroth having been present, his real body had been encased in mako in the Northern Crater all that time, and could not have been off doing those things seen in the game. When AVALANCHE finally gets to his real body, Cloud -- having realized his earlier error -- even uses the phrase "the real Sephiroth is just beyond here." Also consider that the Sephiroth form seen at the Northern Crater descends upon the party, lands near them, and then turns to face them in a battle-ready position while AVALANCHE stands and prepares for battle. All the way up to the point that this screen transitions to the battle screen, the form of Sephiroth is seen on the environment map as being AVALANCHE's opponent, yet when the battle begins and switches to the battle map, Jenova-DEATH is in the Sephiroth form's place. Perhaps most importantly of all, in the scene following the battle comes Cloud's realization and declaration that it had been Jenova's body, not Sephiroth's real body that AVALANCHE had been chasing: Cloud "Jenova's cells..." "...hmm. So that's what this is all about." "The Jenova Reunion..." Tifa "Not Sephiroth!? You mean all this time it wasn't Sephiroth we were after?" ::Cloud shakes his head:: This scene also showed that -- with the Reunion complete by killing Hojo's copy experiments and sending their bodies into the crater -- Sephiroth no longer needed that piece of Jenova to go about in his form. Thus, before the battle, Sephiroth utters the line, "This is the end of this body's usefulness." Also notable is that when Jenova-DEATH is defeated, left behind in its place is the Black Materia, which Cloud had handed over to a Sephiroth form earlier in the game. While one could argue that this only proves that the Sephiroth forms are what transformed into the Jenova bosses, and not that they are pieces of Jenova, when Jenova-BIRTH is defeated, it reverts into a tentacle of Jenova that the party recognizes as having been part of Jenova's body back in the Shin-Ra headquarters: Tifa "I've seen this somewhere... before." Cloud "...Jenova. The arm of Jenova." All this was confirmed as the official take on things in 2005 by the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide (pp. 112, 157, 163, 204 and 213), but was apparent even before then. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Who are the Sephiroth copies? [5.225In] Though I don't think this is really a matter of confusion any longer, for the first several years after FFVII was released, it was intensely debated whether the "Sephiroth clones" in the game were genetic duplicates of Sephiroth or something else. I'm going to go ahead and keep this article in the FAQ in case someone who is playing the game for the first time comes across this FAQ. While the term "copy" is used in reference to Sephiroth's copies ("clone" in the original English releases of FFVII), the intended meaning of this word is that they are people who underwent similar experimentation to Sephiroth. This involved their bodies being injected with Jenova's cells and infused with mako. The Sephiroth copies are simply the people that survived Sephiroth's massacre in Nibelheim five years before the main events of the game, and were then captured by Hojo upon his arrival there shortly after Sephiroth's defeat at the hands of Cloud. We know this based on the letter left to Tifa by her childhood martial arts instructor: "Tifa, what's happened to our town? Was it all an illusion, or just a dream? No, it was neither. I remember trying to get people out of the flames, but not having the strength... Burning with anger, I went to the reactor to kill Sephiroth." "But he was nowhere to be found. Instead, I found you, collapsed inside. I felt saving you was far more important than going after Sephiroth. There were several others that were still alive inside, but I was only able to save you." "As I was coming out of the reactor, Shinra troops were just arriving. I recall a scientist named Hojo was in charge. He ordered the troops to gather up everyone still alive for the experiment. I didn't know what type of experiment he was talking about, but I wasn't about to let them have my dearest student." We also know this based on the Periodic Report to Professor Hojo that can be found in "Tifa's House" on the desk across from the piano in Nibelheim in the game's present: "1 Clone Activity Report Unforuntately, no 'CLONES' have left this town this quarter. As previously reported, the 'CLONES' seem to be sensing something. But all they say is 'reunion' or 'Sephiroth' and show no other signs of activity." Based on this we know that the point of origin for the Sephiroth copies was Nibelheim, and taking into consideration that Hojo had ordered the Shin-Ra soldiers that accompanied him five years before to round up all the survivors for an experiment, these survivors are certainly the Sephiroth copies. Also, we know that Cloud had a real childhood and truly grew up in Nibelheim based on the memories that Tifa helps him piece together in the Lifestream. With all this in mind, it would be more accurate to say that the experiments performed on Sephiroth were copied rather than Sephiroth himself. For that matter, the word "copy" -- used in the Japanese version of the game -- is itself less indicative of a genetic duplicate than "clone" is in English. All that was copied was the experimentation conducted on Sephiroth, and even that wasn't an exact reproduction. If interested in an official source for this information, check out pg. 213 of the Final Fantasy VII Ultimaina Omega guide. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Purpose of the Sephiroth copy experiment [5.226In] While, again, I don't think there's really any confusion about this in the present, there was a lot of it in the first few years following the game's release. Even among those who understood that the Sephiroth copies weren't genetic clones, it was commonly thought that the purpose of Hojo's experiment was to produce people with his physical strength and power. As the potential for that confusion is still there for someone playing just this game for the first time, I'm going to leave this in as well. Hojo's experiment was designed to test the validity of his theory concerning the Jenova Reunion, which stated that even if Jenova's cells are separated, those separated pieces will eventually reunite: (Hojo, at the Reunion) Hojo "You see, even if Jenova's body is dismembered, it will eventually become one again. That's what is meant by Jenova's Reunion." We know this for one primary reason. At the Northern Crater, upon seeing Cloud, Hojo declares his experiment a success, saying that the Jenova Reunion Theory has been proven: Hojo "Ha, ha, ha... this is perfect!!!" "It means that my experiment was a complete success!" ... Hojo "...I'm not wild about the failure part, but the Jenova Reunion Theory has now been proven." Also, such official sources as the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide confirm this as well (pg. 213). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) What are Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth? [5.227In] Two frequently debated matters of Final Fantasy VII's storyline were the nature of Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth. A matter difficult to pin down from the start due to neither form receiving any attention within the narrative was rendered all the more difficult due to the graphical limitations of the time of the game's development. However, from observing character designer Tetsuya Nomura's designs of the two bosses, a guess at their nature can be determined. Bizarro Sephiroth is actually a pupa-like entity in Sephiroth's form (its bangs match Sephiroth's hair -- known among some in the fandom as "the Bangs of Doom") from which Safer Sephiroth was emerging, thus the name of the background music for the Bizarro battle being "Birth of a God." This certainly fits due to the angelic and heavenly appearance of Safer Sephiroth. We can be certain that Safer Sephiroth was "hatching" from Bizarro Sephiroth due to the torso of Safer Sephiroth protruding from Bizarro Sephiroth's head, as well as the wings of Safer Sephiroth extending from behind the smaller torso: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Bizzaro-Sephiroth.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Safer-Sephiroth.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/BizarroSephirothffvii .jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Bizarro_sephiroth.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/SaferSephiroth-1.jpg The biggest indication of this rebirth of Sephiroth is that the katakana in the name of Bizzaro Sephiroth (???o?[?X?E?Z?t?B???X) could be written out to mean "Rebirth Sephiroth" in addition to the "Reverse Sephiroth" meaning that lent itself to becoming "Bizarro Sephiroth." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -3-Cloud [5.23In] 1) Who was Cloud really? [5.231In] For several years after the release of the original game, this was perhaps the greatest point of confusion and debate among those who had played FFVII -- even among hardcore fans. "Was Cloud a genetic duplicate of Sephiroth?" "Was he made from Jenova's cells?" "was he a real person?" These questions were asked and argued frequently. For the benefit of anyone who may play the original game today and be confused about this, I'm going to leave an article explaining who Cloud was in this FAQ. Cloud was a boy who grew up in Nibelheim and left around the time he was 14 or 15 in the hopes of joining SOLDIER and becoming strong like the legendary Sephiroth. There were two primary reasons for this. First, he wanted to impress Tifa, and, second, he wanted to be able to protect her if she ever needed rescuing again, as he had failed to help her once before when she fell into a gorge in the mountains. Both of these reasons, of course, point to Cloud's feelings of inferiority and uselessness. He wanted to be strong, respected and -- above all -- noticed. The spring before leaving Nibelheim, he called Tifa out to the town well and told her of his decision. She then asked him to make a promise to her that if she were ever in trouble that he would come rescue her. As this happened to be one of his reasons for wanting to join SOLDIER to begin with, he promised without hesitation. He left Nibelheim the following summer and went to Midgar in the hopes of joining SOLDIER. Of course, he didn't make the cut and was deeply ashamed. It is for this reason that he insists upon hiding his identity from Tifa when he returns to Nibelheim as part of Zack and Sephiroth's entourage. After the events that take place during their mission there (Sephiroth's destruction of Nibelheim, murder of its People, and his assault upon Tifa, Zack, and Cloud, culminating in Cloud defeating Sephiroth and the silver-haired villain taking his plunge into the Lifestream beneath the Mt. Nibel mako reactor), Cloud and Zack are captured by Hojo, along with the remaining survivors of Nibelheim. For the next several years, they were captives in his laboratory in the Shinra Mansion, where he infused them all with mako and injected them with Jenova cells as part of his Sephiroth copy experiment for the purpose of testing the Jenova Reunion Theory. Zack eventually managed to free himself and Cloud from the Shinra Mansion, and they made their way back to Midgar -- Cloud in a semi-catatonic state the entire way, suffering from the effects of extreme mako poisoning. When they finally returned to the outskirts of Midgar, Zack was gunned down and killed by Shin-Ra soldiers and Cloud left to die. Cloud survived, however, and stumbled his way into Midgar, where he was found by Tifa at a train station. After recovering under her care, she was able to get him to work for AVALANCHE. This is where events were then picked up at the beginning of the game. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Why didn't Cloud lose his sense of identity like the other Sephiroth copies? [5.232In] While Cloud did suffer the same mako poisoning effects as the other subjects in Hojo's Sephiroth copy experiment, he didn't succumb to them entirely, nor was he held completely under the sway of the Jenova Reunion as the others were. At the time of Zack's death, Cloud had little concept of his own identity remaining to him. He merely had that concept which he had aspired to be like and had been able to witness in another for the previous five years: Zack. This, along with the memory-duplicating abilities of the Jenova cells within Cloud, kept him from being left with a broken mind. He had Zack's identity to focus on during his weakened state, and in an attempt to help him function again, his mind used the Jenova cells within him to duplicate stories Cloud heard from Zack -- as well as some of his memories -- as though Cloud had been the one at the center of those events. These false memories were then imprinted onto Cloud's psyche. His new identity nearly complete, when Cloud was next discovered by Tifa at the train station in Sector 7 of Midgar, the Jenova cells also duplicated Tifa's memories of Cloud, and, likewise, imposed these onto Cloud's shattered psyche. With these two sets of duplicated memories and mannerisms, Cloud was given a new personality that would allow him to function as an individual once again, even if it would mean that he had a flawed recollection of his past. Amongst the copied characteristics Cloud gained, he adopted several characteristics of Zack's personality and mannerisms at this point, particularly incorporating events in Nibelheim involving Zack into his mind as events that had involved him instead. This was made all the easier by the fact that he was now wearing a SOLDIER's uniform, was in possession of Zack's sword, and possessed great strength and agility due to Hojo's experimentation. Cloud had an identity to focus on with which to pull himself out of his lost state amidst all the memories floating around in his head as a result of the mako poisoning. Source: FFVII Ultimania Omega (pp. 68, 211, 213, 589) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Was Cloud a failed Sephiroth copy? [5.233In] Perhaps the most frequently misunderstood aspects of Final Fantasy VII's story in the years immediately following its release were those related to the matter of Cloud being a Sephiroth copy. Aside from misinterpretations that this meant he was a genetic duplicate of Sephiroth, he was also usually believed to have been a failure in Hojo's experiment involving the Sephiroth copies. Where the confusion regarding this matter arises is from Cloud and Hojo's conversation in the Northern Crater before Meteor is summoned: Hojo "Ha, ha, ha... this is perfect!!!" "It means that my experiment was a complete success!" Hojo "What number were you? Huh? Where is your tattoo?" Cloud "Professor Hojo... I don't have a number." "You didn't give me one because I was a failed experiment." Hojo "What the--? You mean only a failure made it here?" Cloud "Professor... please give me a number. Please, Professor..." Hojo "Shut up, miserable failure..." What was often overlooked about this is that it was CLOUD who told HOJO that Cloud was a failure, and -- bearing his lack of a numbered tattoo as proof -- Hojo believed him. For his part, Cloud believed that he was a failure based on his lack of a tattoo, and what Sephiroth had told him moments earlier: Sephiroth "Ha, ha, ha......" "I want to take you back to your real self." "The one who gave me the Black Materia that day..." "Who would have ever thought a failed experiment would prove so useful?" "Hojo would die if he knew." Cloud "Hojo!? What does he have to do with me!?" Sephiroth "Five years ago you were..." ...constructed by Hojo, piece by piece, right after Nibelheim was burnt." "A puppet made up of vibrant Jenova cells, her knowledge, and the power of Mako." "An incomplete Sephiroth-clone. Not even given a number. ...That is your reality." Deceived by this false information, Cloud believed that he not only wasn't a normal human being, instead constructed from Jenova cells infused with mako, but that he was a failed experiment at that. This influenced what he told Hojo, and subsequently, Hojo's feelings toward Cloud. What Cloud failed to recall at this time was that Zack broke himself and Cloud out of the Shinra Mansion before Cloud could be given a tattoo, for Cloud was not the failure at all. Zack was. In defining who is and is not a failure in the experiment that Hojo was carrying out, one must recall what Hojo was attempting to test with the Sephiroth copies and how he was going about doing so. His Nibelheim experiment was conducted for the sake of testing his Jenova Reunion Theory. In order to conduct this experiment, Hojo had the survivors of Sephiroth's massacre in Nibelheim rounded up for experimentation. Once captured, they were infused with Mako and injected with Jenova's cells. A body and mind that displayed no response to the influence of Jenova's cells would obviously be ill-suited for testing the validity of the Reunion Theory, as their own will may override Jenova's attempt to call that individual. With this in mind, only the weak-willed would be suitable for the experiment, and, thus, successful. It was Cloud that had a reaction to Jenova's cells, whereas Zack did not: (From the Escapee Reports in the back of the Shinra Mansion's library; note that Zack is Specimen A (the former member of SOLDIER), while Cloud is Specimen B (the regular)) Escapee Report No. 2 Description of the time of capture. A - Former member of SOLDIER/Number ( ) No effect could be detected from either Mako Radiation Therapy or Jenova on him. B - Regular/Number ( ) Reaction to Jenova detected. Note also that in the parentheses where the two would have had numbers, there are blank spaces. They had not yet received numbers. Further evidence for Cloud's successful status comes from Hojo moments before his death. Hojo himself declares Cloud to be the only Sephiroth copy that was successful, as Cloud was the only one he saw at the Reunion: Hojo "Every time I see you, I..." "It pains me that I had so little scientific sense..." "I evaluated you as a failed project." "But, you are the only one that succeeded as a Sephiroth-clone." While Cloud was actually not the only successful copy -- those in the black cloaks were not seen by Hojo, as they had been killed moments before and their bodies cast down into the Northern Crater to be assimilated by Jenova -- this still confirms his status as a success. For those interested in an official source on this matter, see pg. 213 of Final Fantasy VII's Ultimania Omega guide. The answer to the once eternal question of Cloud's failure or success as a Sephiroth copy is that he was a success. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Identity of the voice in Cloud's head [5.234In] An especially debated point for several years after FFVII's release was the identity of the voice that Cloud often hears throughout Final Fantasy VII. I will definitely be leaving the article that explains this matter. The voice was actually Cloud's subconscious. At one point the voice tells Cloud to ask Tifa about what happened five years before: (At Junon) "...That reminds me." "You again?" "...Who are you?" "...You'll find out soon. ......But more importantly, 5 years ago..." "5 Years ago... Nibelheim?" "When you went to Mt. Nibel then, Tifa was your guide, right?" "Yeah.... I was surprised." "But where was Tifa other than that?" "...I dunno." "It was a great place for you two to see each other again." "...You're right." "Why couldn't you see each other alone?" "...I don't know. I can't remember clearly..." "Why don't you try asking Tifa?" "...Yeah." "Then, get up!" It would have been detrimental to Sephiroth's plans to tell Cloud to do this, as it was Cloud's fragmented psyche that allowed him to be weak enough to control, so that rules out Sephiroth as a candidate for identity of the voice. Learning the truth would have caused Cloud to have to piece the past together and accept himself for who he was, solidifying his sense of identity. That would -- and eventually does -- give him the mental stability to resist Sephiroth's control. While it would have been a hindrance to what Sephiroth had in mind for Cloud to learn the truth at that point, as it would have strengthened his mental fortitude, it would have done exactly what Cloud's subconscious wanted. When his subconscious speaks with Tifa in the Lifestream, it's trying to help Cloud learn about the truth of his past, the same as the voice telling him to ask Tifa about Nibelheim no doubt must have been, for Cloud's mind would have been stronger had he known the truth. Notice as well that at an even earlier time when the voice spoke to Cloud, it tried reminding him of a time that had taken place five years before in an effort to get him to remember the rest: (While sleeping at Aerith's house) "...seem pretty tired......" Cloud ".......!?" "I haven't slept in a bed like this ....in a long time." Cloud "....Oh, yeah." "Ever since that time." ::The scene fades in to Cloud's house in Nibelheim:: A similar memory is called to mind by the voice in the first few minutes of the game, as Cloud is told "This isn't just a reactor!!" while planting the bomb that destroyed Mako Reactor 1. When in the same area within Mako Reactor 5, a memory to Sephiroth's massacre of Nibelheim arises in Cloud. Perhaps the greatest piece of in-game evidence pointing toward Cloud's subconscious as the identity of the mysterious voice is that in the Honey Bee Inn's &$#% Room, Cloud actually encounters his subconscious (in the form of his younger self) and speaks with it briefly: ::Cloud enters the room and a bright flash occurs. A translucent form of his younger self his before him:: Cloud "Hmm.....? You.....?" "What are you doing in a place like this?" ::Cloud clutches his head:: "That's what I want to ask you. Should you be foolin' around here?" "You think problems will go away just thinkin' about them?" ::The younger form of Cloud rises and flies forward into Cloud's body:: "Oh no!" "Help! Someone...! Hurry!" "You can't change anything by just sitting back and looking at it." Cloud "What are you saying?" "It's started moving." Cloud "What has?" "Wake up!" Note particularly that the double of Cloud in the Honey Bee Inn is a younger form of him, just as the form of his subconscious was in Cloud's mind when Tifa helps him piece his past together, and note also that this younger form called to him to stop when he was handing the Black Materia over to Sephiroth at the Temple of the Ancients: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/YoungCloud.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/YoungCloud2.gif It is with this same younger form of Cloud that the other transparent forms of him fuse once Tifa has helped Cloud regain his past in the Lifestream. After that, the adult form of him that was hanging overhead fused with the younger form. Beyond this point, there ceases to be any voices in Cloud's mind as there had been before. Something else to consider is the following dialogue which takes place in Cloud's head after his fall from the upper plate of Midgar into Aerith's church below: "...You all right? " "...Can you hear me? " Cloud ".....Yeah....." "Back then... You could get by with just skinned knees....." Cloud "What do you mean by 'back then'?" "What about now? Can you get up?" Cloud ".....What do you mean by 'that time'? .....What about now?" "Don't worry about me. You just worry about yourself now." Cloud ".....I'll give it a try." Note particularly that the the voice says "back then" Cloud could get by with just skinned knees. Later, in the Lifestream, when Cloud's past is being revealed, a very important aspect of the past for Cloud is unveiled: This was when he and Tifa fell into a gorge on Mt. Nibel, Tifa suffering injuries that resulted in a week-long coma, whereas Cloud only received skinned knees. It was this event that propelled Cloud toward wishing to become stronger, and, thus, inspired his desire to enter SOLDIER. Given that the voice in Cloud's head made an allusion to this very important aspect of Cloud's past, it's safe to assume that this was once again his subconscious bringing up matters that would possibly spark Cloud's recollection of his true past. Finally, consider that in the game's ending, when we're shown the mental battle with Cloud, the double that rises out of him is an adult at that point, rather than a child, and Cloud was then able to fend off Sephiroth's mental assault, and purge his mind of his influence: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Final%20Fantasy%20VII/ FinalConfrontationAwaits.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Final%20Fantasy%20VII/ FinalConfrontationAwaits2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Final%20Fantasy%20VII/ FinalConfrontationAwaits3.jpg This was after the child form of Cloud's subconscious had fused with the adult form in the Lifestream. If these points are not enough evidence for those still skeptical, an official source that eventually confirmed Cloud's subconscious as the intended identity of the voice can be consulted on pg. 68 of the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Who is Cloud in love with? [5.235In] [Note: The definitive presentation of this article can be found at: http://thelifestream.net/reviews-analysis/dilly-dally-shilly-shally-an-ltd-anal ysis/ where it was originally published on October 31, 2013] "Like an abattoir full of retarded children ..." [5.2351In] Initially, I'd intended for this document to ignore the LTD like a plague. It succeeded in that for a good number of years, but updating it after an absence from this fandom of more than three years, I felt a need to address this topic. Why? Probably because I felt that I couldn't call the FAQ's analysis complete without talking about what remained the most passionately and frequently debated aspect of the game more than 12 years after its release. It has now (most recent update: October, 2013) been almost 17 years, and that is still the case. Furthermore, this article has now gone through two major revisions since its initial publication. I'm determined for this to be the last. It's a promise I've made to myself. "Well, what is the LTD?" you may ask. Before we analyze the topic, it would likely be beneficial for us to first go over exactly what the topic is. Certainly readers unfamiliar with the subject will need that foundation before we continue. To those already familiar with the debate's background, you may skip ahead without missing anything of import. To the uninitiated, I envy you for having escaped the LTD's vicious maw for this long, and apologize for now placing you in its frigid embrace. You would have found your way here eventually anyway, for it is that manner of evil with which we are dealing, but you are nonetheless entitled to an expression of penitence for being shoved into the abyss that awaits. Like an intellectual Sarlaac, the LTD draws in all that it can to be slowly and painfully digested over a thousand years. That's not a mistake, by the way: the LTD digests *you*, not the other way around. So, knowing that we are about to cross the event horizon into a realm of endless darkness and deeper despair, what then is the LTD? If your guess is the automobile of the same name manufactured by Ford, while a good -- and very close -- guess, what "LTD" actually refers to here is the Love Triangle Debate of Final Fantasy VII. Specifically, the debate -- if, indeed, it can be called that at all -- which seeks to answer the question, "Which woman is Cloud Strife in love with, Aerith Gainsborough or Tifa Lockhart?" Players of the game's North American and PAL releases setting out on their maiden voyage with Final Fantasy VII will first become aware of the love triangle in Aerith's bio from the accompanying instruction booklet: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 5l3HQpi.jpg "Her unusual abilities enable her to use magic, but she seems more interested in the deepening love triangle between herself, Cloud and Tifa." Shortly into playing the game proper, it becomes readily apparent that both Tifa and Aerith have an ever-growing romantic interest in Cloud. Their feelings are not in doubt here. Instead, the question is "Which of the two is Cloud himself in love with?" If Helen of Troy was the face that launched a thousand ships, then Cloud Strife is the face that launched a thousand debates -- and I say that without any fear it could be hyperbole. A search of the terms "Cloud," "Aerith," "Tifa" and "love" in the search engine of your choice will more than adequately demonstrate why. Over this question, more than a few arguments (in every sense of the word) have sprung up, in advancement and dispute of as many points of contention. While not all will be covered here (they couldn't possibly be), I am confident all the major fronts in this senseless conflict will be. We're almost ready to delve into all that, but before we do, we should quickly go over a little more background terminology. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: the shippers. ==== Fearful Symmetry [5.2352In] Those fans who prefer -- or "ship," as the verb goes; derived from "relationship," obviously -- Cloud with Aerith or Cloud with Tifa have named the pairings portmanteaus of the names of the two characters in their favored ship (it can be a noun too, you see). The Cloud & Aerith pairing is known variously as Clerith (most frequently), Cleris, Clorith, Cloris, Clourith and Clouris, while the Cloud & Tifa pairing is usually called Cloti. Other common titles for these pairings include: CloudxAerith, Cloud/Aerith, CloudxAeris, Cloud/Aeris, CxA, C/A, CloudxTifa, Cloud/Tifa, CxT and C/T. The fans of these pairings are usually referred to by the portmanteau names belonging to the pairings themselves (e.g. Cleriths and Clotis). All this being said, obviously a Clerith may still argue that Cloti is canon, and a Cloti might argue otherwise if that's what they believe. If any explanation is needed for the word "canon," by the way, see the article "What is the FFVII canon?" elsewhere in this document. While I have gone to battle in the deepest hills of LTD dung for years and have had my ship preference since the beginning (seriously, I played FFVII the day of its release in North America), it was initially based on my own preferences in women. More to the point, I couldn't stand Aerith and adored Tifa. If you fear that this declared preference for Tifa may bias my views in this analysis, that's not an unreasonable concern. I hope that I may alleviate it, however. Whether I can or not, though, in any public address, it is necessary to state one's personal views upfront. Otherwise, it becomes a question of honesty. While I like Aerith much more today than I did back then, I'll admit that I still prefer Tifa. Somewhat ironically, I have had a long-term relationship with a woman who reminded me of Tifa and have been married to another who is far more like Aerith in both personality and appearance. Makes one wonder how I would feel about Aerith and Tifa if today I were playing FFVII for the first time. I do believe this, though: You won't find someone with no opinion on the LTD actually discussing the matter at length. Not only because it takes a vested interest in the first place, but because it's impossible. Anyone analyzing data and drawing conclusions from it, even if they began as neutral, no longer is by the end of the process. This is as true of researchers making employ of the scientific method as it is of scholars conducting media analysis. They must, of course, attempt to distance themselves as much as possible while drawing their conclusions, though. You are free to determine otherwise if not convinced, but I believe the three-and-a-half-year absence I took from this fandom between January 2006 and September 2009 gave me that distance. I will tell you outright that I could not have discussed this matter with an adequate degree of distance in 2005. Whether I am credible I leave to each of you to decide. ==== The Judge of All the Earth [5.2353In] We now move into the main portion of this article. Rather than immediately looking at evidence to determine an outcome to the LTD, we must first be confident that an answer exists for us to find. There is, after all, no rule that love triangles must be resolved, nor -- even if they are -- there is no rule dictating that two of the people in the triangle must end up together. Doubts that we can determine an outcome to the debate have been expressed over the LTD's many years, often based in whole or in part on a quote on pg. 531 of the Kingdom Hearts Ultimania. There, Tetsuya Nomura -- character designer of FFVII, as well as director of Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts -- had the following exchange during an interview: (translation by Thorfinn Tait) ---- ?-"Okay then, so the person who Cloud is searching for is Aeris, right?" Nomura: "Well, what do you think? If indeed it was Aeris, then the bit in the ending was the answer. You might say it was made so that you can take it that way. Cloud is a popular character, and I don't really want to decide myself, yes he is like this. Because players make strong conclusions by themselves, I want to leave room for everyone's line of thought." ---- Translation source: http://web.archive.org/web/20040322091716/http:// www.thorf.co.uk/faqs/kingdom_hearts_interview_translations.txt Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ whocloudsought_zps48ec93ae.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ whocloudsought2_zps1889f737.jpg Japanese text: ---- ――では、クラウドが探しているのは、やはりエアリスなんですか？ 野村　どうなんでしょう？　エアリスだったとしたら、エンディングでひとつ 答えが出たことになる。そこはそうとも取れるようにしてあるというか。クラウド はやっぱり人気のあるキャラクターなんで、自分としては、こうなんだという 断定はあんまりしたくないかなと。ユーザーのかたがたの思い入れが 強いでしょうから、みなさんの考える余地を残しておきたいんですよ。 ---- While this interview comes from a book about Kingdom Hearts rather than Final Fantasy, and while the first three sentences of Nomura's response are certainly only about KH, his phrasing that "Cloud is a popular character" is an obvious segue into discussing Cloud in general. That being the case, might Nomura also want to leave up to player interpretation who Cloud is in love with? Another quote that some have taken to mean there is no answer to the mystery of the LTD comes from the November 2005 issue (published in October 2005) of Dorimaga magazine, now known as Gemaga. In that issue, Japanese celebrity and self-identified Final Fantasy fan Shoko Nakagawa interviewed Nomura, at one point having the following exchange with him: (translation by Yam) ---- Shoko: "How many girls has Sephiroth ever loved?" Nomura: "What kind of question is that? I've never thought about it. Honestly, I don't care who loves whom. I think you could imagine the scenarios that we don't mention however you want to. You could enjoy talking about that with friends. For example, I was frequently asked if there had been a romantic relationship between Tifa and Cloud for two years, after FF7 ended, but I don't have any clue." ---- Translation source: http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=109&more=1#ixzz1emPV2ER4 A second translation has since been performed by Sesc: ---- Shoko: "By the way, up until now how many girls has Sephiroth gone out with?" Nomura: "That's a great question... I haven't really thought about it. Honestly, I don't care who goes out with whom. What's not already shown in the games/films -- I think it's better for the fans to enjoy it by imagining it as you like, and after that you can enjoy discussing about it with your friends. For example, I often get asked if Tifa and Cloud were in a romantic relationship in the two years prior to AC -- but I don't know." ---- Source scan (courtesy of hitoshura): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ howmanygirls.jpg Additional Japanese source: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108082249/ http://ff7-material.jugem.jp/?eid=2086 Japanese text: ---- 中川：ところで、セフィロスは今まで何人の女の子と付き合ったことが あるんですか？ 野村：スゴイ質問だなぁ。考えたこともないですね。正直、僕は誰と 誰が付き合っているとかっていうのは、どうでもいいんですよね。ゲーム や映像で描かれていないところは、好きに想像して楽しんでもらった ほうがいいと思ってます。想像の余地があるもののほうが終わったあと に友達と話していて楽しいですし。 たとえばクラウドとティファが「AC」 までの２年間に恋愛関係にあったのか？とかよく聞かれたりもしますが、 僕は知らないです。 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ fgquote.jpg ---- There's also one final comment from Nomura to go along with this interpretation, this one from the staff commentary on the Advent Pieces Limited edition of the Japanese Advent Children DVD: (translation by Yam) ---- Advent Children was made by a Japanese staff. Generally, Hollywood movies demand exact answers. For that, AC might not be kind to people who need it. You can interpret or understand things as you like. For example, the wolf that sometimes appears or the statue of an angel... we have own answer, but if you interpret something, it's also an answer. So, you can enjoy exchanging your opinion with friends. Advent Children is a piece of work made so that you want to talk about it with others. ---- Translation source: http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=109&more=1#ixzz1emPV2ER4 What then are we to make of these statements from Nomura? If he cannot rule out or confirm whether Cloud and Tifa had been in a romantic relationship in the two years following the events of Final Fantasy VII, then would that not indicate that he is unaware of whether Cloud is in love with either Tifa or Aerith? Is seeking an answer to the question of Cloud's affections a fool's errand before it has even begun? Well, yes, it is -- but not because there is no answer. For several reasons, we can be confident that these quotes are not telling us there is no canon outcome to the LTD. In the first place, Nomura only seems to be speaking for himself here rather than for everyone in the FFVII development team. Kazushige Nojima (FFVII and Advent Children's scenario writer), for instance, may have had other intentions -- and did, in fact, as we will see further into this article. It wouldn't be the first time the two have had different visions for their work. According to Nomura in an interview from the Kingdom Hearts II Ultimania, Nojima had written the script such that the nature of Cloud and Tifa's relationship to one another in that game was explicitly identified, but Nomura decided to make it less obvious: (pg. 724) ---- -"Speaking of Tifa, there's an event after beating Sephiroth where she interacts with Cloud." Nojima: "In Nojima's scenario, the connection between Cloud and Tifa was discussed more concretely, but I chose to erase that. I thought it would be more interesting for players to think about it instead. For example, with the meaning that 'if Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness, then Tifa is his light,' one may take the understanding that Tifa isn't human. It may be because Tifa isn't human that she doesn't talk with anyone but Sora's group. Of course, since she was also presented in a way where she could be seen as a resident of Hollow Bastion like Cid, Aerith and the others, I think one can freely ponder that." ---- Source scans (courtesy of nunuu): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightistifa_zps07ed6cd9.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightistifa2_zps1b0bc27d.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightistifa3_zps3f967693.jpg Japanese text: ---- ――ティファと言えば、セフィロスを倒したあとに、クラウドをまじえたイベントが 用意されていますね。 野村　あそこに野島さんのシナリオだと、クラウドとティファの関係がもっと 具体的に語られていたんですけど、自分のほうで削除させてもらったんです。 遊んだ人に考えてもらったほうがおもしろいだろうな、と思って。たとえば、 「クラウドにとっての闇がセフィロスならば、光はティファである」という意味で、 ティファを人間ではない存在としてとらえてもいいんじゃないかと。ティファが ソラたち以外の人と会話しないのは、人間として存在していないからなのか もしれない。もちろん、シドやエアリスたちと同じようにホロウバスティオンの 住人だととらえることもできるような表現になってますから、そのあたりは自由 に考えてもらっていいと思います。 ---- Furthermore, Nomura's second statement (the Dorimaga quote) speaks of imagining for oneself "what's not already shown" in the stories he and his colleagues produce, but -- again, as we will see in this article -- Nojima had already gone into the topic of Cloud and Tifa's relationship. These comments from a 2008 interview with FFVII director and producer of Advent Children Yoshinori Kitase must also be taken into consideration: ---- Even after those 10 years, Mr. Nomura and Mr. Nojima are still essentially in charge of the world of Final Fantasy VII. "Anything relating to the stories, Mr. Nojima, who is no longer with Square Enix, is really still the top authority," explains Kitase. "Anything relating to characters specifically, and a little of the backstory around the characters, that would be Mr. Nomura, the character designer's domain; any kind of art direction is still Mr. Naora, who is the art director. And I'm the 'etc.' guy," he modestly concludes. "Anything not included in those areas is my domain. Those are the major four people still involved in the Final Fantasy VII universe. If any one of them died it might disrupt the balance." ---- Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/04/28/ crisis-core-final-fantasy-vii-uk-interview?page=2 Here, Kitase explained that Nojima is ultimately the authority on the stories of the Compilation of FFVII. Though he does acknowledge Nomura having a significant role in relation to the characters, it's clear from the manner in which he describes it that this role relates more to backstory and character design, while developments in the story proper are Nojima's jurisdiction. It's also not beyond reason that Nomura could have changed his mind about the status of Cloud's romantic life after this interview from 2005. Indeed, he seems to speak with some certainty about it in a statement from the Advent Children Reunion Files book, published the following year (more information on that later in this article). For that matter, the 2005 Dorimaga interview came years before several important statements that we will soon be analyzing, and even before several entries in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII series. That in mind, it cannot be assumed that future information could never change the accuracy of Nomura's comments, nor his willingness to stand by those comments. If the context could change, so too could his thoughts on Cloud's love life. I would also argue that Nomura knew the answer all along, but simply preferred letting people figure out the answers on their own. He himself had previously said the following about Advent Children in the June 2004 issue (published May of 2004) of Famitsu PS2, on pg. 33: ---- "What is the relationship between Cloud and Tifa?" Nomura: "I think that this volume is able to deeply grasp the relationship between the two. It would be simple to say in words, but ..." ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ truth1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ truth2.jpg Additional Japanese source: http://web.archive.org/web/20120515032013/http:// ff7ac.hotcafe.to/magazine/magazine14.html Japanese text: ---- ティファとクラウドの関係は？ 「ふたりの関係については本編で深く把握することができると思います。 言葉で言ってしまうのは簡単ですが・・・・・」(野村)。 ---- Yoshinori Kitase said something similar during the month of the film's release. On pg. 104 of the October 2005 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly (issue #196; published in September 2005), he said the following in response to the question, "Since Dirge of Cerberus is, chronologically speaking, the furthest game in the FFVII timeline, does it have a happy ending?": ---- "AC and DC both have their own resolutions, so don't expect cliff-hangers there. Also, DC isn't the direct sequel to FFVII, Advent Children is. So we can't view DC as the ending to the whole big FFVII saga. Plus, FFVII definitely has so many diverse elements, and different fans have interest in different characters, so if, for example, one person is interested in Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith's relationship, then AC may provide some sort of answers for them. Somebody else might be interested in Vincent, so they might want to explore DC. It's not like this is going to complete the whole story, but it will satisfy fans who have strong attachments to individual characters." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/ Squall_of_Seed/egm102005.jpg ---- Finally, while Nomura said in the staff commentary of the Advent Children DVD that the staff have their own answers to puzzles from the movie and viewers may come up with different answers, that philosophy can't be applied to literally everything in the movie --- as would be the natural consequence of applying that logic to mean the staff's answers aren't the canon answers. For instance, while the significance of the angel statue might not have been answered, most things about the film have been given canon explanations. As an example, the nature of what Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are was definitively answered on pg. 69 of the Reunion Files, where they are identified as "the physical manifestation of Sephiroth's spirit" -- and by Nomura himself, no less: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kyl.jpg The On the Way to a Smile story, Case of the Lifestream Black -- written by Nojima, and published three years after the Reunion Files -- even goes so far as to depict the moment in which Sephiroth created these avatars from within the Lifestream: (translation by hitoshura) ---- So the man found memories of a suitable appearance from the Lifestream, and with that form produced an image. It was the form of a boy. Soon the man remembered that being on the surface was incomparably more limited than the freedom of being a spirit. He created two more agents to do his work. These three were separate entities, and at the same time he himself. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lifestreamblack.png Japanese text: ---- そこで男は、ライフストリームの中から適当な容姿の記憶を見つけ出し、 その姿で像を結んだ。少年の姿していた。やがて男は思出した。地上での 活動は、精神の自由さとは比較にならないほど窮屈だ。男は手足となる 者をさらに二人作り上げた。地上に立った三人は地人であり、同時に 自分自身だった。 ---- Even the meaning of the wolf Nomura mentioned in the staff commentary quote a few paragraphs back is explained within the staff commentary, as well as on pg. 86 of the Reunion Files (along with other mysteries besides, e.g. what was being used for fuel in a post-Meteor era): http://thelifestream.net/advent-children/ advent-children-staff-commentary/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rfsecrets1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rfsecrets2.jpg The wolf's significance is also explained on pg. 131 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 133 of the Revised Edition): ---- The wolf residing in Cloud's heart Whenever Cloud sinks into depression, this wolf appears in the scenery of his mind. It appears at Zack's grave, in the slum church, and the Forgotten Capital. These are places where Cloud's thoughts turn to unshakeable sadness. The wolf is a symbol of his regret and isolation -- that is why this wolf from his heart disappears before he awakens in the final scene. [Beside the screenshot of the wolf] The wolf symbolizes Cloud dragging around the past. That is why he is depressed. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ moreguiltwolf.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドの心に住む狼 クラウドが物思いに沈むとき、その心の風景には狼が現れる。ザックスの 墓標で、スラムの教会で、そして忘らるる都で。これらの場所は、クラウド に忘れられない悲しみを思い起こさせる。狼とは、彼の悔恨と孤独の シンボル--だからこそ、ラストシーンの目覚めの前に、彼の心から狼は 消えていくのだ。 [Beside the screenshot of the wolf] 過去を引きずるクラウドを象徴する狼。それゆえ元気がない。 ---- In all three places, the wolf is described as a representation of Cloud's innermost guilt and regrets. Hell, the developers of the film even went so far as to break down the time of day each event took place in the movie on pp. 82 and 83 of the Reunion Files. Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 084.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 085.jpg Clearly, there wasn't much desire for leaving things to interpretation with this story on the part of anyone but maybe Nomura -- and even he seemed to have given up on that idea by the time the Reunion Files came out. Going back to the Dorimaga quote that much of this "open to interpretation" stance is based on, it's entirely possible that Nomura didn't even so much say "I don't have any clue" as simply "I don't care." As TheLifestream.net forum member hitoshura explains: ---- “Shiranai” (知らない), which was used in the original text of that Nomura “idk” can also carry the meaning of not caring about something. Which, if he said he isn't bothered about who loves who earlier, might be the sense he is using it in when he later references Cloud and Tifa. ---- For further explanation, hito has also provided the many following examples of the root verb “shiru” (知る) being used in that context: ---- それは僕の知ったことじゃない.　 I have nothing to do with the matter. ｜ It's no concern of mine. ｜ That's not my business. ｜ To hell with that. そんなことおまえの知ったこっちゃない. It's none of your business. 会社がどうなろうと俺の知ったことか.　 I don't give a damn what happens to the company. 「そんなところに(車を)止めたら後の人が困るだろ」 「知るもんか」　 "If you park there, the person parked behind you won't be able to get out." "Who cares?" そんなに食べてお腹が痛くなっても知りませんからね.　 If you get a tummy ache from eating so much, you won't get any sympathy from me. 知らないからな.　 I won't be responsible for this. 「しまった, 彼女との約束 5 時だったの忘れてた」 「えー, ぼくは知らないからねー. 彼女今ごろかんかんだぜ」　 "Darn! I forgot I promised to meet her at 5." "What!? Leave [Keep] me out of this. She must be madder than hell right now." 頼まれただけのことはするが, あとは知らない.　 I will do what [all/anything/everything] I'm asked to do, but no more [the rest does not concern me/I will have nothing to do with it after that]. 僕はそんなことは知らん I will have no concern with such matters/have nothing to do with such matters/have nothing to say to such matters. 後はどうなろうと僕は知らない. I don't care about the consequences. ---- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ shiru_zps48d640e4.jpg For the reasons we've gone over, there is more than adequate reason to believe the LTD could have a canon outcome, despite Tetsuya Nomura's preference for each viewer forming their own literary interpretation. Whether you're convinced at this point that there is or is not an answer to be found to the LTD depends on you. If you do not yet believe, however, I ask that you at least walk with me a while longer. The most compelling material yet awaits us. Prior to delving into that material, however, a brief aside is called for regarding Ultimania guidebooks, which have been mentioned a few times thus far and which we will be looking at in extensive detail in the sections to come. Published since 1999 by Square Enix (still just Square Co. at the time, with the Ultimanias then distributed through their publishing subsidiary, DigiCube), the Ultimanias are thick guidebooks featuring gameplay information, official artwork, developer interviews and background information on the fictional worlds of their respective games. The first to be published was the Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania on March 31, 1999. Since that time, dozens of other books in the series have followed. The content of each Ultimania is assembled by employees of Studio BentStuff, a Japanese company specializing in writing video game guidebooks. This fact -- that Studio BentStuff rather than Square Enix -- writes the books has led to some doubt of their legitimacy in reflecting canon information. Where not contradicted by later installments, however, the information provided by the books is most certainly canon, for various reasons. First, and most obviously, they are published by Square Enix, as noted on the cover of every Ultimania. Even those originally bearing the "Published by DigiCube" notation have since bore "Published by SQUARE ENIX" upon reprint, as with the Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiiultimanias.jpg Secondly, many Ultimanias include a small wraparound on their covers bearing a stamp that states "Direct Delivery from Production Area, Official Guidebook of Square Enix"/ 産地直送 スクウェア・エニクスの公式ガイドブック, as on the cover of the FFXIII-2 Ultimania Omega: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffxiii-2uostamp.jpg Finally, even with Studio BentStuff doing the majority of the work, the guidebooks are still written under the supervision of Square Enix staff and go through an editing process with Square Enix staff before being approved for publication. More to the point, in the case of several of the Ultimanias we will be drawing from in this analysis, they were written under the supervision of FFVII’s actual scenario writer, Kazushige Nojima. For an example, let us begin with the credits of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, found on its last page, and see what duties are attributed to whom: ---- 出版・編集 (Publication and Editorial): Square Enix 企画・構成・執筆 (Planning, Constituion and Writing): Studio BentStuff デザイン&DTP (Design and Desktop Publishing): Wan Inc. カバーデザイン (Cover Design): Tadashi Shimada (Banana Studio) インタビュー撮影 (Interview Photos): Handmade Co. 監修 (Editorial Supervision): Square Enix ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuocreditspage.jpg Under each section are the names of the specific people involved and their respective contributions. Of most relevant note, under "Editorial Supervision," we find COMPILATION of FFVII 宣伝スタッフ (Compilation of FFVII Publicity Staff), 野村哲也 (Tetsuya Nomura) and 野島一成 (Kazushige Nojima). Next, let’s look at the credits page of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania. Under "Editorial Supervision" and now also "Collaboration" (協力), we find Nojima and the Compilation publicity staff again: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 10thaucredits.jpg Nojima is again listed under "Collaboration" for the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide, while the Square Enix Publicity Department (宣伝部) is under both "Collaboration" and "Supervision" for this one: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 20thuscredits.jpg Finally, both the publicity department and the Respective Final Fantasy Series Development Teams (ファイナルファンタジーシリーズ各開発チーム) are listed under both "Collaboration" and "Editorial Supervision" for the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thmucredits.jpg For clarification, the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2 focuses on FFVII, FFVIII and FFIX, the first two of which were both written by Nojima. For comparison's sake, the FFVIII Ultimania features a similar blanket credit (ファイナルファンタジーVIII開発チーム/Final Fantasy VIII Development Team) under "Collaboration" and includes a unique short story from Nojima despite not identifying him by name on the credits page: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiiucredits.jpg While we will be drawing upon more Ultimanias than just those mentioned in this section, all bear similar credentials. In conclusion, the content of the Ultimanias can certainly be accepted as canon without doubt, and shall be throughout this analysis. ==== A puppet who can see the strings ... [5.2354In] We are now much closer to determining the official answer to the question at the heart of the Love Triangle Debate. As mentioned earlier, the LTD has raised many points of contention over its long history. What it has ultimately boiled down to in recent years, however, is which course of events one believes took place near the end of Disc 2 at the time the party goes their separate ways, each seeking a personal motivation to carry the fight to Sephiroth inside the Northern Crater. Cloud and Tifa, of course, remain behind at the airship, alone together. The contents of the scenes which immediately follow this development are then based on the prior actions of the player, and how high they have raised Tifa's affection for Cloud. For those not in the know, through many of the optional dialogues and actions one may take during Disc 1, the player is able to influence the degree of affection four members of AVALANCHE have for Cloud: Aerith, Tifa, Yuffie and Barret. For a complete list of the choices that influence these affection ratings, as well as the affects these choices have on the affection values, see Terence Fergusson's Date Mechanics Guide at GameFAQs: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108082829/ http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197341-final-fantasy-vii/ faqs/2385%253Cbr%2520/%253E Within the game, the outcome of the player's choices are presented in three scenes, two on Disc 1 and the last on Disc 2. The first event they influence is who will tour the Gold Saucer with Cloud if the player doesn't make a selection for this choice when they first arrive at the amusement park. The character with the highest affection rating for Cloud will be the default option if the player proceeds to explore the park without first choosing a companion. Otherwise, if the player does elect to choose, the character whom they pick (Red XIII being an exception) will receive additional affection points for Cloud (+3), while speaking to either Yuffie, Aerith or Tifa and turning down their offer to join you results in their affection for Cloud decreasing (-2). Turning down Red XIII, meanwhile, has no effect whatsoever. Also, note that only the first selection made to increase or decrease affection values will actually do so; the effects of these choices are not cumulative if more than one such selection is made. The second event influenced by the "date mechanics" is the game's actual date at the Gold Saucer. The character with the highest affection rating for Cloud will come to his hotel room and drag him out for a night on the town. Finally, the third event to feel the effects of the player's choices is the fan-dubbed "Highwind scene" at the end of Disc 2, diverging into two scenes that fans have also named: the "High Affection scene" and the "Low Affection scene." These names rather intuitively reflect the conditions by which both scenes are unlocked -- i.e. if Tifa's affection for Cloud is below a certain value, the Low Affection scene plays; if her affection is equal to or above a certain value, the High Affection scene is witnessed instead. The differences in the two scenes are described thus on pg. 198 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega guidebook: ---- Night before the final battle...... After stopping Hojo's recklessness and before heading to the Northern Crater, the conversation scene with Tifa can diverge drastically depending on Tifa's affection rating. When the affection rating is low, the conversation of the scene where the two spend the evening is candid/apathetic and rather short. In the scene on the bridge the next morning, Tifa asks "Were you listening?" and taps her foot. On the other hand, if the affection rating is high, the two spend the evening in focused conversation, and on the bridge, Tifa asks "Were you watching?" and collapses in embarrassment." [Caption for the screenshot of Cloud saying "This is probably the last time we'll have together......"] When the degree of affection is high, the night passes meaningfully between the two...... ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/nightbefore2.jpg Japanese text: ---- 決戦前夜に…… 宝条の暴走を止めてから大空洞へ突入するまでにくり広げられるティファとの 会話場面は、ティファの好感度によって分岐する。好感度が低いと、ふたりで 夜を明かす場面の会話が淡白で短め。翌朝の操縦室の場面では、ティファ が「聞いてたの？」と言ってつま先をトントンとする。一方、好感度が高いと、 ふたりで夜を明かす場面 の会話が濃く、操縦室ではティファが「見てたの？」 と恥ずかしがってへたりこむのだ。 [screenshot caption] 好感度が高い場合、ふたりで過ごす夜が意味深なものに……。 ---- You can observe the differences between the two versions in the following video and transcriptions: (Video courtesy of TrippNessa) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afuKSfF1rHg (High Affection version transcription) ---- [Below the Highwind] Tifa: "Everyone's gone..." Cloud: "Yeah, we don't have anywhere or anyone to go home to." Tifa: "You're right... But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you think?" Cloud: "Hmm... I wonder...? Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're holding on to... But this time, our opponent..." Tifa: "Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back. As long as I'm with you... As long as you're by my side... I won't give up even if I'm scared." Cloud: ".........Tifa......" Tifa: "No matter how close we are... We were far apart... before this. But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought I heard your voice... ...sniff... you probably don't remember this... But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least I thought I did..." Cloud: "Yeah... At that time I heard you calling me. You were calling me back from the stream of consciousness in the Lifestream. After all, I promised. That if anything were to ever happen to you, I would come to help." Tifa: "Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us? Do you think they see how hard we're fighting for them?" Cloud: "I dunno... But... Whether they are or not, we still have to do what we can. And believe in ourselves... I'll find the answer someday. Right, Tifa? That's what I learned from you when I was in the Lifestream. " Tifa: "Yeah...... that's right..." Cloud: "Hey Tifa...... I...... There are a lot of things I wanted to talk to you about. But now that we're together like this, I don't know what I really wanted to say... I guess nothing's changed at all... Kind of makes you want to laugh..." Tifa: "Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..." Cloud: "............" [Fade to black; the screen fades in early the next morning, with Tifa leaning against Cloud, asleep] Cloud: "............It's almost dawn..." Tifa: "H, huh...?" Cloud: "Sorry. Did I wake you...? It's almost dawn, Tifa." Tifa: "Umm... G, good morning... Cloud. Give me a little longer... Just a little bit longer... This day will never come again... So let me have this moment..." Cloud: "Yeah... okay. This is probably the last time we'll have together......" [The screen fades out once again, then fades back in to the sun fully risen and the two fully awake] Tifa: "........." Cloud: "We'd better go." Tifa: "But, I still...!?" Cloud: "It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday. At least we don't have to go on alone." Tifa: "Yes... That's right!" Cloud: "Okay! Let's go!" [Back on the airship] Tifa: "The airship is too big for just the two of us. Yeah, it's a little lonely without everyone." Cloud: "Don't worry. It'll be okay. I'll make a big enough ruckus for everyone. Besides, I'm the pilot. No more flying around casually like before. We won't have time to feel lonely." Tifa: "Huh!?" Cloud: "It's moving......" [On the bridge, they find Cid, Barret, Cait Sith and Red XIII, with Cid manning the controls] Cloud: "Barret! Cid!" Barret: "O, oh...... is that okay with you?" Cloud: "Red XIII!" Tifa: "Why didn't you tell me!?" Red XIII: "But, you know, Cid." Cid: "Hey, Red XIII. If you butt in now, you never know what they'll say later......" Tifa: "......Were you watching?" [She quickly walks away before collapsing to the floor in embarrassment, her hands on her head, while Cloud, Cid and Barret all scratch their heads in embarrassment and Red XIII swishes his tail] ---- (Low Affection version transcription) ---- [Below the Highwind] Tifa: "Everyone's gone..." Cloud: "Yeah, we don't have anywhere or anyone to go home to." Tifa: "You're right... But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you think?" Cloud: "Hmm... I wonder...? Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're holding on to... But this time, our opponent..." Tifa: "Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back. As long as I'm with you... As long as you're by my side... I won't give up even if I'm scared." Cloud: ".........Tifa......" Tifa: "No matter how close we are... We were far apart... before this. But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought I heard your voice... ...sniff... you probably don't remember this... But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least I thought I did..." Cloud: "I see...... I think I've heard about it, too. At that time, it was Tifa's voice......" Tifa: "Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us? Do you think they see how hard we're fighting for them?" Cloud: "I dunno... But... Whether they are or not, we still have to do what we can. And believe in ourselves... I'll find the answer someday. As long as I keep trying." Tifa: "Yeah...... that's right..." Cloud: "We've got a big battle tomorrow, we'd better get some sleep..." Tifa: "Umm. Yes, I guess you're right......" [Fade to black; the screen fades in early the next morning, with Tifa leaning against Cloud, asleep] Cloud: "............It's almost dawn..." Tifa: "H, huh...?" Cloud: "Morning, Tifa. It's almost dawn..." Tifa: "Mmm...... Good morning, Cloud. Give me a little longer... Just a little big longer... This day will never come again... So let me have this moment..." Cloud: "............" [The screen fades out once again, then fades back in to the sun fully risen and the two fully awake] Tifa: "........." Cloud: "We'd better go." Tifa: "But, I still...!?" Cloud: "It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday. At least we don't have to go on alone." Tifa: "Yes... That's right!" Cloud: "Okay! Let's go!" [Back on the airship] Tifa: "The airship is too big for just the two of us. Yeah, it's a little lonely without everyone." Cloud: "Don't worry. It'll be okay. I'll make a big enough ruckus for everyone. Besides, I'm the pilot. No more flying around casually like before. We won't have time to feel lonely." Tifa: "Huh!?" Cloud: "It's moving......" [On the bridge, they find Cid, Barret, Cait Sith and Red XIII, with Cid manning the controls] Cloud: "Barret! Cid!" Barret: "O, oh...... is that okay with you?" Cloud: "Red XIII!" Tifa: "Why didn't you tell me!?" Red XIII: "But, you know, Cid." Cid: "Hey, Red XIII. If you butt in now, you never know what they'll say later......" Tifa: "......Were you listening?" [She quickly walks away and begins tapping her foot against the deck while Cloud scratches the back of his head in embarrassment] ---- In the interest of being as transparent, thorough and comprehensive as possible, here follows translations from two official guidebooks that make reference to the affection values influencing the three scenes we've been discussing. First, pg. 189 of the FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide explains the game's "love pyramid" and the results of its associated affection ratings system: ---- The Love Parameters and Related Events FFVII's greatest mystery(?) -- the "affection ratings" Dictated by the current status of the so-called "affection ratings" -- in-game parameters regarding Cloud, developed for Aerith, Tifa, Yuffie and Barret (?|information from the development staff) -- the love present in the progression of certain events can be influenced. Lines selected during the choices that occasionally appear in conversation scenes......have a big impact. If a character's response to a line chosen is positive, you can probably expect that their affection rating has increased. In addition, behavior involving the party exhibited during battles (such as healing or covering during a moment of crisis) can increase the rating as well, but the effect is very small in comparison to the dialogue choices. How do the affection ratings influence events? Let's look at some examples. [Screenshot of the "slum drunk" question in Aerith's church] If a positive selection is made when a choice appears, the affection rating will increase. [Screenshot of Cloud covering Aerith during a random battle] The roster of the party at certain times and behavior during battle also have a small influence. Mercurial Event 1 (The Companion) During the first visit to the Gold Saucer, if one tries to make Cloud walk around alone, the female character with the highest affection rating at that point will go along. [Screenshot of the party standing in the lobby of the Gold Saucer] Don't speak to anyone here. Try to advance while ignoring all members. [Screenshot of Aerith stepping forward to tag along with Cloud] If one tries to make Cloud go elsewhere, someone will go along after him like this (and be added to the party roster). Mercurial Event 2 (The Date) The large event after obtaining the Keystone. That night, the character with the highest affection rating will come to Cloud with an invitation. Although the examples below feature Aerith and Tifa, Yuffie and Barret are also available. [Screenshot of Aerith retrieving Cloud from his hotel room] Aerith's event. If one plays normally, she usually shows up. [Screenshot of the fireworks during the date with Aerith] On the gondola. The line "I'm searching for you" has deep meaning (you get it, right?). [Screenshot of Cloud and Tifa on the gondola ride] Tifa's event. Her cautious personality foils her, and she doesn't share her feelings. [Screenshot of Cloud and Tifa coming off the gondola ride] In the end, she doesn't voice her intentions. She locks them away in her mind. Mercurial Event 3 (Before the Final Battle) After each of the others departs for other places, Cloud and Tifa spend the evening together. At that moment, dependent on Tifa's affection rating for Cloud, there can be differences in the 2 circumstances involving 'the conversations they exchange between dusk and dawn,' and 'Tifa's lines and reaction when she finds out that everyone might have seen (or heard) them.' [Screenshot of Tifa tapping her foot on the deck of the Highwind] Example of a reaction. She turns her back and taps one foot on the deck. [Screenshot of Tifa collapsing in embarrassment on the deck of the Highwind] Dependent on the affection rating, she may also crouch down in embarrassment. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kaitaishinshopage-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kaitaishinshopage1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kaitaishinshopage2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kaitaishinshopage3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kaitaishinshopage4.jpg Japanese text: ---- 恋愛パラメータと関連イベント 『FFVII』最大の謎（？）"好感度" エアリス、ティファ、ユフィ、バレットの4人（※開発スタッフからの情報）には、 クラウドに対する「好感度」という内部パラメータが用意されており、その 状態によって、特定のイベントの進みかたが恋化するようになっている。 好感度には、会話シーン中にときどき出る選択肢でどのセリフを選んだか ……が大きく影響する。セリフを選んだあとのキャラクターの反応が良ければ、 好感度は上がっていると思っていいだろう。このほか、パーティーに 加えている時間や、戦闘中の行動（ピンチのときに、回復してあげたり、 かばってあげたりする）などでも上がるようだが、その影響は、選択肢に くらべれば微々たるものだ。好感度が、どのようにイベントとかかわってくる のか。その代表例を紹介しよう。 [Screenshot of the "slum drunk" question in Aerith's church] 選択肢が出てくるところで、より良いほうを選べば好感度が上がる。 [Screenshot from a random battle] パーティーに加わっている時間や戦闘中の行動も、ほんの少し影響する。 変化イベント1（同伴） はじめてゴールドソーサーにきたとき、クラウドが単独行動をしようとすると、 その時点で好感度のもっとも高い女性キャラクターがついてくる。 [Screenshot of the party standing in the lobby of the Gold Saucer] ここで、だれかに話しかけてはいけない。メンバーを無視して先へ 進んでみよう。 [Screenshot of Aerith stepping forward to tag along with Cloud] どこかへ移動しようとすると、このようにクラウドのあとをついてくる （パーティーに加わる）。 変化イベント2（デート） キーストーン入手後の一大イベント。夜になると、好感度のもっとも 高キャラクターがクラウドを誘いにくる。下ではエアリスとティファの例を 紹介しているが、ユフィとバレットにも挑戦してみよう。 [Screenshot of Aerith retrieving Cloud from his hotel room] エアリスの場合。ふつうにプレイしていると、だいたい彼女がくる。 [Screenshot of the fireworks during the date with Aerith] 観覧車にて。「あなたをさがしてる」のセリフが深い（わかるよね？）。 [Screenshot of Cloud and Tifa on the gondola ride] ティファの場合。思慮深い性格がわざわいしてか、本音を切り出せに。 [Screenshot of Cloud and Tifa coming off the gondola ride] 結局、最後まで本音を言えず。心の中にしまいこんでしまうのだった。 変化イベント3（決戦前） ほかのみんながそれぞれの場所へ散っていったあと、クラウドとティファが、 ふたりきりで夜を明かす。このとき、「夕暮れから夜明けにかけて、ふたりが かわす会話」と、「みんなにその様子を見られて（聞かれて）いたことを 知ったときのティファのセリフとリアクション」の2つが、ティファのクラウドに対する 好感度によって変化するのだ。 [Screenshot of Tifa tapping her foot on the deck of the Highwind] リアクションの一例。うしろを向いて、片足のツマ先で床をたたく。 [Screenshot of Tifa collapsing in embarassment on the deck of the Highwind] 好感度によっては、あまりの気恥ずかしさに、うずくまってしまうことも。 ---- [Author's note: It bears pointing out that the Kaitai Shinsho information here isn't entirely accurate. As noted in Terence Fergusson's Date Mechanics Guide, the "slum drunk" question actually doesn't affect anyone's affection value, and it's also possible that Red XIII will stand in for Barret during the first visit to the Gold Saucer if Barret's affection value is higher than that of the females. Furthermore, due to an apparent programming oversight, actions taken in battle have no impact whatsoever on the date mechanics.] Secondly, pg. 467 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega says the following: ---- "ULTIMANIA COLUMN The other events influenced by the affection ratings The following two scenes change according to developments in the affection ratings, in the same manner as the date event. ??When visiting the Gold Saucer for the first time.......If one attempts to move to another map alone, the character with the highest affection rating will come forward to go along (?¨126). ??The conversation with Tifa the night before the final battle......If the degree of Tifa's affection is above a certain value, there is a variation in the exchange between the two (?¨201)?B [Screenshot of Red XIII accompanying Cloud after the first arrival at the Gold Saucer] In the event that Barret's affection rating is the highest during the visit to the Gold Saucer, Red XIII will step forward to be his substitute. [Screenshot of Tifa collapsing in embarrassment on the deck of the Highwind] Also take notice of Tifa's reaction to being teased by Cid and co. In the event of Tifa's affection rating being high, she'll say '......Were you watching?' and put her hands on her head." ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/affectionrating.jpg Japanese text: ---- ULTIMANIA COLUMN 好感度が影するそのほかのイベント 以下のふたつの場面では、デートイベントと同様に、好感度によって 展開が変化する。 ●はじめてゴールドソーサーを訪れたとき……ひとりで別のマップに移動し ようとすると、好感度のもっとも高いキャラクターが、一緒に行こうと 申し出る(→126)。 ●最終決戦値前にティファとふたりきりで語り合うとき……ティファの 好感度が一定値以上ああると、ふたりのやりとりが変化する(→201)。 [Screenshot of Red XIII accompanying Cloud after the first arrival at the Gold Saucer] ゴールドソーサーを訪れたときに、バレットの好感度がもっとも高い場合は、 例外的にレッドXIIIが同行を申し出る。 [Screenshot of Tifa collapsing in embarassment on the deck of the Highwind] シドたちに冷やかされたティファの反応にも注目。好感度が高い場合は、 「……見てたの？」と言って頭かかえる。 ---- Additional information found in Ultimania guidebooks reveals that after the fade to black in the High Affection version of the Highwind scene, Cloud and Tifa shared a physically intimate moment as their way of showing their feelings for one another. This is confirmed in several official statements, one of which is found on pg. 27 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, in Tifa's profile: ---- When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. The next morning, she departs for the Northern Crater along with her companions, who returned. "Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking......" -Said to Cloud, when he is at a loss for words while they're alone If Tifa's affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm their feelings of desire/wanting for one another together. This line is said by Tifa at the conversation's end. Immediately after saying it, Tifa forms a striking smile that summarizes everything. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ desire.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドの提案で一時解散することになるが、飛空艇に残り、クラウドと 想いを通わせる。翌朝、もどってきた仲間とともに北の大空洞へ発つ 「想いをつたえられるのは言葉だけじゃないよ……」 ーふたりきりになり、言葉に詰まるクラウド ティファのクラウドに対する好感度が高い場合、飛空艇に残ったふたりは、 互いを求める気持ちを確かめ合う。このセリフは、そんな会話の最後に ティファが口にするもの。告げた直後にティファが浮かべる、すべてを 受けいれるような微笑みが印象的だ。 ---- For those interested, by the way, the significant line quoted above as written in Japanese romaji -- is as follows: "Tifa no Cloud ni taisuru koukan do ga takai baai, hikuutei ni nokotta futari ha, tagai wo motomeru kimochi wo tashikame au." It breaks down thus: Tifa = Tifa, obviously no = particle indentifying possessive "of" or "for" Cloud = Cloud, obviously ni taisuru = "with regard to" or "concerning" koukan = "affection" do = "rating" ga = identifies that the previous noun or clause is a subject takai = high baai = "occasion" or "circumstance," so, for this sentence, "in the event that" hikuutei = "airship" ni = particle identifying a place where something occurs "in" or "at" nokotta = "remained" futari = two people, so, for this sentence, "the two" ha = main subject identifier; here, it's identifying everything said up to now tagai = "each other" wo = particle indicating that the previous noun or clause is the target of an action to follow motomeru = "to want" or "to seek"; refers to something actively wanted/desired kimochi = "feelings"; modified by "motomeru," the sentence is talking about "feelings of desire" or "feelings of wanting," which are being directed toward whatever noun preceded the "wo" that preceded "motomeru"; in this case, "tagai"/"each other" wo = another target of action identifier; tells us that "feelings of wanting each other" is the recepient of some as-yet unidentified action tashikame = "confirmation"; tells us that the "feelings of wanting each other" are confirmed au = "to fit," "to harmonize" or "to match"; as this verb modifies everything that came before, it's probably best translated here as "together" As you can see, here it is said that they confirm feelings of desire for one another. While that alone may not sufficiently allude to something of an intimate nature occurring in that scene, an exchange during an interview in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 9 of both the original and Revised Edition) does. Here, Kazushige Nojima describes the scene as containing a risque line of dialogue, referring to Tifa's "words aren't the only way" line. He also goes on to describe the original presentation of the scene, which was even more suggestive: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Kitase: "Katou also did the event on the airship, the night before the final battle." Nojima: "Oh, the scene with the risque line of dialogue? It was Katou who wrote that as well, not me." ?-"The line ?eWords aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel,' right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game." Kitase: "But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down." Nojima: "The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs)." ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ risquestuff.jpg Japanese text: ---- 北瀬　決戦前夜の飛空艇でのエベントも加藤さんですよね。 野島　ああ、きわどいセリフがあところですか？あれを書いたのも、 僕ではなくて加藤さんです。 ―「想いをつたえられるのは、言葉だけじゃないよ」というセリフですね。 『FF』としては、かなり大人っぼい会話でした。 北瀬　それでも、あまりにもどぎつい表現は抑えてもらった覚えがありますね。 野島　当初のアイデアは、もっと過激でしたから。飛空艇のなかにある チョコボ部屋からクラウドが先に出てきて、そのあとティファが周囲をうかが いながら出てくるっていう案だったんですけど、それはさすがに北瀬さんが 却下してました。でも、問題のセリフにしても、当時はそんなに重要な ことだと誰も思ってなかったのかもしれない（笑）。 ---- Also notable here to the topic at hand is the reference to Masato Katou, whom Kazushige Nojima referred to as the one who wrote the dialogue in this part of the game. Katou would soon after pen another Square-developed RPG, "Xenogears" -- a game which contains a scene near its ending very similar to the High Affection scene with Cloud and Tifa. In this love scene from "Xenogears," some of the dialogue even recalls the High Affection Highwind scene: (Video courtesy of Chilavert2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9m5dCKdtAI Note the similarities to the High Affection Highwind scene in the fade to black immediately prior to intimacy, and the male character saying to the female character "Sorry. Did I wake you?" the next morning. The question now becomes, "Which scene is canon?" Based on the descriptions of the two on pg. 198 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, we know that in one version (the Low Affection version) the conversation is candid/apathetic -- i.e. lacking in feelings -- and was contrasted against a scene with meaningful contents. Let us also note at this time that it is Tifa's affection level for Cloud that is said to influence the outcome of events. That alone is a significant observation in analyzing this scene. Furthermore, let us not forget that -- despite the game mechanic provided to us with the affection values -- Tifa always loves Cloud romantically within the actual story. Given what we know thus far, it is actually a very simple matter to determine which scene is canon, as numerous official sources tell us that Cloud and Tifa shared feelings on that evening. We'll now go over those sources, in order of their chronological release. The first source is pg. 14 of the FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide, in the Analects of Tifa section of her profile: ---- "Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking" (when she and Cloud are alone the night before the final battle) ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifakaitaishinsho_zps6e54a0bc.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?「想いを伝えられるのは言葉だけじゃないよ」（最終決戦前夜、クラウド とふたりきりのときに） ---- Next is pg. 15 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, in Cloud's profile. There, the following is said: ---- Declares that the team should dissolve in the final hours before the final battle, and communicates his feelings together with Tifa, who remains behind at the airship with him. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudffviiuo2.jpg Japanese text: ---- 最終決戦を前に一時解散を宣言し、飛空艇に残ったティファと想いを通わせる。 ---- As mentioned above, in Tifa's profile on pg. 27 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, we’re also told that feelings were exchanged that evening: "When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. Japanese text: ---- クラウドの提案で一時解散することになるが、飛空艇に残り、クラウドと 想いを通わせる。 ---- Next, pg. 198 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: ---- When their companions disperse to the places where people important to them await, Cloud and Tifa are the only two to remain behind. They reveal their feelings for each other in their final hours, and....... ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuopg198.jpg Japanese text: ---- 大切な人の待つ場所へと仲間が散っていき、ふたりきりになたクラドとティファ。 残された最後の時間でお互いの想いを打ち明け、そして……。 ---- And then pg. 33 of the Crisis Core Ultimania, in Tifa's profile from that book: ---- She communicates her feelings together with Cloud in the final stages of the story, and in AC and DC they live together. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ccucommunicates_zps0eb7c734.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドとは物語の終盤に想いを通わせ、「AC」「DC」の時代は一緒に暮らしている。 ---- Pg. 118 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 120 of the book's Revised Edition), in its Story Playback segment for FFVII: ---- Cloud and Tifa, who remain, reveal their feelings for each other and clarify them together. ---- Source scan (courtesy of Quexinos): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 10thAUHighwind2.jpg Japanese text: ---- 残ったクラウドとティファは、互いへの想いを打ち明け、確かめ合う。 ---- This statement, by the way, is made next to a numbered notation that is matched to a numbered screenshot from the High Affection version of the Highwind scene: Cloud and Tifa are shown sleeping together in the early morning with Cloud saying "This is probably the last time we'll have together......" -- a line he only says in the High Affection version of the scene. Pg. 195 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide; the Impressive Words section of Tifa's profile: ---- "Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..." -Prarie: What she said to Cloud the night before the final battle when he said there were many things he wanted to talk about ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ thereitisagain_zps8a68cef7.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「想いを伝えられるのは言葉だけじゃないよ……」 ??荒野：最終決戦を前に、話したいことは多いが言葉に詁まるクラウドに ---- Next, let's look at pg. 232 of the Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide. There, in this book's Story Playback section for FFVII, we find this line: ---- And when Cloud and Tifa remain behind alone, in their final hours, they reveal their feelings for each other together. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hwu20.jpg Japanese text: ---- そして、ふたり、きりになったクラウドとティファは、残された最後の時間で互いの 想いを打ち明け合う。 ---- And for those following the Japanese romaji constructions: "Soshite, futari, kiri ni natta Cloud to Tifa ha, nokosareta saigo no jikan de tagai no omoi wo uchi ake au." You'll notice, by the way, that the Japanese form of this line is constructed almost identically to the line in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, which was unquestionably referring to the High Affection scene. The only notable difference is that the 10th Anniversary Ultimania's statement includes ?m?c?s ("tashikame," meaning "confirmation") before the verb ?‡?? ("au"). As such, it's certainly reasonable to conclude that those who wrote the two books would expect us to believe both are describing the same development. Further still, in the sidebar to the right of the primary passage in which the above quote appears, following one of the story summary's several "Deviation" (?a?o) arrows, we find the following: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Deviation There are 2 versions of the conversation before the final battle. The conversation between Cloud and Tifa before the final battle will differ depending on Tifa's degree of affection. If her affection value is high, the content of their conversation will be deep, showing that they strongly care for each other. Also, in the scene where Tifa is embarrassed to discover the next morning that the team were watching her and Cloud, her reaction when her affection is high is greater. ---- Japanese text: ---- 分岐 決戦前の会話は2種粨ある 決戦前にクラウドとティファが交わす会話の内容は、ティファの好感度によって変わる。 好感度が高いと、ふたりの会話が、お互いを強く思いやるような深い内容になる のだ。また、ふたりの樣子を仲間たちが見ていたことが翌朝発覚し、ティファが照れる 場面では、好感度の高いときのほうが、彼女の照れかたが大きい。 ---- While acknowledging the existence of another version of the scene, the main body of the story summary itself used the High Affection version in its description of events, and even this blurb doesn't bother with describing the Low Affection version -- which, again, was described elsewhere as containing a conversation that lacked feelings. The description of the High Affection version here implicitly contrasts it against a scene with a conversation lacking in deep subject matter, while the description of the Low Affection version from pg. 198 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega implicitly contrasts it against a version that features a conversation containing feelings -- the message being clear that the conversation from the High Affection version is mutually exclusive from a version lacking deep subject matter, while the conversation from the Low Affection version is mutually exclusive from a version in which feelings are discussed. Those descriptions align perfectly with what we witness in the two versions, as seen in the game. Cloud definitely doesn't communicate his feelings to Tifa in the Low Affection scenario; certainly none that are about her -- and especially none that appear to match her own feelings of desire. He just listens to her talk and then says they should get some sleep. On the other hand, in the High Affection version, he has quite a bit to say and is left trying to find the words to communicate "a lot of things I wanted to talk to you about" when Tifa suggests they employ a physical demonstration. Given, then, that we are told numerous times -- including in passages that don't mention the different versions of the scene; and, in the case of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, a book that doesn't mention the different versions of the scene anywhere between its covers -- that feelings were exchanged between Cloud and Tifa that evening, the High Affection version must have taken place. It also bears acknowledgement at this point that the phrases "communicate their feelings " (想いを通わせる) and "reveal their feelings for each other" (互いの想いを打ち明け) carry the same connotation that "realized their feelings for each other" does in English, particularly when the Japanese word for "feelings" ("omoi") is rendered as it is here: "想い." This kanji for "omoi" is typically used to denote intimate feelings, while feelings in general tend to be represented with the other kanji for "omoi": 思い. You need not take my word alone on that, by the way. Not only are you free to look into the matter yourself, but if you fear a bias on my part coloring my reading of those phrases, I also ask that you look to insight provided by Michael DePaula at AllExperts.com, whose expertise stems from some 10 years of experience with the Japanese language, most of which were spent in Japan. TheLifestream.net forum member Quexinos brought the matter to him for input, providing the quote from pg. 33 of the Crisis Core Ultimania, and was presented the following explanation: "It's better to use 伝える for normal exchanges. 想いを通わせる implies something intimate." Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108083046/ http://en.allexperts.com/q/Japanese-Language-1797/2011/ 11/romantic-context.htm Quexinos also took the question to masaegu, a Japanese native at JapanForum.com, supplying the same quote from the CC Ultimania. She was told: "The sentence in question is clearly about a romantic relationship," and masaegu even went so far as to say "Show me a native Japanese-speaker that thinks the sentence ... is NOT about a romantic relationship, I will show you a liar." Concerning "omoi," masaegu also added: "Basically, it is only a matter of aesthetic preference between ?v and ‘z. Since many prefer using the latter, it has kind of become the normal choice in talking about love or something very important." Source: http://www.japanforum.com/forum/japanese-language-help/ 41533-phrase-%E6%83%B3%E3%81%84%E3%82%92%E9% 80%9A%E3%82%8F%E3%81%9B%E3%82%8B.html Among the most definitive statements of all comes on pg. 394 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide, in a section entitled "For the One I Love." There, scenes of romantic declaration from throughout the Final Fantasy series (i.e. entries in the main game series that had been published by the time of the book's own publication) are presented. Here is my translation of that page: ---- For the One I Love Through the long journeys, the love of the protagonists develop. Occasionally they become separated, but the two's value to one another gives them the great strength to overcome whatever crisis may come. [Screenshot of Sara and Ingus from the ending of the DS version of FFIII] III - The diligent soldier and the meek princess The love between the soldier and princess of Sasune Castle was divided by social status; Ingus tried to supress his feelings, but Sara would not hide hers. [Screenshot from when Cecil rescues Rosa from Golbez] IV - World just for the two of us When rescuing Rosa, Cecil frankly declares his true feelings. The two reunited, they tightly embrace for all eyes to see. [Screenshot from when the Espers are making peace with General Leo] VI - Result of the chance encounter The imperial general and the anti-empire organization member -- Celes and Locke's relation to one another is like ships passing in the night; it's a long period before they get to communicate their feelings completely. [Screenshot of Aerith's date with Cloud at the Gold Saucer] VII - Secret date At the Gold Saucer, Cloud receives an invitation from one of his companions. Who comes around with the invitation is dependent on Cloud's behavior. [Screenshot of Cloud and Tifa underneath the Highwind] VII - The night before the final battle Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, he confirms with her feelings that can't be expressed in words. [Screenshot of Squall and Rinoa hugging inside the Sorceress Memorial] VIII - Witch Rinoa's knight Just before she can be sealed due to being a witch, Squall retakes Rinoa. "I don't care that you're a witch" are his words to her, putting her mind at ease. [Screenshot of Steiner and Beatrix preparing to defend Alexandria from Kuja's invasion] IX - For the one I must protect Beatrix becomes the woman to whom Steiner will let no harm befall. For his homeland's protection and for hers, Steiner brandishes his sword. [Screenshot of Zidane and Dagger reunited during the game's ending] IX - Guidance on an investigation of life Zidane left the company of his companions in front of the Iifa Tree. He survived for the sake of going back to "the place I'll return to someday," where the one he loves was waiting for him. [Screenshot of Yuna and Tidus together in the Macalania spring] X - Macalania spring Yuna is betrayed by the temples she had completely believed in and had made the foundation of her life. Tidus decides to comfort her in this way. Extra Thread Scenes involving "love" other than romantic love In the FF series, there's not just the romantic love between men and women; there are various forms of love depicted. In FFV, there's familial love between Galuf and Krile, as well as the brotherly love between Edgar and Sabin depicted in FFVI; and in FFIX, there's an instance of love between Eiko and Mog that goes beyond race. Also, in FFVI, there's the scene where Terra recovers her ability to fight and comes to understand the emotion called "love"; when talking about "love," this is a scene that shouldn't be left out. [Screenshot caption beneath the screenshot of Terra after transforming into her Esper form in the World of Ruin] During the event where Terra recovers her ability to fight, she regains her power and says "I'll fight to protect the people I love"; she then throws herself back into battle. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ltdover1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ltdover2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ltdover3.jpg Japanese text: ---- 『愛する人のために』 長い旅を通じて築かれる、主人公たちの恋愛感情。ときにはふたりが 引き裂かれることもあるが、お互いを大事に想っていればどんな難局でも 乗り越えていけるという気持ちは、彼らに大きな力を与えてくれる。 [Screenshot of Sara and Ingus from the ending of the DS version of FFIII] 「III」真面目な兵士と素直な姫 サスーン城の兵士と姫という身分ちがいの恋に、イングスは自分の気持ちを 押し殺そうとするが、サラは彼への想いを隠そうとしない。 [Screenshot from when Cecil rescues Rosa from Golbez] 「IV」ふたりだけの世界 捕らわれていたローザを救い出したとき、セシルは自分の本心を打ち明ける。 再会したふたりは、人目も気にせず強く抱き合った。 [Screenshot from when the Espers are making peace with General Leo] 「VI」すれちがいの果てに 帝国の将軍と反帝国組織の一員　?　お互いの立場ゆえにすれち がっていたセリスとロックは、長い期間を経てようやく想いを通わせた。 [Screenshot of Aerith's date with Cloud at the Gold Saucer] 「VII」秘密のデート ゴ―ルドソーサーで仲間のひとりから誘いを受けりクラウド。誰が誘いに やってくるかは、それまでのクラウドの行動しだい。 [Screenshot of Cloud and Tifa underneath the Highwind] 「VII」最終決戦前夜に ティファのおかげで自分を取り戻したクラウドはセフィロスとの最後の戦いを 前に言葉では伝えられない想いを彼女と確かめ合う。 [Screenshot of Squall and Rinoa hugging inside the Sorceress Memorial] 「VIII」魔女リノアの騎士 魔女として封印される直前のリノアを、無心で奪還するスコ―ル。 「魔女でもいいさ」という彼の言葉は、リノアの心に安らぎを与えた。 [Screenshot of Steiner and Beatrix preparing to defend Alexandria from Kuja's invasion] 「IX」守るべき者のため ひょんなことから、スタイナーにとってベアトリクスはかけがえのない女性 となった。祖国と彼女を守るため、スタイナーは剣を振るう。 [Screenshot of Zidane and Dagger reunited during the game's ending] 「IX」生命のしらべに導かれ イーファの樹で仲間の前から姿を消したジタン。彼は「いつか帰るところ」へ 帰るために生きのび、愛いい人の待つ場所にもどってきた。 [Screenshot of Yuna and Tidus together in the Macalania spring] 「X」マカラニ―アの泉で ずっと信じていた寺院に裏切られユウナは心のよりどころを矢った。ティ―ダは、 そんな彼女を支えていくことを決意する。 番外編 恋愛以外の「愛」に関する場面 「FF」シリーズでは男女間の恋愛だけでなく、さまざまな形の「愛」が 描かれている。「FFV」におけるガラフとクルルをはじめとした家族愛や、 「FFVI」のエドガーとマッシュのような兄弟愛、「FFIX」のエーコとモグ のような種族を越えた情愛なだがその一例だ。また、「FFVI」において ティナが「愛」という感情を知ることで戦う力を取りもどすシ―ンは、「愛」 そのものを語るうえで、はずせない場面のひとつだろう。 [Screenshot caption beneath the screenshot of Terra after transforming into her Esper form in the World of Ruin] 一度は戦う力を矢ったティナは、「愛する者のために戦う」ということを知って 力を取りもどし、ふたりび戦いに身を投じる。 ---- Also, for those who may be interested in the romaji construction of the pivotal line here ("Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, he confirms with her feelings that can't be expressed in words"), it is as follows: "Tifa no okagede jibun wo tori modoshita Cloud ha Sephiroth tono saigo no tatakai wo maeni kotoba deha tsutaerarenai omoi wo kanojo to tashikame au." Not only is the statement plainly made here that the event in question happened, and without qualifying the matter on the basis of the date mechanics, but you'll also notice that the Japanese text in the caption about Locke and Celes uses the same "communicated their feelings" (想いを通わせた) phrasing that was used several times in regard to Cloud and Tifa. Further, we're asked to connect this romantic description of the scene to the Story Playback's summary of FFVII earlier in the book. Tifa's line in the accompanying screenshot on the "For the One I Love" page ("This day will never come again... So let me have this moment...") is quoted in floating text on pg. 232 below the summary of the scene and next to a screenshot of Cloud and Tifa under the Highwind: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ffu20highwind.jpg Sure, the quote itself appears in both versions of the scene, but the obvious connection being drawn between the story summary and the "For the One I Love" page is asking to be pointed out. While on the subject of the "communicated their feelings" phrase, please note also this passage from Rinoa's profile on pg. 135 of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2: ---- A friendly and cheerful young woman, part of the resistance group called the Forest Owls, whose goal is the liberation of Timber. She joins in Squall and co.'s activities when they are dispatched by SeeD, and also participates in the witch assassination plot, which she wasn't supposed to be involved with. During the conflict, she inherits the powers of a witch from Edea; she begin to fear that she will become an enemy of the whole world, but Squall communicated his feelings to her and protects her as she faces Ultimecia. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thrinoaprofile_zpsb519d62b.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティンバー独立を目指すレジスタンス「森のフクロウ」に身を置く、 人なつっこくて快活な少女。 SeeDとして派遣されたスコールたちと 行動をともにし、自身の当初の目的ではない魔女討伐作戦にも協力。 戦いのさなかイデアから魔女の力を継承してしまい、 自分が世界中の 人々の敵となることに恐れを抱くが、想いを通わせたスコールに守られつつ アルティミシアに立ち向かう。 ---- Along that same vein, consider as well this line about FFIX's Beatrix and Steiner from pg. 241 of the same book: (translation by hitoshura) ---- A Love That Started With A Misunderstanding To Beatrix, Steiner is the one opponent who has defeated her, and they both harbour a rivalry towards each other. But after mistaking Eiko's love letter for one sent to them from each other, they start to take notice of one another and in the ending make their feelings known. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thbands_zps9b4f4e5a.jpg Japanese text: ---- 恋のはじまりはカンちがいから ベアトリクスにとってスタイナーはただ一度敗北を喫した相手であり、双方とも に対抗意識を燃やしていた。だが、エーコのラブレターを互いが互いに宛てた ものだとカンちがい して以来、ふたりは意識し合うようになり、エンディングで 想いを通わせる。 ---- The same phrase appears once again with regard to Tidus and Yuna’s moment of revelation to one another on pg. 60 of the FFX Ultimania Omega, in its Story Playback for that game: ---- At the mysterious spring that glitters like the stars, the two kiss and embrace many times, confirming their feelings for one another. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ xultimaniaomega_zpse7374756.jpg Japanese text: ---- 星をのようにきらめく神秘の泉のなで、ふたりは、互いの想いを確かめ合うか のように幾度も抱擁し、唇を重ねた。 Likewise, the phrase appears for Cecil and Rosa's moment of revelation on pg. 110 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide in FFIV's Story Playback section: ---- Reunited safely, Rosa and Cecil embrace one another, confirming their feelings for each other. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffivconfirmation_zpsb66680a5.jpg Japanese text: ---- 無事に再会を果たしたローザとセシルは、思わず抱き合ってお互いの想いを確かめる。 ---- The similar phrase, “reveals feelings”/想いを打ち明 けられる (recall that it has been used for Cloud and Tifa as well) is used for FFVIII’s Zell and Library Girl with a Pigtail on pg. 141 of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Romance with the Library Girl with a Pigtail Despite being seen as a troublemaker by the faculty, he is fairly popular with the students and people of Balamb. In particular, the member of the library committee with a pigtail likes him, and eventually she reveals her feelings to him. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thzandp_zpsdceffc3e.jpg Japanese text: ---- 三つ編みの図書委員とのロマンス 教師陣からは問題児あつかいされているものの、生徒やバラムの人々から の人気はそこそこ。なかでも三つ編みの図書委員には好意を持たれており、 やがて彼女から想いを打ち明 けられる。 ---- Now, ask yourself: What's more likely? That all of these similar -- and often identical(!) -- choices of phrasing refer to the same thing, or that Cloud and Tifa are an arbitrary exception to the commonplace understanding of phrases being used in their commonplace context to describe no less than five other Final Fantasy couples -- four of whom were also featured on the "For the One I Love" page? Keep in mind, too, that we're discussing quotes from guide books -- the purpose of which is presumably to *guide* the reader to an understanding of what took place on the screen. This isn't a religious text written in metaphorical prose with ambiguous phrasing. It's not even a literary composition that can stand alone and be valued on its own; it is a companion to such a composition. A guide book's purpose is to tell you what you need to know to understand the primary work. If the writer(s) of these guide books (repeatedly!) use this idiom that has a romantic connotation, and they're using it to (repeatedly!) describe the same situation -- one with a verified romantic context, at that -- it stands to reason that the romantic connotation is an intended element of the understanding we're being guided to. There may be nothing inherently romantic in the idiom "communicated their feelings to each other," but there isn't anything inherently romantic in the English idiom "realized their feelings for each other " either -- yet because of the common usage they see in literary contexts, they are romantic phrases. They would not be used in a situation that could be taken for romantic unless the understanding of a romantic element was intended. Look at all these phrases that have meanings different from what the words "inherently" mean (we'll ignore for the moment how preposterous it is to ever assume inherent meaning for *any* symbol): "This car is moving at a snail's pace" "You have some bats in your belfry" "He kicked the bucket" "He bought the farm" "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" "It's my way or the highway" "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch" "Shout it from the rooftops" "They know where their bread is buttered" "Birds of a feather flock together" "Dude is going postal" "When dad found my stash, he hit the roof" "She's a bad egg" "He's the big cheese" "Things are about to hit the fan" "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" "A decent movie, but nothing to write home about" "I overheard them while dropping some eaves" "The automobile industry was Detroit's bread and butter" "You can tell who rules the roost in this house" (or "wears the pants") "His plan was like a house of cards" "Time to ride off into the sunset" "Now you're cooking with gas" "You can't get blood from a stone" "That's the ticket" "Don't cry over spilled milk" "We're just chewing the fat " "Half-assed efforts aren't going to cut the mustard" "Life ain't a bed of roses" "We can't rest on our laurels" "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" "I'm cool as a cucumber" "You're comparing apples and oranges" "A little bird told me" "You reap what you sow" "He's loaded for bear" "It's ten miles as the crow flies" "We're beating a dead horse" "This music is driving me up the wall" "He said some really off-the-wall stuff" "His elevator doesn't go all the way to the top" "A stitch in time saves nine" "What got your panties in a twist?" "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" "The lights are on, but nobody's home" "They've got him between a rock and a hard place" "My back is to the wall" "What you said really hit home" "The family has some skeletons in their closet" "Charity begins at home" "That's water under the bridge" "What are you doing in this neck of the woods?" And there's about 25,000 more of them in the English language alone -- few of which would make sense to anyone who's applying the literal meanings of the words involved. None of these idioms exist (at least not with the same wording) in Japanese. That language had a separate origin, developed differently, was used by a different culture, and its own idioms came along. As with the English idioms, many of these would make no sense to someone applying the literal meanings of the words. For example, 猫に小判 ("neko ni koban"). The literal meaning of the words is "gold coins to a cat." The meaning of the phrase involves something being given to someone who can't appreciate it. In other words, it's equivalent to the English idiom, "casting pearls before swine." Same meaning, different phrases. Like "communicated their feelings to each other" (Japanese) and "realized their feelings for each other" (English). Think of it like the English idiom "It's a small world," and its Spanish counterpart "El mundo es un panuelo" (literally: "The world is a handkerchief"). As TheLifestream.net forum member hitoshura once put it, Japanese is "a different language; it's not just some version of English with squiggly shapes." The point being: A writer worth their salt is going to know the idioms of their own language, especially if writing a book intended for informative purposes. Put simply, they would not use the "communicate their feelings" phrase to refer to the moment two brothers were reunited after being separated for 10 years, just as a writer whose native language is English would not describe that same situation by saying "The reunited brothers realized their feelings for each other." Unless, of course, they were specifically telling a romantic story about two brothers. If I were to write a review of the film "Antwone Fisher" and said "In the film's final moments, Antwone is at last reunited with his long-lost family in a moving love scene," you'd be understandably taken aback. Is it a scene in which love is expressed? Yes. Is it a love scene? No. "Love scene" refers to something very specific in film, despite the words alone not lending to that understanding. The same is true of two people "realizing their feelings for each other" -- or "communicating their feelings to each other." Added to all that, keep in mind the target audience for Final Fantasy VII -- and Final Fantasy in general -- is a teenage-to- 20-something audience. We know this because Yoshinori Kitase, the current executive producer of the Final Fantasy series and director of FFVII, said as much in a May 2009 interview with Edge magazine: ---- We ask Kitase if, as he settles into his 40s, he ever thinks about those members of the Final Fantasy audience who have also grown up with the series. After all, even those players who only joined the fanbase with the seventh game in the series, the first to make a truly global impact, are now entering their 30s. Surely the expectations of these players and the things that they look out for in games are different now to what they were ten, 15 years ago. Is Square Enix interested in changing the tone or theme or style its output to meet these changing needs of the audience? "I actually think that it's a very natural thing for players to grow out of the Final Fantasy series," he answers. "In terms of the age group we target with each new game, it remains the teens to 20-somethings. That said, you're right in saying that some of our staff have been working on the series for many years. They are having new experiences and growing and they inevitably do bring those new ideas and perspectives to their work. In Final Fantasy XIII, for example, we have a greater spread of older characters in the story than we have had in the past. Satzu is older, has a family and is not really the kind of character one would normally encounter or play as in the series. But, that said, I think it's better that we keep the focus on the young generation rather than ageing the series' appeal. If players choose to stick around and continue playing the games as they grow older then that's great, but hopefully new generations will find the appeal, grow up with the series and then pass that down to the next generation as they themselves grow older". ---- Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108083248/ http://www.edge-online.com/features/final-fantasy-xiii- final-countdown/5/ Guide books meant to convey information to a teenage audience are not going to be written in such a counterintuitive manner as to require a Phd. to decipher. As TheLifestream.net forum member Vendel noted: ---- Certain segments of the FFVII fandom get the idea that this is some kind of puzzle to be worked out. Why would SE put out a guidebook that you are supposed to "find clues" in and piece together? Take for example the FTOIL page. What kind of screwball half-assed operation would put a bunch of text on a page if you are just supposed to ignore it and instead focus on one picture and a number that leads to a different page with the text we are supposed to be reading? Why have so many instances of romantic phrases used for Cloud and Tifa if we are supposed to ignore the obvious meanings in all of them and instead use some sort of alternate interpretation? ---- Vendel has also made the following, related observation: ---- This line of reasoning bothers me. It assumes that the creators are putting all this effort into making us work for the answer. As if Cloud's love life is a Riddler Trophy the fandom needs to figure out. It also assumes that Cloud's love life is as important to them as it is to certain segments of the fandom. The logical extension of this is the "SE would never answer a question as big as the LTD, the great mystery of FFVII, in an Ultimania. They need to hold a press conference to answer it properly"-type responses. ---- For the sake of simple digestion and recapping, here now is a collection of all eight lines which refer to the sharing of feelings between Cloud and Tifa beneath the Highwind, cited in order of publication: -FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 15; Cloud's profile "Declares that the team should dissolve in the final hours before the final battle, and communicates his feelings together with Tifa, who remains behind at the airship with him." -FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 27; Tifa's profile "When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud." -FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 27; Tifa's profile "If Tifa's affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm their feelings of desire/wanting for one another." -FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 198; Story Playback section "When their companions disperse to the places where people important to them await, Cloud and Tifa are the only two to remain behind. They reveal their feelings for each other in their final hours, and......." -Crisis Core Ultimania, pg. 33; Tifa's profile "She communicates her feelings together with Cloud in the final stages of the story, and in AC and DC they live together." -FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, pg. 118 (pg. 120 in the Revised Edition); Story Playback section "Cloud and Tifa, who remain, reveal their feelings for each other and clarify them together." -FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario, pg. 232; Story Playback section "And when Cloud and Tifa remain behind alone, in their final hours, they reveal their feelings for each other together." -FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario, pg. 394; "For the One I Love" page "Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, he confirms with her feelings that can't be expressed in words." As if all this weren't enough to make the case for the High Affection Highwind scene impenetrable, 2003's Final Fantasy VII International Memorial Album -- an extended reprint of the original FFVII Memorial Album from 1999 -- published by DigiCube (Square's former publishing subsidiary), provides a scene-by-scene tour of the game's script -- and includes only the high affection version of this scene (pp. 241-242). Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ memorialalbum2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ memorialalbum3.jpg The same is true of Tifa's card (card #068) from 2001's Final Fantasy Art Museum trading card collection, which includes Tifa's "Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking" line, as well as this parenthetical description of it: "(Night before the final battle, when she and Cloud are alone)." Source scan (courtesy of Quexinos): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FFArtMuseumTifa.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「想いを伝えられるのは言葉だけじゃないよ……」 (決戦前夜、クラウドと2人きりで) ---- Like the "For the One I Love" page, the card speaks of this version of events in definite terms -- not qualified terms based on the player's actions. I would also argue that Cloud's warm greeting to Yuffie upon her return to the airship the morning after the night he spent with Tifa is an indication of the High Affection version taking place. At the least, Yuffie's profile on pg. 39 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega mentions that his kind greeting is a result of the previous night: ---- Because of Cloud's proposal that each of them ascertain their reason to fight, she briefly leaves the airship. She goes back the next morning, and departs for the Northern Crater with her comrades. "Gee, Cloud...... that's so nice of you to say that. ......You sick?" -To Cloud, who affectionately greets her when she returns to the airship Yuffie is unaware that Cloud and Tifa had just spent the night together. Woman's intuition is as perceptive as ever, no? ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ yuffieandcloud.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドの提案で、自分が戦う理由を確かめるため、いったん飛空艇を降りる。 翌朝もどり、仲間とともに北の空洞へ発つ「おろ〜……クラウドやさしいねえ。 なんかあった？」?飛空艇にもどった自分を優しく迎えるクラウドにユフィは 知らないが、直前にクラウドはティファとふたりきりの夜を過ごしたばかり。さすが、 女のカンは鋭い？ ---- Nothing about the conversation that Cloud and Tifa had in the Low Affection version of the scene would logically lend itself to Cloud's mood being so much warmer. In the High Affection version, however -- where he gets to express his feelings of desire to the woman he wants to be with, and where she reciprocates those feelings -- he most certainly does. In the interest of full disclosure, though, it does bear acknowledging that pg. 201 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega makes the point that Yuffie's line is the same regardless of which version of the Highwind scene took place: ---- Before the final battle...... Variations determined by Tifa's affection rating apply from the beginning of the evening with Cloud and Tifa on the grassland until the conversation where they reunite with their companions on the airship. If the affection rating is high, Cloud and Tifa convey their feelings in powerful lines. Upon returning to the airship, Yuffie will say "Gee, Cloud...... that's so nice of you to say that. ......You sick?" regardless of the contents of their conversation. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ yuffieline_zpsace0019e.png Japanese text: ---- ?最終決戦を前に…… クラウドとティファが草原で夜を明かし、飛空艇で仲間たちと合流するまでの 会話は、ティファの好感度によって変化する。好感度が高いと、クラウドと ティファの互いを想う気持ちがセリフに強く表れるのだ。 飛空艇にもどったユフィは、クラウドたちの会話内容にかかわらず「クラウド やさしいねえ。なんかあった？」と話す。 ---- The case for the High Affection scene's canonicity builds ever further when one also considers pg. 280 of the Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- The Complete Guide, where a "Cloud & Tifa" entry appears in the book's Keyword Collection. One of the images that represents them there is a screenshot from the High Affection version of the Highwind scene -- of Tifa's "Words aren't the only thing ..." line, in fact. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ctkeyword.jpg You'll also notice that the other image that represents them on that page is a screenshot from the scene in Advent Children where Tifa lets Cloud have it. In other words, the two scenes of utmost open and honest communication between the two were selected to represent the two here, perhaps because failing to be straightforward with one another about their feelings has been the ongoing obstacle the two have struggled with since childhood. For those interested, here's a translation of the complete keyword entry, courtesy of hitoshura: ---- Cloud and Tifa Cloud and Tifa are childhood friends, both born in Nibelheim. When Cloud leaves the village, he calls Tifa out to the water tower and promises that he will become a SOLDIER. At the same time, he is also made by Tifa to promise that he will come to rescue her if she is ever in trouble. Following this, the pair experience many hardships, such as the Nibelheim incident which appears in CC, and the Jenova War in FFVII, and through these the distance between them shortens. And in AC, they live together with Barret's daughter Marlene and a boy named Denzel. Though there was also a period later where Cloud lived away from them after having contracted Geostigma, they finally reach a commune and return to living together once again. In DC, they rush together to Vincent's aid, in his battle against Deep Ground SOLDIER. ---- Japanese text: ---- クラウドとティファ クラウドとティファはニブルヘイム出身の幼なじみである。クラウドは村を出る時、 ティファを給水塔に呼び出し、ソルジャーになると約束。その際、ティファにピンチ の時は助けに来るようにと約束させられている。以降は、本作でも描かれている ニブルヘイム事件、『FFVII』のジェノバ戦役など、数々の紆余曲折を経て、 2人の距離は縮まった。そして『AC』ではバレットの娘マリンとデンゼルという少年 を含めて、エッジの街で4人一緒に暮らす。その後、クラウドが星痕症を 発症した際、別居をしていた時期もあったが、最後には心を通い合わせ、 再び共に暮らすようになった。なお『DC』では、2人一緒にディープグラウンド ソルジャーと戦うヴィンセントのもとへかけつけている。 ---- As one more source reference for the High Affection version of the Highwind scene being Square Enix's chosen outcome, we turn to pg. 199 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide. There, in FFVII's Impressive Scenes section -- selections of prominent scenes from each game covered by the book, for which it provides scripts of the chosen scenes -- under a heading that reads "The two's time alone before the final battle with Sephiroth" is the script of the High Affection version of the Highwind scene. Furthermore, it's accompanied by two screenshots -- one of Tifa saying the risque line from the High Affection version, and the other of Cloud and Tifa sleeping against each other the next morning: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ impressivescenes1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ impressivescenes2.jpg The Low Affection version of the scene, meanwhile, isn't spoken of at all here. Only four scenes from the game were selected for the Impressive Scenes section, the other three being a conversation between Cloud and Barret from the raid on the mako reactor at the beginning of the game, AVALANCHE's first meeting with Rufus, and Aerith's death scene. To be chosen out of all the scenes in the game to represent it here certainly tells us that the High Affection version of the Highwind scene is more than an easily dismissed alternative. The Low Affection version, on the other hand, *is* an easily dismissed alternative. As much as I hate to make a numbers game of this, even if one were to -- for the sake of argument -- treat as version-neutral those "communicate their feelings" and "reveal their feelings" quotes that don't make more explicit reference to the High Affection version of events, official references to the High Affection version would still far outweigh references to the Low Affection version. This is true whether they are taken on their own or combined with the "version-neutral" references to the scene. Here's what we'd be working with so far: ---- FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that it occurs the "night before the final battle" (pg. 14); High Affection -Description of both versions on the page about the effects of the date mechanics (pg. 187); Low Affection and High Affection FFVII Ultimania Omega -Statement that Cloud communicates his feelings with Tifa (pg.15); neutral -Statement that Tifa communicates her feelings with Cloud (pg.27); neutral -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings of desire for each other (pg.27); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa disclose their feelings for each other (pg.198); neutral -Description of the Low Affection version (pg. 198); Low Affection -Description of the High Affection version (pg. 198); High Affection -Screenshot from the High Affection version above a caption that says the night passes meaningfully between Cloud and Tifa when the affection rating is high (pg. 198); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa's feelings for each other will be conveyed strongly when the affection value is high (pg. 201); High Affection -Script of the Low Affection version (pg. 201); Low Affection -Script of the High Affection version (pg. 201); High Affection -Description of the outcome of Tifa's affection value being high -- along with a screenshot from the High Affection version -- on a page about the effects of the date mechanics (pg. 467); High Affection FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania -Statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings for each other, paired to a screenshot from the High Affection version (pg. 118; pg. 120 in the Revised Edition); High Affection Crisis Core Ultimania -Cloud and Tifa communicate their feelings to one another (pg. 33); neutral Crisis Core Complete Guide -"Cloud & Tifa" keyword accompanied by a screenshot of the "Words aren't the only thing" line (pg. 280); High Affection FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that it occurs the "night before the final battle" (pg. 195); High Affection FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario -Script of the High Affection version in the Impressive Scenes section (pg. 199); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings for each other (pg. 232); neutral -Deviation sidebar mentions there being two versions, but only bothers to describe the High Affection version (pg. 232); High Affection -"For the One I Love" page (pg. 394); High Affection FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2 -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that it occurs the "night before the final battle" and an explanation that Cloud and Tifa have loved one another for many years (pg. 23); High Affection -The night before the final battle, here called "the fateful evening the two share," is described as "an evening overcome with a flood of feelings" that "becomes something special FFVII International Memorial Album -Script of only the High Affection version included (pp. 241-242); High Affection FF Art Museum trading card collection -The "Words aren't the only thing" line is on Tifa's card (card #068); High Affection ---- As you can see here, even if one does separate the statements about Cloud and Tifa communicating their feelings from the romantic implications the phrase carries, *and* ignores that one version of the Highwind scene was identified as having a conversation with feelings while the other was described as having one lacking in feelings -- then they would still be left with only five version-neutral references and three Low Affection scene references. References to the High Affection version, on the other hand, would total 18. However, the reality is, of course, that all of the statements about Cloud and Tifa sharing feelings that night are references to the High Affection version, and so we're actually dealing with this scenario -- two references to the Low Affection version and 23 references to the High Affection version: ---- FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that it occurs the "night before the final battle" (pg. 14); High Affection -Description of both versions on the page about the effects of the date mechanics (pg. 187); Low Affection and High Affection FFVII Ultimania Omega -Statement that Cloud communicates his feelings with Tifa (pg.15); High Affection -Statement that Tifa communicates her feelings with Cloud (pg.27); High Affection -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings of desire for each other (pg.27); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa disclose their feelings for each other (pg.198); High Affection -Description of the Low Affection version (pg. 198); Low Affection -Description of the High Affection version (pg. 198); High Affection -Screenshot from the High Affection version above a caption that says the night passes meaningfully between Cloud and Tifa when the affection rating is high (pg. 198); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa's feelings for each other will be conveyed strongly when the affection value is high (pg. 201); High Affection -Script of the Low Affection version (pg. 201); Low Affection -Script of the High Affection version (pg. 201); High Affection -Description of the outcome of Tifa's affection value being high -- along with a screenshot from the High Affection version -- on a page about the effects of the date mechanics (pg. 467); High Affection FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania -Statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings for each other, paired to a screenshot from the High Affection version (pg. 118; pg. 120 in the Revised Edition); High Affection Crisis Core Ultimania -Cloud and Tifa communicate their feelings to one another (pg. 33); High Affection Crisis Core Complete Guide -"Cloud & Tifa" keyword accompanied by a screenshot of the "Words aren't the only thing" line (pg. 280); High Affection FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario -Script of the High Affection version in the Impressive Scenes section (pg. 199); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings for each other (pg. 232); High Affection -Deviation sidebar mentions there being two versions, but only bothers to describe the High Affection version (pg. 232); High Affection -"For the One I Love" page (pg. 394); High Affection FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that it occurs the "night before the final battle" (pg. 195); High Affection FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario -Script of the High Affection version in the Impressive Scenes section (pg. 199); High Affection -Statement that Cloud and Tifa confirm their feelings for each other (pg. 232); neutral -Deviation sidebar mentions there being two versions, but only bothers to describe the High Affection version (pg. 232); High Affection -"For the One I Love" page (pg. 394); High Affection FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2 -"Words aren't the only thing" line quoted, along with a statement that it occurs the "night before the final battle" and an explanation that Cloud and Tifa have loved one another for many years (pg. 23); High Affection -The night before the final battle, here called "the fateful evening the two share," is described as "an evening overcome with a flood of feelings" that "becomes something special FFVII International Memorial Album -Script of only the High Affection version included (pp. 241-242); High Affection FF Art Museum trading card collection -The "Words aren't the only thing" line is on Tifa's card (card #068); High Affection ---- Does a numbers game alone prove anything on its own, though? Not really. What it does show, I would argue, is a preoccupation on SE's part with the High Affection scene, as well as an emphasis to fans as to which version we should consider significant. For that matter, while the numbers game alone may not prove SE's intent, a reading of the associated passages in context most certainly does. Another element of that context that is worthwhile to note is the manner in which Cloud and Tifa's first conversation alone together and their last conversation alone together are bookended with stars. When they exchanged their promise as children, they did so sitting under a sea of stars. Really, go check that scene out again. There are a lot of stars visible above them. The scene even culminates in a shooting star flying by. During their final conversation as adults on the night they spend together under the Highwind, though we can't see the stars above, we know they are once again there as Cloud and Tifa spend another night beneath the stars discussing what's important to them. At one point, Tifa asks Cloud if he thinks the stars can hear them and see how hard they are fighting, so we know the lights in the night sky have come out by this point. As TheLifestream.net forum member looneymoon once poignantly noted: ---- Stars. Shooting stars. Symbol of Cloud/Tifa's bond. They're present during their promise as children. The promise they made because Cloud had strong romantic feelings for her. They're used to frame their last night together under the Highwind. The night they spend together, during the time they're supposed to realize "what they're fighting for." The two scenes are connected. Tifa loves Cloud, there's no doubt about that. Their feelings match. The star emphasizes the feelings they had as children still matter. It's romantic no matter which way you look at it. Symbols can only be interpreted in so many ways, but they matter. ---- For clarification’s sake, Tifa is indeed referring to the stars here, and not to the planet they are standing on. Though the Japanese word “hoshi” (星) can refer to any celestial body, and is also used in the game to refer to the planet the story is set upon, the term typically refers to stars when used in the plural form as “hoshi tachi” (星たち). This is how the word is used here by Tifa in the Japanese text of the game: ねえ、クラウド……私たちの声を、星たちも 聞いててくれると思う？ 頑張っている私たちの姿を見ていてくれると思う？ “Tachi” denotes a plurality, as in “watashi tachi” (私たち) within the same line ("watashi" means "I," so a plurality of it means "we"). Despite the inarguable proof, counterarguments that something romantic actually occurred between Cloud and Tifa on that night are yet perpetuated. Most commonly, the claim is that the quotes about the feelings shared between Cloud and Tifa don't identify the type of feelings being shared and confirmed between the two -- and could, thus, be any kind of feelings. Or that when the feelings are specifically identified as mutually favorable, they are only done so in the context of passages describing the player-determined outcomes of the scene. Accompanying this claim, the quote from pg. 198 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega is usually also mentioned: ---- Night before the final battle...... After stopping Hojo's recklessness and before heading to the Northern Crater, the conversation scene with Tifa can diverge drastically depending on Tifa's affection rating. When the affection rating is low, the conversation of the scene where the two spend the evening is candid/apathetic and rather short. In the scene on the bridge the next morning, Tifa asks 'Were you listening?' and taps her foot. On the other hand, if the affection rating is high, the two spend the evening in focused conversation, and on the bridge, Tifa asks 'Were you watching?' and collapses in embarrassment. [Caption for the screenshot of Cloud saying "This is probably the last time we'll have together......"] When the degree of affection is high, the night passes meaningfully between the two...... ---- The claim is then expanded to say that the mutual feelings Cloud and Tifa confirmed could either be a) feelings of mutual romantic disinterest; b) romantic interest on Tifa's part tempered to disinterest because she knows Cloud is in love with Aerith instead; or c) feelings of support for one another. Even the blatant terms in which the contents of the "For the One I Love" page are phrased -- wording that states a romantic scene occurred, rather than wording that emphasizes or even mentions the optional events available to the player -- get ignored due to the screenshot caption referencing pg. 232, where the "Deviation" sidebar about the low affection version is found. That first argument is obviously baseless given that we know Tifa loves Cloud and is interested in him. We know this for so many reasons. FFVII shows us this. On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa shows us this. Advent Children shows us this. More than one Ultimania tells us this -- e.g. Cloud's profile on pg. 37 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 39 of the Revised Edition), Tifa's profile on pg. 194 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide, and the character flowchart on pp. 218-219 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: (pg. 37 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania; caption beside picture of Cloud and Tifa on the date at the Gold Saucer; translation from TheLifestream.net) "Both Aerith, who is forthright, and Tifa, who is demure, have feelings for Cloud but he is none the wiser to them." (pg. 194 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide) "She is shy when it comes to love. She's getting better at plainly expressing her feelings to Cloud, though, and can do so more easily now." (pp. 218-219 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega; arrow running from Tifa to Cloud) "Favors" Source scans (in order of reference): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ U10pg3739_zpsab2772b2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssh8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FinalFantasyVIIUltimaniaOmega0218_zps06e1f803.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FinalFantasyVIIUltimaniaOmega0219_zpscba108ad.jpg Japanese text (in order of reference): ---- 積極的なエアリスとひかえめなティファ。ふたりの心にクラウドはなかなか気づかない。 ---- ---- 恋愛に関しては奥手。クラウドに想いを寄せながらも素直になれず、なかなか気持ちを 伝えられずにいる。 ---- ---- 好意 ---- The second claim is equally ridiculous. If Tifa's interested in Cloud then she's interested in Cloud. Not being interested in a relationship with a man who loves another woman until his affections turn to you isn't equivalent to not being interested in a relationship with the man. It means you're interested in a relationship with him right now and want things to change right now. In other words, there's nothing mutual about the feelings in a situation like that. For that matter, this second claim assumes as its premise the unverified condition that Cloud is in love with Aerith. That in itself is a counterclaim in need of support, and cannot be used as reasoning for a conclusion saying the same thing. Both claims addressed here also fall short given that "communicate their feelings" and "reveal their feelings" are used in Japanese the way "realized their feelings for each other" is in English. Not to mention that it's simply absurd that a scene would even be needed for two characters who aren't interested in each another to confirm their romantic indifference for one another on the eve of global apocalypse. As TheLifestream.net forum member Octorawk put it: ---- ... How ridiculous it would be for them to "confirm friendship": Tifa: "Cloud.....there has been something I wanted to tell you." Cloud: "Yes, I've been meaning to tell you something too ..." Tifa: "Cloud, you're a really good friend." Cloud: "Yup, you too Tifa ... Gee ... I hope we don't die tomorrow. Nighty night." Or "confirm mutual disinterest": Tifa: "Tonight may be our last night alive, so I think we should get one thing straight." Cloud: "Yes." Tifa: "I'm just not into you, Cloud. I just thought I better tell you that. Cos' it would be awkward to spend the last 24 hours of my life thinking you thought I liked you." Cloud: "Yeah, don't worry about it, I'm not interested in you either. I'm glad you said it, because it would have been weird." Tifa: "Phew... Well, that's a load off ...... Well, then. Goodnight, Cloud." Cloud: "Nighto." Seriously, If you were watching a film and something like that happened, you'd walk out of the theatre and demand your money back. ---- Such a course of events would be made all the sillier when looking at the overall Compilation of FFVII and what decisions Cloud and Tifa make immediately following the events of FFVII. Made in light of those, here's an equally humorous riff on the notion by two other forum members, Isabella and Vendel: ---- Isabella: After all they've been through together, Cloud and Tifa have a meaningful night in which they discover ... they're friends. And this realization leads them to live together. C&T are officially the dumbest characters ever put out by SE. Vendel: "Tifa, I like you so platonically that I just have to live with you." "Oh, Cloud ... I do so enjoy your company ... Let's adopt!" ---- However, as we're not going into the rest of the Compilation just yet, we'll instead focus on the fact that Cloud and Tifa aren't shown confirming any feelings in the Low Affection version of the Highwind scene to begin with. Cloud hardly says anything, after all, whereas in the High Affection version, he's extremely forthcoming (for Cloud, anyway), left unable to even find words to properly express himself. Granted, he and Tifa do speak of supporting one another. That claim is true. Tifa says, "But that's all right, even if no one comes back. As long as I'm with you... As long as you're by my side... I won't give up even if I'm scared." The next morning, Cloud references this when he says, "It's all right, Tifa. You said so yourself yesterday. At least we don't have to go on alone." It's even been asserted before that Cloud's last monologue in the diary-like entries from the Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide (pg. 182) is evidence that the canon outcome for the Highwind scene is the lower affection version, with the two only confirming feelings of support for one another. Ignoring for now the questionable canonicity of the diary entries from the Kaitai Shinsho (see the "What is the FFVII canon?" article elsewhere in this document), the basis for the above claim is this monologue: (translation by hitoshura) ---- [Cloud: To the final battle] I can feel it ... from up north. He's storing up some unbelievably powerful energy -- The path of destruction might be the only one left for us, no matter how much we struggle. We might just die a little before the planet, without Holy activating ... Even so, I have to fight. To settle my past. To be myself. And, above all -- to free her frozen smile. And Tifa's here for me. I'm not fighting alone, that's what Tifa taught me -- Everyone came back. Barret, Cid, Red XIII ... Cait Sith taking part by remote control, while evacuating the citizens of Midgar. Vincent, who despite his cold attitude is really hiding a burning fighting spirit. Yuffie, who put up with her motion sickness and came back. Everyone each has their own reasons to right. And they're all tied to the life of the planet. Let's mosey, to the Northern Crater! She left us hope, now we'll release Aerith's wish! ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lastmonologue_zpsab2d4f7f.jpg Japanese text: ---- ［クラウド：最後の戦いへ］ 感じるんだ……北の果てから。あいつが、とてつもなく強いエネルギーを たくわえているのが--。 どうあがいても、俺たちには滅びの道しか残されていないのかもしれない。 ホーリーを発動させることなく、星よりもちょっと前に死ぬだけなのかも……。 それでも、俺は戦わなきゃならない。過去と決別するために。俺が俺で あるために。そして、何よりも--凍てついた彼女の微笑を溶かすために。 それに、ティファがいてくれる。俺の戦いは孤独じゃないんだって、ティファは 教えてくれる--。 みんなも帰ってきれくれた。バレットも、シドも、レッドXIIIも……。ミッドガル の市民を避難させながら、遠隔操作で参加してくれるケット・シー。さめた 態度だけど、本当は熱い闘志を秘めたヴィンセント。乗り物酔いをおして、 もどってきてくれたユフィ。 みんなそれぞれ、戦う理由を持ってる。そしてそれは、星の命へとつながっている。 行こう、北の大空洞へ！ 俺たちに希望を残してくれた、エアリスの想いを解き放つために！ ---- In the first place, I would argue that this entry is assuming the High Affection scene took place because of its reference to it as such in the Analects of Tifa section of her profile from the book, as quoted earlier. More than that, though, the problem with this claim about friendship and support, quite simply, is that there's no element of revelation in it, nor any need for confirmation of it. Cloud and Tifa had been supporting one another since before the beginning of the game, when she found him semi-catatonic at the Sector 7 train station. They already knew they were there for one another -- and not just in battle. Even with how slow on the uptake Cloud can be at times, if he didn't pick up on the fact that she -- and the rest of his comrades, for that matter -- supported him emotionally when they stuck by him and encouraged him to journey on after he beat Aerith up and began to doubt himself, then he should have known it when Tifa helped him piece his shattered psyche together in the Lifestream. And even if not quite then, Tifa and the rest of AVALANCHE welcome him back with open arms after he recovers his memories, despite him having been Sephiroth's puppet who allowed the villain to cast Meteor. Cloud, as well, had supported Tifa. He participated in the second mako reactor mission because she reminded him of the promise he had made to her. He infiltrated Don Corneo's mansion to rescue her. And before giving Sephiroth the Black Materia the second time around, he apologized to everyone -- but he singled Tifa out for his greatest apology, and offered her encouragement that someday she might meet the "real Cloud." So, was it almost the end of the game when they realized and confirmed feelings of support to each other? No, the two of them had definitely confirmed friendship and support of one another well before the end of Disc 2. There's no argument to be made for them confirming such feelings in the Low Affection version of the Highwind scene -- a version which, again, was said to have a conversation *lacking* in feeling. Before we get too far from the "mutual disinterest" arguments, by the way, even if one wants to argue -- as has actually happened -- that taking advantage of the game's affection ratings system to lower Tifa's affection for Cloud allows one to change how she feels about him, this does not actually change how she feels about him in the narrative. The Ultimania pages referenced a few paragraphs above that speak to Tifa's feelings for Cloud clearly apply regardless of an optional game mechanic. Seriously, we know Tifa digs Cloud. The player making use of an inherently illogical, completely arbitrary game mechanic (more on that in a moment) to lower Tifa's affection rating for Cloud to something slightly less doesn't change that -- as far as the actual story is concerned -- she still wants him. That she is in love with him is obvious, even in the Highwind scene's lower affection version. For that matter, Cloud doesn't have an affection rating. His feelings are static (more on that soon as well). It is Tifa's -- as well as Aerith's, Barret's and Yuffie's -- affection for Cloud that can be manipulated. By those who have taken that route, it has also been argued that the player, in the role of Cloud, influences the affection ratings of those he favors and doesn't favor as a reflection of his own preferences. In other words, if a character's affection rating for Cloud goes up, it's because he favors them and shows this through his behavior. In response, one must ask if Cloud, then, tells Tifa to be strong at the end of the mission at the No. 5 mako reactor in order to show off for Barret (that choice adds +1 to Barret's affection rating for Cloud). Does he give Barret's daughter a flower in order to impress him (+5 for Barret)? Does he tell Don Corneo that he has a boyfriend named Barret because he truly feels that way (+5 for Barret) -- and even if so, why does a conversation Barret never hears increase his affection for Cloud? Similarly, why does telling Jessie "Looking forward to it" during the train ride following the game's opening mission lower Tifa's affection rating by three? What does that have to do with Tifa? Not only is she not present for the conversation, but the player hasn't even met her yet. How about getting to the last train car before lockdown during the No. 5 reactor mission? Why does that give Tifa and Barret's affection values five points? Why does saying "I don't know if I can hold on" at the end of that mission give Tifa's affection rating one point? If Aerith is chosen as Corneo's date, why does saying "We've gotta help Aerith!" increase Tifa's affection value (+3), while asking her if she's alright lowers it (-2)? That one in particular is completely counterintuitive. Why does who accompanies you to Barret's fight with Dyne affect anything at all (+10 for Aerith, +3 for Tifa, +2 for Yuffie)? For that matter, in terms of the narrative, shouldn't everyone have gone along? Does Cloud push the wrong barrels in the church after meeting Aerith to make her not like him (-3 for each wrong barrel)? Or does her affection for him increase or decrease regardless of his motivations and intentions? Spoiler alert: it does. If the affection ratings can change independently of Cloud's affections, then haven't we lost sight of the premise we began to argue for in treating Tifa, Aerith, Yuffie and Barret's affection levels as a reflection of Cloud's own? For that matter, in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania interview referenced earlier in this article (pg. 11 of both editions of the book), Yoshinori Kitase commented that one of the contributing factors to the popularity of FFVII's characters was "having 2 heroines, Aerith and Tifa, and having the hero waver between them, that was something new" (translation by hitoshura). Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 2heroines.jpg Japanese text: ---- エアリスとティファというふたりのヒロインがいて、主人公がそのあいだで揺れ 動くという設定も、当時としては新しかった。 ---- That Kitase thinks in terms of a love triangle rather than a love pyramid is sufficient on its own to show that the affection ratings are a fun diversion only -- not a reflection of or determinant factor in the actual story. If the affection ratings actually have narrative impact, as well as reflect Cloud's feelings, why can one get someone other than Tifa for the date at the Gold Saucer, yet still get the High Affection Highwind scene? For that matter, why can one get Tifa for the Gold Saucer date -- which would require her affection rating for Cloud be the highest among the four candidates -- and still get the lower affection Highwind scene? Does he stop liking her halfway through the game? Most importantly of all, why treat an inherently illogical, completely arbitrary game mechanic as a reflection of the narrative? Perhaps more importantly, in fact: Where is this version of the lower affection scene in which Tifa and Cloud would express romantic disinterest? Where is it to be found? It simply does not exist. No matter how many times one plays through FFVII, and no matter how low Tifa's affection rating may be, they will never -- short of modifying the PC version of the game -- come across such a scene. TheLifestream.net and Cloud x Aerith forum member JayM once made the following valuable observations: ---- So this isn't a super-short post, I'm going to throw my hat in with the people who think the explanation of the LA HW scene is implausible. We see the entire LA HW scene (unless there's more talking after the fade to black? But I thought it was implied to be short?). So the dialogue being mentioned could not have happened. Regardless of the feelings between the two characters, or the intentions of the creators, this "just friends" conversation did not exist in the narrative text of the LA HW scene. ... -In order to make this argument, you guys've gotta prove 1. That the conversation went beyond what we saw 2. That the theorized extended dialogue was a confirmation of friendship. And if you want to really make this a point FOR Clerith 3. That the reason Cloud would only want to be friends is because he is in love with Aeris, to the exclusion of being in love with Tifa. IMO this is a really convoluted way to work around to arguing that Cloud loves Aeris, and I think getting past point one will be incredibly difficult, much less getting to point three. I'd let this one go. CloTi doesn't invalidate the existence of Clerith; you don't need to disprove it to argue for Clerith. ---- Along a similar vein, Master Bates made the following comment: ---- Actually, I am more curious how the LA version somehow translates to Cloud is still in love with Aerith when the latter isn't even included nor mentioned in that scene. There wasn't even any reference to her, so how does that make getting the LA scene means Cloud loving Aerith? ---- To summarize the matter, the lower affection scene ends when Cloud suggests that he and Tifa should get some sleep, and she agrees. One can argue until blue in the face that a conversation concerning "mutual disinterest" could have come up during the night, but -- referring back to the quote from pg. 198 of the Ultimania Omega -- how does it make sense for a scene said to be "rather short" to continue on for a longer, more significant conversation after the fade-to-black than it did prior to the fade? The fade out at the end of the lower affection scene can't be likened to that in the higher affection version. The latter is a discretionary shot that has been explicitly identified in official materials as providing a segue past a physically intimate moment; the former is the end to a conversation, not a prelude to more communication to follow. Both scenes fade out, sure, but for different reasons. One fades out because Square wasn't prepared to depict a scene of physical, romantic intimacy, while the other fades out because watching people sleep is boring. In any case, how would a conversation in which Cloud and Tifa discuss not being romantically interested in one another not qualify as having deep subject matter, as the higher affection scene is said to contain on pg. 232 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide?: "If her affection value is high, the content of their conversation will be deep, showing that they strongly care for each other." For that matter, wouldn't any conversation about Cloud and Tifa's feelings for each other qualify as containing deep subject matter, regardless of whether their feelings were romantic or the feelings between best friends? And, as TheLifestream.net staff member Ryushikaze has commented, "Scenes without feeling cannot be scenes in which mutual feelings are confirmed." There is no such confirmation in the Low Affection version of the Highwind scene. Period. Put even more simply, the bottom line here is: There can't be any confirmation of feelings in a scene that doesn't involve Cloud reciprocating Tifa's digging of him. This is common sense. Another common counterargument to the canon status of the High Affection scene is that, due to the scene being subject to player control, it can't be said to have a canon outcome at all. This argument is even less grounded than the previous due to a great many scenes subject to player influence in FFVII and other Final Fantasy titles having officially confirmed results. While not every optional element of any Final Fantasy can be said to have a confirmed outcome, there is a simple, logical set of criteria we can follow to conclude if such an outcome exists. If the consequences of a particular outcome are shown to be in play in a chronologically subsequent title, or shown to be in play in an official book's description of later events, then that's how things went down. Also, if a particular version of events is outright said/shown to have occurred, then -- unless the matter becomes messy due to inconsistencies -- that's also how things went down. Examples of the former include Yuffie and Vincent joining AVALANCHE, Clasko being influenced by Tidus in FFX to become a chocobo breeder in FFX-2 (despite the player having the option in the first game to inspire him to remain a knight), the choices in X-2 that lead to Tidus's resurrection in the game's ending, and Shadow surviving the events of the Floating Continent in FFVI. Examples of the latter criterion being met include Terra's revelation about love (discussed on the "For the One I Love" page, as well as on pg. 186 from the same book, in FFVI’s Story Playback), FFV's official ending being the one in which everyone in the party survives the final battle (featured at the end of that game's Story Playback section on pg. 155 of the same Ultimania), and Tidus returning in X-2's ending (on pg. 391; the Story Playback for that even shows a screenshot of he and Yuna together along with a caption for it saying "Tidus is resurrected in the ending movie, in a connection to the very end of the previous work's ending" ? ティーダが復活するエンディングのムービーは、前作のエンディングの最後 からつながっている). TheHigh Affection Highwind scene is also an example of this brand of confirmation, as we've observed at length. Source scans for the above events (in order of reference, beginning with pg. 186 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg186.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg155.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg391.jpg Among the options discussed above, several are also filed under "Deviation" headings in the Ultimania, just like the Highwind scene received. Examples include Clasko's profession ("Deviation" heading entitled “The Path Clasko Takes”/クラスコの進む道 found on pg. 353), Shadow being left behind on the Floating Continent ("Deviation" heading entitled “The Life and Death of Shadow”/シャドウの生死 found on pg. 183), and the optional decisions in FFX-2 that lead to Tidus's return (“Deviation” headings entitled “Preparation for the Ending”/ エンディングへの布石 on pp. 387, 388 and 391). Source scans (in order of reference): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg353.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg183.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg387.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg388.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg391.jpg Also worth pointing out is that two of FFVI's own four "Impressive Scenes" selections on pp. 160 and 161 were optional or contained optional elements, like the High Affection Highwind scene. The first of these is the scene depicting Terra's revelation about love. The second is the Returners all confronting Kefka for the game's final battle. The Highwind scene is not alone in being a mercurial event with a specific outcome chosen as one of the most memorable scenes for its game. Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg160.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg161.jpg Many events in FFVII and other Final Fantasy titles are subject to player control or influence, but still have canon outcomes. For instance, in Final Fantasy XIII, a line in Vanille's narration of Chapter 1 ("You said you liked my smile") references an optional event that takes place in Chapter 11, where Hope mentions that Vanille's smile makes him feel happy: (Video courtesy of DavidGamesHD) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e727H81IAs This cutscene can be easily missed if the player doesn't go to the specific spot in Gran Pulse that triggers it. Even as an optional scene that the player may never see, it has a reference in the main body of the narrative before ever being available to the player. In a similar case, Maechen from FFX can be completely ignored by the player during the course of play in that game. In FFX-2, however, during a conversation between he and Yuna, Maechen will comment that he conversed with Tidus on a number of occasions. For an example closer to home, before Sephiroth casts Meteor in FFVII, the player has the option of leaving the Black Materia with either Red XIII or Barret for safekeeping. Despite this, all official sources on the matter depict Cloud as choosing Red XIII, just as all official sources speak of the High Affection Highwind scene taking place. Sources included in this matter with Red XIII are pp. 179 and 183 of the FFVII International Memorial Album, pp. 35 and 165 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 227 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide, Reminiscence of FFVII and pp. 57 and 115 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 59 and 117 of the Revised Edition). With regard to pg. 35 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega and the first reference from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania mentioned above, the event in question is even included on Red XIII's personal timelines from his profiles in both books, while neither Barret's personal timeline from the FFVII Ultimania Omega nor his personal timeline from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania speak of the matter as including him with the definite phrasing used in Red's entries: (pg. 35 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- When he receives the Black Materia from Cloud, the weight of the responsibility makes him shuffle. When he then loses sight of his comrades due to Sephiroth's illusions, he goes into a state of near panic. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd153.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドから黒マテリアを預かった場合、責任の重さにビクビク。セフィロス の幻覚で仲間の姿を見失ったときは、なかばパニック状態になる。 ---- (pg. 57 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania; pg. 59 of the Revised Edition) ---- Entrusted with the Black Materia by Cloud, then tricked by Jenova mimicking Tifa, allowing Meteor to be invoked. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd154.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドから黒マテリアを預かるも、ティファに擬態したジェノバにだまされ、 メテオ発動を許してしまう。 ---- In fact, Barret's timeline from his profile in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 20) speaks of the matter in which he is left with the Black Materia as indefinite and subject to change: ---- During the event immediately following the recovery of the Black Materia, where some of the party wait on standby while Cloud and the others proceed into the Great Northern Cave, there are times when Barret is left with the Black Materia for safekeeping. Although he says "...Pressure's on now" and is careful, he is easily deceived by Jenova when it assumes Tifa's form and delivers the materia to Cloud, who became Sephiroth's puppet. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd155.jpg Japanese text: ---- 黒マテリアを奪還したのち、クラウドたちと一緒に大空洞の奥まで行かずに 待機した場合、バレットが黒マテリアを預かることがある。「責任重大だぜ」 と大事に持っているが、ティファに化けたジェノバにあっさりだまされ、セフィロス の人形と化したクラウドに渡してしまう。 ---- Meanwhile, in the Story Playback section later in the book, on pg. 163 the matter of whom the materia gets left with is discussed as optional, but it is then shown to be Red XIII on pg. 165: (pg. 163 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- The Black Materia is Handed to Another Party Member After the Jenova-DEATH battle, the Black Materia is recovered and it is decided to leave it with either Barret or Red XIII before proceeding. Whoever the Black Materia is left with will speak to Jenova while it mimics Tifa, then rush off to rejoin Cloud on that pretense. [Screenshot caption of Red XIII saying "You want me to take the Black Materia? ......all right, I understand"] When left with Red XIII. His nervous words and twitching are kind of cute. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd156.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?黒マテリアを預けた相手 ジェノバ・DEATH戦後に入手した黒マテリアは、先へ進む前にバレットか レッドXIIIに預けることになる。ここで黒マテリアを預かった者が、ティファに 擬態したジェノバと話したり、クラウドのもとへ駆けつけたりするのだ（P.166, 167）。 [Screenshot caption of Red XIII saying "You want me to take the Black Materia? ......all right, I understand"] レッドXIIIに預けた場合。心細げな言動がちょっとかわいい。 ---- (pg. 165 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd157.jpg Likewise, the Story Playback section of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania also features Red XIII as the party member chosen to safeguard the Black Materia (pg. 115; pg. 117 of the Revised Edition): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ redbm10th.jpg As mentioned, the script of the game included in the FFVII International Memorial Album once again shows Red XIII to be the recipient of the Black Materia, as does Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII: (pp. 179 and 183 of the FFVII International Memorial Album) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd158.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd159.jpg (Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyIdWzehbk Returning briefly to a previous example, the scene with Terra mentioned on the "For the One I Love" page ("Also, in 'FFVI,' there's the scene where Terra recovers her ability to fight and comes to understand the emotion called 'love'; when talking about 'love,' this is a scene that shouldn't be left out") was altogether an optional scene, rather than unavoidable-yet-malleable like the Highwind scene. Thus, it is subject to the player's control whether it appears in their playthrough of the story at all. And even so, it's all treated as something that definitely happened, both on that page and in FFVI's Story Playback within the same book (pg. 186). For that matter, even leaving Shadow behind on the Floating Continent in FFVI is in the sidebar of FFVI's story summary under the "Deviation" heading (pg. 183) called "The Life and Death of Shadow." Yet recruiting him back into the Returners at the Coliseum later is mentioned in the main body of the story recap (pg. 187), he's shown among the Returners when they confront Kefka for the final battle on pg. 191, he's included in the ending screens and description on the same page, and he's included in the script of the scene in which the Returners confront Kefka for the game's showdown -- text from Shadow included -- in one of the FFVI Story Playback's four Impressive Scenes on pg. 161. These are things that can't be done if he's left on the Floating Continent. Source scans (in order of reference): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg183.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg187.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg191.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/pg161.jpg Re-recruiting Relm in Jidoor is also mentioned in the main body of the story summary (pg. 187), while finding her in the Veldt cave is mentioned under the same kind of "Deviation" heading (in this case, “In the Event that Shadow died …”/シャドウが死んでいた 場合は…… ). It is also identified as a consequence of the player choosing to leave Shadow behind. As you can see, there are several scenes -- and from more than just one of the games -- that have a "Deviation" sidebar yet still have canon outcomes that are mentioned in the main body of their respective games' story summaries in the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario. The Highwind scene is simply another one of them. Yet another common counterargument against the High Affection Highwind scene being canon is the observation that the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide identifies Cloud and Tifa as "osananajimi"/?c?E?¶?Y ("childhood friends") rather than identifying them as a couple or showing them with a mutual "favors" arrow on its character relationship chart for FFVII (pp. 190-191), "favors" ("koui"/?D?O in Japanese) being a euphemism for "love" in that language, as seen in this definition for the word from the Goo Japanese Dictionary: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Koui The feelings of friendship and affection. Also used as a euphemism for love. ---- Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108083510/ http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/71667/m0u/ Japanese text: ---- こう‐い〔カウ‐〕【好意】 その人にいだく親しみや好ましく思う気持ち。愛情の婉曲的な表現としても用いられる。 ---- This word was used in the case of Celes and Locke for Final Fantasy VI's chart (pp. 148-149) and for Squall and Rinoa on FFVIII's (pp. 232-233): (scans courtesy of Celes and Balthea of TheLifestream.net) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FFVIchart.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ vi001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ viii001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviicharacterchart.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffvii001.jpg This same argument regarding these charts has recently been expanded to include the chart for FFVII on pg. 15 of the Final Fantasy 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2, released on December 18, 2012 -- the 25th anniversary of the first Final Fantasy game's release to the public. That chart uses identical markers to those seen in the previous book, as does its chart for FFVIII (pg. 121): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thviichart_zpsf310b60f.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thviiichart_zpsca0804a6.jpg By not identifying such a couple with regard to FFVII's charts, however, the books aren't making a statement that there isn't a couple to be determined from the game or wider Compilation materials. The chart isn't taking into account the entirety of the Compilation, nor even the entirety of the original game for that matter. On both book’s charts, the line going from Cid to Shera says "tsuraku ataru" (つらく当たる/つらくあたる) ? "to treat cruelly/unkindly." Compare the chart above to this one from the 25h Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tsurakuataru_zpsaed717d0.jpg Furthermore, the description is rendered in the present ongoing tense, not past tense, which would be "tsurakau atatta" (つらく当たった). It's not true that Cid treated her unkindly by the end of Disc 2, where the Highwind scene occurs. As well, the chart obviously doesn't mention that Cid and Shera are married by the time of Dirge of Cerberus, so there clearly is a point where these charts stopped keeping track of what was going on. Not even Advent Children and DC's own charts in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 121, 133; pp. 123 and 135 in the Revised Edition) provide any greater illumination on the matter of who Cloud is in love with, lacking "koui"/"favors" arrows altogether. DC's chart doesn't even have an arrow or line of any sort running from Cloud or Tifa to the other, while AC's has them again identified as "childhood friends," no arrow from Aerith to Cloud, and the only arrow from Cloud to Aerith reading "tsumi no ishiki" ("sense of guilt"/罪の意識) ? the same arrow running from Lucrecia to Grimoire Valentine on DC's chart. Source photos and scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/img121.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img121dos.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/img133.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img133dos.jpg Furthermore, this book's chart for the original game (pg. 109) doesn't so much as include "koui"/"favors" arrows from Aerith and Tifa to Cloud -- unlike the flowchart in the FFVII Ultimania Omega (pp. 218-219) -- nor does even its DC flowchart include the fact that Cid and Shera are married during that game. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/img109.jpg More telling still, the charts for Before Crisis, Last Order and Crisis Core (pp. 147, 159 and 163 respectively; pp. 149, 161 and 165 of the Revised Edition) only identify Cloud and Tifa as "childhood friends," despite it being otherwise established in canon that Cloud and Tifa had a mutual interest in one another as teenagers, even if unknown to either: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ bcchart_zps43d49a53.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lochart_zpsc516fc2c.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ccchart_zpsaba1bcbb.jpg The argument has also crept into the debate that Cloud and Aerith's relation to one another on the Advent Children chart reflects an evolution from FFVII to its sequel while Cloud and Tifa's relation to one another does not. In addition to the absurdity of a one-way arrow running from Cloud to Aerith that says he blames himself for her death somehow reflecting an evolution in a reciprocal relationship between them, one really must ask how Zack got demoted from FFVII to Advent Children when he was already dead before either of them began. Why are he and Cloud “best friends” (親友) on all original game charts and all pre-original game charts, yet are suddenly described with "katsute no shinyuu" ("one-time best friends"/かつての親友) ”one-time best friends” for a chart in the same book based two years after the original game? What kind of "evolution" is being reflected here? To argue that Cloud and Tifa's relationship has not evolved in any manner plainly ignores the numerous official statements that outright tell us their relationship to one another has evolved. For that matter, there is at least one post-original game interrelations chart that does mention Cloud and Tifa with something other than "childhood friends." The Advent Children Prologue book included a fold-out poster with Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz on one side; a "Human Relations of Final Fantasy VII Advent Children" chart on the other. It offers the following descriptions: ---- [Between Cloud and Sephiroth] "Connection from the past" 過去からの因縁 [From Sephiroth to his Shinentai] "Influencing?" 影響? [From the Shinentai to Sephiroth] "Sense his presence?" 存在を感知? [From Kadaj to Cloud] "Regard as an enemy" 敵視 [Between Rufus and Kadaj] "Hostility" 対立関係 [Between Rufus and Cloud] "Former enemies" 過去に対立 [Between Shin-Ra and Tifa] "Mutual interests with regard to Kadaj and co." カダージュたちに対して利害が一致 [From Cloud to AVALANCHE] "Comrades fought alongside 2 years ago" 2年前ともに戦った仲間 [From Cloud to the Seventh Heaven family (Tifa, Denzel and Marlene)] "Living with" 共同生活していた ---- Source photos: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ acchart1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ acchart2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ acchart3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ acchart4.jpg It certainly can't be called reverse evolution to have gone from "childhood friends" to "living together." Further, while the line from Cloud to Tifa here isn't a direct one and she is one of three people the description applies to, it still applies to her. It can't be argued that it doesn't. Besides, drawing three separate lines for each person Cloud is now "living with" is simply unnecessary and wouldn't be aesthetically pleasing. Before moving further, the question must now be asked: Does Aerith's altogether lack of presence on this chart indicate that there is nothing between she and Cloud at this point? Really, where do we stop assigning grand value to these meaningless interrelation charts that are simply a popular thing to include in books in Japan? Though on Advent Children's chart in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania we once again have Cloud and Tifa being identified only with "childhood friends," that identification really doesn't preclude them being anything else in addition. Only the arrow running from Cloud to Aerith actually says "sense of guilt," but we know Cloud has a sense of guilt in Advent Children where Zack is concerned as well. However, the line between the two on this chart only says "katsute no shinyuu" ("one-time best friends"/かつての親友). While on that topic, we certainly wouldn’t conclude that the only thing Cloud felt for Aerith was a “sense of guilt” on the basis of it being the only information available on that chart. To assume Cloud and Tifa could only be “childhood friends” on the basis of such a diagram is reasoning that would logically lead one to believe Cloud felt nothing about Aerith aside from the guilt. For that matter, the charts for the other games from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania don’t all openly identify eventual couples. The line running between Lulu and Wakka on FFX’s chart (pp. 326-327) identifies them as "osananajimi,” or "childhood friends” (幼なじみ), the same as Cloud and Tifa are always identified in these charts. Given that Wakka and Lulu married only half a year after FFX ended (this information comes from pg. 583 of the FFX-2: International+Last Mission Ultimania), “osananajimi” can hardly be considered indicative of people without romantic feelings for one another. Source scans (the first comes courtesy of Celes and Balthea of TheLifestream.net; concerning Wakka and Lulu’s nuptials, the relevant text says only “Half a year later”/半年後 and “Wakka and Lulu marry”/ワッカとル―ル―、結婚): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffx001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffxintpg583.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wakkalulumarried.png For the sake of full disclosure, however, FFX-2’s chart (pp. 372-373) does identify Wakka and Lulu as “husband and wife” (夫婦): (scan courtesy of espritduo) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 19gF9.jpeg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wakkalulu.jpg Further, Tidus and Yuna are identified as an “important existence/person” (“taisetsu na sonzai”; 大切な存在) to one another on FFX’s chart, this construction ? and other references to people beginning with “taisetsu na” (e.g. “taisetsu na hito”/ “important person”; 大切な人) ? generally being used in regard to romantic partners. FFX-2’s chart, meanwhile, identifies Tidus as someone Yuna is “hoping to meet again” (たいと願う): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tidusyuna.jpg Meanwhile, Final Fantasy IX's chart from the same book (pp. 272-273) links Steiner and Beatrix with "Rivals (later, favors)"/ ライバル (のちに好意), Freya and Fratley with "koibitos"/恋人 (see the rest of this article for more on this word), and Zidane and Dagger with the “important existence/person” identification: (scans again courtesy of Celes and Balthea of TheLifestream.net) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FFIXchart.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ix001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ freyafrat001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed /Steinetrix001.jpg Another chart with incomplete data, however, is that for FFIV, the first Final Fantasy to have a romantic couple together in its main cast. The chart there (pp. 80-81) only identifies Rosa and Cecil with "koui"/"favors" (?D?O), as was done with Celes and Locke, and then with Squall and Rinoa: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffiv001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ CecilKainRosa.jpg As Cecil and Rosa actually get married in FFIV's ending -- "koui" applied to them before the game even began -- this is incomplete data. Perhaps more telling than any of these is the chart from pp. 10-11 of the FFXII Scenario Ultimania. On this chart we find Vaan and Penelo described with “relationship just like family” (家族同然の仲), which arguably implies a sibling-like relationship: (photo courtesy of hitoshura) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ XIIchart1.png However, they are still a romantic coupling. While many fans did not take note of this fact prior to viewing the secret ending of FFXII's sequel, Revenant Wings, in which the two kiss as a heart appears above them, it is actually noted in the original FFXII as well, but is simply never a main fixture of the narrative. While completing the brief sidequest in Rabanastre involving the Wandering Viera who is seeking her soul mate, she will make the following comments at Yamoora's Gambits in Rabanastre's North End: "So, we have met again. Perhaps yours is the soul I have sought? Perhaps not. I sense that you may already be... spoken for." Screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wanderingviera1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wanderingviera2.jpg Their status as a couple during that time is further cemented by FFXII art director Isamu Kamikokuryou's comments about this Art Museum card illustration of Vaan and Penelo he drew for inclusion with the FFXII Potion Premium Boxes: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd148.jpg On pg. 602 of the FFXII Ultimania Omega, we find the following: ---- Vaan & Penelo (Art Museum card illustration) Kamikokuryou: Vaan and Penelo on a date in downtown Rabanastre, or maybe they're just walking around. For the Art Museum card illustrations included with the Potion Premium Boxes, we decided who would draw which characters by way of Rock, Paper, Scissors (laughs). Although I had gotten Balthier & Fran, I got Yoshida-san to switch with me. Since I wasn't used to drawing people, when I heard this idea, I said, "Are you serious?!" (laughs). ---- Source scan (courtesy of Fangu): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd149.jpg Japanese text: ---- ヴァン＆パンネロ （アートミュージアムカード用エラスト） 上国料　ラバナスタ・ダウンタウンで、ヴァンとパンネロがデートしているというか、 ふたりで歩いているところです。「ポーション」のプレミアムボックス（→P.632）に ついているアートミュージアムカードのイラストは、誰がどのキャラクターを 描くかをジャンケンで決めました（笑）。僕はバルフレア＆フランの担当に なったんですけど、吉田さんにチェンジしてもらったんです。ふだん人物を 全然描かないから、この企画を聞いたときは「マジでやるんですか！？」 という感じでしたね（笑）。 ---- If it’s as likely such a scene depicts the two on a date as just walking around town, that says everything we need to know. Along these same lines, the interrelation chart on pp. 12-13 of the FFXIII Ultimania Omega describes Vanille and Fang’s relationship as “relationship just like sisters” (姉妹同然の仲) despite their actual interactions suggesting a far more intimate relationship than this description alone would imply: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ character11.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ fanille.jpg Really, the character flowcharts offer us absolutely nothing of value as far as the LTD is concerned. To argue that any of the charts lacking a "koui," "suki" or "koibito" arrow running between Cloud and Tifa is a sign that there's no canon pairing applicable to them is to argue that Cid still treats Shera unkindly by the end of FFVII, that Cecil and Rosa didn't marry at the end of FFIV, and that the relationships between Zidane/Dagger and Tidus/Yuna are potentially ambiguous. In other words, such an argument is unfounded. The charts are not nearly a definitive word on the LTD. In any case, despite the flowcharts being a void counterargument to a canon Cloud and Tifa pairing, it has been argued that Cloud and Tifa being intimate on that one night isn't alone enough to indicate that they had begun a romantic relationship by the end of the original game. Fair enough. However, even on Disc 3 of the original game, short on content as it was, we still see emotional intimacy between Cloud and Tifa. First, after the Highwind has arrived in the Northern Crater, when the player speaks to Tifa, she says, "Hey, Cloud... Would you tell me 'It's all right'?" Though the player has the option to refuse her request, Tifa's entry in the FFVII Ultimania Omega (pg. 27) tells us what he actually does, as well as provides a commentary of the moment: ---- On Disc 3, Tifa hardens her resolve as they head toward the final battle, but she is unable to suppress her fear. On the bridge of the airship, she says to Cloud, "Would you tell me ?eIt's all right'?" Although Tifa is forlorn and somewhat childish here, when Cloud tells Tifa "It's all right," it is heartwarming. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heartwarming.jpg Japanese text: ---- 最後の戦りへの決意を固めたDISC 3でも、内心の恐怖を抑え切れない ティファ。飛空艇の操縦室でクラウドが話しかけると、「『だいじょうぶ』って 言って？」と頼んでくる。心細げだがどこか甘えたふうなティファと、 「だいじょうぶ」と答えたときのクラウドの様子が、微笑ましい。 ---- In addition to this moment on the bridge of the Highwind, if Cloud and Tifa accompany Red XIII during the sequence in which the party returns to Cosmo Canyon and Bugenhagen dies, afterward they will be sitting together at an intimate distance by the Cosmo Candle: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle0.jpg This also isn't Cloud and Tifa's default positions from the earlier scene on Disc 1 where the party was gathered around the fire either, so it was specifically animated such that Cloud and Tifa would be sitting together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle1.png As can be seen in the following screenshots, none of the other party members will be positioned nearly so close to Cloud as Tifa if they are the third party member: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle2.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle3.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle4.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cosmocandle6.jpg Official materials also emphasize Tifa being the one to accompany Cloud and Red XIII for this scenario, as she is the one waiting with Cloud in the FFVII Ultimania Omega's Story Playback section (pg. 203) and in Red XIII's personal timeline on pg. 58 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 60 of the Revised Edition): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ goodbyebugen.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ goodbyebugen2.jpg For the sake of argument, however, we'll pretend Disc 3 was devoid of this content and even that the book that put their relationship alongside the likes of Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna didn't do so. There are then a number of reasons for Cloud and Tifa to have had such an intimate moment at the end of Disc 2 without it necessarily reflecting the intention to begin an ongoing relationship, as they were possibly too focused on the battle ahead at that point to even weigh it in such a capacity anyway. Truly, it is only once the conflict has been settled that we see Cloud addressing how he wants to live afterward -- and that comes only in the newer Compilation materials. We'll get to that momentarily. Before that, a final counterargument related to the Highwind scene exists in the form of a line on pg. 189 (Revised Edition) of the Final Fantasy VII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide book. In the section describing the different scenes that can emerge as a result of Cloud's affection rating is a paragraph related to the Highwind scene: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ affectionrating2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ event3.jpg Here, a line says, "At this time, depending on Cloud's affection rating for Tifa, the 2 events involving 'dialogue exchanged between them from dusk to dawn' and 'Tifa's lines and reaction to learning that everyone may have seen (or heard) that situation' will be different." The same line has been translated by Chibica of the Cloud x Aerith forums as, "At that moment, according to Tifa's affectional rating for Cloud, the event of 'dialogues exchanged between them from dusk to dawn' and 'Tifa's reaction and lines when she found out that everyone might see (or hear) that circumstance' will be different." From this, some have taken the meaning that Cloud and Tifa talked from dusk until dawn -- the implication being that there was no sexual interaction between them. This, however, is a misreading of the line. The line refers not to an instance of Cloud and Tifa talking from dusk until dawn, but, rather, to the dialogue they happen to exchange between dusk and dawn. At dusk, they have a conversation where the lines are affected by Cloud's affection rating for Tifa. At dawn, they talk again and their lines are again affected by the rating. To better explain, if reading a newspaper article about a report on crime patterns, you wouldn't read a phrase like "this report is based on a study of crimes committed from August to December" to mean that the specific crimes analyzed began in August and lasted for four months. In other words, you wouldn't take it to mean a single mugging, burglary, etc. had lasted for four months. Such a phrase would refer to different instances of crime that occurred over that four-month period -- thus, "August to December." The same is true in the matter of Cloud and Tifa beneath the Highwind. What we're dealing with in "dialogue exchanged between them from dusk to dawn" doesn't indicate a conversation that lasted from dusk until dawn. Rather, it identifies instances of dialogue that occurred at dusk and at dawn. In addition, the line is speaking of the dialogue that occurs in *both* versions of the scene, not one or the other. We know from simply watching either the High Affection or Low Affection versions of the scene that Cloud and Tifa do not talk from dusk until dawn in either. In the Low Affection version, Cloud suggests the two go to sleep shortly after their conversation begins. And in both versions, Cloud awakens Tifa shortly before dawn, meaning there was no conversation between them throughout the entire night. That being the case, this counterargument also falls short -- especially given the declaration that Cloud and Tifa's expression of feelings to one another didn't involve words. In any case, as said before, even with the two having sex, some would argue that -- this being the night before they journeyed to face Sephiroth -- it was just two people in the throes of passion before they died. Not a declaration that they wanted a life with one another, but -- on Cloud's part anyway -- a giving and taking of comfort offered before the end. Alright, fair enough. However, an earlier line in the original game suggested that Cloud's childhood interest in Tifa had carried over to the present. During the Lifestream Sequence beneath Mideel on Disc 2, Tifa reveals to Cloud's subconscious that she had thought of him a lot after he left Nibelheim as a teenager, wondering how he was doing and whether he'd managed to get into SOLDIER. In response to this revelation, Cloud's subconscious says, "Thanks, Tifa. Tell him what you told me, later. He'll probably be so happy." In the Japanese script of the game, these lines were actually: "Thanks, Tifa. Later, tell him. He'll be delighted for sure!" ? 後で、こいつに言ってやって。 きっと喜ぶよ. The word "kitto" (きっと) was used in the Japanese script, meaning "for sure," "certainly" or "udoubtedly." As well, the sentence ended with "yo," adding the emphasis that an exclamation point would in English. For the record, “probably” in Japanese is “tabun” (たぶん). This suggests that -- even at this point -- Cloud would be happy to hear that Tifa had been interested in him when he was into her as a teenager. Given that Tifa had been Cloud's primary reason for wanting to join SOLDIER in the first place ("I thought if I got stronger I could get someone to notice........."), it's safe to say he was *very* into her back then. The Crisis Core Ultimania (pg. 24), in fact, says that Cloud had "started falling in love with her" -- "Before leaving for Midgar, Cloud declared ?eI'm going to become a SOLDIER' to Tifa, a village girl he had started falling in love with, and also promised to protect her." http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ honoka_zpsb439d3b8.jpg Japanese text: ---- ミッドガルに出てくる前にクラウドは、ほのかに想いを寄せていた村の少女 ティファに「ソルジャーになる」と宣言し、彼女を守ると約束した。 ---- The Japanese word I've translated as "started" here, by the way, was “honoka” (ほのか), meaning "to be seen dimly/faintly," as well as "subtle" or "indistinct." In the past, I have misunderstood this to say that Cloud had secretly fallen in love with Tifa, with the fact known only to himself. While that is true, I have since come to understand that the wording of the line itself refers more to a love that has just begun, “dim” or “weak” because of this nascent status. As for the phrase that I've translated as "falling in love with," that's "omoi wo yoseteita" (想いを寄せていた) ? a phrase meaning just that in Japanese. Despite Cloud's childhood feelings for Tifa, as well as the statement that even during the game's present he would have been happy to learn that she reciprocated them, one may argue that more present-day information than this and the Highwind scene is needed to arrive at a conclusion that Cloud is in love with Tifa during the present. Relevant to this, there are at least three Ultimania quotes that speak of the Lifestream sequence and say the feelings revealed then that Cloud had for Tifa when he was young are still the feelings he has for her in the present -- meaning that the statement made by Cloud's subconscious ("He'll be delighted for sure!") means exactly what it sounds like. Furthermore, two of these quotes also refer to Tifa's feelings for Cloud during that time. From playing the game, we all know the feelings they learned about were one another's mutual interest in the other. These quotes say they're still holding those feelings. The first of these comes from pg. 25 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, where the timeline from Tifa's profile discusses the Lifestream sequence from Disc 2: (translation by Quexinos) ---- Although Cloud has been holding favor for Tifa since earlier, Tifa's interest in him didn't begin until the time of exchanging their promise. That may have been due to the loneliness caused by her surrounding friends leaving one after another, but more than that, it seems largely due to the promise he made to become her hero. Incidentally, Tifa didn't realize he held favor for her until he informed her in the Lifestream. Even though she was called out for it to just be the two of them, she was clueless? ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ daiteita.png Japanese text: ---- クラウドが前からティファに好意を抱いていたのに対し、 ティファのほうは クラウドに関心がなく、約束を交わした時点から彼をしはじめる。周囲の 仲良しがつぎつぎと自分のそばから去ってしまった寂しさもあっただろうが、 それ以上に、 自分のヒーローになってくれると約束してくれたことが大きかった のだろう。 ちなみにティファは、 クラウドか自分に好意を抱いていたということに、 ライフストリームで告げられるまでまったく気づいていなかった。呼び 出されてふたりきりになっているのに、結鈍感？ ---- The second quote comes from pg. 42 (pg. 44 of the Revised Edition) of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania; once again in Tifa's profile: ---- She ventured into Lifestream together with Cloud. While verifying his memories, they became aware of the thoughts/feelings each other has been holding. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ daiteita2.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドとともにライフストリームのなかへ。彼と自分の記憶を 確かめていくうちに、互いが相手に抱いていた想いに気づく。 ---- The word "idaiteita" (抱いていた), used in both of these quotes, is the past progressive form of "idaku" (抱く) meaning "to hold" or "to possess." Rendered in the past progressive tense as it is here, it's telling us that the act of holding onto their feelings began in the past and has continued to the present. A third quote, this one from pg. 229 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide, also tells us that Cloud was still holding onto the feelings that led to him wanting to impress Tifa (featured beside a screenshot of his subconscious telling Tifa about how he wanted her to notice him): "Cloud reveals his feelings for Tifa in the mental world." Note that: "his feelings." Not "past feelings" or "feelings as a kid." Simply "his feelings." The feelings he has. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudsfeelings.png Japanese text: ---- ?精神世界でクラウドは、ティファへの想いを明かす。 ---- So, now one must ask: Why would these passages say these feelings are still there if they aren't? Answer: It wouldn't. The feelings are there. The point in the game at which Cloud and Tifa's feelings are brought up in the story is also relevant. Why would "past" romantic feelings be brought up so close to the end if they are now irrelevant? Why would it be revealed that Cloud specifically had romantic feelings for Tifa, and that these feelings had such a significant impact on the choices he made for his future (e.g. joining SOLDIER, hiding his face when he returned to Nibelheim, etc.)? Why would it be mentioned at all that Cloud and Tifa had ever had any romantic feelings for one another at this point in the story (its single greatest moment of revelation about the plot and characters) if there was no present-day actualization of these feelings? As TheLifestream.net forum member Master Bates put it: ---- I think if Cloud's feelings for Tifa no longer count during the LS sequence, then it would make no narrative sense for the creators to spend time on these "past emotions" for them to have no grounds in the present and future of the story. That is not the general nature of "flashbacks" in a narrative, and it would not fit with the context of the story, given Cloud's "nothing has changed" line. This is why it is my firm belief that the LS sequence is where C/T really starts, and it is in this sequence that the notion of Cloud being in love with Tifa is cemented. ---- On the same topic, Master Bates has also insightfully said: ---- On the subject of immersion, yes, I agree Cloud (among all FF protagonists, not that I played all FF games) is a very effective player proxy. When there still wasn't any Compilation, he was a great character to theorize. The fact that we lack insight on his thoughts gives more room for speculation, and I think it's interesting. But despite that, the illusion the player has of being Cloud, the illusion of controlling his emotions, was only limited on the first (and a half of the second) disc. Once the Lifestream event happens, we can no longer control his feelings -- that he loves, still loves, and has always loved Tifa. Even if you got the LA HW version, his romantic feelings for her were there. And, thus, the illusion of the player as the "hero" also ends, just as Cloud's illusion of being one has ended. ---- Even after all this, one may still demand (and has) more evidence that Cloud's feelings persist in FFVII's present day. Alright then. The most definitive statements of all are found in the pages of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2. There, on pg. 23, in the Memorial Words section of Tifa's profile in the book, we find the following: ---- "Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..." Prarie: The last night before the final battle, to Cloud when he finds himself at a loss for words For many years, Cloud and Tifa have been holding favor for one another. Facing the impending final battle with Sephiroth, they at last confirm together their feelings of desire for one another. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ specialnight1_zpsfdea7ea8.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「想いをつてえられるのは言葉だけじゃないよ……」 ??荒野：最終決戦前夜、ふたりきりとなって言葉に詰まるクラウドに 長年、互いに好意を抱いていたティファとクラウド。セフィロスとの 最終決戦を目前にようやく、相手を求める気持ちを確かめ合えた。 ---- ?Along with the reappearance of Tifa’s famous line from the High Affection version of the Highwind scene, attentive readers may notice the reappearance of "koui" (好意; "favors") here, the Japanese euphemism for “love” used on the character interrelation charts discussed above ? including this book’s own chart for FFVII ? to say that Aerith and Tifa have romantic feelings for Cloud. It's being used here to say that Cloud also feels that way about Tifa. There's also "idaiteita" (抱いていた; "have been holding") again, as well as "motomeru kimochi" (求める気持ちを; "feelings of desire"). Also note that none of this is predicated on the player achieving certain conditions in the course of play, nor is variability in the Highwind scene mentioned anywhere in this Ultimania's 321 pages. This is equally true with regard to the next notable official comment, this one from pg. 25, in the Memorial Scenes section of Tifa's profile. There, we find the following: ---- The Fateful Night the Two Share An event near the time of the final battle with Sephiroth, where Cloud and Tifa stay at the airship Highwind together. With this possibly being the end -- an evening overcome with a flood of feelings becomes something special. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ specialnight2_zps5ca29123.jpg Japanese text: ---- ふたりで過ごした運命の一夜 セフィロスとの決戦を間近にひかえ、クラウドとふたりきりで飛空艇 ハイウインドにとどまったティファ。これで最後かもしれない??万感の 想いがこまった一夜は特別なものに。 ---- It should require no great debate to determine that a "fateful night ... overcome with a flood of feelings" wouldn't fit the apathetic nature of the Low Affection Highwind scene. Unfortunately, even in the face of insurmountable proof of Cloud's feelings for Tifa, some would demand even more proof that Cloud's feelings for Tifa are something that continued after FFVII. Alright then. That's where the larger context of the newer Compilation materials comes into play. Speaking now to that wider context, the Ultimania quotes about the two communicating their feelings would seem to confirm that the affection Cloud and Tifa shared that night *was* an indication of wanting a life with one another rather than just a final moment of tenderness before death's icy hand reached out to claim them. For further indication of this, look at the comments Cloud makes to Tifa in On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa. Just days after the Highwind scene, at the time of the original game's ending, Cloud tells Tifa that he thinks he'll be able to start a new life because "I have you." When she says that he's always had her, he says "I mean from tomorrow on," while smiling -- the context clear that he means in a different way than before. Source scans (official English translation and Japanese): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cot1a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cot1b.jpg In fact, in the revised version of Case of Tifa, published at the time of Advent Children Complete's release, Cloud's line as he smiles after Tifa says "You've always had me" actually *is* "What I mean is kind of different," explicitly identifying that their relationship with one another has changed. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cot1c.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?「少し、意味がちがうんだ」クラウドは再び笑顔で答えた。 ---- And what might be different now? What may have changed the dynamic of their relationship just days before? They expressed romantic feelings for one another and were intimate. Here in Case of Tifa, Cloud was expressing that he wanted her with him not just as an ally in battle, but as a companion. Not long after that initial comment, Cloud tells Tifa that he'll be there to remind her how strong she is whenever she forgets, blushing as he says it. Source scans (official English translation and Japanese): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cot2a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cot2b.jpg The blushing points to that kind of nervousness one might expect from an awkward, bashful guy saying something romantic to his love interest. At the very least, the accompanying line shows that he planned to be with her indefinitely. Next, let's look at On the Way to a Smile: Case of Barret. Here, one of the very first lines of the story says that Barret helped Cloud and Tifa build *their* home. One they would be sharing together. Source scans (official English translation and Japanese): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cob1a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cob1b.jpg Note that the Japanese text is very specific about this being the home that belongs to Cloud and Tifa, at the exclusion of Barret or anyone else. What it says is “Tifa to Cloud no uchi” (ティファとクラウドの家).“To” (と) is used for “and” here, rather than “ya” (や), which also means “and” ? the difference between the two being that “to” is used in complete listings while “ya” is used for incomplete listings. In other words, had “ya” been used, ownership of the home (“uchi”; 家) would extend beyond Cloud and Tifa, with only the two of them being identified on this occasion. Since “to” was used, however, this means that ownership is solely Cloud and Tifa’s. Furthermore, so this is not misconstrued to be taken as Cloud’s temporary place of residence, rather than the place he saw as his home, be aware that “tokoro” (ところ) would have been used instead for that. This word means “place,” and refers to a location in space or time. Rather versatile in its usage, one might use this word when identifying a place they are staying temporarily (e.g. visiting at a friend's house for a few days) or when referring to their physical proximity on a specific spot they are occupying while waiting for a train to arrive. The word has other uses besides -- e.g. as the construction "tokoro de" (?A?±?e?A), it may refer to the location of some particular action at a given point in space or time, and is used in conjugations that give it the meaning of "by the way" or "incidentally" -- but the above examples are the most relevant for our purposes here. Take note of this word, as we will be seeing it again later in this article. Getting back to Case of Barret, later in the story, when Barret talks with Cid, the pilot asks, "So Cloud's with Tifa?" to which Barret responds in the affirmative. While one could interpret this to mean Cloud's with Tifa in the sense that he's just occupying the same living space, the fact that Cid just assumed they were with one another is quite telling on its own. Cid -- who wasn't even around Cloud and Tifa for long after FFVII's events -- knew Cloud and Tifa would still be together these many months later. Why might he have suspected they were now living together in the first place? Because he was one of the members of AVALANCHE who witnessed the results of Cloud and Tifa sharing their night under the Highwind, and then playfully teased them about it the next morning. Certainly something gave him an indication that they might have been moving toward a domestic partnership, and a night of romantic confessions should do the trick. Another line that points to the same thing comes from Cloud himself in Case of Tifa, where he apologizes to Tifa for doing things without consulting her after he tells her that he has been doing deliveries and spending the money he acquired from it on his motorcycle -- certainly not something he should have felt guilty about if they weren't in a relationship as described above. Platonic roommates don't have a need to feel guilty and apologize for how they spend their free time and money when they don't first gain permission to do so. That is what you expect of a couple living as a family. Speaking of Cloud and Tifa in the context of a family setting, a multitude of official statements -- as well as Barret and Marlene in Case of Tifa when the former leaves on his journey of atonement, and Cloud himself in Advent Children during his heavy conversation with Tifa -- refer to them as being in one. There are no less than six FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania references to Cloud, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel being a family, even at the exclusion of other members of AVALANCHE. What's more, Cloud and Tifa are presented as the mother and father of this family. Let us now review these many statements in the book, starting with Cloud's profile on pg. 38 (pg. 40 in the Revised Edition), where it says that he, Tifa and the children "lived together like a family": (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- Now running a delivery business while helping out Tifa with the newly opened ?eSeventh Heaven' bar, Cloud, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel lived together like a family. However, when Cloud contracts Geostigma he disappears. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family1.png Japanese text: ---- バー「セブンスヘブン」を開いたティファを手伝いつつ配逹業を営み、 彼女とマリン、デンゼルの4人で家族同然に暮らしていたものの、 星痕症候群を発症して失踪。 ---- The notion of “like a family” and the associated implications this should entail for Cloud and Tifa’s relationship is rather straightforward on its own, but the references hardly stop there. Next up, on pg. 39 (pg. 41 of the Revised Edition), we find this comment serving as the screenshot caption to an image of Cloud and Tifa during the Bahamut battle sequence in AC/ACC: (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- With the support of former allies and Tifa, an important woman to him and now also part of his family, Cloud regains the courage to move forward. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family2.jpg Japanese text: ---- いまや家族でもある大切な女性ティファや、かつての仲間からの声授を受け、 クラウドは前進する勇気を取りもどす。 ---- A brief aside before we continue: Attentive readers may notice the use of “taisetsu na josei”/”important woman” (大切な女性) here, and the recurrence of the “taisetsu na” construction. As mentioned previously, this type of construction is generally used for romantic relationships. While “important person”/”taisetsu na hito” (大切な人) may have more than one application (e.g. lover, family member, very close friend), a description as “taisetsu na josei” to someone will certainly be intended to indicate a romantic connection ? especially given the context of the rest of the sentence, in which Tifa having a role in Cloud’s family is the focus. With this specific line from the 10th Anniversary Ultimania, we likely have another case where you wouldn't find a native Japanese speaker who would read it as anything but a romantic association. Tifa's role as "taisetsu na josei" to Cloud is brought up in relation to her role as the mother of the children in the family -- a family she is said to have formed with Cloud. If Tifa were not meant to be seen in a romantic light with regard to Cloud, this would be an altogether counterintuitive sentence construction. Basically, no writer would write it that way -- nor have cause to mention these ideas in relation to one another -- if they didn't mean it this way. Given that in the writing of the original game, care was taken to include dialogue to specify that Cid and Shera weren't married (Cloud asks "How 'bout your wife? How 'bout Shera?"; Cid responds "Wife? Don't make me laugh! Just thinkin' 'bout marryin' her gives me the chills") since a romantic relationship is the natural assumption to make when an unrelated man and woman live together, it would be absurdly counterintuitive to now create so much indication that Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship without clarifying otherwise in the event it were not intended. Moving forward, on pg. 44 (pg. 46 of the Revised Edition), now looking at Tifa's profile, we find this: ---- I want to see Cloud -- Marlene's honest words, which reflected what Tifa felt in her own heart, caused her to smile. The present Tifa isn't just Cloud's childhood friend, but also the mother of the 'family' they were forming in Edge. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family3.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドに会いたい――自分の心を代弁するようなマリンの素直に、 思わずほほえむ。いまのティファはクラウドの幼なじみであるだけでなく、 エッジに笨いだ"家族"の母でもあるのだ。 ---- In Marlene’s profile on pg. 95 (pg. 97 of the Revised Edition), we find this: ---- After Meteorfall, the foursome of herself, Cloud, Tifa and Denzel live together. She sees that the ‘family’ seems to be getting disconnected, and for this reason concerns herself with mediating everyone’s relationships. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family5.png Japanese text: ---- メテオ災害のあとは、クラウドとティファ、それにデンゼルの4人で生活。 "家族"がバラバラになりそうなのを見かねて、みんなの仲を取り持とうと 心をくだく。 ---- Next, in Denzel's profile on pg. 99 (pg. 101 of the Revised Edition): ---- Though he has only been living with them a short while, he admires Cloud and Tifa like parents and has strong bonds with them. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family6.jpg Japanese text: ---- 一緒に暮らしている期間はまだ短いが、クラウドとティファを両親の ように慕っており、彼らとの絆は強い。 ---- While on the topic of Denzel's parents, it's worth observing that their designs in Advent Children Complete and the Episode: Denzel OVA released with it bear striking resemblances to Cloud and Tifa -- a young, blonde-haired man and a young brunette woman. Though Tifa's hair is longer than Denzel's mother's, it's still in the same style. Observe: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ denzelsparents.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudandtifainacc.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudinacc.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifainacc.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ denzelsparents2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ denzelsparents3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifainepisodedenzel.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudinepisodedenzel.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudinepisodedenzel2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ denzelsparents4.jpg A direct parallel is also drawn between Denzel's two mothers in that, during Episode: Denzel, the camera focuses a shot on his biological mother's hand holding his own just before she releases it and walks away -- this being the last occasion Denzel would ever see her. In Advent Children Complete, a similar shot is constructed of Tifa holding Denzel's hand and pulling him along with her. This latter shot takes place immediately after Denzel experiences a flashback to his parents' deaths. The visual message being conveyed here could not be more obvious: Tifa is Denzel's new mother, and she's sticking with him. She and Cloud are his parents now. Compare: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifaparallel.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ moreobvious.jpg Such parallels don't end here, however. In FINAL FANTASY VII Lateral Biography TURKS -The Kids Are Alright-, an official FFVII novel set mainly between the events of the original game and Advent Children, the main characters are another young blonde man and brunette gal -- both of whom, yet again, bear a resemblance to Cloud and Tifa. Named Evan and Kyrie, by story's end, the two are romantically involved and also find themselves raising a young, orphaned boy afflicted with Geostigma. Sound familiar? It should, being that it's an identical scenario to that which Tifa and Cloud find themselves. What's more, the two families briefly meet outside Aerith's church immediately following the events of Advent Children, where Cloud himself draws an equivocation between the two families -- and with full knowledge of the romantic relationship between Evan and Kyrie when he does so. Here follows my translation of that portion from near the end of the novel, on pp. 345-346 (note that Evan is narrating this segment): ---- "This is Kyrie," Vits introduced. "She's Evan's girlfriend." "Not exactly," Kyrie denied cheerfully. I looked at her, unsure of her meaning. Suddenly, she turned toward Cloud -- "We are already family. Even though we don't share blood, we are family." "Cloud, let's go home!" A child's voice called out to Cloud. It belonged to a sandy-haired boy. He seemed to be about the same age as Vits. "Ah, you're Denzel!" I realized. "We spoke on the phone once, but -- you don't remember that, do you?" "-- No. I'm sorry." Denzel then shyly hid behind Cloud. "Ohh, the detectives! Evan-san and Kyrie-san!" The voice of a young girl this time. It was Marlene. It was amusing to see her outside of the bar, since she's just a kid then. "Good afternoon." Tifa appeared next. "Oh, thanks." I began to feel embarrassed for some reason, and stumbled over my words; Kyrie pulled close to me. Tifa gave me a teasing look. "I would like to catch up. You should come to the bar." Kyrie and I both formed a smile at the suggestion. "Oh, but today's no good," Marlene interjected. "It's reserved. Marlene's father called every drop in the bar." Marlene's father? I must have gotten a strange look on my face. Cloud, who had been quiet throughout all this, suddenly opened his mouth. "Even though we don't share blood, we are family. The same as you." "Well, see you later," Marlene said, announcing her farewell and exhibiting child-like impatience as she pulled Cloud away by the hand. Cloud told us bye with his eyes and turned to be led away by Marlene. "Today is special. Even Vincent is coming," Marlene was telling Cloud. He responded to that with surprise. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/tkaa1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/tkaa2.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?「こっちはキリエ」と、ビッツが紹介する。「エヴァンのカノジョなんだ」 「違いまーす」キリエが楽しそうに否定した。おれは真意がわからず、 キリエを見る。するとクラウドに向かって-- 「わたしたち、もう家族なの。血は繋がっていないけど家族」 「クラウド、帰ろう！」 子供の声がクラウドを呼んだ。金髪の少年だ。歳はビッツと 同じくらいだろう。 「ああ、きみは、デンゼルだな！」確信があった。「電話で話したこと あるんだけど ? そんなの、覚えてないか」 「 ? うん。ごめんなさい」 人見知りなのか、デンゼルはクラウドの後ろに隠れてしまう。 「あっ、探偵の人たち！エヴァンさんとキリエさん」 次は女の子の声。マリンだった。店の外で見るマリンは、まるっきりただの 子供で、それがおかしかった。 「こんにちは」 続いてティファが現れた。 「ああ、どもう」 なんとなく、気恥ずかしさを感じながら、口ごもると、キリエがおれにぴたりと くっついてくる。ティファが冷やかす ような目でおれを見た。 「いろいろ聞きたいな。また店に来てね」 おれとキリエのふたりバランス良く笑顔を配分して、言った。 「あ、でもね、今日はダメなの」マリンが口を挟む。 「貸し切りなんだ。マリンの父ちゃんが店のお洒全部飲んじゃうって」 マリンの父ちゃん?おれは不思議そうな顔をしたのだろう。ずっと默っていた クラウドが口を開く。 「血は繋がっていないけど、家族。そうっちと同じだ」 の手を引っ張った。クラウドは おれたちにじゃあなと目で語りかけると、マリンに身を任せ、背を向けた。 「今日は特別なんだよ。なんと、ヴィンセントも来るんだって」マリンがクラウド に報告する。クラウドが、それは驚きだな、と応えるのが聞こえた。 ---- Here, by the way, is the official artwork of Evan and Kyrie, as seen on the front and back of the novel's dust jacket, and within the book: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ evan1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ evan2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kyrie1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kyrie2.jpg Here also are the book's illustrations of Cloud and Tifa, as seen on the back cover, along with another picture of Cloud by the same artist, Shou Tajima, from the November 2005 issue of Shounen Gangan, a Square Enix-owned manga publication that ran a series of fanarts by professional artists in the fall of that year: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tkaacandt.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tajimacloud.jpg The resemblances are striking. Sources for Shounen Gangan issue: http://daeya.org/forums/archive/index.php?t-1590.html&s= 9e2c3a2659fda1da2e0a8dbfc1dc9b71 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ shonengangan112005.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20051215213002/http://gangan.square-enix.co.jp/lineu p/backnumber/200510121.html Note in the last two sources (the cover of the issue, and the old listing for it from the Shounen Gangan website) the following Japanese text: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ shonengangan112005text.jpg FFVIIACイラストギャラリー 田島昭宇、岡崎武士 This is: "FFVIIAC Illustration Gallery Shou Tajima, Takashi Okazaki" The cover of the October issue from the same year mentions other Advent Children illustrations by more artists: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ shonengangan102005.jpg Getting back to the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, we finally arrive at this passage on pg. 131 (pg. 133 of the Revised Edition), from the book's story recap of Advent Children: (translation by hitoshura) ---- The place where he awakens -- That is Cloud's Promised Land As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices. The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: he doesn't belong here yet. When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma -- his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realises where he is meant to live. He realises that he was able to forgive himself. And when he turns around -- "she" is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness ... And so they too go back to where they belong. Back to the current of life flowing around the planet -- ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family7.jpg Japanese text: ---- 覚醒を迎える場所-- それはクラウドの約朿の地 眠るクラウドは、声を聞く。彼の大切、もういなくなってしまったふたりの声。 彼らは楽しげに、いたわるようにクラウドに告げる。ここはまだ、彼の 居場所ではないのだと。 目覚めると、そこには仲間だいた。死の病から解き放たれた 子どもたちがいた。ティファとマリンと、彼の手で星痕を治してもらおうと 願うデンゼルが――家族が待っていた。祝福に包まれ、彼は生きるべき 場所を知る。自分を許すことができたのだと知る。 そして、振り向くと――"彼女"が立ち去ろうとしている。クラウドに 命をくれた友とともに。もうクラウドは、孤独に苦しまずにすむ……だから 彼らも、還るべきところへ。 星をめぐる生命の流れのなかへ――。 ---- The picture of the family that is being painted here is quite clear. Cloud is the father figure. Tifa is the mother figure. The brush strokes don't nearly end here either. There is also, for example, the observation in Case of Tifa that Cloud looked like a young father with his children when hanging out with Denzel and Marlene: (Official English translation) ---- She even started to worry: Why does he talk to Cloud and not to me? One day, she asked the older bar regulars what they thought. Their answer? Boys will be boys. Nothing to worry about, you couldn't be a more normal family. Tifa didn't buy that answer, but the words "normal family" relieved her. Seated at the table after hours, you might have said Cloud, Marlene, and Denzel resembled a slightly young father and his kids. Whenever she felt like it, Tifa could have sat at the table, too, and been greeted by smiles. ---- Source scans (official English translation and Japanese): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ youngfather1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ youngfather2.jpg Japanese text: ---- どうしてクラウドには、話して、わたしには話さないのかと悩みさえした。 ある日、年配の常連客にその話をして、どう思うかと聞いてみた。答えは、 男の子はそんなもんだようというものだった。何の問題もない、普通の 家族じゃないか、と。その答えに納得したわけではなかったが、普通の 家族という言葉にティファは安堵した。閉店後のテーブルに陣取った三人 は、少し者い父親と子供たちと言ってもおかしくなかった。自分もその 気になれば、いつでもそのテーブルに笑顔で迎えてもらえる。 ---- Next to be considered is Tifa's profile in the April 2009 issue of Dengeki PlayStation 3 (issue #445; pg. 15) -- an issue with multiple interviews by Advent Children Complete's staff, as well as some exclusive information provided by them -- that identified Tifa as serving the role of the children's mother: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Unlike Cloud, who is dragging on the past and unable to move forward, Tifa has the strength to accept reality and try to move forward. Perhaps acting as the mother for the two children has given her further strength." ---- Translation source: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/2850/tifa-lockhart-ffvii- advent-children-complete-profile-from-dengeki-ps3/ Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifadengeki2_zps5b2f5d7c.jpg Japanese text: ---- 過去を引きずり前へと進むことができないクラウドとは異なり、しっかりと 現実を受け止め、前へ進もうとする強さを持つティファ。2人の子どもの 母親役をこなしてきたことが、彼女をさらに強くしたのだろうか。 ---- Most definitive of all on this subject, however, is the following interview with Kazushige Nojima. Around the time of Advent Children Complete's release, an interview was posted on Square Enix's website in which he made the following comments about the Case of Tifa installment of On the Way to a Smile when asked, "What of Case of Tifa and Case of Barret? They're about Tifa, Barret and Cloud as well, but it could be said that their actual meaning is as tales of atonement": ---- "Case of Tifa ... first, there's the premise that things aren't going well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma and Sephiroth, it would still be the same. I don't mean to get into my views on romantic love, marriage and family. (laughs) After ACC, maybe Denzel and Marlene can get them to. Perhaps things would have gone well with Aerith, but Aerith's responsibility is big, I think. Oh, I remember. I also wanted to write about Cloud through Tifa. It certainly can be difficult to ascertain his feelings. (laughs)" ---- Also, here's an additional translation of the more important bit of Nojima's comment, as translated by hitoshura: ---- "'Episode Tifa' ... first off, there's the premise that things won't go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don't really intend to go on about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith." ---- Source screenshots, et. al.: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108081145/http://www.square-enix.co.jp/magazine /gamebooks/ff/7novel/2p.html http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Nojima.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Nojima2.png Japanese text: ---- 「ティファ編」「バレット編」はいかがでしょう？　ティファ、バレットそして クラウドもですが、まさに贖罪の物語という意味がありそうですが。 「ティファ編」は……そもそも、ティファとクラウドはうまく行かないん じゃないかという前提がありまして、これは星痕やらセフィロスが 無くても同じではないか、と。僕の恋愛観とか結婚観、家族観に ついて語るつもりはありませんが(笑)。ACCの後、デンゼルとマリンが なんとかしてくれればいいですけど。エアリスとだったらうまく行ったか もしれませんが、エアリスの負担が大きいだろうなとも思います。ああ、 思い出しました。ティファを通じてクラウドという人を書きたかった というのがありました。ただやっぱり彼はなかなか本心を 見せてくれませんね(笑)。 ---- Here, we have Nojima discussing Cloud and Tifa's relationship, and he talks about it in the context of the two as a couple. Not a platonic couple, but a romantic couple. He speaks of them in the context of love, marriage and family. Love and family are certainly a big focus of Case of Tifa, particularly where the eponymous character and Cloud are concerned. Though Tifa decides at a point during the course of the story to stop worrying about things between she and Cloud, she hardly succeeds. Also, Nojima reveals with this quote that their relationship -- though dysfunctional at times, still one written in the context of love and family -- was the very premise of the story. Certainly, there would be no reason for Nojima to mention these things -- love, marriage and family -- here if he wasn't saying his views on those matters had informed his writing of their situation. Furthermore, he's clearly not speaking of a romantic relationship between them in a hypothetical sense with his first line if there's not already something the two needed to work through. His line about Denzel and Marlene -- addressing the subject of the first line -- speaks of the time following ACC, so there must be something *for* the kids to help them work through. Nojima keeps coming back to this topic of love and family with Cloud and Tifa, both in the interview -- again, his very next line is about how Denzel and Marlene may provide Cloud and Tifa an angle to work through their problems, while the lines after that discuss Aerith in the same context as Tifa -- and in his writing of FFVII-related material in general. Unavoidably, Nojima's own experiences with and views of love, marriage and family influenced his writing of Case of Tifa before it was initially released -- and likely did so again when he worked on the revised version. As well, the theme of family is prevalent in Advent Children/Advent Children Complete, which picks up right after Case of Tifa and resolves many of the personal crises Cloud was going through during that story. Were Nojima thinking of Cloud and Tifa as merely platonic friends in an arrangement of cohabitation, his comments about love and family would explain nothing of what he'd actually written. Particularly in light of the suggestion that Denzel and Marlene's presence in the family may be able to help Cloud and Tifa "work it out" -- described the way one might discuss trying to make a problematic relationship successful. As said above, Nojima then continues the same line of thought -- love, marriage and family -- a moment later when he discusses Aerith and her compatibility with Cloud. Though he posits that things may have gone better with her than with Tifa, he also suggests that even this relationship may have been troubled due to the great responsibility Aerith had as the last Cetra. Of greater significance, however, his choice of words here identify Aerith as a former potential romantic interest for Cloud -- "*Perhaps* things would have gone well with Aerith ...." He speaks of her in a relationship with Cloud as a hypothetical matter that did not come to pass. Tifa, however, is treated as though she is a *current* romantic interest for Cloud. Nojima speaks of her being in a relationship with him as a matter that *has* come to pass. While it can certainly be argued that Nojima's comments don't offer a promise that Cloud and Tifa will stay together, that's really not important to the matter of the LTD. The Love Triangle Debate was never about who Cloud would be more likely to have a fairytale romance with. It was about establishing who Cloud had an interest in *being* in a romance of any kind with, even one where there is communication issues. These comments from Nojima make it clear that Cloud has such an interest in Tifa, and has acted upon that interest. Sure, it's not presented as uplifting or with the sweeping sense of captivation that some scenes in Final Fantasy VIII were with Squall and Rinoa, but there's more than one angle to present a romantic relationship from, and a realistic angle where a couple is faced with problems of their own making is one of them. For that matter, relationships often go through stages anyway. After two years, Tifa and Cloud can't really be expected to still be in a phase where their hearts go pitter-patter. All couples have problems. Even the ones that couldn't imagine life without one another. That's the unavoidable reality of sharing your life with another person who has their own feelings, thoughts and history that influence their behavior and mood. As Dr. Cox from "Scrubs" has put far better than I ever could in the Season 1 episode, "My Bed, Banter and Beyond": ---- Relationships don't work the way they do on television and in the movies: Will they, won't they, and then they finally do and they're happy forever -- gimme a break. Nine out of ten of them end because they weren't right for each other to begin with, and half the ones that get married get divorced anyway. And I'm telling you right now, through all this stuff, I have not become a cynic, I haven't. Yes, I do happen to believe that love is mainly about pushing chocolate-covered candies and, you know, in some cultures, a chicken. You can call me a sucker, I don't care, 'cause I do ... believe in it. Bottom line ... is the couples that are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is, they don't let it take 'em down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time, if it's right and they're real lucky. One of them will say something. ---- Though such a troubled and realistic relationship differs significantly from most portrayed in Final Fantasy, they're rarely portrayed beyond the stirrings of the initial feelings. Squall and Rinoa, Tidus and Yuna, Zidane and Garnet -- these couples were just getting to know one another during their adventures. We never saw the trials and tribulations they may have gone through later. Nor did we see them in the context of ordinary life, trying to run two businesses and trying to raise two children (one with a fatal illness) while one of the parents worked strange hours that also kept him away from home often. For there to be no strain on such a relationship is impossible. I'd argue as well that a romance coming out of Final Fantasy VII couldn't be anything but a difficult one. It fits the tone of FFVII perfectly, with its harsh and unforgiving setting, as well as its tendency to be the world in which its developers explore their thoughts on how hard real life is. This has been the case since the original Final Fantasy VII was developed, whether it be Yoshinori Kitase's wish for Aerith's sudden death -- with no resurrection to follow -- to portray "feelings of reality and not Hollywood" (Edge magazine issue #123, pp. 112-113), or Nomura's own desire to say "something realistic" with the same. As he put it, "something different" from the "perennial cliche" of dramatic death and sacrificial love that he was concerned set a bad example for people in the real world (ibid., pg. 112). Source photos, et. al.: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108083939/ http://www.edge-online.com/features/making-final-fantasy-vii/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ edgemay2003pg112.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ edgemay2003pg113.jpg As well, FFVII was the first of many Final Fantasy titles to explore Hironobu Sakaguchi's ideas about what comes after death -- thoughts he has said were influenced by the loss of his mother (PlayStation Underground #2, 1997; SquareSoft Collector's Video VHS tape; The Making of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, pg. 4). Source photos, et. al.: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108084134/ http://www.ff7citadel.com/press/int_sakaguchi.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9g0O56mV54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBmSKJSHtw http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ makingofspiritswithin.jpg Now, the world of FFVII has become the place where Nojima has explored his feelings about love, marriage and family -- and he has done this through Cloud and Tifa. Case of Tifa, and -- to a large extent -- Advent Children as well are domestic dramas, exploring the difficulties of normal life. Despite being extraordinary people, Cloud and Tifa must face ordinary problems. Cloud's issues with himself and communicating with his family are the core of these stories. That the interaction between he and Tifa in the film was deemed important enough to warrant their voice actors recording their sessions together for the conversations Cloud and Tifa share says a lot on its own. Cloud's Japanese voice actor, Takahiro Sakurai, made mention of this on pg. 16 of the Reunion Files: "I did most of my recording alone, but a few times, I was able to record with Ayumi Ito, who did Tifa's voice." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudtifarecord.jpg Japanese text: ---- 収録はほとんど1人でしたが、ティファ役の伊藤歩さんとは何回か一緒 にアフレコしました。 ---- In line with this is a comment from Kazushige Nojima on pg. 70 of the Reunion Files, where he says this about conceptualizing the story of Advent Children: "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be back home where they belonged." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wheretheybelonged.jpg Japanese text: ---- 僕の中では、とりあえずクラウドとティファは一緒にいるんだろうな、 と思ってました。とにかくみんな帰って暮らしてる。 ---- Now, I suppose one can argue -- as with Cid's question from Case of Barret -- that this is just another way of saying that they would be living in the same house. Given the wider context of the Compilation that we've been examining, however, that plainly does not fit. This is especially true if we look at another comment from Nojima in the Reunion Files, this time on pg. 20. There, we find him say, "Although there's a lot to Tifa's character, she's actually very much like any other woman who's been left behind by a man." There is no other connotation for a "woman who's been left behind by a man" than one who was left behind by her romantic partner. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifascharacter.jpg Japanese text: ---- 設定上いろいろいろありますが、ティファはわいと普通の、男の人に 去られた女の人なんですよ。 ---- A final consideration to be drawn from the Reunion Files, this time on pg. 19 is a comment about Tifa from Tetsuya Nomura ? a comment clearly showing that whatever opinion, or lack thereof, he may have once had about her relationship with Cloud cemented into a solid understanding. As assured early in this article, it is plain to see from this comment on that Nomura also has a definite view of the romantic side of these characters' relationship to one another: ---- There are many dimensions to Tifa's character. She's like a mother, a sweetheart, and a close ally in battle. ---- A more accurate translation than that printed in English in the book would be, "Various positions come together in Tifa. She's also like a mother, is also a koibito, and has been a close ally in battle." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifa-1.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティファはいろんな立場をあわせもっているんですね。母のようでもあり、 恋人でもあり、一緒に戦ってきた戦友でもある ---- And for those interested, here is the line as rendered in Japanese romaji: "Tifa wa ironna tachiba wo awase motte irun desu ne. Haha no you demo ari, koibito demo ari, isshou ni tatakatte kita senyuu demo aru." Of greatest significance here is the word "koibito" (恋人) -- a Japanese word usually meaning "lover," "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" depending on the context. When examined as its separate components, "koi" and "hito"/"bito," one sees that the literal meaning is "loved person." Given the purely romantic/sexual connotations of "koi," it might be better read as "desired person." What's important to understand about the word is that it reflects the feelings of one person toward another. In other words, this sentence says that one of Tifa's roles is that of one loved/desired by another. Furthermore, while the antiquated understanding of the word -- the technical meaning, one might say -- is that this only confirms a one-sided love, as it is used today, the word carries a connotation of mutuality. Essentially, it is identical in meaning and usage to the English "beloved." While the counterargument has been made that this sentence refers to Tifa's personality traits rather than her actual realized roles in life due to the "like a" portion in the official translation, it must be understood that the Japanese line here ("Haha no you demo ari, koibito demo ari, isshou ni tatakatte kita senyuu demo aru") contains separate thought endings for each noun Tifa is identified as. The presence of "demo ari" (でもあり) -- meaning "is also" -- indicates the end to a complete thought, so Tifa is only described with "like a" ("no you"; のよう) for "like a mother." For that matter, what kind of sense would it make for Tifa to be *like* an ally in battle? How does one even do that? She's not "like" an ally in battle -- she *is* one. Furthermore, the word "tachiba" (立場) in the first line means "position," "situation," "standpoint" or "stance." It does not refer to a personality trait; it refers to an actualized, concrete position in life. Besides, Nomura comments on Tifa's personality on another page in the Reunion Files, as we will see later in this article. So, that leaves us then to identify who she's like a mother to, who she *is* a close ally in battle to, and *is* a lover/girlfriend/desired person to. We know she's like a mother to Marlene and Denzel, and is a close ally in battle to the rest of AVALANCHE. That leaves her to be a koibito to someone. Who else could it be but Cloud? Though there have been additional counterarguments suggesting this might be Johnny since he's still around in On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel and still has a one-sided romantic interest in her, it seems a rather insignificant matter in the large scheme of things. Johnny's completely irrelevant to Advent Children and mentioned nowhere in the Reunion Files. His enduring crush on her is hardly worth mentioning alongside the children she's actually raising and the teammates she's actually in life-and-death battles with. Likewise, Rude's crush on Tifa from Final Fantasy VII isn't mentioned in either the Reunion Files or Advent Children itself, so it seems unlikely to be referring to him either. At any rate, it isn't significant enough to warrant inclusion alongside Tifa's role as a mother figure and her role as an ally in combat. Cloud's feelings for Tifa *are* of significance to Advent Children, and are the only ones that would matter to be brought up in the Reunion Files -- which, of course, is about Advent Children. Providing further context are hitoshura's thoughts on the "koibito" matter: ---- "Languages change" is something that gets brought out when this word comes up, which I don't disagree with. Because I can't understand some of the things kids say in English nowadays. But Nomura isn't some 17-year-old school girl. He's a man in his 30s. I think he's more likely to use it in the "old-fashioned" way from when he was growing up than what the kids are saying nowadays. Which seems to point towards to the traditional meaning. ... I'm being quoted, so I want to say a bit about it. I don't know if I said something wrong in the past or wasn't clear, but I don't take "one-sided" to be a standard meaning to it. Apparently the Koujien (Oxford/Webster's of Japan) mentions that meaning, but I haven't checked it myself and don't have a spare 8,000-10,000 yen to buy a copy right now. But the meaning that it is used for in the present day is a mutual love. Which is why I said that no one but Cloud makes sense. When did Tifa ever show any interest in Johnny? When did she show *anything* for Rude? Yeah, they've both expressed interest, but it was one-sided. Can you seriously, in all honesty, point at someone other than Cloud and say that Tifa has shown any interest at any point in time? Sure, you can say someone is your "koibito" without it being true/mutual -- I can say Mako is my koibito even if he doesn't agree. I can call President Obama the antichrist at the top of my voice from the top of the White House; it doesn't mean he is. That's my point about the one-sidedness of it. You can say whatever the hell you like, and even if you were in a relationship, you can see differently from the other person. But "koibito" implies that both people are feeling the same thing. To people on the outside, they're going to see it and think that you both love each other. The whole idea that it doesn't mention a name so it doesn't count is silly because it implies that there's another specific person by the use of the word. ---- It is this comment from Nomura more than any other, by the way, that negates his possible earlier comment in Dorimaga that he may not have had "any clue" whether there had been a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa following the events of FFVII. For that matter, the notion that Cloud didn't reciprocate the romantic feelings we all know Tifa had for him runs counter to a comprehensive analysis of all available data on the matter. While one might argue that the official English translation should always be deferred to because of its official status, when it's demonstrably inaccurate or proven to be lacking in information, why would one not accept the corrected translation? Official translations can and often do contain errors or omissions. Though -- as hitoshura, himself a veteran Japanese-to-English translator, has acknowledged -- "if you're confronted with multiple versions of the same thing, it's easy to want to go to with the official one since it's got the prestige of being official," this is no way a guarantee of accuracy. Particularly when proof can be provided that details are lacking. There are a number of other such occasions involving Final Fantasy in recent years. For example, as hitoshura has also noted: ---- Replaying FFXIII got me thinking about this. Because in the English game you have the “War of Transgression,” which in Japanese is 黙示戦争 (Mokushi Sensou). Which are two completely different things. The two definitions of “mokushi” are: １ 暗黙のうちに意思や考えを表すこと。 To tacitly reveal one's thoughts or intentions. ２ 隠された真理を示すこと。特に、キリスト教で、神が人意を越えた真理や神意などを 示すこと。啓示。 To show a hidden truth. Particularly, in Christianity, for God to show a truth beyond human understanding or His will. Divine revelation. Neither of which have anything to do with transgressions. The game itself explains the name “Mokushi Sensou” as coming from the fact that the people were not told the details of the war by those in power. To me, that kind of changes the focus of the naming from the details and facts of it being kept in mystery (mokushi) to simply an evil outside force encroaching on your territory (transgression). But is “Transgression” more right just because that's what they went with in English? ---- To further demonstrate his point, the Book of Revelation from the Christian Bible is known as 黙示録 (“Mokushi Roku”) in Japanese. The War of Transgression should really have been called the War of Revelation ? which would have tied into the symbolism of Ragnarok (the apocalypse of Norse mythology) in the story a lot more closely. For another example, in the official translation of Sage Knowledge entry 07: The Light of Kiltia from Final Fantasy XII’s Clan Primer, it’s said that “Several years after Kiltia's founding, Saint Ajora began a new teaching, claiming that Faram alone was the one true god, the popularity of this new sect further lessening the power of the Light.” The “Several years after Kiltia’s founding” portion is a mistranslation. The Japanese clause is これより数十年後 ? “several decades after this”; “this” being the events of FFXII. The difference between these translations is the span of some 2,000 years, and makes all the difference in whether Final Fantasy Tactics or Final Fantasy XII took place first in that world’s timeline, as the backstory of Tactics states that Ajora lived some 1,200 years before that game’s events. Based on this *official* mistranslation, one would get the impression that Tactics took place first, with FFXII following approximately 800 years later. In actuality, the official timeline has it that XII came first, as seen in this scan from pg. 146 of the FFXII Ultimania Omega: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IvalicetimelinefromUO.jpg Note the orange-shaded box in the top row, representing FFXII's events in the timeline, while the blue-shaded box in the bottom row represents Tactics' spot. For your added assurance, here is a translation of the text in those boxes, along with the Japanese text presented more clearly: ---- (Orange-shaded box) "Before Year 706 of the Valendia Calendar Vaan and co.'s adventure (FFXII's story)" (Blue-shaded box) "Ivalice's Middle Ages War of the Lions breaks out (FFT's story)" ---- Japanese text: ---- 前バレンディア暦706年 ヴァンたちの冒険 (「FFXII」ゲーム本編) イヴァリース中世 獅子戦争勃発 (「FFT」ゲーム本編) ---- For the reader's further edification, here is the complete official English translation of the Light of Kiltia entry from FFXII, as well as the complete entry in the original Japanese text: ---- Religion begun by the prophet Kiltia over two millennia ago. The religion of the Ordalian peoples is a dualistic system -- a polytheistic pantheon with a God of Light, Faram the Father, at its head. After embarking on a pilgrimage to proselytize and deliver the word of the vision he had seen to the people, Kiltia came to Mt Bur-Omisace, and from there his teachings spread. The Light of Kiltia, as his teachings were called, continued even after his death, until they covered all of Ivalice. Though the followers and churches of Kiltia are spread far and wide, they do not interfere in affairs of state or governance. Though at one point the church held considerable influence, they willingly discarded that power, fearing oppression. Ever since, church officials with the rank of celebrant or higher have been forbidden from participating in statecraft. In addition, Mt Bur-Omisace maintains a mutual non-incursion policy with the surrounding territories. Several years after Kiltia's founding, Saint Ajora began a new teaching, claiming that Faram alone was the one true god, the popularity of this new sect further lessening the power of the Light. ---- ---- キルティア教 今から2000年ほど前に予言者キルティアによって始められた宗教。 オーダリア各地の民族宗教を二元論で体系化している。 光の神・善神ファーラムを主神とする多神教で多くの神が存在する。 開祖キルティアは布教の旅を続けた後にブルオミシェイスへ身をよせ、 教えを広めていく。 それはキルティアの死後も失われることなく、イヴァリース全土へ浸透する。 各方面に多大な影響力を持つキルティア教会だが、政治へ介入することはない。 一時は政治的権力を持ったキルティア教会だったが、弾圧を恐れてこれを放棄。 以後、司祭以上の役を持つ者の政治介入を禁じ、 また各地の為政者とは互いの領地への不可侵協定を結んで ブルオミシェイスの独立を保っている。 これより数十年後、聖女アジョラがファーラムを唯一神とする 新しい宗教を興し、勢力は衰退していく。 ---- For another example of a mistranslation in official materials -- one that hits even closer to home -- consider this passage from the official English translation of Case of Tifa, in which it is said that Cloud informed Elmyra of Aerith's death: ---- As delicately as he could, Cloud broke the news to Elmyra about Aerith's fate. They couldn't be sure how she would take it, but the three of them apologized for not being able to save Aerith. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hanashita1.jpg Attentive players will remember that Reeve had already informed her of this during the events of the original game, as revealed in the following optional dialogue from Cait Sith on the Highwind: "I went an' told Aeris' Mom about her death. Yes, an' Miss Elmyra was cryin' herself silly... So was little Marlene..." While this, at first, seems a massive contradiction, upon inspection of the original Japanese text, a translation error quickly becomes apparent. Rather than the Japanese text saying that Cloud informed Elmyra of Aerith's death, it says that he talked to her about what was done with Aerith's body. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hanashitaj.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドはエルミナにエアリスの身に起こったことを話した。どのように受け 取られるのか確信がなかったが、三人はエアリスを助けられなったことを 謝罪した。 ---- エアリスの身 (Aerith no mokuro) is “Aerith’s body.” What's more, while Elmyra may (or may not) have learned for the first time what became of Aerith's body during this conversation, the passage as written merely says Cloud discussed the matter with her. The relevant verb here is ?b?μ?? (hanashita), the past tense form of ?b?・ (hanasu), meaning "to speak" or "to converse." Thus, the translation should be, "Cloud talked to Elmyra about Aerith's fate. They couldn't be sure how she would respond, but the three of them apologized for being unable to save Aerith." For the sake of being as informative as possible, it should be mentioned here that the revised edition of Case of Tifa altered these two lines slightly, combining them into one, and only mentioning that Cloud apologized for being unable to save Aerith. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hanashitaj2.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドはエルミナにエアリスの身に起こったことを話し、助けられなった ことを謝罪した。 ---- More recently, the official English translation for Final Fantasy XIII-2 had a significant translation error concerning the timing of Noel’s birth. The official translation has Noel claim “I lived at the end of days. I was the very last child to be born.” However, the following is what he said in Japanese: 俺たちは　滅びの時代に生まれた 最後の子供だった English and Japanese screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd150.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd151.jpg This distinction between "I was the very last child" and "We were the last children" is relevant, as Yeul was born after Noel. On pg. 191 of Fragments After, an official FFXIII-2 novel, Noel is said to be three years old at the time Yeul was born: "Though the man looked a lot like a monster to him, being only three years old, Noel was not afraid. He was desperate to protect the newborn Yeul, numbing his other emotions." Source scan (courtesy of roxas9001): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssd152.jpg Japanese text: ---- たった三歳のノエルにとって、男は魔物のように大きく見えたが、 恐ろしくはなかった。生まれたばかりのユールを守らなければと必死で、 それ以外の感情が麻痺してしまっていたのだ。 ---- If, after reading all this, one still insists they must defer to the official translation wherever it appears, they have the right to do so. However, they are doing so while knowingly subscribing to an unreliable standard. Were it not already clear enough, with all this now addressed, these comments from Nomura and Nojima effectively resolve the matter of who Cloud is interested in pursuing a romance with. The Love Triangle Debate is closed. ==== "Nothing ends. Nothing ever ends" [5.2355In] Even with all this said, passionate debates among the fandom have continued for years -- beyond the discovery and translation of all the materials covered thus far, and beyond the first several versions of the article you now read. Not so much because there is a debate left to be had, I would argue, but due more to personal dedication to a dissenting view stemming from emotional attachment. One concession I would like to make, though, is that when I initially wrote this article, I didn't acknowledge the significant differences of interpretation one may legitimately arrive at in the absence of metatext like Ultimanias and developer interviews. Truly, in following a sola scriptura reading of the material, it's not out of the question to arrive at somewhat different conclusions that require going down different roads than the canon materials ventured. However, with the Compilation of FFVII taken in whole rather than in part, the extra-textual materials (e.g. Ultimanias) and various comments by the series's developers have made the matter extremely cut and dry, even without such definitive comments as the Nojima Statement discussed above. There is even sufficient data to support a Clerith-only conclusion if one were to seek out this information and synthesize it all together while dismissing pro-Cloti elements one by one in a non-synthesized manner. Throw in an assessment of comments -- removed from their proper context -- made by key Compilation of FFVII developers, and you have a recipe for whatever you would like. No matter, though, that there are still a handful of fans who insist there to be no canon pairing, or that a canon outcome for Clerith alone is there to be found. Such conclusions can only be acquired through dismissal of too much material and selective reading of too much else. Often the shortest distance between two points doesn't belie a hidden meaning -- it's the most simple connection to be made because it's the right one. Since this discussion is -- and has always been -- about canon, in the preceding analysis, I've made what I believe to be use of the full range of official materials available. The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII developers' comments served as both foundation and framework, with the various official materials analyzed through that lens and in light of one another. After all, if an answer was to be found, it's safe to say that it would be located within an intersection where all the available materials inform one another. Having reached a conclusion in establishing where Cloud's romantic interests lie, we must still consider and properly address the oft-repeated arguments posited as evidence that Cloud does not romantically favor Tifa. As well, we should look into the fallacious arguments regarding his feelings for Aerith that often accompany these anti-Cloti (one might more accurately refer to them as anti-Tifa) claims. For clarity's sake, understand that the assertion is not being made here that Cloud does not have romantic feelings for Aerith. In fact, I would contend that he does, or at least did while she was alive (more on that to come). All that is being done in this section and the next is correcting inaccuracies and straightening out misconceptions. Even more importantly, understand that in no way is this article stating or so much as implying that all Clerith fans subscribe to the following views. Rather, an understanding quite nearly the opposite should be taken: these sentiments are carried by a small but extremely vocal and passionate minority. Fans who appreciate the Clerith pairing are like fans of any other pairing -- just liking what they like, and hoping to enjoy sharing that with others. No one should be alienated for enjoying a fictional pairing, nor does the pairing's role -- or lack thereof -- in canon have any bearing on its capacity to be enjoyed. Whether a couple is granted legitimacy in the official story or no, its fans -- and opponents -- should remember that it can still be legitimately appreciated. Lacking a canon status should not detract from this, nor should it invite ridicule. Now, sit back and sip your rich, chocolaty Yuffientine. Because we all know about that YuffiexVincent Valentine doujinshi on your hard drive. Let us now begin with the anti-Cloti worldview. First, preceding a late-night conversation between Cloud and Tifa in Case of Tifa, she unintentionally wakes Cloud up with a question after waiting for him to fall asleep. This question ("Do you love me?") has been argued to indicate that Tifa is unaware of what Cloud's feelings for her are -- and, thus demonstrate that they aren't in a romantic relationship; the argument being that she should know he loved her if they were. It has also been suggested that the bed visible in Cloud's office in Advent Children identifies the room as his bedroom when considered along with a line from Case of Tifa. In the official English translation included with the North American Limited Edition release of Advent Children, Tifa tells Cloud at one point, "Then drink in your room." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cot4a.jpg Usually included with this is the observation that Case of Tifa says Marlene slept with Tifa up until at least the night that Barret left -- the implication being that if Cloud and Tifa had just officially entered a romantic relationship, they should probably be sleeping together. Another point raised with regard to Case of Tifa is that Tifa herself had the following thoughts during the story: "They needed friends to live without being crushed by the guilt. Even if they all bore the same scars, shouldered the same sins, they never would have made it without comforting and encouraging each another. 'All right, then. Maybe it is safe to say we're a family. We just have to work together as one. Together with friends to call family, there's no storm we can't weather,' Tifa thought." Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ familyoffriends1.jpg This passage is often cited as evidence that Tifa saw her living arrangement with Cloud as simply friends cohabiting -- and, indeed, that she just saw the Seventh Heaven family as a "family of friends" who support one another. In line with this thinking that Tifa knew the family with Cloud was not legitimate, it is often mentioned how much she seeks confirmation throughout Case of Tifa that they are just a normal family. The anti-Cloti perspective would argue that she does this because she knows that their family situation isn't normal -- i.e. one with two parents in a romantic relationship raising children. In fact, it's often argued that Tifa's relationship with Cloud is more akin to that of a mother and son. When he feels guilty about running deliveries without Tifa's knowledge and spending money on enhancing his bike without discussing this with her as well, she thinks to herself, "He's like a child." That conversation between them leads Tifa to the prospect that the world Cloud knew was expanding, which has her next think to herself, "Yes... Maybe this is kind of what a mother feels like." As well, it's stated that she was happy with "the new emotions growing inside her." The anti-Cloti perspective feels that this indicates that Tifa's romantic interest in Cloud had begun to disappear around this time, being replaced instead by a motherly affection. As well, the perspective holds that Tifa at this point accepted that she and Cloud weren't meant to be together in any other way. This view is bolstered by a quote from Tetsuya Nomura in the Reunion Files (pg. 18), where he said, "Tifa was a very difficult character to create. Like Aerith, she has a maternal side to her, but in a different sense. Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud, who is a 'big kid' himself in some respects." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ bigkid.jpg Next, the anti-Cloti paradigm would point out that it is only after Cloud has brought Denzel into the family that he begins spending more time at home. The implication being that he only spends more time there because his bond with Denzel is due in large part to his belief that Aerith led Denzel to him -- thus making Denzel a connection between Cloud and Aerith in his mind. Perhaps more significantly, the perspective we're exploring holds that the family's structure no more favors Cloud as a figurehead -- a father role to Tifa's mother role -- than it favors Barret. In fact, the typical argument is that Barret is better described as serving the family's fatherly role since he is the one who originally put the family together in founding AVALANCHE, and because his FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile makes the following observation with regard to his role in Advent Children (pg. 54; pg. 56 in the Revised Edition): (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- Upon finding out that Edge was under attack during the midst of his travels, he rushed over towards the crisis faced by his family and companions. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family4.jpg Japanese text: ---- その途中でエッジが襲撃されたことを知り、仲間と家族の危機に駆けつける。 ---- From this point of view, Cloud is more of a son to the family -- a brother to Marlene and Denzel. This structure is said to be suggested further by Marlene saying "I'll put Cloud in our family too" in the revised version of Case of Tifa, presumably while drawing one of the pictures that adorn the wall of the children's bedroom -- Marlene's words considered an "invitation" of sorts to Cloud to join a family that already existed and which he played no part in forming. All this then culminates in Tifa's discussion with Cloud in Advent Children, in which she says, "I guess that only works for real families" -- the idea being that Tifa once again acknowledges that they aren't a normal family with two parents raising kids together. Most significantly of all, the anti-Cloti perspective claims that Tifa did not understand Cloud's feelings or needs, that she nagged and lectured him, and that she only wanted to be with him if he could fulfill her childhood fantasy of being rescued by a knight in shining armor. Consequently, the perspective holds that Cloud himself was unhappy at Seventh Heaven with her and the children. That he instead spent his days grieving for Aerith in solitude as much as possible before removing himself to Aerith's church to await death and a reunion with his lost love. After all, this view would argue, why would Cloud not spend his last days with Tifa if she is the woman he loves? Why is he instead seeking the presence and comfort of another woman? For support for the notion that Tifa doesn't understand Cloud, by the way, another quote from the Reunion Files is referenced, this time by Nojima on pg. 19: ---- Tifa's been with Cloud for a large part of her life at this point, but she still doesn't understand some of the complexities of his heart, and this makes her uneasy. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudcomplexities.jpg Japanese text: ---- この時点でクラウドとは結構長く一緒にいるんですけど、いまだにクラウドを 掴みきれてない不安を抱えているんですね。 ---- The argument that Tifa is only interested in Cloud because of her desire for a hero to save her is seemingly bolstered by three other official comments. The first of these comes from pg. 24 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, where the following comment is made in the timeline from Tifa's profile when discussing the moment of Cloud and Tifa's promise to one another as children: ---- At the time, Cloud had not made much of an impression on Tifa. The reason she asked him for such a thing as "wanting to be rescued by a hero" was simply to fulfill her childish princess wish. However, after exchanging their promise, Cloud became a special person to her, and gradually came to occupy a big position in her life. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ princess.jpg Japanese text: ---- 当時のクラウドは、ティファには印象の薄い存在だった。その彼にこんなこと を頼んだのは、「ヒーローに助けられてみたい」という、幼いお姫様願望を 満たしたかったからにすぎない。だが、約束を交わしたこのときを境に、 クラウドは彼女のなかで特別な存在となり、しだいに大きな位置を 占めていく。 ---- The second quote considered relevant to this matter is on the next page of the same book. This is a quote that was discussed earlier in this article: (translation by Quexinos) ---- Although Cloud has been holding favor for Tifa since earlier, Tifa's interest in him didn't begin until the time of exchanging their promise. That may have been due to the loneliness caused by her surrounding friends leaving one after another, but more than that, it seems largely due to the promise he made to become her hero. ---- Though there is more to this quote (review the earlier reference to it to refresh your memory), this is the portion focused upon by the anti-Tifa view. Finally, the following quote from Tifa's profile on pg. 33 of the Crisis Core Ultimania is included in this assessment: ---- When she was childhood friends with Cloud, she got him to promise to ?ecome rescue me if I get in a pinch' before he left the village with his sights set on SOLDIER; since then, she has looked forward to her reunion with a Cloud who has become splendid. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ccuscan1.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドの幼なじみにあたり、彼がソルジャーを目指して村を出るさいは 「ピンチになったら助けにくる」と約束させ、以来、立派になったクラウド との再会を楽しみにしてきた。 ---- The purported implication of all this being that Tifa is only interested in Cloud if he becomes "splendid," allowing her to fulfill her childhood fantasies. Thus, she spends their days together after Meteorfall nagging Cloud into becoming the hero she wanted him to be for her back then, culminating in their conversation from Advent Children in which she demands he choose between Aerith and the family at Seventh Heaven. The argument goes that she wants him to push Aerith's memory out of his mind, stop grieving for her, and race off to battle to be Tifa's hero. While all this does make for a marginally cohesive, relatively consistent analysis, it omits all the information that contradicts these claims, and grossly distorts what's left. It also requires dismissing each of the pro-Cloti factors we've already looked at in isolation rather than synthesizing them together: -Cloud and Tifa sharing an intimate moment before the final battle of the original game -Cloud's declared desire following the battle to have Tifa with him in a different way than he'd always had her with him before -The house being described as theirs, at the exclusion of anyone else, including Barret -Cid's expectation that Cloud and Tifa would be together -Nojima's own statement that he knew when conceptualizing Advent Children that Cloud and Tifa would be with one another and everyone would be "home where they belonged" -The references to Cloud and Tifa living together with children as a family that the two of them had formed -Comments about Tifa and Cloud filling the roles of mother and father in the family, with Denzel viewing them as his new parents It's a long list even without the Nojima Statement or the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario's statement that Cloud and Tifa didn't use words to express their feelings of romantic love to one another that night under the Highwind. There is much more overlooked by this assessment, however, and we will now go over all of it. Let us begin with the notion that Tifa asking Cloud if he loves her as he sleeps is a sign that she doesn't know if he does. Being that Kazushige Nojima said the premise of the story in Case of Tifa is that they are in a *troubled* romantic relationship, it actually makes far too much sense for Tifa to be asking this. For that matter, why would Nojima even bother writing a story about something so uninteresting as a couple of roommates' platonic issues? Things were not going particularly well between Cloud and Tifa at the time. He was beginning to slip away from her in depression, and Tifa was worried about whether they were going to work it out. Having concerns like "Do you love me?" is what people in relationships do during times like that. It doesn't matter if we have heard it before. We don't necessarily never again require confirmation of such things after we have heard it the first time. Human beings are not machines. We don't beep and boop and record information about emotions like that. This is not a realistic scenario: "Well, he told me once that he loves me, so he must love me. No need to ask him again ever, even though he hasn't been coming home at night and I found someone else's lipstick on his collar." We feel doubt, we get insecure, we crave reassurance. Especially when we feel that the other person is slipping away. Do you tell someone you're in a relationship with that you love them because you think they've forgotten from one day to the next? No, you don't. We do it because we want to reassure them or make them feel better. We do it because we want them to think of that if something happens between leaving for work and coming home, such that they never see us again. We say it because it feels good to say. Sometimes we say it because we want it said back to us. When you are in a relationship where there are significant issues, you begin to wonder if the other person still loves you, and so you eventually give voice to that concern -- not that Tifa was actually ready to ask him yet anyway. She waited until he was asleep to ask, and immediately changed the question to "Do you love Marlene?" when he awoke. Rather than being a suggestion that Cloud and Tifa had never confirmed romantic feelings, this scene actually paints a picture of the opposite. For Tifa to lay awake at night pondering this question in this way points to a woman who believes her relationship is in crisis. The question of why she would have to wonder if he loved her had they already confessed feelings is countered by the obvious question of why she would need to ask the same question if she already believed he was in love with Aerith at the exclusion of carrying feelings for herself as well. To summarize the matter: To say that someone in a relationship would never need to ask for reassurance is not just unrealistic -- it's squarely at odds with the reality of how we human beings behave and how our emotions function. For that matter, what then should we make of Aerith asking Cloud "You don't like being with me?" after their gondola ride at Round Square at the end of their date. Does this mean that he gave her indication that he doesn't, such that -- even after one of their most memorable scenes together -- she doesn't know? It makes far more sense that Tifa would ask Cloud "Do you love me?" in a situation where they are in an established relationship. That is the kind of scenario the scene portrays. It also suggests to us that Cloud and Tifa share a bed. While Cloud has a perplexed look on his face when he awakens, it's left unclear whether this is due to her presence or being awoken. Given, however, that he shuts his eyes after only three brief replies and goes back to sleep without waiting for her to leave or making sure he's answered all her questions, one is left without a suggestion that her presence while he sleeps is out of the ordinary. Furthermore, were her presence out of the ordinary, for him to go back to sleep like that without making sure he'd answered questions that were clearly on her mind, he'd be conducting himself as something of a jerk. All but the most anti-Tifa of fans would agree that Cloud cares more about Tifa's feelings than to dismiss her so coldly. The fact that she was waiting for him to fall asleep and knew when he had is also quite telling, as is the utter lack of narrative description regarding Tifa moving into the room or toward Cloud in this scene. As well, the idea that Tifa wasn't already in the room as she waited for Cloud to go to sleep would paint her in an exceptionally creepy light. Either she was there all along, or we're left to see her as the Edward Cullen to Cloud's Bella Swan, standing over him as he sleeps. Picture that if you will -- a silent Tifa standing over a somnolent Cloud in the middle of the night while probing for whether he loves her. How disturbed and clingy does this make her appear? This would be utterly out of character for her, as both Nojima and Tetsuya Nomura made it clear in the Reunion Files that Tifa isn't such a weak, clingy woman as this (pg. 20): ---- The director, Nomura, said he wanted me to make sure she wasn't a clingy woman, but to portray her as though she's been hurt emotionally in a way that others around her cannot easily detect. ---- ---- Tifa is a strong woman. She doesn't like what Cloud is doing, but instead of lecturing him about every little thing, she's been waiting for him to realize for himself what his actions are doing. She's remarkably strong, not only emotionally, but physically as well. I think that using words to help lead Cloud to his own conclusions, instead of constant lecture, is a defining quality of Tifa's personality. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifascharacter.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifascharacter2.jpg Japanese text: ---- 野村からも、ベタベタした感じにはしないでほしいと言われてたこと もあって、周囲には悟られないように傷付いてる感じですね。 クラウドの行動が気に入らないんだけど、小言を言うんじゃなくて、 クラウド自身が気づくのを待っている強い女性性ですね。ほんとに (腕っ節も)強いですけど、そこがまたティファらしいところかなと ---- It is also clear from this that Nojima's comment on pg. 19 (that Tifa doesn't understand all the complexities of Cloud's heart) wasn't meant to be construed as not understanding him. She demonstrates thorough understanding of him throughout Advent Children, correctly concluding that he planned to stop trying to beat Geostigma, that his inaction was due to being wracked with a fear of failing to save someone again, and that battling Kadaj/Sephiroth was a fight Cloud needed to -- and could -- win on his own. Either you must accept Tifa as the strong, non-clingy woman she is, or you must take a stance opposed by her creators and put her behavior in the same unsettling category as that of the entity from "Paranormal Activity." Illustrating the point in a comedic manner is this .gif image put together by Quexinos: http://killthemongoose.com/love.gif Back to the matter of Tifa understanding Cloud, more than just the one official comment from Nomura tells us that she, in fact, knows him better than anyone. Furthermore, despite what her detractors would have one believe, she loves Cloud for who he is, with full knowledge of the same. On pg. 21 of the Advent Children Prologue book, we find the following comment: ---- Since 2 years ago, Tifa has been the only one he has opened his heart to. Now, his heart is closed even to her. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudsheart.jpg Japanese text: ---- 2年前から、唯一心を許していたティファ。今は彼女にも心を閉ざしている。 ---- Next up, her 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile tells us the following within its first two lines, as found on pg. 42 (pg. 44 of the Revised Edition): (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- The fighter who hides a surprising amount of power behind her beautiful, well-featured appearance. Apart from being Cloud’s childhood friend, she is also the woman who understands him all too well and devotedly supports the mentally-weak side of him. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifa10au.jpg Japanese text: ---- 美しく整った容姿に驚くほどのパワーを秘めた格闘家。クラウドにとっては幼なじめで あると同時に良き理解者で、精神面の弱い彼を献身的に支える。 ---- Furthermore, her profile from pg. 15 of the April 2009 issue of Dengeki PlayStation 3 (issue #445; pg. 15) says the following concerning her role around the time of Advent Children: (translation by hitoshura) ---- A member of the anti-Shinra organization AVALANCHE, and Cloud's childhood friend. She is the only person who knows his past, and the one person who understands him. In the previous battle, she supported Cloud not only in battle but also mentally, and at the final stages of their fight was a great help to him. ... With the sudden appearance of Kadaj's gang, she too is once again dragged into battle. She gives encouragement to Cloud, who is unable to shake off his doubts, and creates the catalyst for him to regain the will to fight. Hopefully this also leads to her own salvation as well. ... Final Fantasy VII As one of the core members of the anti-Shinra organization AVALANCHE, Tifa participated in various bombing missions. But after reuniting with her childhood friend Cloud, she sets out with him on a journey in pursuit of Sephiroth. She continued to support him at all times, such as when Cloud fell into the Lifestream, and she devotedly nursed over him. ---- Translation source: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/2850/tifa-lockhart-ffvii- advent-children-complete-profile-from-dengeki-ps3/ Source photos: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifadengeki6_zps56bc725a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifadengeki7_zps06d3eeab.jpg Japanese text: ---- 元反神羅組織アランチのメンバーで、クラウドの幼なじみ。彼の過去 を知る1人で、唯一の理解者でもある。先の戦いでも、戦闘は もちろん、精神面でもクラウドを支え、戦いの決着に大きく 貢献することになった。 … カダージュたちの突然の出現により、彼女もまた再び戦いへと 巻き込まれていく。迷いを振り切れないクラウドを叱咤激励し、 彼に戦う意志を取り戻させるきっかけを作ることになる。それは、 彼女自身の救いにもなったと信じたい。 … ファイナルファンタジーVII 元反神羅組織アランチの中核メンバーとして,さまざまな破壊活動を 行っていたティファ。しかし幼なじみであるクラウドと再会してからは、 彼とともセフィロスを追う旅へと向かうことになる。クラウドが ライフストリームに取り込まれたとは、献身的な介護で見守るなと、 常に彼を支え続けた。 ---- Not only does the argument that Tifa was only ever interested in Cloud for the hero fantasy she constructed ignore the established facts of her character and the story of FFVII, but the very suggestion that she never matured beyond the 13-year-old girl who had that fantasy -- despite all that she went through in her life, and all the devotion she expresses to Cloud -- betrays the underlying animosity felt toward her by those who posit such notions. Truth be told, even that teenage girl had outgrown thoughts of needing rescue, and decided she would learn to defend herself, as demonstrated by the following e-mail she sends to Zack in Crisis Core: ---- I can fight, too Sephiroth -- I don't get him at all. Is everyone in SOLDIER like him? Oh, and are there any blond guys in SOLDIER? Well, it's just a dream... Any girl would love to have a blond SOLDIER guy protect her when she's in a pinch. Well, it's no good just waiting for my blond knight in shining armor to show up, so I've started learning how to fight, myself. My teacher tells me I've got a knack for it. ---- Source screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifacanfighttoo.jpg Japanese text: ---- 私だって戦える セフィロスって何考えてるかわからない。 ほかのソルジャも、こんな感じなの？ 例えば金髪のソルジャーなんている？ 別に意味はないのよ。女の子の憧れでしょ？ ピンチの時に、金髪のソルジャーに 守ってもらうのなんて。 でも、待ってるだけじゃダメだから 私も格闘を始めてみたの。 師匠には、筋がいいって言われてるのよ。 ---- Source screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifacanfighttoo2.jpg For that matter, why is Tifa so preoccupied with the notion of whether they could be called a normal family if she knows that she and Cloud are just platonic friends? Either she has some basis for that belief or she is more deluded than Charlize Theron's character in "Young Adult." Given that Nomura and Nojima have said she is neither clingy nor weak, there is no way they intend her to be as pathetic as that character. Spending two years cohabitating with a man and wondering whether each "good morning" meant "something more" or convincing herself that it did because she wants to believe it so badly ... that may actually make her as pathetic as "Metroid: Other M" made Samus Aran. Tifa may be codependent, but she isn't a pathetic embarrassment to women everywhere. She also isn't trying to make Cloud forget Aerith. As TheLifestream.net forum member Splintered explains: ---- Keep in mind what was happening here. Cloud isn't mourning. Cloud has given up on everything. At this point, "us or your guilt" isn't just a philosophical question; it's a literal question. Marlene has just been captured by the enemies. Denzel and other children have been kidnapped by these same guys. And one of these guys beat Tifa to the point of unconsciousness, so it's a reasonable assumption that Cloud is the only person who could defeat them. And he was going to walk away from the situation, like he walked away from his family when it got too hard. He was going to leave the children they were raising in imminent danger. There's not a mother in the world that would take that sitting down. At this point, someone needed to tell him, "It's time to choose." He needed to stop running away from the hard questions. Tifa has, in fact, supported Cloud through a ton of his moodiness, guilt and struggle to find happiness. But supporting him does not always mean allowing him to waste away. Aerith does also support him in her own way, much different from Tifa's. But the roles aren't meant to be the same. Aerith is the spiritual side of the planet, a healer, and the woman who can give him forgiveness. Tifa is Cloud's rock, who is by his side at his worst, and they grow to be stronger characters together. Tifa doesn't want Aerith to leave the picture; Tifa wants Cloud not to be consumed by his feelings to the point he cannot live anymore. She smiles up at the rain, fondly saying that Aerith was always there for him, and thanks her. That's not the mark of a woman who wants Cloud to forget her; that's the mark of a woman who wants him to move forward. ... She knows what the real problem is. She explicitly states it later on. "You're scared of letting people down." This is at the core of everything. Complete even has an extra scene where he imagines Zack and Aerith's deaths right before he saves Tifa and Denzel. Healing takes time and she knows it, because Case of Tifa shows that she has allowed Cloud his space and time while trying to talk to him about it. But it's something that he needs to be able to confront. Cloud wasn't confronting it. He was going to lay down and die. This is mentioned specifically when Tifa and Marlene meet up at the church. And guess what, Cloud manages to push past it. Not just because of Aerith ... but because of everyone. Tifa, Marlene, Vincent, Aerith. "With the support of former allies and Tifa, an important woman to him and now also part of his family, Cloud regains the courage to move forward." -Cloud Strife's FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile Hell, look at the moment when he goes to defeat Bahamut. The very moment where he finally goes into the fight with all his conviction, he cannot reach the enemy on his own and his allies, including support from Aerith, help him reach where he needs to be. When he fights Sephiroth, Tifa is the one that tells her comrades (and the audience) the part of Cloud that he lost on his way, his courage and conviction, and he was gaining it back when he fought Sephiroth. Cloud in AC/C wasn't fully him. That was the part that was so consumed with negativity that he was willing to let him and others die because he couldn't face the reality that was facing himself. This isn't new. Tifa had her own problems in CoT -- her own guilt and questions of what's next. Barret's burden of finding his place in life without violence. Red XIII's coping with the mortality of the people around him. And this is Cloud's turn. AC/C was never about Cloud/Tifa or Cloud/Aerith. This was his "Case of" story, where Cloud had been drowning in despair and unable to know a way to move forward. And through his own power, and the support of the people that have loved him -- Tifa, his family, Aerith and Zack -- he found his way again. And without all his doubt and fear weighing him down, he was able to finally return to his family, quite happily. ---- On the same topic, Fairheartstrife offered these thoughts: ---- Actually what she asks is: "Did we lose to our memories?" She's not asking him to choose; she's asking if they're so swallowed up by their past and guilt and "sins" that they won't fight for their lives and future. In my opinion, this quote directly relates to when Cloud tells her that she's more optimistic than she's acting back when she was silent and down and heavy with the weight of her "sins" in CoT. He says he will remind her of who she is, despite all of the shit they went through. And yet, two short years later, there they were, there HE was, losing to that same heaviness... So, uhm, yeah. Tifa wasn't setting an ultimatum. She was asking a freaking question. A damn good one too. Even in the craptacular English translation of "A memory or us" the memory isn't specified as "Aerith." The memory of guilt, of pain, of chocobo cheesecake, Sephy-poo ... whatever. It's still not an ultimatum. And it's not between Aerith and Tifa. ---- Wolfmania offers this further insight: ---- No need to even mention that Cloud needed to be scolded and turned back into reality. To say what Tifa did is anything negative is nothing short of ridiculous. Should she just let the man she loves, father of her family, waste away in degradation? ... If Tifa hadn't done that, Cloud would've never recovered, would've went back to the church, wasted away and died an emotional wreck with absolutely no willpower of his own. And that means what? Goodbye planet. Nice knowing you. I just hope the catastrophic crash against a bigger piece of rock doesn't hurt much after Sephiroth telekinetically rides you through space. Tifa indirectly saved the world by saving Cloud's life, and then helping restore real!Cloud, buried beneath suicidal!Cloud. Wretched? How about heroic? But, even then, that was not her primary motivation. ... Cloud's reflection of the human psyche and mind is what made his character awesome. It's what made the whole "a puppet, his illusion and his puppeteer" plot point my favorite. I also dislike when people try to downplay Cloud's humanity, especially since that's arguably the core of his character. Unlike "monsters" such as Sephiroth, Genesis, etc., he never estranged himself from his human side, which is why I love the fact Cloud does not and will never possess a wing. Unlike his fakey, non-canon KH version. To summarize: a struggling relationship does not mean a failed relationship. It just means both Cloud and Tifa are human. And extremely well-written and developed characters at that. ---- And more still from Raven Roth: ---- I didn't see her being "insensitive" to his pain. The woman gave him space and time, and didn't question him or his absence. She let him do his thing and figured he'd come to her on his own terms. Tifa has always been someone to treat others with a sensitive light. Sure, she probably didn't know how to handle the situation, but at the same time, she didn't press him or nag him or annoy him about it. I think she was being extremely sensitive to his pain, maybe a little too much so. She gave him too much space when what she should have done is call him out on it from the get go and talk it out. Yes, they have very little communication, and I also see that as an issue. But I feel like that was more Square Enix being lazy and rehashing issues from the original game that were thought to be solved already. Either way, I don't get why people feel like every relationship has to be sunshine and rainbows? Like every person must be so compatible for one another in order for it to be true love? That's why I like Cloud and Tifa. They have problems. They are not perfect for each other, they are not soul mates, they don't "complete" one another. But they try because they're in love (imo). And they're willing to try and fix things for the sake of love, and in the end, isn't that what every real couple does? ---- And, finally, from Danseru-kun: ---- If you ask me, when I read Case of Tifa I really didn't see a failing relationship. I see a struggling, young couple trying to be parents despite their insecurities and weaknesses. I never fell in love or had a relationship, but I know how hard it is to raise a family in a harsh setting. I know how a terminal disease can affect individuals. Cloud was acting like my grandfather before he died; not wanting to bother his children who spent time taking care of him, feeling guilt for all the medical expenses and losing his faith. Just like Cloud, he recovered, though, with the help of his family. Cloud's depression is a very human reaction, especially after what he had been through. I know the Clerith perspective may be romantic, but I don't like it when Cloud's humanity is dismissed as a proof that Cloti doesn't work and Aerith will be what he needed to overcome his troubles. To add, I also don't like it when Cloud's failure to help himself despite Tifa's support is a proof that Tifa lacks what Aerith had to bring Cloud back together, which we never really see in the OG. ... Love is love no matter how young it is, how short it is. Teens experience love. Love at first sight exists. Short, passionate romances can exist. So Zerith -- which they claim to be puppy love -- is still love, and Clerith -- which happened in a span of weeks -- can be called love. Those loves are bright, sweet, loving and wonderful. They're an ideal happily ever after until tragedy struck. However, it's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a bigger part that we don't see sometimes. Love is made up of many things. Before that, all love starts weak, fed by feelings or attraction alone, like a plant without fertilizer of sunlight. Love has to grow to become strong and bear fruit. It's not just the matter of the heart, but also the mind, the soul. It needs time, understanding, knowledge of each other and memories. And love is not supposedly the master of a person. If it is, that person is blind. A person decides and chooses on who he will love, and how he would show this person this love. Determination and commitment comes as a support for love to grow. But this person is not perfect. He can have the best love in the world, but it's too great for him. He can be burdened by past mistakes, haunted by old memories and feel insecure about his capability. He may feel undeserving of this wonderful woman and thinks that she can be as happy without him. He loves her, but wants her to be better off. Worse is, when he knows he's going to die, he cannot bear to see the people he loves worry and suffer in front of him. It's easier to escape than to confront. He's frightened. He isn't strong enough. The people he wasn't able to protect prove how worthless he is. Now, this is why It's unfair and baseless to call the Cloti relationship loveless and dysfunctional, and this is why I love Cloti. It's even more immature to blame the fault on Tifa alone. Cloti is a ship sailing on stormy seas, unlike ships that do nothing but stay in calm waters, enjoying the sun and the singing mermaids. ---- Moving on, it's easy enough to see how a line such as the one where Tifa tells Cloud to have his drink in "your room" may be misunderstood to be in reference to a separate bedroom of his own. This is yet another mistranslation in the official materials, however. What Tifa actually said there was literally just “Then drink in room” (「だったら部屋で飲んでよ」) ? the specific room in question possibly being anything from “another” to “your” to “our.” Communication in Japanese can often get away with not identifying specific nouns or even pronouns. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot4b.jpg In addition, as hitoshura has noted, the understanding of this line most likely to be accurate is this: ---- 部屋 can have a wider usage that simply a single room, such as referring to an apartment as a whole. ... http://roomselection.sub-cul.net/above.html This link talks about "rooms" above shops (convenience stores and restaurants), but refers to people living there. The ground floor is the business, and above that are living areas. That's how I read the OTWTAS quote: Tifa telling him not to drink and be moody down in the customers' area, and to instead go into the living quarters. ---- Another line in the story shortly before that ? and set on the same day ? refers to the room with the cot as "the room Cloud used as an office" (クラウドが事務所にしている部屋の掃除をしていた). Not "Cloud's room" or "the room Cloud slept in." This, despite the story referring to Marlene and Denzel's room as "the children's room” (子共部屋). Source scans (official English translation and Japanese original): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot3a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot3b.jpg As well, the last paragraph of the story refers to the room once again as "Cloud's office" (クラウドのオフィス), not his bedroom. Source scans (official English translation and Japanese original): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot5a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot5b.jpg What's more, the room is absent the barest of amenities beyond the bed and office desk. The spare tires laying to one side give even less an impression that this is a room lived in rather than worked in. Minimalist as Cloud may or may not be, to have not acquired so much as a dresser or nightstand in two years seems unlikely. By comparison, the children's bedroom is lavishly furnished -- though it really just looks like an ordinary room by any other measure. It has beds that actually look comfortable: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudsoffice.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ kidsroom.jpg That Cloud would take the time and have the thorough compulsion to customize a motorcycle, adorn himself with a wolf-themed outfit, cell phone and jewelry -- which themselves are tied to the motorcycle because of its name, Fenrir -- and to decorate his desk, but not the time to provide his bedroom with a simple piece of furniture for storing anything he would need on a day-to-day basis is ludicrously out of place. For that matter, given his customized clothing and bike -- the latter of which he was willing to ask Tifa to exchange a lifetime of free drinks and meals at Seventh Heaven for -- as well as the sophisticated gadgetry implemented in his bike and Fusion Sword, Cloud hardly gives the impression of being an ascetic. He clearly appreciates the finer things in life. Given the strange hours Cloud worked because of his job, it makes a lot more sense that the office he used for work just had an extra cot for crashing in without waking up anyone else. Furthermore, since Barret had stayed there for a time, it's not that strange for an extra cot to be around, and there likely aren't more than three bedrooms anyway since Denzel doesn't have one of his own. As for the matter of Marlene always sleeping with Tifa, one must keep in mind the timeframe this statement applies to. They had just built a new home out of the ruins of Midgar, and only been sleeping in the new place for a week by the time Barret left. While they were homeless and then during that first week -- as far as this statement is known to apply -- it would have made sense for the trusted adult female to sleep with a child so young. Both to comfort her and keep her safe during the homeless days, and, later, to help her adjust to all that had changed in her life as she became comfortable with her new surroundings. The next time reference is made to Marlene's sleeping arrangements, she has her own bed in the room with Denzel. When she made this transition to a bed of her own is left unidentified. As such, it can't be assumed that Marlene -- who promised Barret as he left that she would help keep the family strong -- continued sleeping with Tifa for a long period with any more certainty than it can be said that she never slept with Tifa again. This particular matter is more or less rendered moot by the knowledge that Marlene is no longer sleeping with Tifa later in the story. On to the "family of friends" who supposedly constitute the family at Seventh Heaven, one could argue that this passage refers not to the arrangement she had with Cloud and Marlene -- and especially not once Denzel was in the picture -- but, rather, to the "extended family" that included the rest of AVALANCHE. Cloud is one individual, so he wouldn't fit the plurality indicated by "friends." Also, Marlene wouldn't be included in the group who "all bore the same scars, shouldered the same sins," so she's not able to provide a plurality that would turn the residents of Seventh Heaven into a circle of friends with sins on their backs. What characters close to Tifa then do fit that description? Who feels guilty of sins other than Cloud and Tifa? Barret, of course, and for the same reasons as Tifa -- the deaths caused by their terrorist activities in opposition to the Shin-Ra Company. Who else? Cid likely would for his treatment of Shera. Vincent absolutely does given his belief that he failed Lucrecia and Sephiroth. Reeve as well had felt a need to redeem himself for standing by while Shin-Ra carried out its assortment of immoral activities. Possibly even Red XIII would feel some measure of guilt for not honoring his father's memory most of his life. Marlene, though? There's nothing that she should feel guilty over, nor is she ever indicated to have. The counterargument has been attempted here that the "even if" in the passage about the friends carrying the same sins indicates that the possession of such need for redemption wasn't requisite for inclusion in those being discussed. Not only would that render pointless bringing up the characteristic to begin with, but it is a certainty from the original Japanese text that all being discussed in this passage were counted as possessing such a trait. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ familyoffriends2.jpg Japanese text: ---- たとえそれが同じ傷を持者同士、同じ罪を背負った者同士であったとしても。 ---- In a sentence constructed this way, "even if" is not proposing an uncertain possibility. It's stating a premise that the speaker holds to be true with regard to the ideas to follow. In the Japanese sentence here, the "even if" part is "toshitemo" (としても) ? which is equivalent to "even though" or "although." Again, it's establishing the premise for what follows. It's held to be true here that the comrades (doushi; “￣?m) in question all bear comparable hurt and sins. Marlene would not belong to such a group. Next up: the matter of Tifa having "a certain maternal bond" with Cloud. Truth be told, this is yet another infamous translation error. To refresh, the official translation here says: "Tifa was a very difficult character to create. Like Aerith, she has a maternal side to her, but in a different sense. Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud, who is a 'big kid' himself in some respects." These first and second sentences are correct. The third is not. It should have been, "In actuality, although she's looking after Marlene and Denzel, she's also looking after ?ebig kid' Cloud." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ bigkid.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティファはほんとに難しかったですね。ティファもまたエアリスとは違う意味での 母性なんでしょう。実際、マリンやデンゼルの面倒を見ながら、「おっきな 子共」のクラウドの面倒を見ている。 ---- There is no mention of Tifa having a maternal bond to him. For that matter, even if there were, it should go without saying that such qualities are not uncommon to find in women, nor is the presence of a "certain maternal bond" between a woman and the man she has romantic feelings for. That really falls to individual variance -- how naturally doting and motherly a woman is. Some are more so. Some are less so. Tifa is more so. That doesn't mean she sees Cloud as a son to her. As far as the notion goes that Tifa decides during Case of Tifa that she's more of a mother to Cloud than anything else, that isn't supported by the later passage where Tifa observes Cloud, Marlene and Denzel seated around a table at Seventh Heaven and the comment is made that "you might have said Cloud, Marlene and Denzel resembled a slightly young father and his kids." As well, she clearly has not accepted a role as Cloud's mother in AC/ACC if she's still making references to the idea of a real or normal family. She still sees him as something other than a son to her -- especially if Nojima's comment that she's "like any other woman who's been left behind by a man" is to apply. While on the subject, that could very well be why Tifa prods Cloud with the issue of whether they're a real family in AC/ACC -- he had left them. To begin with, Marlene and Denzel weren't their biological children. For Cloud then to leave and die alone rather than looking for and providing support at home only does more to seemingly sever the bonds that would make them a legitimate family. Once again, why would Tifa concern herself with whether they were a normal family in the first place if she knew they weren't? The fact that she settles comfortably into the notion that they are after Denzel's arrival says a lot on its own. Also notable, Aerith doesn't go without an analogy as Cloud's mother either -- and this from Cloud himself. When he feels her presence as he's dying near the end of Advent Children, he mumbles "Mother?" aloud, prompting some light-hearted joking between she and Zack. As well, on pg. 29 of the Reunion Files, Nomura says that Aerith's "maternal essence" lingers at the City of the Ancients -- and he mentions this in the context of why the city is a place that Cloud avoids even as he simultaneously feels drawn toward it: ---- I think part of the reason we decided to have Kadaj's base at the Forgotten Capital is because it's the one place that Cloud avoids. But at the same time, perhaps he's drawn to it. There's a sort of hidden meaning to it, with the maternal essence of Aerith that lingers there. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ maternalessence.jpg Japanese text: ---- カダージュたちが忘らるる部をアジトにしたのは、クラウドが近寄らない 場所っていう詔識もあったからだと思います。ただ、自分としては、隠れた 設定として、そこに宿るエアリスの母性に惹きつけられたところがあるの かな？と思っています ---- On pg. 50 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 52 of the Revised Edition), we also find this description of Aerith: (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- For Cloud, and the world once again faced with danger, she reaches out and offers her aid. In that sense she is like a mother watching over the entire planet, and it gives the feeling that she lives in every part of the world. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ motherearth.jpg Japanese text: ---- そんなクラウドやふたたび危機におちったこの星のために、救いの手を 差し出す。その様子は星全体を見守る母のようでもあり、彼女という 存在が星の端々に息づいていることを感じさせる。 ---- If Tifa is supposedly a mother figure to Cloud, what then is one to take from all this? Nothing, really. Neither woman has to be mischaracterized as a mother figure to Cloud in some intellectually disingenuous attempt to portray her as less a potential romantic interest for him. As TheLifestream.net forum member Raven Roth most excellently summarized the matter: ---- "The mother comment is something that always bothers me, whether it's for Aerith or Tifa. Neither woman is suddenly Cloud's mother instead of lover simply because they nurture and care for him. It is in a female's nature to mother the man she loves. It doesn't make them less of a romantic prospective simply because they do this. Women take care of their lovers because they want to, not because they want to be seen like their mother." ---- Both Tifa and Aerith have motherly qualities to them, as Nomura said in the Reunion Files (pg. 18), and both are motherly toward Cloud in their own way. Again, these qualities are not uncommon in women. Moving on to the idea that Cloud had to be invited into Marlene's family by her and that he himself played no role in forming it, this is simply inaccurate. As we've already been over, on pg. 44 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 46 of the Revised Edition), Tifa's profile outright says that Cloud and Tifa were forming the family. Furthermore, while Barret's 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile does say that he rushes to Edge to aid his family, Barret himself is never included in any itemized description of what is referred to as Cloud's family. Not in Cloud's profile from the same book, where the family is said to consist of he, Tifa and the children (pg. 38; pg. 40 in the Revised Edition), nor in this later passage where Barret is clearly differentiated from Cloud's family and would fall instead into the category of "his friends" (pg. 131; pg. 133 of the Revised Edition): "When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma-- his family were waiting." Tifa, Marlene and Denzel, however, *are* identified as his family here. Furthermore, Cloud himself mentions only the three of them during his conversation with Marlene outside Seventh Heaven in Advent Children Complete: "In the past, you've always looked after me. You, and Denzel, and Tifa. You were there whenever I needed you. Well, now it's my turn." It's obvious from Cloud's own words who he sees as his immediate family. All this is not to say that Barret would not be counted as family by Tifa and Cloud. He is, after all, the only member of AVALANCHE other than Tifa to wear one of Cloud's Cloudy Wolf rings. However, by the time of Advent Children, he had become more a part of the "extended family" discussed earlier in this article. He was in no way part of the nuclear family living at Seventh Heaven. It remains unclear how Denzel viewed him, and even how well he knew Barret, but it has already been established that Denzel saw Cloud and Tifa as his parents. While the family of Seventh Heaven had been originally created by Barret, it had been completely restructured in the time since Biggs, Jessie and Wedge died, as well as by Barret's own departure after the new bar was built. Marlene, of course, still views Barret as her father, though this hardly precludes Cloud from being the father figure of the family, nor does it even prevent Cloud from being a father figure to Marlene herself. Cloud is not replacing Barret. He is simply filling the role in Barret's absence. In fact, though the word "family" was used in Barret's profile, it could as easily be referring to Marlene alone as to Marlene plus others. The following comment by hitoshura explains: ---- I've been playing The 3rd Birthday, in which Theonius is talking to Aya and refers to Eve as 大事な家族 (daiji na kazoku, precious/dear family). He's only talking about Eve, but used the word for family to refer to her. Because that's her relationship with Aya. Likewise, maybe Barret's quote is talking about Marlene when it mentions family. But maybe I am just sick of the sight of the phrase 'family of friends' by now and will throw myself from a window the next time it is used. ---- In either case, based on the descriptions we have been given of Cloud's family, as well as the self-evident knowledge that Barret and Marlene would count one another as immediate family, the following Venn diagram (based on a less-detailed version made by TheLifestream.net forum member Ryushikaze) may best represent the structure of family where FFVII's cast is concerned: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ familydiagram.jpg Ryushikaze's original diagram: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ marlenefamily.png There was nothing formal about Marlene's "innocent offer," as it is described, to include Cloud in the family. She was simply a child recognizing that the structure around her had changed and that Cloud was now part of her family. For that matter, ask yourself: Would Barret being part of the Seventh Heaven family in any way preclude Cloud and Tifa from being romantically involved in the first place? The answer is no. That brings us to the matter of Cloud's bond with Denzel motivating him to spend more time at home. While I would not be the one to suggest that Cloud's belief that Aerith brought the boy to him didn't initially impact his emotions regarding him, I would also point out that when he and Tifa discussed that idea, Tifa posited that Denzel had been brought to them both. To this suggestion, Cloud smiled. Though it's feasible that Cloud could have simply smiled to placate Tifa's feelings, even while he felt she was shoehorning herself into a matter that didn't concern her, given that he'd just admitted to thinking he was wrong about the whole idea -- only for Tifa to clarify that Denzel was brought to the both of them -- it's more likely a genuine a smile. Especially when one tries to keep in mind that Cloud does not see Tifa as the meddlesome nuisance the anti-Tifa worldview would seek to portray her. In any case, it's more relevant to examine why Cloud believed Aerith brought the child to him in the first place. As Tifa's own reasons for thinking this may shed some insight into Cloud's, let us begin there. Her thoughts on the matter in Case of Tifa are as follows: "Denzel was supposed to come here. He was a victim when Sector Seven was destroyed--and we're the reason it's gone. So we need to take responsibility and raise this boy right." Cloud, for his own part, feels the weight of sins he blames himself for -- namely, Aerith and Zack's deaths. Aerith's in particular, given that he might have been able to save her had he done a number of things differently in that situation. While there was nothing he could have done for Zack, Cloud would be left wondering whether he might have helped Aerith had he broke Sephiroth's control a second sooner, not been so susceptible to it in the first place, or had he done *anything* when Sephiroth descended from the sky to kill her. Cloud felt a great guilt for Aerith's death, and it stands to reason he -- like Tifa -- would have seen raising Denzel as penance for his "sins." He even says toward the end of Case of Tifa, "I don't think I'll ever fix [my] problem. I can't make somebody unlose their life. But now, maybe I got a chance to save a life that's on the brink. Maybe that's something even I can do." Tifa asks if he means Denzel, and Cloud says, "Yeah." The connection that the boy had to Aerith for him is made obvious by these lines. In any case, none of the points we've gone over from the anti-Tifa perspective would do anything to suggest a pro-Clerith development so much as an anti-Cloti one. Though the counteraguments of that viewpoint fail to put the scoreboard back at square one, even if they did, that wouldn't move the scale in a pro-Clerith direction. Positive one and negative one equal zero. Though detractors of Tifa and Cloud's status as a canon couple have suggested over the last few years that Cloud was unhappy with his living arrangements and that this was in part why he left, all official comments on the matter have stated that Cloud was happy with his family, and, indeed, that this happiness was why he left. His 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile (pg. 38; pg. 40 of the Revised Edition) says that the more he realizes how happy he is, the more anxious he becomes at the fear of losing his family: (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud... ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudishappy.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティファや子どもたちと暮らす幸福を実感するほどに、それを失うことへの 恐怖が、過去の後悔とともにクラウドを苦しめる……。 ---- Nomura said the same thing in The Distance, the making-of documentary included with Advent Children: "The happier he is, the more lonely he becomes." Furthermore, his profile from the April 2009 issue of Dengeki PlayStation 3 (issue #445) says that he left initially because he wanted to find a cure for Geostigma for Denzel, but later withdrew entirely because he believed he was useless to those he cared about after contracting the illness himself: (translation by hitoshura) ---- The man who 2 years ago defeated Sephiroth, and held back the threat of Meteor. In the end he became a hero who saved the life of the planet, but what he lost during that battle took a heavy toll, and Cloud's heart continued to be tormented by a deep sense of regret and blame towards himself. It was during this that he met Denzel, a boy inflicted by "Geostigma," a mysterious illness believed to be caused by Meteor. And so Cloud leaves and struggles to find a cure for this illness. However, he finds himself infected by Geostigma, and as if fleeing he removes himself from the presence of his friends. Cloud suffers at the thought of being unable to save anybody. His heart remains trapped as it was 2 years ago... ---- Source: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/2830/cloud-strife-advent- children-complete-profile-from-dengeki-ps3/ Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddsse29.jpg Japanese text: ---- 2年前に起きた戦いセフィロスを倒し、メテオの被害を食い止めて男。 結果的にこの星の命を救った英雄となったが、その戦いで失ったものは あまりにも大きく、クラウドの心は深い後悔と自戒の念にさいなまれ 続けていた。そんななか、メテオの影響によるものとされる謎の病 「星痕症侯群」に侵された少年デンゼルと出会った彼は、その病の 治療法を探すべく奔走する。しかし、自らも星痕症侯群に侵され、 彼はまるで逃げるかのように、仲間たちの前から姿を消す。「俺には誰も 救えない」と、苦悩するクラウド。その心は、2年前から止まったまま だった……。 ---- Cloud's comments to Tifa and Marlene in Advent Children Complete corroborate this, and his profile in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania outright states that his guilt about not being able to protect the people he cares about are what drove him to leave (pg. 38; pg. 40 in the Revised Edition): ---- Now running a delivery business while helping out Tifa with the newly opened ?eSeventh Heaven' bar, Cloud, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel lived together like a family. However, when Cloud contracts Geostigma he disappears. Behind these actions lies feelings of guilt towards his past failure to protect people who were important to him, but through his battle with Kadaj's gang, the legacy of Jenova, he regains the courage to face reality. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ whycloudleft.jpg Japanese text: ---- バー「セブンスヘブン」を開いたティファを手伝いつつ配逹業を営み、 彼女とマリン、デンゼルの4人で家族同然に暮らしていたものの、 星痕症候群を発症して失踪。その行動の陰には大切な者を 守れなかった過去への罪悪感があったが、ジェノバの落とし子である カダージュたちとの戦いを経て、現実を見すえる勇気を取りもどしていく。 ---- ---- Failing to protect people important to him is his sin… Convincing himself of this, Cloud shuts himself off. What does his meeting with Aerith bring him? ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ whycloudleft2.jpg Japanese text: ---- 大切な者を守れなかったのは自分の罪――そう思いこみ、心を閉ざす クラウド。エアリスとの再会は彼に何をもたらす？ ---- Aerith's death, in fact, is identified in her profile from the same book (pg. 50; pg. 52 of the Revised Edition) as "a major factor in causing him to close himself off." As for Aerith herself, she is said there to "live on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet," and "in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to ... protect those dear to him": ---- Two years after returning to the planet, Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet. And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to having been unable protect those dear to him, she was a major factor in causing him to close himself off. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ symbolofguilt.jpg Japanese text: ---- 星に還ってから2年経過してなお、星を救った仲間たちの胸に生きつづ けていたエアリス。とりわけクラウドのなかでは「大切な者を守れなかった罪」 の象徴として、彼の心を閉ざす要因となっていた。 ---- In any event, once Cloud began to believe in himself again and was freed from his guilt over the deaths of Aerith and Zack, he returned to his family. The matter of Cloud's guilt may warrant further analysis, as, in all cases where he speaks of Aerith post-FFVII, it is in the context of guilt. Cloud believed that he sinned in failing to save her. It's guilt rather than romantic yearning emphasized whenever he thinks of her -- at least until he has been freed of those chains by the encouragement he receives in Advent Children, and his realizations about what he must do. Furthermore, whenever this feeling comes up about Aerith, it's always applicable to Zack as well. Whether it be the wolf symbol that represents his guilt appearing in places relevant to both of them, or his flashbacks to the moments before both their deaths when Denzel and Tifa are nearly killed in Advent Children Complete, Zack and Aerith are almost always placed together in Cloud's thoughts. The only exceptions, of course, being his guilt-heavy words to them on an individual basis at the site of Zack's death ("I said I'd live out both our lives. Easy to make that promise") and during Cloud's spiritual reunion with Aerith at the City of the Ancients ("I think ... I want to be forgiven. Mm. More than anything"). Cloud's Japanese voice actor, Takahiro Sakurai, also expressed the understanding that Cloud's guilt applied to both of them. On pg. 15 of the Reunion Files, he said the following: ---- After Cloud was told, "Which is it? A memory or us?: by Tifa, he tells Sephiroth, "Stay where you belong. In my memories," just before he defeats him. I think Cloud finally becomes free at this moment. Deep down, Cloud knew that he shouldn't be so hard on himself, but at the same time he couldn't let go of those feelings of guilt for what happened to Aerith and Zack, or the thought that he could never forgive himself for it. But then his companions made him feel better by telling him to let go. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ guiltsakurai.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティファに「思い出に負けたの？」と言われたクラウドが、「思い出の 中でじっとしていてくれ…」とセフィロスに言う。完全に吹っ切れた 瞬間ですね。多分、自分でも分かってはいたんでしょうけど、エアリスと ザックスへの責任にも似た思いを背負っていかなきゃいけない、自分を 許してはけないと、そう思い込んでいたと思うんです。それをたくさんの 仲間たちが、「もういいんだよ」と楽にさせてくれたんじゃないかなって。 ---- Though Kazushige Nojima stated on pg. 58 of the Reunion Files that "no one other than Aerith can solve that problem for him," pg. 530 of the Ultimania for Dissidia Final Fantasy makes it clear yet again that he was looking to her to confirm he was absolved for both Zack and Aerith's deaths: (pg. 58 of the Reunion Files) ---- As long as Cloud blames himself for Aerith’s death, he won’t be able to move on with his life. One of the first ideas we had for Advent Children was to have Cloud overcome and resolve that immense feeling of guilt. For Cloud, no one other than Aerith can solve that problem for him. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ guiltnojima.jpg Japanese text: ---- エアリスへの責任を咸じている限り、クラウドは前に進めない。それを 解決してあげなきゃという気持ちは「AC」の制作当初からありました。 クラウドの想いって、エアリス以外の誰にも解決できませにょね。 ---- (pg. 530 of the Dissidia Final Fantasy Ultimania; translation by hitoshura) ---- "If I win, are my sins forgiven?" -- Cloud: Battling against Cloud. Cloud continued to regret the deaths of his best friend and comrade, who were dear to him, in FFVII. In AC, he says "I want to be forgiven." ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ forgiven.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「勝てば、俺は許されるのか？」 ―クラウド：クラウドとの対戦時 『FFVII』で大切な親友や仲間を死なせてしまったことを、ずっと 悔いていたクラウド。彼は『FFVIIAC』で「俺は許されたい」と言う。 ---- The most blatant reference to guilt for both Aerith and Zack, other than Takahiro Sakurai’s comment, comes from their shared profile in the Advent Children Complete Post Card Book, published by Square Enix in April 2009: ---- Zack Fair & Aerith Gainsborough People that are unforgettable to Cloud. Zack, “cornered to die because of me,” and Aerith, “who met a sorrowful fate because I couldn’t protect her,” are the “unforgivable sins” within Cloud’s heart; the two are irreplaceable to him. ---- Source scan (courtesy of LHYeung/Xcomp): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ff7zackaerith.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドにとっての忘れられない存在。「自分のせいで死に追いやられた」 ザックス、「自分が守れずに悲しい運命を背負わせてしまった」エアリス という、クラウドの心の中で「許されない罪」になってしまった、かけがえの ない存在だったふたり。 ---- Moving back to Dissidia, in the game itself, even when Cloud mentions "something that happened before" while talking to Terra about his doubts over being able to save anyone, this is applicable to both of those he was unable to save in his past. One of two exceptions to this parallel applicability in Dissidia is the field of flowers that appears in the game's ending. Cloud decides during Dissidia to share Firion's dream of a world filled with flowers, and when he returns to his world, it's in a flower field similar to the one seen at the end of Advent Children. Certainly a reference to Aerith, as was an earlier comment following his final battle of the game with Sephiroth. There, Cloud said, "The one I really want to meet is ..." and trailed off. Given Cloud's desire to see Aerith again and get her forgiveness, however, neither this line nor the field of flowers are necessarily romantic. If anything, Cloud's dream of a field of flowers is the symbol of his redemption for the sins he believed he had committed. It is ultimately in such a field that he meets Aerith in Advent Children, and while there, he says only that he wants her forgiveness. There are no words of romantic longing. Just a desire to receive forgiveness. All that now examined, let us return to the question posed by the anti-Cloti worldview: "Why would Cloud not spend his last days with Tifa if she is the woman he loves? Why is he instead seeking the presence and comfort of another woman?" Ryushikaze and fellow TheLifestream.net forum member Splintered have provided what are, perhaps, the most succinctly elegant responses: (Ryushikaze) ---- It wasn't for comfort. It was for penance. To atone for his failing. To maybe, just maybe, get a cure. Because Cloud started out looking for a cure. He stayed away when it looked like he was going to die without it. Cloud felt he wasn't worthy of his family and the happiness they brought him. He had to do something to be worthy of them, or be forgiven so that he could return to them. Cloud isn't looking for someone else to comfort him, he's looking for something to allow or justify his own happiness to himself. Part of why he initially takes in Denzel is because you can't bring back the dead, but you can take care of those still living. Denzel is Cloud's atonement, the act of justification which allows him to feel happy without feeling guilty. And when Denzel's sickness comes to a head, Cloud looks for a cure- he's not going to fail this time. And then he gets the disease himself. He can't face his family being a burden and a failure. He doesn't want to force them to take care of unworthy him. So he seeks whatever he can to release his guilt to return home. At the absolute root of Cloud's story in AC/C is that happiness of his family life makes him feel guilty, and that he must DO something in order to deserve his happiness. But he's also afraid of screwing things up and ruining everything. Cloud's turning point comes when he realizes that succeeding isn't the requirement. It's trying. Pushing forward, even if you fail. By trying to atone, he's already atoning, already proving his worthiness of that happiness. ---- (Splintered) ---- I never disagreed that Cloud and Aerith shared a strong connection. I also believed that while it never accumulated into an actual romantic relationship, there were strong romantic undertones. That said, Cloud living in Aerith's church was never presented as romantic or even anything good in the Compilation. In fact, Cloud living in Aerith's church represented him running away, wallowing in self-destruction, and -- worst of all -- tarnishing their memories. For another example, look at Cloud visiting Zack's grave. The Buster Sword has rusted, showing he let his feelings of depression taint how he views them. Cloud in Aerith's church is, almost literally, him living in the past. And it's wrong. After his epiphany, when he sorts out his issues and comes to terms with what happened, he rescues the people he lives with now (saving Marlene, Denzel, and Tifa), and he puts those memories back the way they should be: a brightly shined Buster Sword in the church. He no longer lives there in the past, but the trade-off is that he gives the memories the respect they deserve. ---- Before we close this section of our analysis, let us absorb the following insight offered by TheLifestream.net forum member Danseru-kun with regard to the anti-Cloti worldview: ---- Disclaimer: I will not be saying that all Cleriths think like this, but many of their essays and analysis that they publish do. This is the Clerith perspective that a lot of people are having problems with: "Two people were fated to meet and they were perfect for each other, but got torn apart by evil. Their supposedly happy future together has been taken away from them. However, their love is eternal and will never be defeated by death. Though they might be apart, their hearts are close together. It's a beautiful romantic story -- however someone gets in its way: Tifa. Tifa is the real enemy of this love. She's clinging to Cloud even though he sees her as nothing but a friend. She forced him to make a promise, and wants him to be the ideal man she wants. She's selfish and would not accept that Cloud loves Aerith. Though Cloud would never love Tifa, she is causing him pain because she nitpicks his weaknesses and ignores his mourning for his love Aerith. She's claiming that Denzel is their child when he's Aerith and Cloud's. Still, Cloud, being such a good man, still takes care of Tifa and the kids because they need him. Tifa begins to slowly realize that she should just accept that she's only his friend -- and in this way, she'll be happier too. What's worse, a lot of people actually love this Tifa, and Cloti supporters outnumber Clerith. Why can't they see the truth? It's probably because Tifa is so busty and wears revealing clothing that guys want her to be with Cloud. They may look good together, but people aren't seeing past that. They don't see that both these people suffer in that dysfunctional and incompatible relationship. They should wish the best for both: Cloud with Aerith in his heart forever, and Tifa a single mom or Barret's new wife. Worst of all, one site with a good reputation as a source of information claims that Cloti is canon, and many agree with this. It just shows how desperate Clotis are to defeat Clerith." I honestly think that behind those politely written essays, a lot of people think like this. ---- ==== Old Ghosts [5.2356In] Having now firmly gone over what lies at the heart of the anti-Cloti worldview, as well as having determined what an appropriate reading of the material would be, for the sake of being comprehensive, let us now examine an assortment of other common misconceptions found among anti-Cloti arguments. While I am personally not a fan of doing point-counterpoint responses to floating-in-space-type arguments that aren't being attributed to a specific speaker or followers of a particular way of thinking, given that the claims are pervasive, yet few holders of these arguments -- if, indeed, any one specific person -- could be said to subscribe to them all, it's somewhat necessary in this case. Be aware that someone you encounter making one of these claims may not necessarily tout them all. -Claim: Being reminded of the promise he made with Tifa isn't the reason Cloud continued working with AVALANCHE for the second bombing mission. He only did it for the money, not because the promise actually mattered to him. Response: While Cloud did demand money for assisting in the next mission, according to pg. 71 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, the real reason he stayed was the promise: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Promise on the water tower The memory of Cloud and Tifa exchanging promises on the water tower 7 years ago has a vital significance when searching for "Cloud's true self" in the Lifestream. Also, the promise to "come to Tifa's rescue if she is in trouble" forms the reason for Cloud assisting AVALANCHE in this scene, but he has in fact already fulfilled this promise 5 years ago in the Nibel mako reactor. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ promiseuo_zpsf9bb13fa.jpg Japanese text: ---- 給水塔での約束 7年前、ティファとクラウドが給水塔で約束を交わした思い出は、 ライフストリーム内で「クラウド自身」を探るさいに重要な意味を持つ。また、 「ティファがピンチになったら助けに行く」との約束は、この場面ではクラウドが アバランチに協力する理由になっているが、じつは5年前のニブル魔晄炉 ですでに果たされているのだ。 ---- == -Claim: Cloud saying "I think I can meet her...there" during the ending of the original game, even while Tifa was right there, shows that he is in love with Aerith rather than Tifa. That he was talking about Aerith here is confirmed by pg. 27 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: ---- After settling things with Sephiroth, Tifa attempts to escape with Cloud from the crumbling hole at the Great Northern Cave's extreme depths. Getting something of a hunch as to understanding the Promised Land's meaning, he thinks he can meet someone ... In response, she smiles and says "Yeah, let's go meet her." The person they're talking about meeting is, of course, Aerith. As for the Promised Land ... ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ meetaerith_zps79120c5a.jpg Japanese text: ---- セフィロスとの決着をつけたのち、くずれつつある大空洞の最深部の穴から クラウドとふたりで脱出をはかるティファ。"約束の地"の意味がわかったような 気がする、そこで会 えると思う……と言うクラウドに向かって、彼女は微笑み 「会いに行こう」と語る。会いに行く相手は、もちろんエアリス。そして "約束の地"……。 ---- To be talking about another woman while Tifa is hanging right there on his arm is hardly an indication that he wants to be with Tifa. It suggests the opposite. Notice also that in this passage on pg. 126 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 128 of the Revised Edition) -- from that book's Story Playback section for Advent Children -- that Cloud is said to have "a sense of yearning" in the scene where he is finally reunited with Aerith in a field of flowers: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ senseofyearning_zps25dbd7f6.jpg Cloud's desire to see Aerith again once his nemesis was vanquished -- and even though he still has Tifa -- coupled with a declaration that he had a yearning for her when reunited with her tells us everything we need to know about his feelings. Response: While Cloud was most certainly talking about Aerith at the bottom of the Northern Crater, pg. 203 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega also explains that Cloud was having a conversation with Tifa about getting to be reunited with those who have died when they themselves die and return to the Lifestream: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Goodbye to Bugenhagen When Red XIII refers to Bugenhagen's passing away as him having "gone on a journey," the team realize what has happened and answer that they "might meet him again somewhere." If all people return to the Lifestream in the end, then they will in fact see Bugenhagen again someday. This line of thinking also shows up in Cloud and Tifa's dialogue in the ending. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ bugenhagenfarewell_zps74c31d49.jpg Japanese text: ---- ブーゲンハーゲンとの別れ 永眠したブーゲンハーゲンを「旅に出た」と表現するレッドXIIIに、 事情を察したクラウドたちは「どこかで会えるかも」と応じる。人がみな 最後はライフストリームへ還るというなら、実際、ブーゲンハーゲンともい ずれかならず会うことになるのだろう。このような考えかたは、 エンディングでのクラウドとティファのやり取り（→P.206）にも現れている。 ---- In other words, Cloud was expressing hope and positivity even in the face of the possibility that humanity would be wiped out by Holy. While his line obviously expressed a sentiment on Cloud's part to see Aerith again -- a desire that continued through Dissidia Final Fantasy and On the Way to a Smile into Advent Children -- he was already feeling guilt over her death and wanting absolution from it by that time. In Case of Tifa, even as he stood on the Highwind watching the Lifestream and Holy defeat Meteor, he was already speaking of a need to be forgiven: ---- "I'm going to live. I'll never be forgiven unless I do." ---- Source scans (official English translation and Japanese): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot1a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ beforgiven_zps1717b7ee.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?「俺は生き残ってやる。そうすることでしか、許されないと思うんだ。」 ---- This was said the same evening as his line from the bottom of the Northern Crater. As for the quote about Cloud having a "sense of yearning" for Aerith when she appeared to him on his way to the Forgotten Capital, that is a rather significant mistranslation. Here follows a more accurate take on those words: ---- DVD & UMD CHAPTER 9 In the place where sorrow doesn't heal Violent sparks fly in the Ancient capital, where sadness holds dominion With the Forgotten Capital ahead of him, Cloud has a vision. Behind him, he feels a nostalgic presence and hears that gentle, innocent voice, unchanged from that time ?? "Why did you come?" Being so asked, Cloud gives voice to the desire within his heart (34). To that, the voice responds with amusement (35). "By who?" ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ senseofyearning_zps25dbd7f6.jpg Japanese text: ---- DVD & UMD CHAPTER 9 悲嘆癒えぬ地で 悲しみに覆われた古代種の都に激しく火花は散る 忘らるる都を前にクラウドは幻影を見る。背中越しに感じる懐かしい 気配と、あのころと変わらない無邪気な、優しい声--。 「どうして来たのかな？」 問いかけられ、クラウドは胸の内にしまた願いを口にする（34）。その 答えに、声のはおかしそうに言う（35）。 「誰に？」 ---- == -Claim: The scene in Final Fantasy VII's ending when Cloud and Aerith reach out to one another within the Lifestream is, perhaps, the game's most romantic. Building off that, the most romantic physical contact Cloud has with either Aerith or Tifa is the scene in Advent Children where Cloud and Aerith actually do take one another's hand while he battles Bahamut SIN. Not only is holding hands traditionally associated with romantic couples unless it involves small children or life-and-death situations, but the fact that the scene in Advent Children is paying homage to the similar scene in the original game makes it romantic in light of Cloud and Aerith's relationship. Kazushige Nojima specified on pp. 112-113 of the Reunion Files that the scene from Advent Children was designed in homage of that from the original game's ending, per director Tetsuya Nomura's wishes: ---- The ending scene of the battle with Bahamut, the scene where Aerith reaches out her hand, is homage to the last scene from a previous production. It was Tetsuya (Nomura)'s idea. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rf112.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rf113.jpg Japanese text: ---- バハムート戦の最後にあるエアリスの手がさしのべられるシーンは、前作の ラストからのオマージュですが、これは野村のアイデアですね。 ---- If Nomura personally felt that the scene between Aerith and Cloud from Final Fantasy VII's ending should be honored with such an homage in Advent Children, it is clearly different in its narrative value and its meaning for Cloud and Aerith from those times Cloud holds hands with his other comrades. Not only would Cloud's developers not depict him in such contact with his male comrades, but Tifa herself gets no such scenes with him. In this way, Square has established holding hands as a very special piece of imagery between Cloud and Aerith alone. Furthermore, even without that extra layer of analysis, on its own, the scene is a touching, if bittersweet, moment. Cloud wasn't able to take Aerith's hand at the end of Final Fantasy VII, but was finally able to during Advent Children. It also bears pointing out that the framing of the shot when Cloud takes Aerith's hand matches that of shots for similar scenes involving other canon Square Enix couples -- Kairi and Sora in Kingdom Hearts, Tidus and Yuna in FFX, and Snow and Serah in FFXIII: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach50.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach3.png Response: First, one simply must ask how the scenes where Cloud and Aerith extend their hands to one another are more romantic contact than whatever physical contact Cloud and Tifa shared beneath the Highwind at the end of Disc 2. That addressed, Cloud most certainly has had comparable moments involving Tifa, if not his male companions as well. The homage in Advent Children may have been to a scene only between Cloud and Aerith in the original game, but the new scene itself still involves all of Cloud's comrades and serves as commentary about how they are all there for him and still support him -- they are not there as cheerleaders for a grand romantic moment between Cloud and Aerith, as the populace of Besaid were when Tidus and Yuna were reunited in FFX-2's ending. For that matter, it is *during* the homage that Cloud has comparable scenes with Tifa and even his male companions. Aerith is not singled out for this scene. During the Relay Battle against Bahamut SIN, Cloud grasps hands with Barret, Vincent and Tifa: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach7.jpg He even briefly smiles (for the first time in the film) as he sees Tifa coming to support him: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudsmiles.jpg Moving on, if the context of Cloud and Aerith's relationship makes the reach for one another inherently romantic, then what does this say about the similar scenes involving Cloud and Tifa? Does every scene involving Cloud and Aerith suddenly become romantic by default, even when he's asking her forgiveness for letting her die or beating her up while under Sephiroth's control? Also being overlooked here is a common denominator involving every single instance of characters reaching their hands out to one another in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII: They are all life-and-death situations, not romantic strolls through a park. Both of those occasions when Cloud and Aerith extended their hands toward one another were life-and-death situations in which he was about to die. In fact, all such scenes involving Cloud and his comrades in AVALANCHE are life-and-death situations, including those with Tifa. Let us review every single instance of characters extending their hands to one another like this in titles bearing Final Fantasy VII's name. We'll begin with those involving Cloud and Aerith. The first time, she was trying to draw him back to the waking world after he had defeated Sephiroth in FFVII's ending, guiding his attention to Tifa's hand -- and just in time too, as the ground under his feet was about to crumble away. The second time, she was -- as we have gone over at length -- assisting Cloud in his battle with Bahamut SIN, just like the rest of his comrades. Neither of these situations are romantic, nor does the people involved in them instantly make them so. Now, let's move on to Cloud's scenes with Tifa. In the first of these, she is calling out to him to get away from the same danger Aerith was trying to lead him away from. In the second, she was, like Aerith, assisting Cloud in his battle with Bahamut SIN. Again, nothing romantic here. Likewise when Cloud took Barret and Vincent's hands during the same battle the two women assisted him with. While still on the subject of Advent Children, the scene where Aerith shows up to comfort the dying Kadaj and escort him to the Lifestream is not only decidedly lacking in romance, but Kadaj's scene of salvation also calls back to the extension of hands between Cloud and his comrades when Kadaj takes Aerith's hand. Further, while it was Nomura's idea to include the homage to FFVII's ending, it was apparently also his idea to include this scene between Aerith and Kadaj, per pp. 116-117 of the Reunion Files: ---- "Initially, the church scene was placed immediately after Sephiroth's defeat. None of the sequences with Kadaj were there, such as the scene where Kadaj feels Aerith's presence and disappears into the rain. We wanted to make Kadaj someone who also needed salvation. I'm glad that this part made it into the movie." (Nomura) ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rf116.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rf117.jpg Japanese text: ---- 最初、セフィロスを倒したら、いきなり教会のシーンだったんですよ。カダージュ との一連のからみは一切なく、カダージュが雨に打たれて消えていくのも、 そこでエアリスを感じるシーンもなかったんです。カダージュ逹も救われなき ゃならない存在。それは無理を言って足してもらって良かったなと思います （野村） ---- These scenes aren't about romance. They're about support and comfort. Just look how similar Kadaj's death scene is to Zack's passing, where Angeal's spirit descends from the sky to lift him up like Aerith would later do for Kadaj: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach34.jpg For good measure, also take note of the scene in the original game when Barret and Dyne extended hands to one another as Dyne fell over a canyon's edge while under fire from Shin-Ra soldiers: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach35.jpg Again, if you're looking for something romantic in this life-and-death situation (yet another one), you will be disappointed. Romance simply doesn't have much of a claim to scenes in Final Fantasy where characters extend hands to one another. Even characters who have actually been involved in these sequences with their canon romantic partners have been involved in similar scenes that didn't involve those partners or another romantic interest. For Final Fantasy VII alone, this is true of Cloud, the character at the heart of this entire discussion, but it hardly ends with him. Let's now take a look over an exhaustive list of such scenes in the Final Fantasy series, as well as Kingdom Hearts, noting for each entry along the way whether physical contact was made, whether one or both parties extended their hand to the other, and whether the situation was life-threatening. -Sora and Kairi (x2) *First time: during the ending to the first KH; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach26.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach27.jpg *Second time: during the ending to KHII; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach28.jpg -Sora and Riku (x3) *First time: during the metaphorical opening sequence of the first KH game; no contact; mutual extension http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach29.jpg *Second time: during the metaphorical opening sequence of the first KH game; no contact; mutual extension http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach30.jpg *Third time: immediately before Sora receives the Keyblade; no contact; mutual extension; both being swallowed by Darkness for real http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach31.jpg -Celes and Locke (x2) *First time: as the World of Balance is destroyed; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach32.jpg *Second time: during the ending; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach33.jpg -Celes and Setzer *During the ending in the event the player never recruited Locke back into the party; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssf365.jpg -Cloud and Aerith (x2) *First time: during FFVII's ending; no contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach36.jpg *Second time: during the Bahamut SIN battle in Advent Children; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach44.jpg -Cloud and Tifa (x3) *First time: when mako reactor no. 5 explodes; no contact; extension only by Tifa (Cloud was unable to); life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach39.jpg *Second time: during FFVII's ending; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach37.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach38.jpg *Third time: during the Bahamut SIN battle in Advent Children; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach7.jpg -Cloud and Barret *During the Bahamut SIN battle in Advent Children; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach4.jpg -Cloud and Vincent *During the Bahamut SIN battle in Advent Children; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach5.jpg -Cloud and Zack *First time: in Cloud's flashbacks of Zack from Crisis Core's ending; no contact confirmed; extension confirmed only by Zack; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach65.jpg *Second time: just before Zack's final stand outside Midgar; no contact; extension only by Cloud; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach48.jpg -Aerith and Kadaj *When Kadaj dies; "physical" contact; mutual extension; both parties already dead http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach6.jpg -Angeal and Zack *During Crisis Core's ending; "physical" contact; mutual extension; both parties already dead http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach34.jpg -Barret and Dyne *During Barret's second flashback about Corel's destruction at Shin-Ra's hands; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach35.jpg -Squall and Rinoa *At the end of Disc 1; no contact; extension only by Rinoa; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach40.jpg -Two Zanarkand Abes players *During the opening cinematic in Dream Zanarkand; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach49.jpg -Tidus and Yuna (x2) *First time: When Sin attacks the S.S. Liki on its way from Besaid to Kilika; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach51.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach52.jpg *Second time: At the Macalania Spring after their escape from Bevelle; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach41.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach42.jpg -Tidus and Jassu *When Sin attacks the S.S. Liki on its way from Besaid to Kilika; no contact; extension only by Tidus; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach53.jpg -Tidus and Jecht (x2) *First time: Just before the fight against Braska's Final Aeon; no contact; extension only by Tidus; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach54.jpg *Second time: During the ending; "physical" contact; mutual extension; both parties already dead http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach43.jpg -Snow and Serah (x4) *First time: During their attempted escape from Bhodum on Day 12 in FFXIII; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach45.jpg *Second time: Just before Serah and Noel journey through a Time Gate after she has been reunited with Snow on the Sunleth Waterscape in -300 AF- (the dialogue and blocking differ somewhat depending on whether the player first accesses the Time Gate to the Coliseum or to the Archlyte Steppe); physical contact; extension only by Serah; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach17.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach18.jpg *Third time: During the Future is Hope Paradox Ending; physical contact; extension only by Snow; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach24.jpg *Fourth time: At the end of the Future is Hope Paradox Ending; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach25.jpg -Snow and Nora Estheim (x2) *First time: At the beginning of FFXIII, after Nora saves Snow; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach46.jpg *Second time: At the beginning of FFXIII, during Nora's death sequence; physical contact; extension only by Snow; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach47.jpg -Vanille and Hope *During the group's approach to Gran Pulse in FFXIII; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach60.jpg -Snow and Vanille/Hope *First time: just before the party battles Bahamut; physical contact; extension by all; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach66.jpg *Second time: as they fall toward Gran Pulse; no contact; extension only by Snow; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach61.jpg -Lightning and Fang *As they fall toward Gran Pulse; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach62.jpg -Snow and Lightning/Sazh *During FFXIII's ending; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach55.jpg -Hope and Sazh/Lightning *During FFXIII's ending; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach56.jpg -Snow and Fang/Vanille *During FFXIII's ending; no contact; extension only by Snow; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach57.jpg -Fang and Vanille *During FFXIII's ending; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach58.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach59.jpg -Serah and Noel (x7) *First time: Just before the first Time Gate appears in New Bodhum early in FFXIII-2; physical contact; extension only by Noel; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach13.jpg *Second time: In the Void Beyond, just before they discover the spacetime distortion that unlocks Academia -400 AF- and Serendipity; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach19.jpg *Third time: Right after destroying the demi-fal'Cie, Adam; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach20.jpg *Fourth time: Immediately after Alyssa's betrayal and just before their separation in the Void Beyond; no contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach8.jpg *Fifth time: Just before they battle Gogmagog for the final time in the Mirror World; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach11.jpg *Sixth time: During FFXIII-2's ending, as Serah and Noel return from Valhalla; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach12.jpg *Seventh time: During FFXIII-2's ending, as Serah dies; physical contact; mutual extension; Serah dying http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach64.jpg -Hope and Serah (x3) *First time: When they're reunited on the Yaschas Massif in -010 AF-; physical contact; extension only by Hope; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach15.jpg *Second time: Just before he shows the Oracle Drive to Serah and Noel; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach16.jpg *Third time: In Academia -4XX AF-, shortly after destroying the demi-fal'Cie; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach23.jpg -Lightning and Noel *Their first meeting, at the beginning of the game; physical contact; mutual extension; life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach14.jpg -Noel and Alyssa *In Academia -4XX AF-, shortly after destroying the demi-fal'Cie; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach22.jpg -Noel and Hope *Just before Alyssa's betrayal comes to light; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach21.jpg -Serah and Alyssa *Just before Alyssa's betrayal comes to light; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach21.jpg -Serah and (fake) Lightning (x2) *First time: In the Mirror World; no contact; mutual extension; illusionary world designed to trap Serah http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach9.jpg *Second time: In the Mirror World; no contact; extension only by (fake) Lightning); illusionary world designed to trap Serah http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach10.jpg -Zidane and Kuja *As Kuja dies during Cycle 013 in Dissidia/Dissidia 012; physical contact; mutual extension; non-life-threatening http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ handreach63.jpg Who knew what an intricate web of romance FF really weaved? Despite being engaged to Snow and having two games with him now, Serah has several more scenes of hands being extended with Noel in the course of a single game -- and that's even if one allows both scenarios on the Sunleth Waterscape to be counted separately for Snow. For that matter, several of Noel and Serah's moments actually amount to holding hands just because they want to, which has otherwise been associated in this debate with romance. If these scenes really are narrative shorthand for "These characters romantically love one another," then Serah and Noel would have the grandest, most expressive love of all. When she dies, Noel even holds Serah's body against his, screams her name at the sky, caresses her cheek, strokes her hair and grieves over her -- as Cloud did Aerith's body with regard to at least a few of these. Despite all this, Serah and Noel are not romantic partners, nor is so much as a romantic attraction between them ever implied. On pg. 10 of the FFXIII-2 Ultimania Omega guidebook, Noel and and Serah are only described as "partners" (?p?[?g?i?[) while Serah and Snow are still described as "koibitos" (恋人) -- meanwhile, Yuel is identified as Noel's "taisetsu na sonzai" (大切な存在), or "important person": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ YRYAo.jpg Added to that, Yeul is referred to as Noel's koibito on pg. 18 of the same book: (translation by hitoshura) ---- "Your time-gazing friend" Noel, a descendant of the Farseer tribe, has heard about Valhalla and the gates from Yeul, the Farseer maiden from his time and his lover. Because Lightning also knows this, she is hinting at Yeul with the expression "your time-gazing friend." ---- Source photo (courtesy of hitoshura): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ noelkoibitoyeul.png Japanese text: ---- 「時を視る彼女」 時詠みの一族の末裔であるノエルは、ヴァルハラやゲートについて、 同時代の時詠みの巫女であり恋人だったユールがら聞いていた。 ライトニングもそれを知っているため、「時を視る彼女」という表現でユールの ことを示唆している。 ---- Yes, Serah and Snow, Kairi and Sora, and Tidus and Yuna share shots of extended hands that match a shot between Aerith and Cloud in Advent Children. However, the Final Fantasy developers -- specifically Motomu Toriyama (event director of FFX; director of FFXIII and FFXIII-2) and Tetsuya Nomura (director of Advent Children, Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II) -- use that same way of framing characters reaching toward one another over and over, and not just for romantic couples. Yes, it was done for the three couples identified above -- but it was also done for Sora and Riku in addition to Serah and Noel (twice), and even Tidus and Jecht. Tidus, Sora and Serah can't prove there's a rule while simultaneously being exceptions to it. Really, what would that make of Tidus and Jecht's similar shot in FFX's ending? Or the fact that neither Squall and Rinoa nor Dagger and Zidane ever have a comparable scene? What, too, do we make of the fact that when Serah and Noel hold hands before the battle with Gogmagog that they are positioned and spinning just like when Tidus and Yuna hold hands in the Macalania Spring? Should we even make anything of it? If extending their hands to one another in a life-threatening situation where death was imminent for one of the parties participating and numerous others is supposed to be the most romantic CloudxAerith moment, then what is this casserole of nonsense that we have gone over above? The fact that such a detailed breakdown as all this is even necessary just underscores how absurd the debate has gotten. == -Claim: There is an ongoing theme in the Final Fantasy series in which a character loses someone they were in love with and does not seek to replace them. Instead of moving on and abandoning the memory of the deceased, they hold onto it and honor them. We see this in Final Fantasy IV with Edward, who loses his love Anna. She dies protecting him and he goes on to rule the kingdom of Damcyan alone. We see this in Final Fantasy VII with Vincent, Barret, Elmyra and Dyne. Vincent lost Lucrecia, whom he still mourns more than 20 years later in Dirge of Cerberus. Barret and Dyne lost their wives -- Myrna and Eleanor respectively -- three years before the events of FFVII, but neither has remarried by the time the game is over, nor has Barret remarried by the time of Dirge of Cerberus, an additional three years later. Elmyra's husband died in the Wutai War 15 years before FFVII, yet we never hear of her remarrying. We see this theme again in Final Fantasy VIII, where Laguna's wife, Raine, has been dead for 17 years while he has gone unmarried ever since. As the president of Esthar, the world's largest and most powerful nation, certainly he could have found another wife if he had wanted to. We see this with Yuna in Final Fantasy X-2. As a dream of the fayth, Tidus faded away two years earlier at the end of Final Fantasy X, but Yuna has not stopped searching for him -- much like Cloud continues searching for Aerith in Advent Children's credits, two years after the end of FFVII. Finally, and along those same lines, Final Fantasy XII's Ashe lost her husband, Rasler, to the battlefield two years before the main events of that game -- yet, in the end, she will hang onto his memory alone. Even after she has reclaimed her homeland and become queen, she decides to remain alone. Square is trying to tell us something, if we would but listen. Romance continues beyond death. Response: Before we get started, it simply must be pointed out that Aerith herself -- the dead figure at the center of this matter with Cloud -- moves on from her loss of Zack, and that she did so in no short period of time herself. For five years, she continued sending letters to him before finally deciding she would move on with her life. She can hardly be at the center of what is supposedly the leading example of this proposed theme in the Final Fantasy series when she herself didn't conform to it with her own behavior. Already, this supposed theme stands on shaky ground in our analysis. It finds itself with even less support when considering Final Fantasy VI's Locke, perhaps the Final Fantasy series' best example of one who has lost the recipient of their romantic affection, for Locke lost his beloved Rachel to both amnesia and death years before the events of Final Fantasy VI. However, he too eventually moves on -- with her blessing and at her request, no less -- with Celes. Those points made, it is a fair and accurate observation that someone in Laguna's position could have easily remarried had he wished to. However, that said, he is perhaps not only the sole example of this theme to be found in the Final Fantasy series, but he is also a counterpoint to it. Before he met Raine, Laguna was in love with Julia Heartilly, mother of Rinoa Heartilly -- the young woman who eventually ends up romantically involved with Laguna's son, Squall. However, after Julia marries Rinoa's father, Laguna moves on and finds love with Raine. Again, this purported theme has no leg to stand on. Next up for consideration, how do Barret and Myrna serve as an example of romance continuing beyond death? So he hasn't remarried in the three years between her death and the beginning of Final Fantasy VII -- while he's been leading a terrorist cell and barely managing to take care of the infant that was left in his care. How are we supposed to conclude from this that the idea of remarrying isn't something he would ever consider? He didn't exactly have time for both casual dating and leading a clandestine, violent lifestyle while simultaneously taking care of a young child. Even after FFVII, Barret's life is far from stable. He not only has a host of personal demons to bury, but he doesn't even feel fit to be a father to Marlene at this time, which is why he leaves her in Cloud and Tifa's care in the first place. He is hardly in a good place to get a potential love interest mixed up in his personal baggage. For that matter, neither Barret nor Elmyra are ever depicted addressing the topic of romance. For all we know, Barret would love to have another wife once he sorts out all of his personal problems. Along those same lines, for all we know, Elmyra dated numerous men while raising Aerith -- or she may have wanted to yet dated none because she didn't feel comfortable bringing strange men into her home around the young girl she was raising. The latter is not an unlikely scenario, particularly given where they lived, but the first isn't out of the question either. The point is this: We simply don't know, so using either character as an example of a contentious theme is a presumption rising to the level of fabrication. As for Dyne, he's not a good example of anything save a self-loathing, criminally insane individual with aspirations to drown the world in fire. He wanted to kill everyone on the planet, including his four-year-old daughter, so it's little wonder that he hadn't charmed some other lady into being his wife. While one would probably be tempted to argue his insanity as proof of his ongoing devotion to the wife he lost, it does bear pointing out that he believed his daughter to have burned to death as well -- and that he also lost his entire town, including friends, family and any support network he may have had that usually helps a person cope with great loss. And on top of all that pain he already had to deal with, he must have blamed himself at least a little for having ever given up his opposition to Shin-Ra building a mako reactor near Corel. As for Vincent Valentine, while he certainly didn't move on with his life in any timely fashion, at no point in any Compilation of FFVII title is this portrayed as a positive thing. Lucrecia herself hoped for only one thing: that Vincent would live on. For that matter, following his finally coming to terms with everything from his past in Dirge of Cerberus, Vincent does finally appear ready to move on with his life. Maybe this will include romance, maybe it won't. If he decides it will, the story to Dirge of Cerberus has already provided him with Shelke, a young woman with Lucrecia's memories and feelings for Vincent. Ashe from FFXII is a poor example of "romance continuing beyond death" for much the same reasons as Barret. Her life after Rasler's death was a nigh-untenable disaster. Her father was murdered soon after, her kingdom conquered, and she herself would spend two years living in hiding, pretending to be dead while plotting revenge and the liberation of her people from Archadian rule. There isn't a logical juncture in this time period where she should have begun receiving suitors. Even in the year that followed before the events of FFXII's sequel, Revenant Wings, she had a kingdom to rebuild. Perhaps Ashe will never love another romantically, but the periods of her life which we have gotten to see don't lend themselves to drawing that conclusion, particularly for a young queen who was only 20 years old the last time we saw her. As young as she is and as dedicated to her duty as Dalmascan royalty as she is, it is extremely unlikely that she won't marry again, if only for political purposes. For that matter, her marriage to Rasler was also a political marriage; she simply happened to actually fall in love with him. Moving forward, FFX-2's Yuna didn't spend the entirety of the more-than-two years after Tidus's death looking for him. She only began searching for him following the events of FFX: The Eternal Calm, a full two years later, when Rikku brought her a sphere that contained a recording of a man who looked and sounded like Tidus. Only when she believed that he might be alive did Yuna seek a reunion with him. As with Vincent from FFVII, Yuna didn't do much of anything with her life after FFX. However, this had to do with more than just losing Tidus. It had as much to do with her shame and regret over how they had to destroy Sin at the sacrifice of multiple people. Once more, her languishing in the past was not portrayed positively, and all of FFX-2 was about moving on, for Spira and for herself. In the end, she does move on, deciding the story of her life will be a good one -- and only then is she reunited with Tidus after growing as a person. The actual theme, if one is to be found as relates to life and love after death, is that of moving on with one's life. Edward's entire personal subplot in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years is about him moving on from the past. Initially, he is miserable and unable to let go, sure. An NPC in Kaipo will remark that "King Edward makes regular visits to Tellah and Anna's gravesite, you know. I see him there all the time." He is also unable to find rest, often losing much sleep. Even 17 years after Anna's death, he has been mired in the past. However, his female assistant, Harley, gradually comes to mean a great deal to him, as he does to her. As he worries about Harley early on in Star-Crossed Damcyan -- Edward's personal chapter of The After Years -- he has a very important dream: ---- Chancellor: "Your Highness? I suppose you did not get a great deal of sleep last night, either. Please, try to get some rest." Edward: "I will. Thank you, Chancellor." Chancellor: "Goodnight, Your Highness." ::The Chancellor leaves:: Edward: (Anna...Tellah) ::Eventually, Edward tries to sleep and dreams that he is in Kaipo, where he had seen Anna's spirit shortly after her death 17 years before:: Edward: "Why...why am I here?" ::Anna appears over the lake:: Edward: "Anna!" Anna: (Edward...) Edward: "What is it, Anna?" Anna: (...) Edward: "Why must you look so sad?" Anna: (...) ::Anna fades away and Edward wakes up:: Edward: "Anna?" (...) ---- As Edward visits the graves of Anna and Tellah later in the chapter, the following scene takes place: ---- Edward: "Anna...Tellah... It's been quite a while, hasn't it?" ::Edward begins playing his harp; Anna's spirit appears:: Edward: "Anna..." Anna: ... Edward: "Anna... Why must you be so sad?" Anna: ... ::Anna fades away:: Edward: "Anna!?" (What are you trying to tell me, Anna?) ::Edward begins walking away, but a voice stops him:: "What, can't you tell?" ::Tellah's spirit appears:: Edward: "Tellah!" Tellah: "Anna wants you to live, Edward." Edward: "What? What do you mean? I'm as alive as I've ever been." Tellah: "Hah hah hah!" Edward: ? Tellah: "Try asking your own heart about that one." Edward: "What?" Tellah: "Got that?" ::Tellah disappears:: Edward: "Tellah..." ::Edward looks down:: Edward: "My own heart..." ---- Soon thereafter, Edward acquires a Sand Pearl to save Harley's life -- just as Cecil did for Rosa 17 years earlier: ---- Edward: "Harley!" ::He shines the light of the Sand Pearl on Harley, who was suffering from desert fever:: Harley: "Ngh...Ugh..." ::She awakens:: Harley: "Your Highness..." Edward: "Harley! Thank goodness I made it in time..." Harley: "My deepest apologies. This is all my fault..." Edward: "No, Harley. You did...nothing wrong..." ::Edward collapses:: Harley: "Your Highness!" ::The screen fades out, then back in, this time with Harley watching over Edward as he awakens:: Edward: "Nnngh..." Harley: "Your Highness! You're awake!" Male Kaipo resident: "Luckily, this doesn't look like a case of desert fever to me." Edward: "Now it's my turn, is it... I apologize for worrying you." Harley: "You've gone halfway around the world for me, my lord. Why did you put yourself through this?" Male Kaipo resident: "You're the one who's pushing herself too hard here, my lady. You've just recovered from the illness yourself, and yet here you are, staying up all night by his side." Edward: "What?" Harley: "You promised me you wouldn't tell him!" Edward: "Harley, you didn't have to do that." Harley: "O-of course I did. You brought me the sand pearl, and...er, I mean, it is my duty as your secretary, my lord..." Edward: "Thank you, Harley." ---- Afterward, an elderly lady in Kaipo will make the following observation: "You know, something just like this happened here long ago. And what's more, I hear those two have since become king and queen of Baron. Imagine that! You better take good care of that girl, understand?" The point being made here for the narrative is quite obvious. Continuing with the story of The After Years in its final chapter, in the Lunar Subterrene, Harley and Edward will have the following conversation as they near the game's final battle, illuminating that even the tragedies in our past are necessary components of the present in which we must live: ---- ::Edward sits silently with his harp:: Edward: ... ::Harley approaches him:: Harley: "My lord." ::Edward turns to face her:: Edward: "Harley?" Harley: "I know it is late... but I was wondering if I might be able to hear a song tonight." Edward: "A song?" Harley: "Yes." ::He turns away:: Edward: "I... was thinking about giving up the harp, actually." Harley: "What?" Edward: "One cannot create music when one's heart is in a state as chaotic as mine." Harley: "Chaotic, my lord?" ::He turns again:: Edward: "Harley, a bard is a man who spins the threads of the past into a musical melody. And yet I, myself, have yet to come to terms with my past experiences. Not even now." Harley: "Well...what makes you think that matters at all?" Edward: "Mmm?" Harley: "People are soothed by your song, my lord.. They learn from it, and they are emboldened by it. I am no exception to that." Edward: "Harley..." Harley: "My lord... Do you still wish to put yourself down? Ignoring everything you've accomplished, even now?" Edward: "Not like that, no." Harley: "You know well, of course, that I lost both of my parents in the last war." Edward: ... Harley: "But I still found hope in my life to keep on living... thanks to your song." Edward: "Harley..." Harley: "If the past had been any different from what it turned out to be... Then this moment, this instant in time would be irrevocably changed, I imagine, from what we have right now. So that is why I ask you..." Edward: "You are right..." ---- Having now taken those words to heart, in the ending, Edward demonstrates his own growth in remarking that the Wind Crystal has evolved -- right before thanking Anna and Tellah, then walking away from a room in which their spirits appear: ---- Harley: "So the Crystal is the same as always?" Edward: "Indeed. I cannot help but think that our Crystal is different...different from all the other Crystals the Creator has made." Harley: "How so, my lord?" Edward: "Our nation believes in this Crystal, yes...but it would have taken more than that for it to recover its light." Harley: "...Are you sugggesting that the Crystal itself is evolving, too?" Edward: "Perhaps. Perhaps it has responded to the evolution we ourselves carry in our hearts... I would like to believe that, anyway." "Your Majesty!" ::The Chancellor runs in:: Chancellor: "There you are! Ah, and Harley, too!" Edward: "What is it, Chancellor?" Chancellor: "Have you obtained the material we were discussing earlier?" Edward: "Harley?" Harley: "Yes, my lord. I have made all the necessary arrangements." Edward: "Well done." Chancellor: "Thank you, my lord." ::The three of them begin to leave, but Edward hesitates for a moment and turns back:: Edward: "Anna... Tellah... from the bottom oh my heart, I thank you both!" ::As Edward leaves the room, their images appear; the screen fades to black:: ---- The presence of Anna and Tellah's spirits in a room that Edward is leaving serves as a metaphor to the viewer for Edward moving on with his life, which he will now likely do with another woman he has come to deeply love. And what of Lulu from FFX and X-2? She was in love with Chappu, who died prior to the events of FFX. During the game, while observing Chappu's spirit on the Farplane, she acknowledges that she has been stuck in the past and bids Chappu farewell: ---- Lulu: "He is dead, and I am still alive. Coming here really makes that clear. I should focus more on what I have to do now." ::She laughs:: Tidus: "What?" Lulu: "I'm not even sure what I'm saying." Tidus: "Don't you mean that you should leave Chappu behind? I'm sure he was a great guy, but there'll be others." Lulu: "Hmm... That's a possibility." Tidus: "How about... Wakka?" Lulu: "What, me? With Wakka?" Tidus: "Yeah, you two get along great!" Lulu: "Getting along isn't enough. Not even close." Tidus: "Oh, sorry. My mistake." Lulu: "You'd do well to remember that. Knowing a bit about women might come in handy some day." Tidus: "Yeah, I'll remember." Lulu: "I won't be forgetting either. Goodbye, Chappu. You always said I looked grumpy. But those were the happiest days of my life." ---- After FFX, Lulu finally moves on with her life and marries Wakka, Chappu's brother. Just like Vincent, Yuna, Edward and Lulu, Cloud dragging his past around is communicated to the fans of the Compilation to be a very negative thing, destructive for himself and hurtful for those who love him. Aerith herself tells him to move on. Perhaps it's time a segment of the fandom did as well. == -Claim: Aerith knew Cloud better than Tifa thanks to her Cetra abilities. Multiple Ultimania passages tell us how her powers allowed her to see past Cloud's muddled psyche to his true persona. First, let's look at pg. 29 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega guide: ---- Searching for the Real Cloud "I'm searching for you"; "So you don't have a breakdown" -- her words to Cloud carry various deep meanings. Although it hasn't been long since they met, she perceives that the current Cloud is not his natural self. Could this also be because of the wondrous powers she inherited? [Screenshot caption below image of Aerith in Cloud's dream of the Sleeping Forest] Appearing in Cloud's dream, she departs with words of concern for Cloud's crumbling mind in this memorable scene. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithperceives2_zpscf5941e3.jpg Japanese text: ---- 本当のクラウドを探して 「あなたを探してる」「自分が壊れてしまわないように」――彼女のクラウドへの 言葉は意味深なものが多い。出会って間もないのに、目の前のクラウドが 本来の彼ではないと見抜いたようだ。それもまた、生まれ持った不思議な 力によるのだろうか。 [Screenshot caption below image of Aerith in Cloud's dream of the Sleeping Forest] クラウドの夢に現れ、クラウドの心の崩壊を気にする言葉を残して去る 印象的な場面。 ---- Next, pg. 31 of the same guide book: ---- "......first off, it bothered me how you looked exactly alike. Two completely different people, but look exactly the same. The way you walk, gesture... I think I must have seen him again, in you... But you're different. Things are different. Cloud... I'm searching for you." "I want to meet...you." ?-To Cloud, during the Gold Saucer date As she notices Cloud and Zack's overlapping traits, Aerith determines that this isn't Cloud's natural self. The meaningful lines "I'm searching for you" and "I want to meet you" indicate that she has perceived that the current Cloud is not his genuine personality. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithperceives3_zps3bca87fc.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「……はじめはね。そっくりだったから気になった。 全然別人なんだけど、そっくり。 歩き方、手の動かし方、……。あなたの中に彼を見ていた……。 でも、ちがうの。いまは、ちがう……。」 「ね、クラウド。わたし、あなたをさがしてる。 あなたに……会いたい」 ――ゴールドソーサーでのデートで、クラウドに向かって クラウドがザックスと重なっていることを感じつつ、それが本来のクラウド ではないと見抜くエアリス。「あなたをさがしてる」「あなたに会いたい」 とは、目の前にいるクラウド自身も気づいていない本当の彼の存在を 見透かした、意味深い発言だ。 ---- Then pg. 156: ---- "So you don't have a breakdown ..." Appearing in Cloud's dream to console him, she offers this advice. This line indicates that she has perceived Cloud's true nature (>P.29). [Screenshot caption next to image of Aerith in Cloud's dream of the Sleeping Forest] In line with her concerns, Cloud goes after her ... (>P.164). ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithperceives4_zpsdf90a449.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「自分が壊れてしまわないように」 クラウドの夢枕に立ったエアリスは、彼をいたわるように、こう忠告する。 エアリスがクラウドの本質を見抜いていたことがうかがえるセリフだ（→P.29）。 [Screenshot caption next to image of Aerith in Cloud's dream of the Sleeping Forest] 彼女の心配どおり、のちにクラウドは……（→P.164）。 ---- Next, pg. 22 of the Crisis Core Ultimania: ---- The World's Last Ancient Taken for an Ancient at the time of discovery, Jenova is actually an alien life-form from space, making Aerith the only living Ancient. That said, her father is Professor Gast ?-- an ordinary human, thus making her a half-blooded Ancient. Consequently, Aerith's powers are less potent than those of the pure Ancients, but she certainly still inherited the wondrous powers to "hear the voice of the planet" and "to read the hidden truths within people"; due to this, Shin-Ra pursues her in their search for the Promised Land. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithperceives_zps0f24e94a.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?世界でたったひとりの古代種 発見当初には古代種とされていたジェノバは、じつは宇宙からの 異生命体で、現存する古代種はエアリスのみ。しかも彼女の父は ガスト愽士――すなわちふつうの人間であり、古代種の血は半分しか 流れていない。ゆえに能力的には純粋な古代種に劣るエアリスだが、 「星の声を聞く」「人の奥に秘められた真実を読み取る」といった 不思議な力は確かに継承しており、そのせいで、約束の地を求める 神羅に追われつづけている。 ---- After that, pg. 48 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 50 of the Revised Edition): ---- Despite sensing that Cloud had lost his natural self, Aerith still holds favor for him. Even while working to fulfill her mission as an Ancient, she is concerned for him to the very moment of he death. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithperceives5_zps97e5a4f9.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドが本来の自分を見失っていると気づきながらも、彼に 好意を包いたエアリス。古代種としての使命を果たそうとする 一方で、最期まで彼のことを気にかけていた。 ---- Finally, pg. 27 of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2: ---- "I'm searching for you. I want to meet...you." ?-Gold Saucer: To Cloud, during the date She initially sees in Cloud vestiges of her first love Zack, but after spending time with him, she perceives the true personality sleeping in the depths of his heart. She says to him these meaningful words in the hopes of provoking an awareness of it in him. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 13ckC_zpsf3d11868.jpeg Japanese text: ---- 「わたし、あなたをさがしてる。 あなたに……会いたい」 ―ゴールドソーサー：デート中にクラウドに向かって 初恋の人ザックスの面影を見てクラウドに惹かれるが、ともに時間を過ごすなか、 クラウドの本当の人格が奥底に眠っていることを察知。彼にその自覚をうながす ように、意味深 な言葉を告げる。 ---- Response: As we've already went over the facts that Tifa knows and understands Cloud better than anyone else in the section above entitled "Nothing ends. Nothing ever ends," it won't be necessary to rehash that specific information. However, there are additional quotes that speak to her insight into Cloud, and we shall now review those, starting with pg. 70 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: (translation by hitoshura) ---- The reason for Tifa's kindness While subtle, Tifa is attentive towards Cloud, asking if he fought with Barret and offering him a drink. Behind this seems to be a desire to ascertain Cloud's condition, as he has been somewhat odd since they were reunited. These feelings are revealed during Tifa's monologue before she wakes up in the Shinra Junon office, which was added for the International version. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifakindness_zpsce8f6d8b.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティファが親切な理由 バレットとケンカしなかったか尋ねたり、酒を飮まないかとすすめたり、さりげなくでは あるがクラウドに気をくばるティファ。その背景には、再会以来どこかおかしな クラウド様子を見定めていこうとのおもいがあったようだ。この心情は、 インターナショナル版で追加された、神羅ジュノン支社で目覚める直前のティファの 語りで明かされる（→P. 170）。 ---- Next, pg. 170 of the same book: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Tifa's flashback The flashback seen before Tifa wakes up was added to the International version. Cloud says that it has been 5 years since they last met when it should be 7, and while saying he was involved in the Nibelheim incident, he has an understanding of it that clashes with reality. Here we learn that Tifa has felt something wasn't right with him ever since they met again, and has been dealing with him while she holds back her worries. Also, the reason Cloud was suffering from mako poisoning when Tifa met him again was due to being overexposed to mako during Hojo's Sephiroth Copy experiments in the Shinra Manor. [Screenshot caption next to image of Tifa finding Cloud at the Sector 7 train station] The moment he sees Tifa, a new personality is formed (>P.13). ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifaflashback_zpseeaeda56.jpg Japanese text: ---- ティファの回想 目覚めるまでのティファの回想は、インターナショナル版で 追加されたものだ。7年ぶりに会うはずなのに5年ぶりの再会と 言い、ニブルヘイムの事件に関わったと話しながらも事実とはちが う形で認識しているクラウド。そんな彼に、再会した当初から ティファが違和感を覚え、不安な気持ちを抑えながら彼と向き 合っていたことがわかる。なお、ティファと再会した時点でクラウドが 魔晄中毒におちいっていたのは、神羅屋敷における 宝条のセフィロス・コピー実験で、魔晄を浴びすぎたため。 [Screenshot caption next to image of Tifa finding Cloud at the Sector 7 train station] ティファを見た瞬間、新たな人格が形成される（→P. 13）。 ---- As seen in these quotes, Tifa knew Cloud well enough even from childhood to recognize that he was not himself. For that matter, learning who someone is the hard way -- i.e. from interaction with them -- is a more meaningful way to know them than simply being gifted with an ability based on birth. While on the subject, if one counts Maiden Who Travels the Planet as canon, then Aerith's ability really only allowed her to perceive that Cloud wasn't himself, not who he actually was. By her own admission in that story, she didn't learn who he was until Tifa corrected his psyche in the Lifestream, the elements of his composite personality that she thought she knew instead being revealed to have been Cloud's one-time best friend, Zack. This is demonstrated in the story on pp. 587-588 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: (pg. 587) ---- "How can I help Cloud? And what about Meteor? I didn't think Holy would be hindered. If things stay like this, the planet will become as Sephiroth desires ... What can I do about all this? Tell me, Cloud ..." Aerith wept for Cloud's broken mind, her prayers in vain. It seemed already too late to restore the ruins of his persona. If he wasn't Cloud to begin with, who was he then? Knowing him only as a former SOLDIER, she had no means to so much as guess. Despair beyond words gripped her. "Cloud ... I want to meet you. The real you ..." A murmur, the thought became a ripple that spread through the mako. Memories of her time with Cloud, which had faded, suddenly resurfaced in her mind. Although he acted unsociable, he had some cheerful behavior that stuck with her. "He gave off a mixed-up impression, but was it all fake; just part of his false personality? ... No, that can't be the case. There were thoughts he couldn't have had unless he were Cloud. Things he could do because he was Cloud. He wasn't an empty shell from the beginning!" However, she couldn't determine the reality. And so, her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith traced her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud's habits. The way he walked. She went over each of his actions one by one ... A consciousness that had already dissolved into the sea of mako awoke. Responding as though summoned by the image she traced with her memory, "he" wakes up. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ff7uo587_zps98f69e06.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 587-1_zpsa9c02c07.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/ Squall_of_Seed/587-2_zps2da6c92b.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「どうしたらクラウドを助けられる？それに、メテオのことも。ホーリーが 邪魔されているなんて、思わなかった。このままだと、星はセフィロスの思い通り になっちゃう……わたしにできること、何だろう？教えてよ、クラウド……」 祈りも虚しく、崩壊してしまったクラウドの心に、エアリスは涙した。人格の 残骸は、もはや修復しようがないように思える。そもそも、彼がクラウドでは ないとすれば本当は誰なのか？元ソルジャーのクラウドとしてしか彼を知らない エアリスには、それを推測する手段さえない。言いようない無力感が彼女を 包んでいる。 「クラウド……あなたに会いたい。本当の、あなたに……」 つぶやきが、想いが波紋になって魔晄に広がっていく。 脳裏に蘇るのは、今は消えてしまったクラウドと過ごした記憶。無愛想を 装っているのに、どこか陽気な仕草が印象的だった。 「ちぐはぐな感じはしたけど、それが全部作り物の、偽の人格だなんてこと あるかしあら？クラウドには何の真実もなかった？……ううん、そんなわけ、 ないよ。クラウドにしか考えつかないことだってあった。クラウドだからできたこと、 あった。最初から空っぽの人間なんて、いない！」 しかし、彼女では真実に届かない。そこで思考は堂々巡りになる。エアリスは 再び記憶を辿る。クラウドのくせを思い出す。歩き方を。 動作の、ひとつひとつを--。 その思念が、もう魔晄の海にほとんど融けきっていた、ひとりの人格を呼び 覚ます。エアリスが思い描いたイメージを、自分を呼んだものと認識して "彼"は目覚める。 ---- (pg. 588) ---- Both were enveloped in mako as they sank into the planet. Cloud's second time; Tifa's first experience. Aerith bet everything on this one chance. She eagerly turned her attention to Tifa, whose mind was being overwhelmed in the highly concentrated mako. Aerith guided her consciousness into Cloud's closed mind. In truth, she wanted to do it herself. However, Aerith could not play this role. Therefore, she entrusted it to Tifa. She entrusted Tifa with all the feelings she had for Cloud in her own heart. To the person who would "live" together with Cloud ... And Tifa succeeded. Comparing her memories with Cloud's memories, she looked for those things only the real Cloud could know. This serving as proof, the closed door was opened. She released the memories that were firmly locked up in the bottom of his heart; he didn't get to be a SOLDIER, but due to an ability from Jenova he had been imbued with, Cloud, an ordinary soldier, copied the traits of his best friend, Zack. She restored him to his natural personality rather than the fake one he had created to maintain his sense of self. "You did it, Tifa. Thank you ... I'm a bit jealous of you, but look after Cloud ?-- and the upper world too, please." Aerith watched as they returned to the surface with Tifa pulled up against Cloud, who was back to his senses. She smiled like an affectionate mother, though. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithblessing_zps084fc133.jpg Japanese text: ---- ふたりは魔晄に包まれ、星の内部へと落ちてくる。クラウドは再び、ティファは初めて の体験として。 この千載一遇のチャンスに、エアリスはすべてを賭けた。 高濃度の魔晄に浸かって混乱するティファに、エアリスは懸命に語りかける。その 意識を、クラウドの閉ざされた心の中へと誘導してやる。 本当なら、自分自身がやりたかったこと。けれどその役割はエアリスには 果たせない。だから彼女はティファに託す。ティファの中にある、クラウドを想心に すべてを委ねる。彼とともに、゛生きて゛いく者に--。そして、ティファにやり遂げる。 クラウドの記憶と自分の思い出を照合し、本当のクラウドにしか知り得ないはずの ことを探り当てる。 それが証明となって、閉じた扉は開かれた。ソルジャーにはなれず、植えつけられた ジェノバの能力で親友ザックスのくせを複製した一兵士クラウドを、強固な殼に 守られた記憶の奥底から引き揚げる。自我を保つために彼自身が創り上げた フェイクではない、本来あるべき人格へと再生させる。 「やったね、ティファ。ありがとう……ちょっとだけ妬けちゃうけど、クラウドのこと-- それから上の世界のこと、頼むね」 正気を取り戻したクラウドに、ティファが寄り添って地上に戻っていくのをエアリスは 見届ける。慈母のように、微笑みながら。 ---- == -Claim: A translation by aerithlove527 of the Cloud x Aerith forums rendered the following line from Cloud's profile on pg. 24 of the Crisis Core Ultimania as "Before leaving Nibelheim, Cloud declared that ?eI'll be a SOLDIER' to a village girl, Tifa, whom he dimly fell in love with, and made a promise to protect her": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ honoka_zpsb439d3b8.jpg Japanese text: ---- ミッドガルに出てくる前にクラウドは、ほのかに想いを寄せていた村の少女 ティファに「ソルジャーになる」と宣言し、彼女を守ると約束した。 ---- This shows that Cloud’s love for Tifa was only ever weak. Furthermore, in the Memorial Scenes section of Cloud’s profile on pg. 21 of the Final Fantasy 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2, we find the following: ---- 明かされた本当の願い 幼いころのクラウドは、同年代の者たちから孤立し、自分は特別だと思い こもうとする、ねくれた子どもだった。そんな彼にとって大切だったのがティファ --淡く幼い恋心が、 精神世界にて明かされる。 ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ awakeningoflove_zps6dba802a.jpg Of particular importance here, the last clause following the dash describes Cloud’s love for Tifa from childhood with “awaku osanai koigokoro” (淡く幼い恋心) . “Awaku” (淡く) is a conjugation of the adjective (淡い), which is equivalent to “honoka” (ほのか) from the previous quote, a word meaning “dim” or “faint.” Furthermore, “awai” is often translated as “fleeting.” Next, “osanai” (幼い) means “childish” or “immature,” while “koigokoro” (恋心) is “love.” As you can see, Cloud's love for Tifa as a child was not only never that strong to begin with and childish, but it was also fleeting. He doesn't continue to love her romantically later in life. Response: While "awai" and "honoka" do, indeed, mean the same thing, and though they can be used in contexts that refer to things passing quickly, that is not what is being described in these passages. As demonstrated within the original game's story and various other official materials, Cloud's love for Tifa was hardly fleeting, nor did it remain a weak matter. Instead, these passages refer to a nascent love -- one that has just begun and not yet grown in strength. It's immature in terms of its growth. When "awai" is attached to feelings, it most often refers to what one might call "puppy love." That being the case, I would translate the two passages cited above like so: (pg. 24 of the Crisis Core Ultimania) ---- Before leaving for Midgar, Cloud declared "I'm going to become a SOLDIER" to Tifa, a village girl he had started falling in love with, and also promised to protect her. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ honoka_zpsb439d3b8.jpg Japanese text: ---- ミッドガルに出てくる前にクラウドは、ほのかに想いを寄せていた村の少女 ティファに「ソルジャーになる」と宣言し、彼女を守ると約束した。 ---- (pg. 21 of the Final Fantasy 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2) ---- The True Wish Revealed When Cloud was a young child, he was isolated from those around his age, and so he tries convincing himself that he must be special. However, Tifa was still important to him ? this childhood awakening of love is revealed in the spirit world. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ awakeningoflove_zps6dba802a.jpg Japanese text: ---- 明かされた本当の願い 幼いころのクラウドは、同年代の者たちから孤立し、自分は特別だと 思いこもうとする、ねくれた子どもだった。そんな彼にとって大切だったのが ティファ??淡く幼い恋心が、精神世界にて明かされる。 ---- For several similar examples related to Final Fantasy, Google searches for "awai koigokoro" (’W?-?c?¢?o?S) in Japanese show this notion of "faint love" being applied to such situations as Filo's crush on Llyud in FFXII: Revenant Wings, Eiko's crush on Zidane in FFIX, Leblanc's love for Nooj in FFX-2, and Mel's crush on Korcha in another Square title, Chrono Cross: http://ffdic.wikiwiki.jp/?%A5%AD%A5%E3%A5%E9%A5% AF%A5%BF%A1%BC%2F%A1%DA%A5%D5%A5%A3%A5%ED%A1%DB http://www.logsoku.com/r/ff/1224257534/ http://motti.s14.xrea.com/ff10-2/data/character.html http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3% 83%8E%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9 In fact, that Japanese Wikipedia page on Chrono Cross is not the only source that applies the adjective in this way. The official Chrono Cross Ultimania has the following comment in Mel's profile on pg. 38: ---- Although she and Korcha grew up like an older brother and younger sister, she has recently begun carrying puppy love for him, but she tries not to show this in front of him. However, she becomes angry if he appears to be showing interest in other females. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ melchronocross_zpsaccf3584.jpg Japanese text: ---- 実の兄妹のように育ってきたコルチャに対、最近淡い恋心を抱きはじめたが、彼の前では そんなそぶりを見せないようにしている。ただし、コルチャがほかの女性に熱を上げてい ることは気にかかっている様子。 ---- For an example even closer to home, consider this quote from pg. 58 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega concerning Elena’s feelings for Tseng: ---- She begins having slight feelings for Tseng. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ elenauo.jpg Japanese text: ---- ツォンに淡い想いを寄せている。 ---- Further debunking this "fleeting" nonsense: Tseng's profile right next to Elena's describes his feelings for Aerith as "tokubetsu na omoi" ("special feelings"; 特別な想い): ---- He is polite, always calm and seldom allows his emotions to rise to the surface, but for many years he has carried special feelings for Aerith, whom ? as an Ancient ? he is supposed to secure. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tsenguo.jpg Japanese text: ---- 礼儀正しく、つねに冷静で感情をあまり表に出さないが、確保すべき 古代種として古くから知るエアリスに対しては、特別な想いを抱いている。 ---- In the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, which takes into account a broader spectrum of time than just the original game, their profiles on pg. 94 feature Elena's feelings for Tseng now being described in the same way, with his for Aerith still using that description as well: (from Elena's profile) ---- She carries special feelings for her superior, Tseng. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ elena10au.jpg Japanese text: ---- 主任のツォンに特別な想いを抱いている。 ---- (from Tseng's profile) ---- He has carried special feelings toward Aerith for many years, and though they are opposed, he is concerned about her. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tseng10au.jpg Japanese text: ---- 長年追っていたエアリスに対しては特別な想いを抱いており、 敵対しながらも彼女の 身を案じる。 ---- In other words, Elena's feelings for Tseng grew from something "light" into something "special," again demonstrating that "awai" does not denote something that will fade away. It may or may not, but the presence of the adjective alone does not determine either. In a number of cases we've looked at here, including some uses of the word by official sources, romantic feelings verifiably grew stronger (e.g., Elena's feelings for Tseng) or were still in play at the same intensity by the end of the composition as at the beginning (e.g., Mel's feelings for Korcha, Leblanc's feelings for Nooj). The argument that "awai" proves Cloud doesn't have romantic feelings for Tifa simply flies in the face of all information available about Cloud and Tifa, as well as comparable uses of the word for other Square characters -- even another FFVII character. For more information concerning "awai koigokoro," please refer to hitoshura's following research into the matter: ---- This will just be presented as I find it so people can decide from there. It's a collection of references collected with the criteria that they be from a legitimate or well-known publisher or institution (thus, no examples from fan translations, etc.). -On 淡い- Yahoo JP definitions: http://dic.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=dic&stype=prefix&p=%E6%B7%A1%E 3%81%84 Weblio Japanese-English definitions: http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E6%B7%A1%E3%81%84 "Fleeting" does not appear in the definitions on Yahoo's four dictionaries, but appears in two of Weblio's. ・　【かすかな】faint; slight 淡い恋心 a faint feeling of [（ほんのちょっぴりの） a little bit of a] love (ニューセンチュリー和英辞典) ・　2 〔かすかな，わずかな〕slight 淡い恋 a faint love 淡い望み a slight hope (プログレッシブ和英中辞典) ・　３ 　執着や関心が少なくてあっさりしている。ほのかである。 「淡い恋心」 (大辞泉) ・　［3］ 　関心や執着の度合が薄い。 淡い恋心 （大辞林） 淡い悦びを覚えた I felt a faint joy. (斎藤和英大辞典) From "The Kodansha Kanji Learners Dictionary": ’W?¢ (awai): light (colour, flavour); faint [no relevant examples] From "NTC's New Japanese-English Character Dictionary": awa(i) 淡い : light (colour, flavour); faint; fleeting; transitory 淡い悲しみ fleeting sorrow From "Kenkyuusha's New Japanese-English Dictionary": 淡い - light 《color, flavor》; faint 《light, hope》; pale. ・淡い期待を寄せる　 hold faint [weak] expectations ・ボランティアの救援活動に彼らは淡い期待を寄せていた.　 They were pinning faint hopes on volunteer relief operations. ・淡い恋心　 faint feelings of love ・中学時代, 担任の先生に抱いた想い, あれはたしかに淡い恋だった.　 What I felt towards my homeroom teacher in junior high school was puppy love for sure. ・初恋の彼との淡い交際は 3 年続いた.　 My innocent association with him, my first boyfriend, went on for three years. ・この曲を聞くと遠い過去の日を思い出し, 淡い悲しみを感じる.　 When I hear this piece it makes me remember the distant past and causes me to feel slightly sad. -On 恋心- Yahoo JP: http://dic.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UTF-8&p=%E6%81%8B%E5%BF%83&fr=dic&stype =prefix Weblio: http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E6%81%8B%E5%BF%83 None of Yahoo's four dictionaries give "awakening of love" in their definitions of the word itself, though it does appear in the example sentences in the form of 恋心に目覚める. 恋心に目覚める年ごろになった She has awakened to love. Weblio features less entries than it did with 淡い, but both feature "awakening of love" in their definitions. From "NTC's New Japanese-English Character Dictionary": 恋心　koigokoro one's love From "Kenkyuusha's New Japanese-English Dictionary": こいごころ【恋心】 □(koigokoro) feelings of love; a heart filled with love 彼女への恋心が芽生えたのはその時だった.　 It was then that I began to love [be in love] with her. ｜ It was then that my passion for her developed. 先生に恋心を抱く[寄せる]　 fall in love with [《口》 have a crush on] one's teacher. 彼への恋心は募る一方だった.　 I fell [felt] more and more deeply in love with him. ｜ My passion for him grew stronger and stronger. -On 淡い恋心- It has cropped up in various example sentences before, but here are a few discussions from Yahoo Chiebukuro about it. http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1454952864 “What does the 淡い in 淡い恋心 mean? Does it mean like ‘lighthearted’ or something?” The answer selected for the best gave a couple of words describing the nuance of the word ("pure, genuine" and "faint, vague"), but the more detailed answer was this one: 燃えるような激しい恋に対して、まだはっきりと意識していないような、とか、 ためらいがちな、とか、何か些細なことで壊れてしまいそうな、というようなもの が「淡い恋」といえるのではないかと思います。 些細なことで壊れてしまったりするのは、弱そうな感じも受けますが、それでも 「淡い恋」が一生胸に残るようなこともありますから、必ずしも軽いとは 言えないと思います。 "Compared to a burning, passionate love, I think ’W?¢?o?S is more something like one you're not yet clearly aware of or you're hesitant about, or it might shatter at some trivial thing. That it might shatter because of something trivial does give the impression that it's something weak, but even so a ’W?¢?o?S can stay in your heart for a lifetime, so I don't think you can definitively call it lighthearted." Other questions talking about it have likened it to teenage love, or where you are happy just talking to or seeing someone without it moving into something more (dating or having sex). ---- == -Claim: Cloud's childhood love for Tifa only ever amounts to a mere boyhood crush. How much does a 16-year-old really know about love in the first place, especially when it comes to a girl that we only know of him having one conversation with when they were teenagers? By the time he meets Tifa again shortly before FFVII starts, he has become a grown man. One can't gauge how he feels about Tifa in the present through the lens of how he felt about her in the past. Response: Overlooking for the moment that even if Cloud's childhood feelings for Tifa had not been specified to endure the same as hers did for him, Cloud is essentially a 16 year old in a superhuman, 21-year-old body. In terms of life experience and psychological development, he missed out on five years of his life. For Tifa, the night her hometown was razed to the ground sits behind five years of other memories. For Cloud, there's a few months between his present in FFVII and that night when he was undoubtedly still in love with Tifa as a teenager. Not much time has actually passed for him, so it would be rather odd for Cloud to have left those feelings behind due solely to the passage of time he did not even experience. The notion is especially odd when one remembers that Tifa's feelings for Cloud most certainly did not go away -- and that is despite him, not her, being the one in a coma for five years. Perhaps more to the point, it's too hasty a generalizatioin to assert that a 16 year old is incapable of legitimately being in love. That would make several Final Fantasy couples "mere crushes." Dagger turns 16 at the beginning of FFIX, and Zidane is the same age; Sara and Ingus are younger than that in FFIII; Celes is only 18 at the beginning of FFVI; Squall and Rinoa are only 17; same for Tidus and Yuna. To say nothing of what it would mean you have to make of the romance in everything from "Titanic" (Rose is 17, Jack is 20) to "The Notebook" (when it begins, Allie is 15 and Noah is 17), to "Twilight" (while this romance does genuinely suck, Bella was 17) and "The Hunger Games" (Katniss and Peeta are 16). Look at all that Peeta's "mere boyhood crush" leads him to do for Katniss' sake. Added to that, he admired her from afar, as Cloud did with Tifa, and -- as far as we're ever made aware -- they didn't have a single conversation prior to the 74th Reaping. The trope of the young man who admires the young woman from afar is as common to stories of romance in fiction as the trope of the girl's mother or father disapproving of the boy. For that matter, that "mere boyhood crush" of Cloud's led him to try joining SOLDIER, was something he remained preoccupied with during his time in the Shin-Ra military, and was a central memory in awakening his true personality. If one is going to disregard the feelings Cloud had at 16, one must be prepared to disregard the majority of fiction out there about young love. == -Claim: Official merchandise and marketing for Final Fantasy VII strongly point to an intended romance between Cloud and Aerith, but not Cloud and Tifa. First and foremost, a commercial advertising the North American release of FFVII all the way back in 1997 presented Cloud laying Aerith's body to rest while the word "Love" appears on-screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9pF9BJQBLo http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_SeeD/ loveneverbe.jpg At the same time, the commercial's narrator says that FFVII is "A story of a love that can never be." Tifa, meanwhile, barely appears in the commercial at all, and is certainly not referenced as having any romantic relationship with Cloud. Square could not possibly have been more straightforward than this already made things, though they continued to hammer home the facts to us over the years with merchandise as well. For example, the only figurine to have been made for FFVII featuring both a hero and heroine is this item from Square's Final Fantasy Cold Cast Collection of dioramas: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssf101.jpg This statue is important to keep in mind, as Square only commissions such sculptures of its games' romantic pairings, as with this one from the same set, featuring Final Fantasy VIII's Squall and Rinoa: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dancescene_zps8acdf885.jpg Likewise, take notice of these dioramas made by Banpresto -- one of Chrono and Marle from Chrono Trigger, the other featuring Zidane and Dagger from Final Fantasy IX: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ enx31392_3_zpsadf822a2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ DSC05122_zps1a4b0a45.jpg There's also this Square Enix Sculpture Arts diorama of Final Fantasy XII's Balthier and Fran: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img_4071_zpsd95e6a6d.jpg Looking back now to Final Fantasy VII, this Static Arts statuette of Cloud features him standing in Aerith's church: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img_5689_zpsdab77abd.jpg While Aerith herself is not present in the sculpt, the floorboards of her church and the flowers representing her are. As with the Cold Cast Collection diorama and the FFVII commercial, a very clear picture is being painted for us: Cloud was in love with Aerith and continues to be surrounded by her presence in her church and in the flower fields associated with her. Promotional artwork for the game by Yoshitaka Amano, the character designer for the first six Final Fantasy games, also reinforces what we already know. Amano drew no less than five images of Cloud and Aerith together -- six if one counts a group shot of he and Aerith alongside Red XIII and Barret: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ embrace.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ peace.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tranquility.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ coldlight.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ sky.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ challenge.jpg Not only do several of those images of Cloud and Aerith together look romantic, but Amano drew more images of the two of them together than he did of any other two characters. Furthermore, he didn't draw any pictures of Tifa and Cloud together at all. It seems rather clear what idea he was instructed to promote in his illustrations, just as he did with drawings of canon couples from subsequent Final Fantasy games: (Squall and Rinoa in FFVIII) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rondoofspring.jpg (Zidane and Dagger in FFIX) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ zidaneanddagger.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ zidaneanddagger2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ zidaneanddagger3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ zidaneanddagger4.jpg (Tidus and Yuna in FFX) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tidusandyuna.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ warmth.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ waterdream.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tidusandyuna2.jpg (Snow and Serah in FFXIII) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ snowandserah.jpg Response: Starting with the merchandise, the first thing that needs to be pointed out is that the Final Fantasy Cold Cast Collection did not consist only of dioramas featuring romantic pairings. It did not even consist primarily of such a theme. There were five pieces commissioned in the set -- one each for Final Fantasy IV, V, VI, VII and VIII. They featured the following: -Final Fantasy IV Cecil as a Paladin fights his Dark Knight persona on Mt. Ordeals http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssf123.jpg -Final Fantasy V Bartz and Boco relax by a fire under some trees during the opening of their game http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img_3374-copy_zpsa897e52c.jpg -Final Fantasy VI Celes performs her role at the Opera House http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssf125.jpg -Final Fantasy VII Cloud lays Aerith's body to rest at the Forgotten Capital http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssf101.jpg -Final Fantasy VIII Squall and Rinoa dance at the SeeD graduation ball http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dancescene_zps8acdf885.jpg Of these, only one item in the set features a confirmed couple, established as such during their game. Rather than romantic couples, the dioramas portray memorable scenes from their respective games, and it's highly questionable whether any of the scenes are actually romantic. There's certainly nothing about the first three that would qualify -- nor are deaths and funerals particularly romantic, so FFVII's scene may be out as well. How one has read into that relationship up to that point will do more to determine whether it comes across as such than any component of the scene itself. Squall and Rinoa's dance scene at the ball in FFVIII comes closest for consideration, but isn't particularly romantic either given that the two had only just met, Squall didn't want to dance with her to begin with, and neither of them yet had romantic feelings for the other in the scene depicted. Really, nothing about the Cold Cast Collection as a whole -- nor the item specific to FFVII from the set -- points to the argument made under the "Claim" heading above. For that matter, it's simply incorrect that Square only produces sculptures of multiple characters solely to depict romantic couplings. Not only does this not hold true with the Cold Cast Collection, but it doesn't hold true with the dioramas for Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IX either. There are several more pieces that go with both of them to make a complete set. First, the rest of the Chrono Trigger set, featuring the following dioramas: -Chrono versus Magus http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_9907-550x_zpsb44da11f.jpg -Lucca working on Robo http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_9890-550x_zps80a2d00f.jpg -Chrono with Frog http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_9889-550x_zpsdb8c19ed.jpg -Chrono and Ayla being lifted by Robo http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_9898-550x_zpsd4f14dcf.jpg For Final Fantasy IX, there was also a diorama of Zidane with Vivi, and another of Zidane with Steiner: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 4259603059_93d7f0881e_zps5878a5e2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ T2eC16hysE9sy0kzTYBQdEWecKw60_1_zps42239eb2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ DSC05127_zpse08a47d6.jpg Along these same lines, a two-item Sculpture Arts set for Advent Children featured matching bases for the sculpts, depicting Cloud's final showdown with Sephiroth: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FFVIIAC_SculptureArts_zps21bad03c.jpg As well, these two cold cast statues from the Transcendent Artists Collection for Final Fantasy VIII further conflict with the notion that romance is the key idea at work when multiple characters are present. One sculpture depicts Irvine and Zell with the Guardian Force Diablos; another depicts Selphie and Quistis with Leviathan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img_6175_zps25628569.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ img_6160_zpsf2124f6a.jpg "Most of those sculpts you've gone over don't feature only a single hero and a single heroine," one might still say. "They couldn't be meant to allude to a romantic coupling." Overlooking how shortsighted that argument based on biology is -- particularly given Selphie's sensual pose in that last sculpture we looked at -- it should be pointed out that Banpresto also made three dioramas for Chrono Cross. One features Serge dueling Karsh; another sees Kid do battle with her nemesis, Lynx; and the third features childhood friends Serge and Leena. See below: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ CC_Serge_vs_Karsh_bright_zps0e6cef12.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ CC_Kid_vs_Linx_bright_zpsde0e3999.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 20130205_68739f_zpsc339f0ae.jpg Despite Serge and Leena apparently being boyfriend and girlfriend at the beginning of Chrono Cross, Serge eventually marries Kid, as revealed by this wedding photo in the game's ending: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ chronocrossending_zps50ceb1b0.jpg Their garb in the picture is identified as wedding attire on the pages of their respective design sketches in the Chrono Cross Missing Pieces book: (pg. 110) ---- Kid wrapped in a wedding dress. One can't imagine her usual self having such a cute expression like that seen here. ---- Source scan (courtesy of the Chrono Compendium): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 15nd2.jpeg Japanese text: ---- ウェディングドレスに身を包んだキッド。普段の彼女からは想像もできない ようなしおらしい表情が見物だ。 ---- (pg. 111) ---- Serge in ceremonial garb. The detailed design also includes accessories. ---- Source scan (courtesy of the Chrono Compendium): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 15n7Y.jpeg Japanese text: ---- 礼服をとったセルジュ。アクセサリーにも細かな設定がなされている。 ---- If the diorama designers were going for something traditionally romantic, they missed the mark considerably by featuring a pairing that will not last long -- if, indeed, Serge and Leena's status as a couple even outlasts the duration of the game. For that matter, despite being the central two characters and getting married, a diorama statue featuring Serge and Kid together was never designed. The same is true of Squall and Rinoa with regard to the Transcendent Artists Collection. Along a similar vein to that just discussed, what of this promotional image for Final Fantasy XIII, depicting Snow and Lightning?: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 5DsfCE4_zps67df3637.jpg Not only are these two not romantically involved, Snow is, in fact, engaged to Lightning's sister. While this image isn't a sculpture, it is promotional material -- a category merchandise typically falls into as well. Is anything romantic being implied about these two simply by their presence together at the exclusion of anyone else? Is consideration of a wider context (e.g. Snow and Lightning are the two central characters) not called for? Focusing again on figurines, if intent with them is really as simple as that argued under the "Claim" header above, what are we then to make of a set of figures that portray matching bases for Zack and Aerith at the time of Crisis Core -- the base being the floorboards of Aerith's church and her flowers growing therein no less, as with the Static Arts figure of Cloud examined earlier? Even more importantly, what then of figures from the same set featuring Cloud and Tifa as they were dressed in FFVII and with matching bases of their own? Reno and Rude -- as a single figure representing Before Crisis -- even share the same base in this Trading Arts Mini set that was included with official Potion drinks manufactured by Suntory and released in 2007 to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Final Fantasy VII. All five figures can be seen here, along with a Vincent figure representing Dirge of Cerberus in the set: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 07bs0_zpsf1ef8eed.jpg Moving on from the merchandise to the "a love that can never be" commercial, in the event the commercial itself did not make the matter clear enough, the marketing division at Sony Computer Entertainment America wrote the narration, not anyone at Square back in Japan. The purpose of Sony's ad campaign in North America was to sell the game, not tell the story. One shouldn't go looking to the marketing department of another company's foreign subsidiary for illumination on Final Fantasy VII. If we're just going to accept third-party material like that, then this bit from Tifa's profile on pg. 11 of the Official Crisis Core Strategy Guide should also be seen as a rather definitive comment that the higher affection version of the Highwind Scene played out: ---- Tifa meets Cloud in Nibelheim during the events of Crisis Core and their friendship carries over to Tifa has always liked Cloud and enjoys helping him restore his memory when they reunite in Final Fantasy VII. She ultimately lets her feelings be known near the end of Final Fantasy VII and the two can be seen living together during the events of Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tifaccprofile.jpg There is simply no question whatsoever that the commercials were produced by SCEA rather than Square. Refer to the following Business Wire article from August 27, 1997: ---- PlayStation's Final Fantasy VII Marketing Blitz Continues Consumers Gain First Glimpse of the Most Anticipated Videogame of 1997 Through Massive Advertising Campaign FOSTER CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--August 27, 1997--As part of its marketing program for the most highly anticipated videogame release of the year -- Final Fantasy VII, only on PlayStation -- Sony Computer Entertainment America recently launched the first television commercial in a high profile three-month long ad campaign. Featuring three dedicated 30-second spots - highlighting Final Fantasy VII's movie-like animation and incredible 3D graphics and gameplay -- television viewers and PlayStation fans across the country will receive their first sneak peek into the epic adventure experience of Final Fantasy VII. Network television placements include "Saturday Night Live," "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," "The Simpsons" and "Prime Time Sports." Other highlights include buys on cable stations MTV, ESPN, Comedy Central, USA Network, the Sci Fi Channel and E! Entertainment, as well as the syndicated programs "Hercules," "Baywatch," "World Championship Wrestling" and "American Gladiators." Final Fantasy VII is the epic adventure that will rewrite the rules of videogaming across the world. With hundreds of computer-generated images, aerial views and vivid battle scenes, the game contains mesmerizing visuals equating to a cinematic experience. "Final Fantasy VII represents a milestone in videogame television advertising with the creation of three separate commercials supporting this phenomenal title," said Andrew House, vice president, marketing, Sony Computer Entertainment America. "Consumers can count on us to deliver the best with PlayStation, and they are definitely getting that with Final Fantasy VII." In addition to the extensive television campaign, the Final Fantasy VII marketing effort also includes a major print campaign in general interest magazines such as Rolling Stone, Details and Spin, and gaming enthusiast publications such as Next Generation, as well as several DC and Marvel comic books. The print campaign, featuring four different ads, will appear in September, October and November issues. Further supporting the marketing of Final Fantasy VII will be a major holiday promotion with Pepsi and significant consumer sampling through the distribution of one million interactive disks packed in with PlayStation hardware units. The overall Final Fantasy VII campaign is just a portion of PlayStation brand's unprecedented $100 million marketing campaign supporting the PlayStation brand and a multitude of other key titles. The entire marketing campaign also includes extensive print advertising, public relations, national promotions, retail promotion merchandising, direct mail, sampler discs and Internet support. Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc. markets and distributes the PlayStation game console in North America, develops and publishes software for the PlayStation game console, and manages the U.S. third party licensing program. Based in Foster City, Calif., Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Visit us on the Web at http://www.playstation.com CONTACT: Molly Smith, 415/655-6044 molly_smith@playstation.sony.com or Chris Kniestedt, 916/441-7606 kniestec@fleishman.com COPYRIGHT 1997 Business Wire ---- Source link: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108053421/ http://www.ff7citadel.com/press/pr_ff7-marketing.shtml Not only was the commercial not designed by Square, but it's thick with hyperbole at best and plainly inaccurate information at worst. Here follows the narration for the entire commercial: "Beyond the edge of reality lies a story of ultimate conquest. A story of war and friendship. A story of a love that can never be ... and a hatred that always was. And now, the most anticipated epic adventure of the year ... will never come to a theater near you! Final Fantasy VII!" The very next line after "A story of a love that can never be" is "and a hatred that always was" accompanied by the FMV sequence of Sephiroth standing in the flames of Nibelheim. No matter how one interprets this line, it doesn't fit the story. If it's referring to Cloud's hate for Sephiroth, it's inaccurate, because Cloud didn't always hate Sephiroth -- he actually admired him greatly at one point. If it's referring to Sephiroth's hatred, it's still wrong, as Sephiroth didn't always hate Cloud, Shin-Ra or the human race. After the line about hatred, the commercial ends with, "And now, the most anticipated epic adventure of the year ... will never come to a theater near you! Final Fantasy VII!" The clause about "will never come to a theater near you" aside, the rest of that seems mighty presumptuous a claim in a year that saw "Titanic," ""The Lost World: Jurassic Park," "Men in Black," "Tomorrow Never Dies," "Air Force One" and "The Fifth Element" released to theaters -- the first of these films holding the title of highest-grossing film in history for twelve years, and still remaining in one of the top spots even now. For that matter, championing a description like "a love that can never be" as evidence for a claim that a relationship between Cloud and Aerith was established and continues to develop is more than a little counterintuitive in the first place. Another of the FFVII commercials released at the time features a similar lack of reliability: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHVb1wn8vo Narration is as follows: "More than 200 animators and programmers ... a multi-million dollar production ... over two years in the making ... and a cast of thousands. They said it couldn't be done in a major motion picture. They were right. Final Fantasy VII." "A cast of thousands." Does that sound right? There are only about 50 named characters in the entire game, and though there are certainly a lot of NPCs, the number does not nearly approach even one thousand, much less two thousand -- the number necessary for the plural rendering of "thousands" to be accurate. Even the SCEA commercial for FFVII closest to being accurate is still pretty off the mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9zzFEdGWk "An evil empire is sucking the life force from the planet ... destroying all that's in its path. It's up to one soldier of fortune to save the world. If he succeeds, you survive. If he fails, you can always hit the reset button. Final Fantasy VII." With a little poetic license, "evil empire" is accurate enough, and "sucking the life force from the planet" is, of course, entirely correct. "It's up to one soldier of fortune to save the world," however? Soldier of fortune Cloud may be, but he doesn't save the world all on his own. While still on the subject of SCEA's marketing campaign, let's also look at some of the print ads that appeared in comic books at the same time these commercials were airing. Their hyperbole is right there with that of the commercials. First, have a look at this shot of Midgar with the caption "It's to a human what headlights are to a deer," which appeared in -- among other places -- "X-Men" vol. 1, issue #69 (November 1997 issue): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_064706_590.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_064803_576.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_064822_408.jpg Perhaps not inaccurate, but certainly unverifiable. More telling is this ad featuring a shot of the Junon cannon and the caption "Someone please get the guys who make cartridge games a cigarette and a blindfold," which appeared in -- again, among other places -- "X-Force" vol. 1, issue #72 (December 1997 issue): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cigarette.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 39b2e109-84b1-4812-98f6-486e37030f36.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_075106_024.jpg The relevant detail here is the comment below the image of the cannon: "Possibly the greatest game ever made is available only on PlayStation. Good thing. If it were available on cartridge, it'd retail for around $1,200." Though cartridges became notorious for their production cost compared to discs, which drove up the prices of catridge-based games, this still seems a little unrealistic. In either case, have a look at this third print ad, which can be seen in "X-Men" vol. 1, issue #68 (October 1997 issue): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_072714_248.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_072756_869.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ IMG_20130423_072811_247.jpg "Don't be the last one to own it." Just look at that for a moment and decide whether this sounds like an ad campaign intended to tell a story or sell games. If the former still seems like a possibility to you, then ask yourself why the Japanese commercials for the same game make no such attempt. The Japanese FFVII commercials can be seen below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdjOEYnXsGg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ8FA0u3-RI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwdG-I_R0A None of them allude to anything like that seen in the SCEA commercial of interest. It would be rather odd for Square to not only take an active role in the shaping of the marketing that took place for FFVII in another part of the world, but also to be so determined that a specific element of the plot is conveyed to that audience when they didn't do so with their domestic audience. It was SCEA's job to publish and market the title. The job of the marketing department at SCEA was to coordinate that very marketing of the game, and, thereby, please their shareholders. There's no evidence that anyone at the Japanese division of Square ever even saw the North American commercial before or during the short time it was on the air, and more doubtful still that FFVII's core development team saw the ad. EVen if they did, it certainly would not have been on the basis of approving it. A marketing department on the other side of the planet wouldn't have been showing the commercial to the FFVII development team -- who worked for another company -- to get their approval on whether it matched the plot they intended. They would have shown it to their bosses at SCEA, gotten a green light, and put it on TV to sell the game. There was no legal impetus to even show the commercial to Square back in Japan. Does anyone really think they got approval from Japan for those print ads we looked at earlier? Simply put: The commercial is a commercial. It was an advertisement meant to garner enough interest to sell a product. If it conveyed powerful ideas to those who saw it, such that they expected the product itself to accurately reflect the advertising rather than the other way around, then it was a successful piece of marketing. Reality is that the final product doesn't always deliver what the advertising promises. The first trailer for "Assassin's Creed," shown at E3 2006, depicted Altair carrying a crossbow on his back despite him having no such weapon in the final game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh69Nol0nSg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ac1.jpg In fact, even the introductory animation to the game proper presented Altair with the crossbow -- and even showed him actually using it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z28_jStWyKI http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ac2.jpg Misleading promotional material isn't restricted to the world of gaming either. Ryushikaze offers the following analysis of the original theatrical poster to the first "Star Wars" film: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ anewhope.jpg ---- Does anyone remember Luke having uberbuff muscles, a metallic leg and holding his lightsaber above his head? What do you mean 'He doesn't even use it in the film'? What do you mean 'normal leg'?" Well, what about Leia's plunging neckline, heaving bosom and revealed lissom legs? Huh, Carrie Fischer had a modest outfit, modest chest and we didn't see any leg until "Return of the Jedi"? But the *poster said* ... Now, look at those hundreds of X-Wings swooping in from the distance! What's that, you say there were 32 rebel vehicles there and a third of them weren't even X-Wings? Note again Luke's bare six-pack chest, the focus on the lightsaber as awesome blade of super importance, Leia's cleavage and thigh-high dress, and the scores of X-Wings. All of these things are *not* in the movie. X-Wings and lightsaber, yes -- so many or so emphasized, no. If a single poster can lie so much about a two-hour film with a simple and direct story that works entirely on its own merits, just to fill seats, why should we trust a commercial trying to sell us a game? The original trailer is even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvqpFbRKtQ "Somewhere in space, this may all be happening right now. 20th Century Fox and George Lucas -- the man who brought you 'American Graffiti' -- now bring you an adventure unlike anything on your planet: 'Star Wars.' The story of a boy, a girl and a universe. It's a big, sprawling space saga of rebellion and romance. It's a spectacle light years ahead of its time. It's an epic of heroes ... and villains ... and aliens from a thousand worlds. A billion years in the making -- 'Star Wars.'" In the *first ten seconds*, it fails at accurately representing the movie's opening crawl. At thirty seconds, we've been told a lie about the contents of the story: The boy and the girl have little to do with each other, and the story no more involves the universe than most other space operas -- i.e., it's in one. "Of rebellion and romance." Not in "A New Hope," it isn't. "Aliens from a thousand worlds." Pure hyperbole. We don't even see one thousand people in the entire film. "A billion years in the making." Enough said. Even if done in-house, marketing is trying to play fast and loose with the truth and clever language to sell you shit. It is inherently untrustworthy. It is not a standard of truth and should never be taken as such. ---- "But that's 'Assassin's Creed' and 'Star Wars,' not Final Fantasy or Square," you may say. Very well then. For an example closer to home, let's go back to the Chrono series and look at what truth there is to find in advertising there. The cover art for both the North American Super Nintendo and Nintendo DS releases of Chrono Trigger features an extremely misleading piece of official artwork: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ Chrono_Trigger_cover.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ CTBoxArt.jpg First, and most obviously, Marle is seen here casting a Fire spell. Not only is this not something she can do in either the story or in gameplay, but Fire magic is the domain of Lucca, another playable character -- one not even featured in the image in question. The only accurate elements about this presentation of Marle casting magic is that she actually can perform Double Techs with Chrono, and also that there is, indeed, a Fire Sword Double Tech -- though it involves Chrono and Lucca rather than Chrono and Marle. Perhaps as egregious, the artwork features Chrono, Frog and Marle battling the Heckran boss, yet this is a battle that actually takes place in-game involving Chrono, Marle and Lucca. Frog is not even available for the fight. Furthermore, the battle is seen taking place in this artwork's presentation outside in a snow-covered landscape. In-game, the battle occurs in the Heckran Cave during the Present-day era of 1,000 AD, which doesn't feature a snowy landscapes anywhere. The only time period in the game to actually do so is 12,000 BC, though the design of the house visible in the artwork's background is far more similar to those of the houses seen in the Present era rather than the huts found in 12,000 BC. In other words, this is an example of marketing from Square that largely fails to accurately represent its product in a number of ways. This is not the only example of box art from the Chrono series to do so either. Let's now look at the image on the cover of the North American release of Chrono Cross: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ChronoCrossDisc1of2USLUS-01041-front.jpg The weapon held by Serge in this image is clearly the Mastermune, but the broad spectrum of colors it boasts is not at all representative of the actual look of the weapon in-game: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 479px-Mastermune.png As can be seen, the blades of the weapon are actually monochromatic, while the look of it on the cover art suggests a design that may be a more fitting recipient of the name given to the Spectra Swallow -- which, incidentally, looks nothing like either presentation of the Mastermune: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 480px-Spectra-Swallow.png Moving on to examples from Final Fantasy now, consider SCEA's commercial for Final Fantasy VIII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6B1roRomA "Coming this fall, the most-anticipated action adventure of the year. A story of one man's struggle to save mankind from extermination, and his quest to win the heart of the woman he loves. An epic so stunning, your emotions will stir ... your heart will race ... and your thumbs will be really, really sore. Final Fantasy VIII. Coming to a home theater near you." Along with the lack of subtlety in reusing multiple elements from the narration heard in the FFVII commercials, SCEA's commercial for FFVIII brings with it a lot of the same hyperbole and outright inaccuracy. For example, here we have Final Fantasy once again being billed as "the most-anticipated epic adventure of the year." In a year that saw the release of "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace," "The Matrix," "The Mummy" and "The World is Not Enough" -- that seems downright unlikely. Apparently Squall and Cloud were both solo acts, because this commercial reuses the idea of "one man's struggle to save mankind from extermination." It, of course, also brings in the love story angle, though describing it completely inaccurately. Squall doesn't have any quest to win Rinoa's heart; she is the one trying to win his heart. As if all this wasn't enough, the comment from the commercial about sore thumbs suggests that FFVIII is something more akin to a game like "Street Fighter." Unless this is supposed to be a reference to using the Boost G.F. ability, the comment completely misrepresents the type of gaming experience one could actually expect out of FFVIII. SCEA's ads from that time are simply not the place to look for accurate representations of the games they were advertising. Not that SCEA is the sole offender in this regard with their Final Fantasy marketing. Japanese Final Fantasy commercials range from misleading to patently absurd. This commercial for Final Fantasy VI presents Terra seemingly about to attack Tokyo in her Magitek Armor from the beginning of the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72DmCaczYMc Obvioiusly, that doesn't happen, nor does the game even take place on Earth. For the North American release of FFVI (relabeled as "Final Fantasy III"), we got this commercial featuring Mog holding auditions for creatures to appear in the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBG4TUPxQ0U It goes without saying that this in no way reflects the actual story of the game. It doesn't even make sense for that matter, as it depicts Mog rejecting creatures who actually do appear in the game, including the likes of Typhoon and Deathgaze. When it comes to marketing, Nintendo, Sony Computer Entertainment America or Square itself would -- if they thought it would get people to buy the game -- do something as ridiculous and unrelated to the actual game as showcase an ostritch running down a beach to the tune of Final Fantasy's traditional chocobo theme. Or even having an ostritch scream at the camera to the tune of the same. In fact, Square did just that in these commercials for Final Fantasy IV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNgG4RIqaiU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uB8gbWAuV4 Consider as well an early trailer for Dissidia Final Fantasy that featured a scene of the Emperor, Garland, Kuja and Ultimecia appearing before Squall and Firion to claim that Cosmos was actually malevolent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA55xfvN03U (fan translation of transcript from 1:07 to 1:49) ---- ::The Emperor stands before Firion and Squall:: Emperor: "A goddess with dominion over all upon the earth, Cosmos. Is she really one worth believing in?" Firion: "What?" ::Garland begins speaking as the camera pans over to him, having appeared behind the two Warriors of Cosmos:: Garland: "Chaos and Cosmos are destined to fight for eternity. We will battle forever with hope of neither salvation nor future." ::Kuja has now appeared on a pillar above the others:: Kuja: "In short, you are pawns to the whims of gods." ::Ultimecia begins speaking as she teleports in beside the Emperor:: Ultimecia: "When you reach the crystals, you will realize that the true identity of Cosmos is that of a goddess of death who revels in endless bloodbaths!" ---- Whether part of an early idea to reveal Cosmos was less benevolent than she seemed or simply a scheme by that game's villains to get Cosmos's warriors to lose faith in her, it is an abandoned sub-plot from the game's advertising that never made it into the final game -- a discarded scene that occupied forty-two seconds of a trailer that was only just over three and a half minutes! Furthermore, this trailer was released by Square Enix itself rather than a third party who did their own editorializing. While on the topic of Dissidia, did you choose to fight for Chaos or Cosmos? Were you villain or hero? You say you only had the option to be on Cosmos's side? What then of the "What Will You Fight For?" advertising campaign that North America and Europe saw for Dissidia? Take a look at the official North American Dissidia website. As soon as the site loads, one is immediately greeted with the tagline, as well as presented with it again after the brief animated intro, at which point the site prompts users to "choose your allegiance": http://na.square-enix.com/dissidia/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ Screenshot_2013-04-23-18-25-32-1_zpsd9fac92f.png See, too, these wallpapers from the official site: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ CosmosWallpaper_zps65176c58.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ChaosWallpaper_zps602bf3d3.jpg There's also the E3 2009 trailer for the game's North American release, the final thirty seconds of which proposes "fight for good" and "fight for evil" -- each followed by brief clips from cutscenes in the game's story mode -- before asking "What will you fight for?": (trailer also available on official website) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCyFjywMTo Even more relevant, take notice of the back cover for literally any of the North American and PAL releases of the game's case, which feature "What will you fight for?" prominently. For several examples, see below: (United States) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 13N6f_zpsdad6017b.jpeg (United Kingdom) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 13MWL_zpsadf74dbd.jpeg (France) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 13MXL_zpsa4c583d3.jpeg (Italy) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 13N0b_zpsd199a553.jpeg Even the back cover of the Dissidia Final Fantasy Official Strategy Guide carries the meaningless tagline, along with this misleading promise to players: "Ten warriors have been summoned by the goddess Cosmos to do battle with the ten that have been summoned by Chaos. Will the courage, power, and skill of the heroes overcome the forces of darkness? ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE." Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ T2eC16dHJHoE9n3KgI0UBQG3ly0y660_3_zps1dddfaef.jpg Given that the player simpy cannot fight for any side but harmony in the actual game, is it possible that all this advertising was intended only to sell the product? For another example of misleading advertising both by Square Enix and even closer to home, consider the early trailers for Advent Children that implied Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz served the "Wheelchair Man" (as he was known among the fandom in pre-release speculation), only for the identity of this figure to be revealed in the film itself as Rufus Shinra, an enemy to the three silver-haired men. Likewise, what of this promotional image for the Episode:Denzel OVA?: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ EpisodeDenzelpromoimage2-2_zps3cc69fd2.jpg At no point in the short film do all these characters sit down together at a table at Johnny's Heaven. In fact, Cloud and Tifa do not even appear in any of the present-day scenes from the animation. On this matter of marketing, the bottom line is this: Advertising is not to be trusted as an accurate representation of a story. It *may* be, but only when verified by other materials. Marketing of a work does not supercede the work itself. Along those very lines, let us now come round to the subject of Amano's promotional artwork as it relates -- or doesn't -- to Final Fantasy VII. As it stands today, there are stll only two images of Cloud and Sephiroth together drawn by Amano, one of which didn't appear until almost 16 years after FFVII's release as the disc art for FFVII in the FF 25th Anniversary Ultimate Box: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudandsephiroth2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudandsephiroth.jpg Meanwhile, three images exist of Cloud and Red XIII together -- four if one counts the image of the two alongside Barret and Aerith: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ blink.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heel.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rest.jpg If Amano drawing Cloud and Aerith together so many times is supposed to indicate that Cloud is in love with her and his relationship with her is his most significant in the story, then the logical implication of Cloud having more images with Red than anyone but Aerith is -- what exactly? That Red is Cloud's next most significant relationship? Because I would disagree. I hope that even the most loyal subscribers to this line of reasoning would agree that Cloud's relationship with Tifa is far more important than his relationship with Red, yet they don't have even a single image from Amano together. Likewise, I would hope that those supporters of the argument would agree that Cloud's relationship with Sephiroth is also more important, despite their only getting two pictures from Amano together (only one around the time of the game's release). I would even argue that Cloud's relationship with Barret is more important, but they don't have any pictures together aside from that group image that also includes Aerith and Red XIII. Also, what of these two of Aerith and Sephiroth?: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ giving.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ looking.jpg Both have been around since the time of the game's release. Does this, then, mean that Sephiroth and Aerith's relationship was more significant than whatever Sephiroth had with Cloud, seeing as Sephiroth and Cloud had only the one drawing together for so many years? Let's consider Amano's art as it relates to Final Fantasy VIII now as well. Squall and Selphie have but a single image from Amano together -- yet that is all that Squall and Rinoa have. Furthermore, the name Amano gave to this drawing of Squall and Selphie is "Serenade" (小夜曲 in Japanese kanji; セレナーデ in Japanese katakana) as seen on pg. 122 of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ serenade.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cAxGOLv.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ h8wdwBl.jpg As readers will no doubt be aware, the Italian word "serenade" (also an English loan-word at this point) refers to a musical composition or performance held in someone's honor, and has traditionally been performed throughout history by a man for his lady love. Given the heavily European influence imbued into FFVIII's world setting and designs, it is unlikely such a romantic implication would have been lost on Amano were he otherwise thoroughly engrossed in knowledge of the game and *not* wanting to attach romantic implications to this picture of two characters who -- in the game proper -- have no romantic affiliation whatsoever. Why give the wrong impression then? Could it just be that Amano draws whatever he feels like -- not that he necessarily follows directions given to him meant to convey the story? In fact, yes. It not only could be the case; it is. In a feature on Amano published by Kotaku on October 17, 2012, he and interviewer Jason Schreier had the following exchange concerning the way Amano works on character designs: ---- "They'll come and say we need a character: here's the age, it's a boy or a girl, or it's this kind of personality," Amano said, "and just the very basic things like in the game it's a bad guy or a good guy or whatever it is, and I'll go from there. It's important for [me] -- even though they'll tell me something -- to break away from those elements so you never know what'll happen. You probably produce your best stuff when you don't listen." "Do your bosses get mad?" I asked. Amano laughed. "No, you just draw another one." ---- Amano even openly admits here to breaking away from the brief descriptions he is given about characters from their respective stories' developers. He simply draws whatever he feels like instead. The Kotaku article goes on to say that Amano sends off what he draws to those who commissioned the work, hoping they'll just accept most of it regardless of his eccentricities: ---- The designer referred to his work as "just drawing pictures," which, while more difficult than it sounds, is spot on: he does not create 3D graphics or animate characters. He just sketches designs and sends them off to the team, hoping that "at least 70%" of what he had in mind will show up in the final product. ---- What's more, during the course of the article, Amano admits to not even actually playing the games he does designs for: ---- Amano seems to be a huge fan of gaming as a form of expression, so I was curious: does he ever play video games? "No," he said. Back when he was first working on the original Final Fantasy, some 25 years ago, Square would send him games to play, but his kids would just grab them off the counter. Amano's kids, now 35 and 33, grew up with the games that he drew art for. "The kids would just take the controllers and start playing," Amano said, laughing. "I wanted to play, I just never had the opportunity." Amano might not have played any of the Final Fantasy games, but it's hard to disagree with his personal favorite. When I asked if he was particularly proud of his work on any of the Final Fantasy games, he said yes: Final Fantasy VI. ---- Source: http://kotaku.com/5952339/ the-artist-behind-final-fantasy-just-wants-to-draw-cute-girls It seems likely that Amano knows next to nothing about the games he does promotional art for. Given the focus on Selphie early in FFVIII, if, indeed, he gave the game itself any attention at all, he may have completely misunderstood who the game's theme of romantic love would revolve around. While still on FFVIII, Amano drew a number of pictures involving Squall and Seifer; two images of them together as their reflections gleam off one another's gunblades, then two more of each of them positioned and colored in contrast to one another: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aworthyrival1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aworthyrival2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ attack.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ rising.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ coldblade.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ fightingspirit.jpg There are six images total either placing Squall and Seifer together or contrasting them to one another. Not only does this make for more images of Squall with any other one individual character from his game, but it also makes for as many images of he and that character portrayed in relation to one another as we have pictures of Cloud and Aerith in total drawn together by Amano. This gives the impression that Squall and Seifer's rivalry is central to the story, yet -- while it is significant early in the game -- Seifer is largely irrelevant to the story after Disc 2 (of 4) ends, and Squall remains far more occupied with Rinoa's well-being than Seifer for the rest of the game. Following the logic that more pictures of the characters being related to one another entails greater significance to their relationship, however, these images would indicate that Squall's relationship with Seifer is of utmost significance in FFVIII -- even more important than Sephiroth and Cloud's relation to one another in FFVII. That is, of course, patently absurd, as is interpreting these stories through Amano's artwork in the first place. There is no theme in which canon FF couples are given especial attention by Amano in his artwork for a game. Despite Cecil and Rosa marrying in the ending to FFIV, Amano didn't make an image of them together until he drew this image to promote the release of FFIV Advance -- 14 years later: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ KainCecilandRosa.jpg Even then, the image is not overtly romantic in any way and the two have to share the image with Kain, the game's other main character. Despite this, Amano had no qualms about drawing -- of all people -- Seymour and Yuna's wedding for FFX, and with the two about to kiss at that -- even though she was forced into the whole thing: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ whispersinthenight.jpg It would be until 2008 and the promotion of FFIV: The After Years that Amano would draw Cecil and Rosa together in an image that is romantic, as the following image depicts them with their son and the two of them in an intimate embrace: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ CeodoreCecilandRosa.jpg Further driving home the point that Amano's art is essentially irrelevant, Celes and Locke from FFVI didn't have a single piece of artwork depicting them together until 2006 in promotion for the release of FFVI Advance, 12 years after the game was originally released -- and even then, they had to share the image with the rest of the main cast. Meanwhile, there was an image from Amano depicting Locke with Terra since 1994: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FFVIcastbyAmano.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lockeandterra.jpg It goes without saying that those latter two have no romantic relationship. Finally, there's nothing of Vaan and Penelo from FFXII either, but for their game's disc art in the FF 25th Anniversary Ultimate Box, Amano did do a drawing of Vaan and Fran together -- in fact, the only image Amano did for FFXII of just two characters: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ vaanandfran.jpg Again, it likely goes without saying that there is no canon romantic couple being depicted here either. Unless Tifa and Cloud don't have a meaningful relation to one another, Seifer's relationship with Squall is more important than his relationship with Rinoa (or Selphie for that matter), Celes and Locke have no relationship to speak of, and Fran is closer to Vaan than Penelo -- it stands to reason that Amano's art does not convey the stories of the Final Fantasy series. As with all the marketing and promotional material we have examined, the moral of the story remains the same: Advertising is not to be trusted as an accurate representation of a story. It *may* be, but only when verified by other materials. Marketing of a work does not supercede the work itself. ==== -Claim: In a 2007 issue of Dengeki PlayStation, Tetsuya Nomura made the following comment about Advent Children: "I believe, for those who formerly traveled with her as comrades and for the viewers, each carries their own feelings and loves for Aerith. In this story, Cloud also carries his own undying feeling for Aerith even to this very day." Having "undying feelings" for someone usually indicates romantic feelings -- and Nomura clearly differentiates Cloud's feelings for Aerith from that of everyone else in AVALANCHE here. Furthermore, because this interview was from 2007, after the release of both Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, Nomura is trying to tell us that Cloud's longing for Aerith lasts even beyond the events of those two titles. Response: To start off, the quote is actually from the October 24, 2003 issue of Famitsu PS2. Sources: http://web.archive.org/web/20120515032229/http:// ff7ac.hotcafe.to/magazine/magazine03.html http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/product/magazine/03003520 Secondly, there's actually no comparison here between Cloud's feelings for Aerith and those of the rest of AVALANCHE, nor does the quote even mention Aerith's comrades on the team. A more accurate translation would be: "I think that for all those players with whom Aerith traveled as a comrade, each carries their own feelings and love for Aerith. In this story, Cloud also carries his own feeling for Aerith that even now hasn't died ..." Third, the commonly spread version of the quote seen under the "Claim" marker above also leaves out the last several lines of the quote, which are vital to identifying the "undying feeling" in question. This is the complete quote: ---- I think that for all those players with whom Aerith traveled as a comrade, each carries their own feelings and love for Aerith. In this story, Cloud also carries his own feeling for Aerith that even now hasn't died .... Its relation to the church scene is .... Yeah. I'll leave this to everyone's imagination. (laughs) ---- Japanese text: ---- エアリスは = This marks Aerith as the topic of discussion かつてともに旅をした仲間 = a comrade who once travelled together [with the rest of them] で = comes from the verb “to be”/”is”, and is conjunctive. It means “[Aerith] is [a comrade who [they] once travelled with], and...,” but in the mistranslation seems to have been taken as “for those who travelled...” 受け手側の皆さんにも = [and...] in/for everyone in the audience too それぞれの愛情や想いがあると思います = he thinks they each have their own affection and feelings. この物語のクラウドも、エアリスに対して、いまもなお死なぬ想いはあると・・・・ = [he thinks] that Cloud in this story [Cloud of this story] also has some lingering feelings [feelings that are “not dead even now/still”] towards Aerith... There is no comparison because the feelings of other characters for Aerith and Cloud's, because the rest of AVALANCHE are not mentioned. If there is a comparison, it would have to be between Cloud and the audience. But there isn't a contrast in the Japanese like there is in the translation. There is nothing that would correspond to “his own” in English. ---- This interview also took place well before even the original edition of Advent Children was released. This was only a month after the project's development had been announced at Tokyo Game Show 2003. Nomura was teasing the eager fans. He didn't identify exactly what Cloud's unique "undying feeling" for Aerith was, but he hinted that it was related to "the church scene." So, what is this feeling that's ultimately given so much attention in the film? Guilt, as we've discussed before. In both editions of the movie, the wolf that symbolizes Cloud's guilt appears in Aerith's church when Cloud finds Tifa beaten up there, and the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania also refers to Aerith as a symbol of his failures to protect those he cares about (pg. 50; pg. 52 of the Revised Edition) -- reproducing Nomura's comment here point for point, and explicitly identifying "Cloud's unique feeling" as guilt: "Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet. And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to ... protect those dear to him." For that matter, at the time Nomura made his comment about "the church scene," there had only been *one* church scene shown thus far -- the one with Cloud walking down the main aisle of the church in the trailers from TGS 2003's first, second and third days (three trailers were shown during the event, one each day). In that scene, Cloud can be heard saying, "I think I want to be forgiven. Yeah, I want to be forgiven." The only church scene shown to the public at that point -- indeed, the only one that existed at the time -- was this one featuring Cloud's desire for atonement. For reference, let us turn to pg. 13 of the Reunion Files, where Takahiro Sakurai, Cloud's voice actor, says the following: ---- The first recording I did for this project was for a trailer shown at the Tokyo Game Show 2003. It was only four lines, like "I want to be forgiven," but it took me over an hour and a half just to get through them (laughs)! ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wanttobeforgiven_zps95c33c78.jpg Japanese text: ---- 最初のアフレコは東京ゲームショウ2003トレーラーでしたね。「うん、 俺は許されたい」他の、たった4つのセリフだったのに、その収録だけに 1時間半以もかかりました。ええ（笑）。 ---- The footage that existed at the time is corroborated by pg. 74 of the Reunion Files: ---- The first time the title and visuals were revealed to the public was at a presentation held during the 2003 Tokyo Game Show (TGS), from September 26 through 28. In fact, the only visuals that existed at this point were this three-minute movie and the secret proto-movie described earlier. In other words, this sneak preview was actually the pilot. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tgs2003_zpsfd18b939.jpg Japanese text: ---- 初めて一般に向けてタイトルとその映像が公開されたのは2003年9月 26日〜28日の東京ゲームショウ（TGS）の時に行われた制作発表会 だった。だが実はこの時点で存在した映像は、前出の幻のプロトムービー 以外、この3分の映像しかなかった。そう、この初公開映像は俗に言う 「パイロットフィルム」そのものだったのである。 ---- Recollections from Nomura on the same page echo these observations: ---- We decided from the beginning that we wouldn't use the TGS movie in the final version. It was really just a pilot film. We produced three different versions and played one on each day of the TGS, but made them so that they hardly implied FFVII at all. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tgs2003-2_zps25b987a3.jpg Japanese text: ---- TGSで公開する映像は本編では使わないって最初から決まっていたので、 本当にパイロットフィルムという感じでしたね。TGSの3日間、毎日違う バージョンを流して3バージョン作りましたが、「VII」のこともほとんど 語らない、という感じに仕上げました。 ---- Here also are links to all three Tokyo Game Show trailers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD-aZa-jTNY (Day 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bADv4C2e0Vc (Day 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAaATUs5dM (Day 3) The counterargument has been made, however, that Cloud's feeling described in Nomura's quote could not be guilt -- mind you, despite no other feeling applying to the church scene from the Tokyo Game Show trailers or even the same scene in the final film -- due to it being described as "undying," whereas Cloud's guilt is resolved during Advent Children. This is, quite simply, a misunderstanding of the words taken to be "undying" here. As further explained by hitoshura: ---- A key issue to consider here is the use of いまもなお (“even now”/”still”) in this sentence. There are two ways one can read it. One is to apply “even now”/”still” to “have”/”has” and, thus, read the sentence as “still has [undying feelings].” The other is to apply “still”/”even now” to “not dead” and to read the sentence as Cloud having “feelings that are even now not dead.” There are examples of other phrases using the same structure as this phrase, such as 今もなお消えぬ. Thus, it is a valid reading of the line to take it as “feelings that are still not dead.” This also only frames the statement in the present, and says nothing about the permanence of the feelings. ... I don't think they really are “undying.” I think it's simply saying “feelings that are not dead even now.” In other words, feelings that are still lingering and that remain even now. In Japanese, there are only really two tenses: past tense and a present/future tense (or “non-past”). I've seen it called “complete” and “not complete” as well. “Undying” here would be “non-past” (死なぬ, which is another form of 死なない). The phrase, for reference: いまもなお死なぬ想いはある (“still”/”even now”; “not dead”; “feelings”; “have”/”has”) I have tried using Google to fetch some other examples, but the only results you get for the exact phrase いまもなお死なぬ are this particular quote. So I decided to look at another phrase that has a similar meaning: 今もなお消えぬ (“even now”/”still not disappeared”). These are some of the results I found: 過去の約束／今もなお消えぬ想い (“promise from the past”/”feelings that still have not disappeared”; the chapter title of a story) 今もなお消えぬ伝説 (“the legend that even now has not disappeared”; someone's Twitter about something called “Eros Night” or something) 今もなお消えぬ、日本に対する悪意と憎悪 (“the ill will and hatred towards Japan that even now has not disappeared”; from a review of the film “Don't Cry, Nanking”/”Nanjing 1937”) 今もなお消えぬ情熱 (“the passion that has not disappeared even now”; from a blog about a disgraced sumo wrestler who still wants to wrestle) 今もなお消えぬ記憶 (“memories that even now have not disappeared”; from some lyrics) 今もなお消えぬ想い (“feelings which even now have not disappeared”; from some lyrics) 今もなお消えぬ憎しみ (“hatred that still has not disappeared”; from a “Code Geass” fanfic) 今もなお消えぬ復讐心 (“desire for revenge that has not disappeared even now”; from a description of a story) 今もなお、消えぬトラウマ (“trauma that even now has not disappeared”; from a piece of fan fiction) 今もなお消えぬアイヌ差別 (“discrimination against Ainu which has still not disappeared”; from a news report) In these examples (though I have quoted only part of the sentences for the sake of brevity), “still”/”even now” appears to apply more to the verb (“not disappeared”) modifying the nouns (feelings/memories/hatred/etc.) than to the main verbs in these sentences. Which leads to me believe that 今もなお消えぬ (and, thus, 今もなお死なぬ) works as a singular phrase. Taking this into account, it is my proposition that the phrase in Nomura's quote means that these feelings still linger for Cloud rather than the feelings themselves being “eternal” or such. Nomura starts this sentence with “Cloud in this story as well,” which sets up a time frame. A few uses I saw in my brief research had sentences that expressed the passage of time; that even though a certain amount of time had passed, something has still not disappeared. “This story” that Nomura is talking about is also set several years after the original game, with two years passed since the end of that story. Rather than saying he still has feelings even now that are “undying,” he is instead saying that he has feelings that still remain “not dead.” Despite the possible ambiguities of the Japanese non-past tense and whether or not it is talking about the present or the future, there would be a number of ways to express that these feelings are not going to die and, therefore, remain forever: 決して死なぬ想い 絶対に死なぬ想い いつまでも死なぬ想い However, those specify that it will “never” or “definitely not” die. This phrase from Nomura's quote, however, puts us in the present by saying “even now.” It's not talking about the future, but rather talking about the feelings in the present. It's talking about what the feelings are doing “even now.” It doesn't mean that those feelings are going to remain for eternity, as has been argued. It doesn't negate the interpretation that Nomura might be referring to Cloud's guilt, which was said not to make sense because Nomura is talking about “undying (=eternal) feelings” and Cloud's guilt is lifted during Advent Children. Cloud's guilt is very much “still not dead” in Advent Children. If you look at the examples I gave above, the pain and trauma in some examples may at some point “disappear.” Some would be beneficial to vanish, like discriminationand hatred, hurt and desire for revenge. There isn't any way of telling if they will go away or not, but all we're given is that those emotions remain at this point in time. I don't especially feel that Cloud doesn't have certain feelings or a love for Aerith that will stay with him. But the conclusion I've reached from everything that has been released leads me to believe that it's not something that will remain in a way that would hinder Cloud having a relationship with Tifa, or lead him to continue a “spiritual” relationship with Aerith. And, after consideration, I don't believe that this quote in particular is talking about any permanent feelings that Cloud harbors. ---- Even if "undying" were the correct reading, however, this word doesn't apply to only that which is inextinguishable. Vampires and Elves are frequently portrayed in fiction as undying (i.e. as time progresses, they are not in a constant state of eventual decay like humans), but can be killed through the correct means. The race from FFXII called the Undying, as well as the same game's final boss, are likewise -- undying, yet can also be killed. That which is undying is only so until it has died. For examples within Final Fantasy, one need look no further than the aforementioned last boss of FFXII. The form Vayne takes when he fuses with Venat's power is called "The Undying" -- and not just in the English translation. The Japanese name for this boss is 不滅なるもの ? "that which/he who is undying." The Occuria of the same game are also referred to in both languages as "the undying" (不滅なる神; "kami who are undying") but they very much can be killed, as Venat kindly demonstrates. For that matter, if one wants to make the case this feeling being described isn't guilt, they're still going to have to attempt divorcing that quote from its full context (i.e. the sentences that immediately follow): "Its relation to the church scene is.... Yeah. I'll leave this to everyone's imagination. (laughs)" In any case, if Nomura was talking about something that goes beyond Advent Children, you have to wonder why he would use "in this story" to describe the feeling and then relate that feeling to a specific scene in the trailer where Cloud speaks of wanting forgiveness. The point becomes all the more clear when you look at the finished work and find in that scene a manifestation of Cloud's guilt, bearing in mind such things as Aerith's 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile (pg. 50; pg. 52 of the Revised Edition) saying that, at the time of Advent Children, Aerith was the symbol of Cloud's regrets. Added to that, the character association chart in the same book (pg. 121; pg. 123 of the Revised Edition) has an arrow running from Cloud to Aerith that says "sense of guilt" (?罪の意識). While guilt certainly isn't all that he felt for her, and while he may indeed carry an especial fondness for her all through his life, it only stands to reason that in this particular quote about Advent Children, Nomura was referring to Cloud's guilt. That's what the whole film centers around: his struggles with his guilt and coming to terms with himself. == -Claim: To some, Aerith's death is the end of the love triangle. She and Tifa both want Cloud. Maybe Cloud is attracted to both of them. Then Aerith dies and his only remaining option is Tifa. But what if that's not the case? In the real world, it would be. But this is Final Fantasy and the "fantasy" in the title is important to keep in mind. Even more importantly, this is Final Fantasy VII, where the rules for life, death and what falls in between are even less rigid than they are in most FF titles. In FFVII, we learn that death is not the end of life; it is but another phase in the cycle of life. The body dies, but the spirit lives on -- and may even be seen again. FFVII's metaphysics are quite similar to that of Final Fantasy X and X-2, where the dead who had a strong will and were attached to the living world by a powerful emotion could bind themselves to the living world and persist. These "unsent" as they are called are essentially the same as Sephiroth, whose hatred for Cloud and humanity allowed him to cheat death not once, but twice. But who else may they be similar to that we find in FFVII's world? Who else has died and continued to interact with the living world at times? Aerith herself, of course. Not only does Aerith's status as a Cetra mean that her spirit doesn't have to diffuse into the Lifestream, but she also has a powerful emotion keeping her tethered to the living world: her love for Cloud. We are assured on pg. 151 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega that death need not be the end for Cloud and Aerith's love: ---- Cait Sith No. 1's Final Divination Since he had another body, Cait Sith undertook the unsealing puzzle, but predicted Cloud and Aerith's compatibility first. The result was "Aerith's star and Cloud's star! They show a great future!" With knowledge of the story's later developments, the prediction becomes tragic, but if the meaning of "future" is taken from another angle, hope can still be perceived ... perhaps. [Screenshot caption] Cait Sith's line that seems to anticipate Cloud and Aerith's wedding arouses further sadness. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ caitsithprediction_zpsc95a97b3.jpg Japanese text: ---- ケット・シー初号機最後の占い かわりのボディがあるからと言ってパズルの解除を引き受けたケット・シーは、 最後にクラウドとエアリスの相性を占う。 結果は「エアリスさんの星とクラウドさんの星！すてき な未来が 約束されてます！」とのこと。その後のの物語の展開を知っていると悲しくなる 占いだが、別の角度から「未来」の意味をとらえれば、希望が見えてくる ……かもしれない。 [Screenshot caption] クラウドとエアリスの結婚式を期待するようなケット・シーのセリフが、 ますますせつなさをかき立てる。 ---- Cait Sith predicted Cloud and Aerith would get married, and while some would be quick to claim that he was wrong because of Aerith's sudden death, we are told here that hope lives on. For that matter, even after she has died, Aerith still thinks that she may be able to properly convey her feelings to Cloud and for them to become lovers and a family, as shown in Maiden Who Travels the Planet on pg. 579 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: (translation by LHYeung/Xcomp) ---- Maybe she could be clear about her affections towards Cloud here. Then maybe they would be seen as family or lovers... During her lifetime in Midgar, she felt many souls of the ones that tried to confess their love. Those that still had those feelings or had those feelings left behind them could strongly retain their consciousness as a "whole." ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ypIsj5Y.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ Exkv5m7.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドへの未練が、自分を”はっきり”させている のかも知れない。そうやって 家族や恋人にひと目会おうと?愛していたと告げようと遠い地で死んだ人の 魂がやってくるのを、のをミッドガルでの生活の間に彼女は何度か感じ ていた。残した想いと、残された人の想いが、゛個゛の意識を強く保つこと があるのだと。 ---- We also know that Cait Sith's predictions carry some validity because of a certain other prediction he had for Cloud: (pg. 120 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- Divination With Profound Meaning Cait Sith's predictions of Sephiroth's whereabouts result in 3 outcomes. Disregarding the first two, in order to deceive the party, the third prediction becomes an excuse for Cait Sith to follow them ?-- he says, "What you pursue will be yours. But you will lose something dear." When the story progresses to the Forgotten Capital, "you will lose something dear" seems to refer to the loss of Aerith, but when it advances to the Great Northern Cave, it can be thought of as the breakdown of Cloud's sense of self. [Screenshot caption] Is it just something he thought up as an excuse to join the group? ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ prediction_zpsb7176c6d.jpg Japanese text: ---- 意味深な占い セフィロスの行方に関するケット・シーの占いの結果は3つ。最初のふたつ はともかく、引っかかるのは、ケット・シーが一行についていくきっかけと なった3つ目の占い――「 求めれば必ず会えます。しかし最も大切なものを 失います」というものだ。忘らるる都まで物語を進めれば、「最も大切なもの を失います」とはエアリスを失うこと だったとも思 えるし、さらに大空洞まで 進めれば、クラウドが自我崩壊に至ることを示唆していたとも受け取れる。 [Screenshot caption] それとも単に、仲間に加わる口実をひねり出すためのもの？ ---- Added to that, Cait Sith's profile on pg. 61 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega (pg. 63 of the Revised Edition) tells us that, despite being a Shin-Ra spy, his claims of being a fortune-teller aren't entirely false ? and even points out that he predicted some things with great accuracy in Before Crisis: (translation by Quexinos) ---- This fortune-telling machine’s reputation is not just for show! Cait Sith’s fortune telling compilation In FFVII, Cait Sith ambushes Cloud and co., introducing himself with “I’m a fortune telling machine.” Fortune telling is originally Cait Sith’s special skill, so this may not be a complete lie. Although the things he says in FFVII are random, in BC, he shows extraordinary skill, pinpointing the place of destination exactly. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ random.jpg Japanese text: ---- 占いマシーンの名はダテじゃないケット・シーの占い集 『FFVII』でケット・シーは、クラウドたちをゴールドソーサーで待ち伏せし、 「自分はここの占いマシーンだ」と自己紹介する。これは真っ赤なウン というわけではなく、 占いはもともとケット・シーの特技。『FFVII』 ではテキトーなことも言うが、『BC』では目的地をピタリと当てるなど、 並々ならぬ腕前を見せる。 ---- As can be seen here, death was never the end for Cloud and Aerith's growing love. Even at the end of Advent Children, we see him out searching for Aerith and finding her waiting for him in a field of flowers. Her love for him is so great, in fact, that rather than being confined to the Lifestream, her spirit resides within Cloud himself -- perhaps by virtue of all the extra Lifestream his body has absorbed over the years from mako infusion and more than one fall into the planet. We know this because Tetsuya Nomura plainly says so in The Distance making-of featurette for Advent Children: (official English translation): ---- The words "memetic legacy" are used a lot in the film, but in Advent Children, rather than focusing on memories we wanted to show that consciousness is what lives on. We took the ending of the game and expanded on that idea. Even if they're dead, their consciousness is still with us. As for Cloud, he sees Aerith several times throughout the film. It's not that he sees her because he feels her presence. He sees her because her consciousness lives on inside him. ---- Source .gif: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ insidecloud.gif Perhaps this is why only Cloud is able to see and hear Aerith in Advent Children. As is plain to see, death was not the end for Cloud and Aerith. It was simply a new beginning. Response: To begin with, Cait Sith is hardly a reliable source for anything related to divinating the future. Yes, as a literary device, his prediction that Cloud would lose something dear proved to be foreshadowing -- but as an authentic oracle within the fictional world he inhabits he falls far short. His profiles in official guidebooks tend to point out that the things he predicts are random nonsense and that he only pretended to be a fortune teller in order to get close to AVALANCHE: (pg. 41 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- Fortune-telling ability? Cait Sith, a self-proclaimed fortune-telling machine, occasionally makes predictions, such as divining Sephiroth's whereabouts when he joins the party, the journey's outlook, Cloud and Aerith's compatability, etc. However, he's almost always off the mark, and the ability is dubious. [Screenshot caption] It seems that something like a fortune slip is printed out and interpreted ... ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ divination_zps27fbff3a.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?占いの腕前は？ 自称占いマシーンのケット・シーは、仲間に加わるときにセフィロスの 居場所を占うほか、冒険の展望やクラウドとエアリスの相性など、 ちょくちょく占いをしてい る。もっとも 、それが当たることはほとんどなく、その 腕前は怪しいもの。 [Screenshot caption] おみくじのようなものを振り出して占っているようだが……。 ---- (pg. 60 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania; pg. 62 of the Revised Edition) ---- Pretending to be a fortune-telling machine based at the Gold Saucer, he says he wants to "see what it leads to" and strongarms his way close to Cloud. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ fakefortuneteller_zps46ed4ef9.jpg Japanese text: ---- ゴールドサーサーに設置された占いマシーンだと偽り、「運勢を見る」と言って 強引にクラウドに接近する。 ---- Even the passage from Cait Sith's profile in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania that says his fortune-telling is "not just for show" points out that the things he said in FFVII were nonsense and that it is only in Before Crisis that he seems to demonstrate any measure of profound ability. Of course, as anyone familiar with Episode 20 of Before Crisis will know, Reeve and Veld were old friends. Veld had been researching the support materia the Turks were seeking and even shows up at the reactor in Gongaga to assist in securing it. It's likely that Reeve had learned of the support materia's location from Veld and been asked to assist the Turks. As well, Cait Sith's knowledge of the layout inside the reactor isn't unexpeccted of the Shin-Ra executive in charge of urban development. There was no clairvoyance at work here. Simply the exchange of information and a request between friends, as well as the knowledge you would expect a company executive to have of his organization's most valuable resources. We're not actually dealing with a magical fairy cat riding a toy Moogle that he magically brought to life. We're dealing with an animatronic cat riding atop an animatronic Moogle, both of which are being operated via remote control by a businessman in a suit back at Shin-Ra headquarters. For that matter, if Cait Sith's operator, Reeve, was a legitimate oracle, one would think he might have more clearly predicted the death of the woman who asked him to determine her compatability with Cloud only a short time before her murder. That would have been much more useful information. Even if he could or should be given any deference as one able to predict such things as compatability between people, he would have been "reading the stars" while Cloud was still in the thick of his false, composite personality. Cait Sith -- which, again, is to say Reeve -- never did anything like this for the two of them after Cloud's true persona was restored, and certainly not while Cloud was in his proper state and Aerith also still alive. Lest we forget, by the way, Aerith does not actually ponder whether she and Cloud can still become lovers after her death. The most commonly known translation of that passage from Maiden Who Travels the Planet is mistaken. As hitoshura explains: ---- -“Maybe she could be clear about her affections towards Cloud here." Maybe her attachment to Cloud is keeping her "clear" (i.e. "solid"). クラウドへの = ~towards Cloud 未練が = lingering attachment (towards something) [which is the agent of the following verb shown by the が] 自分を = herself [which is the object of the verb as indicated by the を] ”はっきり”させている = to be made 'clear' (as opposed to the other souls in the Lifestream) のかも知れない = maybe, perhaps -"Then maybe they would be seen as family or lovers..." The problem here is that this is part of a much longer sentence (the rest of this quote is all one sentence), which has been split up and misconstrued. そうやって = in that way (having lingering attachments to the world) 家族や恋人に = family and lovers (and others) [which is the subject/target of the following verb shown by the に] ひと目会おうと? = to see once more [〜よう（おう）と meaning something they are trying to do, and the dash leave it trailing and connects it with the next line] -"During her lifetime in Midgar, she felt many souls of the ones that tried to confess their love." The first part is fine (up to 'many souls'), but it's the end where it loses it. Which happens to be the beginning of the Japanese sentence. 愛していた = was in love with, did love, loved と告げようと = try to tell [family/lovers/etc.] [the first と showing what they were to say/tell, the stuff before it, and the second と being to show they were trying to do something as with above] 遠い地で = in distant lands 死んだ人の魂が = souls of people who died [in distant lands] [が again] やってくる = arriving [coming to the place she was] のを = [のを making this whole lot that has come before into the subject of the sentence's final verb] ミッドガルでの生活の間に = during her life in Midgar/while living in Midgar 彼女は何度か感じていた = she had felt/sensed numerous times [the thing that was marked with のを] Put into a more readable English rendition, it could be something like this: "Numerous times during her life in Midgar she had sensed the souls of people who had died in distant lands coming to try to see their family or lovers one last time ? to tell them that they loved them." ---- Moving now to this matter of Aerith's spirit residing within Cloud, that is simply not the case and no reading of the material will ever support otherwise. As both Maiden Who Travels the Planet and On the Way to a Smile: Case of the Lifestream White plainly present, Aerith was within the Lifestream -- the great swell of spirit energy within the planet's mantle. Not within Cloud. Aerith even encounters Sephiroth's spirit and the spirits of other Cetra during this time. Unless all of them also reside within Cloud, she simply does not -- and if they all actually do, that would instantly eliminate any unique, special quality to Aerith herself being there. We're also told on pg. 131 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 133 of the Revised Edition) that, at the end of Advent Children, Aerith and Zack return to the Lifestream -- not to within Cloud: (translation by hitoshura) ---- The place where he awakens -- That is Cloud's Promised Land As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices. The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: he doesn't belong here yet. When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma -- his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realises where he is meant to live. He realises that he was able to forgive himself. And when he turns around -- 'she' is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness... And so they too go back to where they belong. Back to the current of life flowing around the planet -- ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ family7.jpg Japanese text: ---- 覚醒を迎える場所―― それはクラウドの約朿の地 眠るクラウドは、声を聞く。彼の大切、もういなくなってしまったふたりの声。 彼らは楽しげに、いたわるようにクラウドに告げる。ここはまだ、彼の居場所で はないのだと。 目覚めると、そこには仲間だいた。死の病から解き放たれた子どもたちがいた。 ティファとマリンと、彼の手で星痕を治してもらおうと願うデンゼルが――家族が待 っていた。祝 福に包まれ、彼は生きるべき場所を知る。自分を許すことが できたのだと知る。 そして、振り向くと――"彼女"が立ち去ろうとしている。クラウドに命をくれた 友とともに。もうクラウドは、孤独に苦しまずにすむ……だから彼らも、還るべき ところへ。 星をめぐる生命の流れのなかへ――。 ---- The point is even made that they have gone where they belong while Cloud remains where he belongs. Put simply: Cloud and Aerith were separated by death and they will not be spending casual time together, much less getting married. Aerith's death carries with it real and valuable consequences, regardless of whether death can be transcended in FFVII's world. It is not the natural order of things -- nor was it on FFX's world, for that matter (Auron: "Leave Spira to the living") -- and not something Aerith would seek to do save in order to address a crisis to the living world. As Case of the Lifestream White shows, Aerith didn't spend all her time in the Lifestream after Meteorfall thinking about Cloud and how to get back to him. She only took concern of him again after realizing that Sephiroth's lingering malice had targeted the surface and made use of his hatred for Cloud as his tether to the world. Furthermore, she only attempted to interact with the living world (i.e. Cloud) in the first place in order to address Sephiroth's defilement of the Lifestream and the surface world. As a ghost, he had no more business there than she, and his ongoing infection of the Lifestream required Cloud help her on the surface. It was only after attempting to make contact with Cloud that she would discover that he needed her help as much as she needed his. While on the topic of Aerith's spirit dwelling within Cloud, what Nomura actually said in Japanese during the Distance interview was nothing of the sort. As explained by hitoshura: ---- 死んでも意識というものがいつまでも残っている。クラウドがACの本編中に 何度もエアリスの姿を見ているんですけど、その意識を、死んだ人の命を 感じているか ら見えている というか。そこにその意識があると言うよりは、 生きている人の中にその意識があるからそこに見えているというか。 死んでも意識というものがいつまでも残っている "Even if they're dead, their consciousness is still with us." クラウドがACの本編中に何度もエアリスの姿を見ているんですけど、その意識を、 死んだ人の命を感じているから見えているというか "As for Cloud, he sees Aerith several times throughout the film. It's not that he sees her because he feels her presence." そこにその意識があると言うよりは、生きている人の中にその意識がある からそこに見えているというか。 "He sees her because her consciousness lives on inside him." 生きている = is living 人 = person(s) 生きている人 = person who is living Unless "person who is living" is Nomura's epithet for Cloud, yar, it be not what he literally says. Of course it would *include* Cloud, but not as the "they're super special" way people have made it out to be. ---- Explaining in further detail, Nomura's point here was not to make some remark on the special relationship Cloud and Aerith have. He's doing the opposite of that and making a remark about the relationship all people have -- specifically, the dead with the living. He uses Cloud and Aerith as a single example of a universal situation. A more accurate take on Nomura's block of text would be: "Even though they're dead, the consciousness remains forever. Cloud sees Aerith several times in Advent Children, though rather than seeing her consciousness because he is sensing the essence of a dead person, he sees her because the consciousness is within a person who is living." Nomura doesn't say that Aerith's spirit dwells within Cloud's body rather than in the Lifestream. He's saying that the dead become part of us and live on through us -- as both Aerith and Zack are shown to live on through Cloud during Advent Children Complete, where he interacts with their both consciousnesses. Zack called Cloud "the proof that I existed"/ "my living legacy" for a reason. Put more simply, what Nomura said was just a fancy way of saying that the dead are never truly gone. Now, on to the matter of Cloud supposedly going to see Aerith in the flowerfields during Advent Children's credits. It first bears pointing out that Cloud isn't the only one able to see and hear Aerith during the film. She seems to allow whoever she wishes to take notice of her. Kadaj speaks with her, sees her and raises his hand to grasp hers as he is dying. Meanwhile, Cloud, who is right next to him, seems unable to see or hear her at that time. Added to that, two children in the following scene from the church at the film's end appear to be talking with her -- the one on the right even raises his hand to wave bye to her as she gets up to leave: (.gif courtesy of Quexinos) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wave.gif Furthermore, both Marlene and Tifa sense Aerith's presence in the latter half of the film. Marlene does so as Cloud's battle with Sephiroth begins and Tifa after Cloud has vanquished Sephiroth once more. And we haven't even yet taken account of the fact that Aerith calls every phone in Edge to tell them to head to her old church, where Cloud is healed after his battle with Sephiroth. Don't forget these details, but -- for the sake of argument -- let's never mind them for the moment. Let's also never mind that Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII plainly shows that the footage from Advent Children's credits applies to Cloud out working, performing his delivery service rather than looking for Aerith. We'll even overlook that if Aerith's spirit actually dwelled within Cloud's body, he wouldn't need to go looking for her nor arrange a romantic rendezvous out in the middle of nowhere. Look instead at the fact that, to begin with, Cloud doesn't even stop his bike when the image of Aerith shows up during the credits of the original version of Advent Children. He simply rides on around the bend. Were she actually there, he apparently didn't see her, so it matters little. He certainly didn't hit the brakes. More to the point, the apparition that appears in the credits may not even actually be Aerith's spirit. Based on the official script of the film included with its Limited Edition North American release (a translation of the same script included in the Advent Pieces Limited set exclusive to Japan), the intention of the filmmakers seems to have been that she wasn't really there: ---- Vestiges of Aerith (nothing with any presence in reality) silently watch Cloud as he rides away. Aerith looks a little lonely, but then she smiles. Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ u2UzFx1.jpg ---- It may be pointed out, however, that there are other parts of the script that don't entirely coincide with what ended up on-screen in the finished film. Most notably, this description of events during Cloud's confrontation with Kadaj in Aerith's church differs from the events seen in the film: ---- As though it had a will of its own, the water reaches the walls and begins to climb. As the water reaches the rafters it comes pouring down like rain, soaking Cloud as well. Cloud's left arm glows with a pale light as the geostigma begins to heal. While Cloud watches this happen to his arm, Kadaj destroys the wall near the rafters and escapes. Cloud ignores this and gazes at Aerith's flower bed. He sees Aerith's figure through the misty spray. Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 1OcvDHj.jpg ---- Along similar lines, one might argue that Aerith doesn't appear particularly sad or lonely at any point during her brief appearance in the credits. Nonetheless, this passage from the official script remains the only direct statement we have concerning the nature of this image of Aerith and is one of the only two indications we have of the authorial intent regarding the appearance. The other indication, of course, being that Aerith appears nowhere in the credits of Advent Children Complete, the more current -- and, thus, canon -- version of the film. All footage of Cloud riding around the world remains, however. Only the appearance of Aerith was removed. Before moving on, the fact that Aerith's hair blows in the wind during the credits has also been brought up to argue that she was actually present. This would not be the last time that a similar scene would appear in a Final Fantasy game, however. At the end of Report 20, An End to Conflict, what amounts to the final chronological scene of Dissidia 012 -- taking place as it does after the game's primary ending -- Cosmos fondly reminiscences about her warrriors who defeated Chaos and saved the multiverse. As she does so, "vestiges" of them appear -- and though they are "nothing with any presence in reality," their hair and clothing seem to sway to a gentle wind (this is most noticeable with the Warrior of Light): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YrGiqMSt_g Finally, it bears pointing out that even the notion that Aerith could continue to have a relationship with Cloud in the living world runs counter to what Nomura and Kitase have -- in no less than three interviews -- explained they were trying to achieve with her death. The first of these is found on pp. 112-113 in the May 2003 issue of Edge magazine (issue #123): ---- Death of a friend Easily the most infamous and memorable character in FFVII was neither the main lead nor the central antagonist, although both Cloud and Sephiroth are premier examples of excellent design and characterisation, but rather a flower seller who appears for little more than a third of the game. Tetsuya Nomura, character designer, conceived both the characters of Sephiroth and Aerith. "The main issues of contention for fans worldwide are still Aerith's death and the ending sequence with Sephiroth. With the plot I wanted people to feel something intense, to understand something. Back at the time we were designing the game I was frustrated with the perennial dramatic cliche where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion in order to express that love. We found this was the case in both games and movies, both eastern and western. But I wanted to say something different, something realistic. I mean is it right to set such an example to people?" Kitase-san is adamant that cultural art puts too high a value on the dramatically meaningful death. "In the real world things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad attached to it. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling but a great emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood." Classic convention At the time of release the Internet was awash with rumours that it was possible to resurrect Aerith. Edge wonders if this was ever the developer's intention? "The world was expecting us to bring her back to life, as this is the classic convention. But we did not. We had decided this from the beginning. There was a lot of reaction from Japanese users. Some of them were very sad about it while others were angry. We even received a lengthy petition addressed to our scenario writer asking for Aerith's revival. But there are many meanings in Aerith's death and that could never happen." ---- Source photos: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 49cCcVF.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ pTrv7wz.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ bYdYjYE.jpg The second interview was on pg. 104 in the October 2005 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly (issue #196): ---- EGM: We heard that the death of Aerith and the creation of Tifa both originated in a phone call between you two.... Nomura: It's funny, some magazine ran that story, but only the beginning and ending of it. People think that I wanted to kill off Aerith and replace her with Tifa as the main character! [Laughs] The actual conversation between Mr. Kitase and myself was very, very long. Originally, there were only going to be three characters in the entire game: Cloud, Barrett, and Aerith. Can you imagine that? And we knew even in the early concept stage that one character would have to die. But we only had three to choose from. I mean, Cloud's the main character, so you can't really kill him. And Barrett...well, that's maybe too obvious. But we had to pick between Aerith and Barrett. We debated this for a long time, but in the end decided to sacrifice Aerith. EGM: Did you pick her to increase the drama? Nomura: In the previous FF games, it became almost a signature theme for one character to sacrifice him or herself, and often it was a similar character type from game to game, kind of a brave, last-man-standing, Barrett-type character. So everyone expected that. And I think that death should be something sudden and unexpected, and Aerith's death seemed more natural and realistic. Now, when I reflect on Final Fantasy VII, the fact that fans were so offended by her sudden death probably means that we were successful with her character. If fans had simply accepted her death, that would have meant she wasn't an effective character. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ A6TWJwm.jpg Finally, these sentiments are echoed once again by Kitase and Nomura in this interview on pp. 11-12 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (original and Revised Edition): (translation by hitoshura) ---- Feelings about Aerith, the tragic heroine ?You can't talk about FFVII's heroines without talking about the tragedy that befalls Aerith at the Forgotten City. That event was a very memorable scene not only for the FF series, but all RPGs. Kitase: In the past FFs as well, important characters died and went away. Like Galuf in FFV for example, they followed a pattern where the character would go down after giving it his all in a fight. In this case, often it went that the characters think something like, "They've tried so hard," and just accept the death and overcome it. When creating stories I think that is an option, but in FFVII we were thinking, could we take this a step further? Bring out a sense of loss somehow? What I didn't want to have was the kind of story development where even when a character dies there's no sense of loss; on the contrary it just raises motivation and pushes you forward. Nojima: Kitase's loss talk has been consistent since back then. Kitase: And with a lot of stories, before they die there's a lot of dramatic preparations, aren't there? Like a "pre-prepared excitement," or "using this as a step to fight evil further"; those are the kinds of developments I wanted to avoid. In reality, death comes without warning, and you're left feeling dazed at the gravity of the loss ... Rather than wanting to fight evil, you're just overcome by a great sense of loss, like you just want to give up everything. I was in charge of the direction of that scene and I tried to bring out that sort of sense of realism. Nomura: It's related to "life," one of the themes of FFVII, so it's not portrayed as a "death for excitement's sake," but expresses a realistic pain. Death comes suddenly, so I think the emotion there wasn't excitement or anything, but sadness. Nojima: Speaking from a scenario standpoint, FFVII is "a story of life cycling through the planet," so someone needed to be part of that cycle. In other words, although what happened to Aerith isn't really based on logic, as far as the story goes, maybe one of the team was destined to lose their life from the very start. But how that one became Aerith wasn't decided through a notice as is popularly mentioned. It was decided after everyone, including myself, racked our brains about what to do. ---- Source photos: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tragicheroine1_zps1d9f7824.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tragicheroine2_zpsbab54df1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tragicheroine3_zpsefb83973.jpg Japanese text: ---- 悲劇のヒロイン エアリスをめぐる思い ――『FFVII』のヒロインの話をするうえで避けて通れないのが、忘らるる都で エアリスを襲う悲劇です。あのイベントは、『FF』シリーズにかぎらず、すべて のRPGの なかでも極めて印象に残る展開でした。 北瀬　過去の『FF』でも、重要なキャラクターが死んだりなくなったりすることは ありましたよね。たとえば、『FFV』のガラフのように、戦いで全力を出し切って 倒れると いったパターンがそれです。そういう場合、「これだけだんばったんだ から」みたいに、キャラクターが死ぬのを素直に受け入れて、そこを乗り 越えていくような流れになってい ることが多かった。物語の作りかたとしては、 それはそれでアリだとは思うんですけど、『FFVII』ではもう一歩踏みこんだ 表覡として、なんとかして喪失感を 出せないか、 ということを考えていたん です。ひとりのキャラクターが死にながらも、喪失感も何もなく、むしろ モチベーションが上がった状態でつぎへ進むような展開はやりたくなかった。 野島　北瀬さんの喪失感の話は、当時から一貫してましたね。 北瀬　しかも、多くの乍品では、死ぬ前からいろいろと演出的な準備が されていくじゃないですか。"用意された感動"というか、「これをステップにして、 さらに 悪と戦うんだ 」みたいな流れになるのは避けたかったんです。 実際には、人の死って予告なしに訪れて、失ったものの大きさに 放心状態となってしまう……悪と戦うどころではな くて、すべて を投げ 出したくなるような、大きな喪失感に襲われるだろう、と。あのイベントの 演出は僕が担当しましたが、そういう現実的な感覚が出せるように気を つけていま したね。 野村　『FFVII』のテームのひとつである「命」と関わりのあることなので、 "感動のための死"という描きかたではなく、リアルな痛みとして 表現されている んです。人の 死は突然訪れるもので、そこにある感情は 感動とかではなくて悲しみだ、と思いますし。 野島　シナリオの側面から言えば、『FFVII』は「星をめぐる命の話」です から、誰かが"めぐる側"になる必要はあった。つまり、エアリスの身に 起こったこ とは理不尽で すけど、スートリー上、仲間の誰かが命を 落とすのは最初から運命づけられていたのかもしれません。ただし、その "誰か"がエアリスになったのは、ちまたで言われている通逹みたいな形で 決まったわけではないです。僕も含めて、「どうしよう、どうしよう」 とみんなで悩んだうえでの決定でした。 ---- Though, yes, it has been demonstrated within the cosmology of FFVII that the dead are capable of persisting in the world of the living on the rare occasion, Aerith has not demonstrated to desire to do so. The two major occasions in which she interacted with the living world after her demise (Meteor's descent and Sephiroth's advent) were both times in which she was addressing a crisis caused by Sephiroth -- himself essentially a phantom who was defying the natural order of things and endangering the planet's very life. If one were to count Maiden Who Travels the Planet as canon, then Aerith herself there acknowledges that she is no longer part of the world above: (pg. 577 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- And she watched as the shadowy figures looked at her from the hazy world on the other side (the world of living things was already another world to her). ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo577_zpsaf3a40ae.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo577-2_zps4f616afe.jpg Japanese text: ---- そして、その向こうに霞む他界から（生けるものの世界は彼女にとってすでに 他界なのだ）自分を見っめる人影を。 ---- (pg. 578 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- The people she had been close to, such as her adoptive mother, Elmyra, and the comrades she had journeyed with to save the planet; as well as the people she knew only a little, and those she may have met in the future, but would now never see ― the truth was that she could no longer associate with "living people." ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ withtheliving1_zps64352df4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ withtheliving2_zpsefd19934.jpg Japanese text: ---- 星を救うために一緒に旅をした仲間からたちや、彼女の面倒を15年も 見てくれた育ての母エルミナをはじめとする近しい人たち、そしてわずか でも関わりを持った人々に、未来に出会うことがあったのかも知れない、 今はまだ見知れぬ人々――もう彼らと゛生きた人間゛として触れ合えない のは事実だからだ。 ---- At any rate, Advent Children ends with Aerith and Zack departing from the company of the living, Cloud included. This is shown to us in powerful symbolic imagery as the two walk away into a white void, and it has been outright stated in an official source that they were headed for the Lifestream. Cloud, for his part, is Zack's "living legacy," but Zack himself is gone. Zack lives on through his friend, but his spirit does not physically reside within Cloud's body. Likewise, Aerith can be said to live on in Cloud, certainly, but in the same way she lives on through all of her friends -- and all humanity, for that matter. As her profile on pg. 50 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 52 of the Revised Edition) says: (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- For Cloud, and the world once again faced with danger, she reaches out and offers her aid. In that sense she is like a mother watching over the entire planet, and it gives the feeling that she lives in every part of the world. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ motherearth.jpg Japanese text: ---- そんなクラウドやふたたび危機におちったこの星のために、救いの手を差し 出す。その様子は星全体を見守る母のようでもあり、彼女という存在が 星の端々に息づいていることを感じさせる。 ---- == -Claim: It goes without saying that Aerith is important to Cloud. The instruction manuals for the English releases to Dirge of Cerberus describe her as "a girl with the blood of the Ancients running through her veins, who Cloud would never forget." Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ docmanual2.jpg However, the original Japanese text for the game's manual said something quite a bit more notable than that: ---- Aerith Gainsborough: A girl with the blood of the Ancients flowing through her veins, who is engraved in Cloud's heart for the rest of his life. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ docmanual3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ docmanual4.jpg Japanese text: ---- ［エアリス・ゲインズブール］彼の心に生涯刻まれることとなる古代種の血を引く少女。 ---- To be in someone's heart, particularly for the rest of their life, implies great romantic love. In fact, this tells us right here that Aerith has a grander claim to Cloud's affections than Tifa. The closest Tifa has to a statement like this is a comment that Cloud's promise to her was "etched in his memory," as seen in his profile on pg. 40 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 42 of the Revised Edition): (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- A Promise to Tifa, Etched in his Memory When Cloud left the village, dreaming of being a SOLDIER, he swore to Tifa that he would come running to her rescue if she was in trouble. While it was Tifa who strongarmed him into making the promise, it seems that the idea that he must keep this vow was forever in Cloud's mind. In BC, he is obsessive about protecting people, and if he runs out of strength part way through, he will mention the "promise." [screenshot caption] If he runs out of strength part way through the story, he will say regretfully that he "couldn't come through on my promise to her." ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ thepromise.jpg Japanese text: ---- 胸にきざまれたティファとの約束 クラウドはソルジャーを目指して村を出るさい、ティファに「ピンチのときは助けに 駆けつける」と晢っている。もはティファのほうから強引に取りつけさせた約束だが、 クラウドの頭には「この晢いを果たさなくては」という思いがずっとあったらしい。 『BC』では人を守ることにこだわり途中で力尽きた場合は"約束"のことを 口にするのだ。 [screenshot caption] 物語の途中で力尽きると、「アイツとの約束を果たせなかった」と悔しそうに言い残す。 ---- Not only is something engraved deeper than something simply etched, but Aerith herself is what is engraved in Cloud’s heart, while the promise to Tifa is only said to be in Cloud’s memory. Response: To begin with, the verb used for “etched”/”engraved” was the same in both quotes ? “kizamu” (刻む/きざむ), conjugated as "kizamareru" (刻まれる/きざまれる) in the quote about Aerith and as “kizamareta” (刻まれた/きざまれた) in the quote about the promise with Tifa. They both describe the same kind of action. Secondly, there is no appreciable difference in the places where the two engravings are said to have occurred. Aerith said to be engraved in his heart/mind ("kokoro"; 心) and the promise with Tifa engraved in his chest/heart ("mune"; 胸). The only distinction worth noting is that the word for "heart" used in the line about Aerith ("kokoro") is regarded as the seat of emotions, while the word used in the line about the promise to Tifa ("mune") refers to where the kokoro resides. In other words, both lines describe the same thing, and if the line about Aerith is inherently romantic, then so is the one about Cloud's promise to Tifa. Which brings us to the third point needing to be made here: What these lines are saying is that Cloud will never forget Aerith or the promise he made to Tifa. That is what is meant in Japanese when someone says that something is engraved/etched in the heart/mind/chest -- it's a Japanese idiom for something that one will never forget. The official English translation is correct. == -Claim: In Case of Tifa, Cloud refers to Aerith's church as "my place" when recounting to Tifa how Denzel came to him. This translation -- as seen in LH Yeung's fan translation -- can be found here: http://ffviinovels.lhyeung.net/caseoftifa/page10.php This shows that Cloud didn't consider Seventh Heaven, where Tifa lived, to be his home. Rather, he considered his home to be the church where his lost love, Aerith, had spent so much of her time. Response: This is another case where the official translation has it right ("This kid came to me"), as seen here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cot6a_zpsa5ad36b1.jpg What Cloud said in Japanese is "ore no tokoro"/"my spot" (俺のところ) -- the word "tokoro" being one you may remember from earlier in this article, as it refers to where someone is at a given moment in time, not the place they call home. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ orenotokoro_zpsfe379fe3.jpg == -Claim: During Cloud and Sephiroth's final battle with one another in Advent Children/Advent Children Complete, Aerith appears in Cloud's mind first when Sephiroth says "Tell me what you cherish most" and prepares to execute him. This is a blatant portrayal that Cloud loves Aerith most of all. Response: The problem I have with this interpretation -- that the order of appearance for these images means Aerith is more important to Cloud than anyone else -- is that it requires we assume that each successive image means a little less to him. That becomes especially problematic since the last image (Zack) lingers the longest. One could also argue that, because this is a film, the images are building to a climax rather than starting with it. Of course, that argument has its problems too: the opposite situation as the other suggestion. It requires we assume each successive image means a little more to Cloud. The biggest issue I have with either argument is that both assume one of the kids means less to Cloud than the other. If you start with Aerith as most important, then Marlene means more to him than Denzel. If you start with Aerith as least important, then Denzel means more to him than Marlene. I simply cannot see Cloud as a douche who would love one of his children more than the other, and I will not entertain any notion that he is. As distasteful as that on its own would be, the idea of him caring more for a dead person, whether it be Aerith or Zack, than the family he's lived with for two years, who Cloud himself says has always been there for him -- that would simply ruin him as a character. That being said, I can reason some significance to the order of the images that doesn't make Cloud an asshole. This, by the way, is going with the order used in Advent Children Complete rather than the original cut of the movie. We first have two flashes of Aerith; one of her while alive, then another from when she came to help him after she died. Next is Tifa, then Marlene, then Denzel. Finally, we have two flashes of Zack -- one from when he was alive, and then a flash into white space where he encourages Cloud even after death. The only significance to all this that fits the character is a) he's thinking of the five people who mean the most to him, and b) the ones still alive are bookended with thoughts of the two he felt he had let down. If I were to go a step further than that, I'd say the major significance of Aerith being first comes from her being the symbol of his guilt, which he is now breaking free of. At the other end is Zack, with whom he reaffirms that he will live on before asserting once and for all that he isn't a prisoner to his memories by sending Sephiroth "back where you belong. My memories." TheLifestream.net forum member TotoroTori has offered this alternate, but not necessarily mutually exclusive interpretation: ---- I would usually be, "Yeah, last person seen is the most important" (Clack is totally canon, y'all!). But thanks to ACC, this is how I see it: The moment when Sephiroth says, "Give me the pleasure of taking it away," first you see Aerith, someone that Sephiroth already took. Someone that was precious to Cloud (and to the rest of the team), with her last smile before Sephiroth killed her. And then you see Tifa, Marlene and Denzel, as well as the photograph focusing on those three. Cloud's cherished family. That is what he cherished, and I think he panicked in fear that he could fail and they would be taken away from him like Aerith was by Sephiroth. And then you see Zack (who wasn't killed by Sephiroth, per say), who gives him the encouragement to push on. ---- == -Claim: On pg. 87 of the Reunion Files, Tetsuya Nomura says that he wanted to film the live-action shots from Advent Children's credits in Hawaii because there were fields of flowers there that matched the colors of the flowers in Aerith's church. Cloud is, of course, seen riding past these flowers in the ending credits, showing us that he continues to be surrounded by Aerith. Response: The filming took place in Hawaii because Nomura wanted the ocean to lay beyond the horizon. The flowers being there as well was just happenstance. This is what he actually says on pg. 87 of the Reunion Files: ---- There are fields of flowers on both sides of the road, and the colors - yellow and white - are the same as the flowers in Aerith's church. I wanted to have the sea lying beyond the horizon, and this was the best place. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ thehorizon_zps51eced11.jpg Japanese text: ---- 道路の両側に花畑があって、その花の色はエアリスの教会に咲いている 花と同じで白か黄色。地平線の向こうに海がある--とリクエストしたら、この 場所が出てきたんです。 ---- As additional explanation, hitoshura has offered the following: ---- I think the key part is this one: ―とリクエストする The request he made was the stuff before that; "there's the sea beyond the horizon," which is signaled with the “――と.” That's what he asked for, rather than flowers. The first line about flowers ends with a full stop, and the way the sentence goes, I don't think it flows on to the second to read as part of the request. Just that he's describing the location. If it had been like 「道路の 両側に花畑があって、その花の色はエアリスの教会に咲いていると同じく 白か黄色で（・と同じで）、地平線の向こうに…」I think it would sound more like that was part of his request. Having the flowers seems more like a happy coincidence than the intention. He was looking for somewhere with the sea visible on the horizon, and, as luck would have it, there were yellow/white flowers like the ones in the church there as well. This is ... what the English line is saying, really. "I wanted to have the sea lying beyond the horizon" and not "I wanted the same colour flowers as in Aerith's church; oh, and the sea is in the background too!" Trying to make it look like the flowers were the main reason for picking that location ... just looks like another in a long line of trying to make the ending credits into some massive C/A message. ---- == -Claim: In Tifa's profile on pg. 45 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 47 of the Revised Edition), it's said that Aerith was Tifa's "love rival" for Cloud's affections, that Tifa has "complicated feelings" for Aerith, and that these feelings continue to the time of Advent Children: (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- A close friend as well as rival? The complicated emotions she feels towards Aerith "Both of them share feelings for Cloud" -- Tifa was close to Aerith, who can also be called a love rival. With that point in mind, they were also good friends. Nevertheless, it is not hard to imagine that she carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith, who had built up a special bond with Cloud that was different from Tifa's. Tifa's complicated feelings continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world. This was due to the fact that Cloud, succumbing to the notion that Aerith's death was his fault and condemning himself, construed that Denzel was "the child which Aerith brought here" and took care of him. In addition, Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he isn't merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith. [Caption beside a screenshot of Tifa saying "EXCUSE me" in the Shin-Ra building's holding cells during the original game] Seeing Cloud and Aerith developing their world together before her eyes, she inadvertently lets slip her peevish feelings. [Caption beside a screenshot of Tifa in Advent Children after she learns that Cloud has been staying in Aerith's church] Upon knowing that Cloud had been residing in Aerith's church after leaving the place they had been living in together, her expression becomes complex. [Caption beside a screenshot of Tifa smiling towards Aerith's presence near the end of Advent Children] Tifa, smiling towards Aerith's presence. Cherishing Aerith is Tifa's honest feeling. ---- Source photos: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ loverivals_zpsfdf4d1f8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ loverivals2_zpsd4d3bbfe.jpg Japanese text: ---- 親友兼ライバル？ エアリスに対する複雑な感情 「ともにクラウドに想いを寄せている」という点で恋のライバルとも言える エアリスに、ティファは親友として接していた。とはいえ、自分とはちがう 特別な絆をクラウドと築いたエアリスに対して、ティファが女として複雑な 想いを抱いていたことは想像にかたくない。ティファの複雑な感情は、 エアリスが世を去って2年後の『AC』でもつづく。というのも、エアリスの 死を自分の罪と考え自責の念にかられたクラウドが、デンゼルを 「エアリスが連れてきた子」」と解釈して保護したうえ、クラウド自身は エアリスのいた教会に去ってしまうからだ。ティファがクラウドにいら立ちを 穩せないのは、彼が単に過去を引きずっているためだけでなく、その 理由がエアリスがらみだというのもあるだろう。 [Caption beside a screenshot of Tifa saying “EXCUSE me” in the Shin-Ra building’s holding cells] 目の前でふたりの世界を展開するクラウドとエアリスを見て、スネた 気持ちがつい口をつく。 [Caption beside a screenshot of Tifa in Advent Children after she learns that Cloud has been staying in Aerith’s church] 自分たちのもとを離れたクラウドがエアリスの教会にいたと知り、 複雑な表情になる。 [Caption beside a screenshot of Tifa smiling towards Aerith’s presence near the end of Advent Children] エアリスの気配にほほえむティファ。エアリスを大切に思うのも、ティファの 素直な表情だ。 ---- These "complicated feelings" continuing post-FFVII, even after Cloud and Tifa have supposedly spent two years living together as a couple, indicates that Cloud was in love with Aerith instead. Why should Tifa be jealous otherwise? And how could Aerith be a love rival if Cloud didn't have feelings for her? Response: Tifa is a naturally insecure person. This is evident throughout the original game in her hesitation to tell Cloud of her feelings for him, as well as her doubt of herself in telling him that his memories were in error. This lack of self-confident behavior remains in play in Case of Tifa, even after she and Cloud have made their feelings for one another known -- because that's how she is. Though Cloud's periods of self-destructive seclusion certainly didn't help alleviate Tifa's insecurities, the fact of her having them should not be taken as an indication of his feelings any more than Cloud's belief when he was a child that Tifa hated him should be taken as an accurate indication of how she felt about him at the time. People have feelings and perceptions of others' feelings independently of what those others may intend. Tifa did not hate Cloud when they were children, and he did not lack romantic feelings for her when they were adults. One must concede, however, that it certainly stands to reason that the feelings of uncertainty or jealousy that Tifa is feeling during Case of Tifa and Advent Children originate from some legitimate basis -- though a lot of the "complicated feelings" she feels during that time probably also stem from Cloud being so depressed. I'm not disagreeing that Tifa felt jealousy where Aerith was concerned, at least in the original game, if not to some degree in the time thereafter. That being said, I think there was more to it than that, and also that the reasons for her "complicated feelings" being stirred up are as important as their presence alone. On a day-to-day basis prior to Cloud's depression, one doesn't get the impression that she had any bouts with these complicated feelings for Aerith. It seems she was content for a while that they were a normal family (which, again, implies a lot on its own), but after Cloud began to grow distant, I don't doubt that she experienced everything from A) a touch of resentment toward her over his guilt to Z) worry that "Maybe he thinks he would have been happier with her." Again, I think these feelings most certainly were there, but I believe they were prompted by Cloud's behavior once he fell into the grip of guilt. If Cloud was happy with his life at Seventh Heaven -- as Nomura and Cloud's 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile tell us -- then I can't take Tifa's insecurities, prone as she is to over analyzing things, as a reflection of Cloud's feelings any more than his belief that she hated him when they were younger as a genuine reflection of her feelings. As for Aerith being Tifa's romantic rival for Cloud's love automatically indicating that he's in love with either one of them: It's simply silly to think that the two being love rivals or either of them becoming jealous has to mean something about Cloud's feelings. While it isn't the case here, two or more people can easily compete for another's affection without the trophy wanting to be with any of them. For that matter, in the passage quoted earlier from The Kids Are Alright, does Kyrie exhibiting jealousy over Evan getting nervous around Tifa indicate that they aren't in an established relationship or that Kyrie has need to worry Evan doesn't love her? And what of this passage from Maiden Who Travels the Planet, for those who count it among canon?: (pg. 588 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- Both were enveloped in mako as they sank into the planet. Cloud's second time; Tifa's first experience. Aerith bet everything on this one chance. She eagerly turned her attention to Tifa, whose mind was being overwhelmed in the highly concentrated mako. Aerith guided her consciousness into Cloud's closed mind. In truth, she wanted to do it herself. However, Aerith could not play this role. Therefore, she entrusted it to Tifa. She entrusted Tifa with all the feelings she had for Cloud in her own heart. To the person who would "live" together with Cloud ... And Tifa succeeded. Comparing her memories with Cloud's memories, she looked for those things only the real Cloud could know. This serving as proof, the closed door was opened. She released the memories that were firmly locked up in the bottom of his heart; he didn't get to be a SOLDIER, but due to an ability from Jenova he had been imbued with, Cloud, an ordinary soldier, copied the traits of his best friend, Zack. She restored him to his natural personality rather than the fake one he had created to maintain his sense of self. "You did it, Tifa. Thank you ... I'm a bit jealous of you, but look after Cloud ?-- and the upper world too, please." Aerith watched as they returned to the surface with Tifa pulled up against Cloud, who was back to his senses. She smiled like an affectionate mother, though. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithblessing_zps084fc133.jpg Japanese text: ---- ふたりは魔晄に包まれ、星の内部へと落ちてくる。クラウドは再び、ティファは初めて の体験として。 この千載一遇のチャンスに、エアリスはすべてを賭けた。 高濃度の魔晄に浸かって混乱するティファに、エアリスは懸命に語りかける。その 意識を、クラウドの閉ざされた心の中へと誘導してやる。 本当なら、自分自身がやりたかったこと。けれどその役割はエアリスには 果たせない。だから彼女はティファに託す。ティファの中にある、クラウドを想心に すべてを委ねる。彼とともに、゛生きて゛いく者に--。そして、ティファにやり遂げる。 クラウドの記憶と自分の思い出を照合し、本当のクラウドにしか知り得ないはずの ことを探り当てる。 それが証明となって、閉じた扉は開かれた。ソルジャーにはなれず、植えつけられた ジェノバの能力で親友ザックスのくせを複製した一兵士クラウドを、強固な殼に 守られた記憶の奥底から引き揚げる。自我を保つために彼自身が創り上げた フェイクではない、本来あるべき人格へと再生させる。 「やったね、ティファ。ありがとう……ちょっとだけ妬けちゃうけど、クラウドのこと-- それから上の世界のこと、頼むね」 正気を取り戻したクラウドに、ティファが寄り添って地上に戻っていくのをエアリスは 見届ける。慈母のように、微笑みながら。 ---- Though I don't disagree that Cloud had romantic feelings for Aerith (see the section below, entitled "Understanding Clerith," for more about my thoughts on this), I disagree that this passage about the women being rivals is referring to that. A love rival is one who competes for someone's affection. Like any kind of rival, one can compete while having no chance of victory -- though Aerith probably had a reasonable chance before death came between them and Cloud recovered his true memories. == -Claim: Reminiscence of FFVII has very little in the way of CloudxTifa scenes. Why isn't the High Affection Highwind scene here if it is the linchpin of their budding romance in the original game, so viewers being introduced to FFVII via Advent Children and Reminiscence of FFVII would know they are a couple? Response: Not an unfair question. By the same token, though, one might ask -- if the viewer unfamiliar with FFVII is supposed to think that Aerith is Cloud's lost love -- why they didn't include more interaction between them in Reminiscence. Especially the more memorable moments, such as buying the flower, the promise of one date, or Cloud's "But I ... we're here for you, right?" moment around the Cosmo Candle. Maybe even the date itself and Aerith asking Cait Sith how compatible they are in the Temple of the Ancients. As published, Reminiscence only featured one real conversation between Cloud and Aerith, and this was about him being in SOLDIER and her first love (Zack) being in SOLDIER, which immediately segues into the scene in Gongaga where Tifa says she doesn't know who Zack is. All in all, Reminiscence's treatment of Cloud's relationships with both women is rather bare in what it highlights. It does take the time to show the flashback of Cloud's promise to Tifa, though, as well as its resolution from the Lifestream sequence, where it's revealed that "You came. You kept your promise." Whether one finds that particularly romantic depends on the viewer, I guess. Nonetheless, it is an essential part of who Cloud is, and they made sure to include it for those unfamiliar with the original tale, even while letting stuff like Cid, Cait Sith and Yuffie joining the party fall by the wayside (they are still present in several scenes, though). Could Reminiscence have been more blatant in its distribution of Cloud's affection? Sure. Why wasn't it? I can't say for sure. My guess is Nomura was pretty uninterested in that topic in the first place, and counted on people to draw conclusions from elsewhere. He's obnoxious like that. == -Claim: In one of Square Enix's official relationship charts for Advent Children, the line running between Cloud and Tifa ponders "More than friends, less than lovers?"/友人以恋人末?？ This proves that Cloud and Tifa are not lovers as of the time of Advent Children. Response: Once a very common claim, it has blessedly occurred with less frequency in recent years. The chart isn't from Square Enix or official. In the August 2004 issue of the Japanese magazine The PlayStation, the magazine speculated on the relationships between the members of AVALANCHE prior to the release of Advent Children, and presented this information as a relationship chart of sorts: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ mtfltl.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ morethanfriends_zps75ce5d79.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ps806_cover_zpsc780826c.jpg The link from Cloud to Tifa ponders if they are "More than friends, less than lovers?"/友人以恋人末?？ (the question mark being part of the magazine's line). Despite the line simply being a magazine's speculation prior to the release of the movie -- as well other Compilation of FFVII titles and any FFVII Ultimanias -- there have been occasions where individuals unfavorable to the reality of Cloti as canon have claimed it was a statement from an official source. That clearly isn't the case, especially given that the image for the character on the page who is obviously Aerith has a caption that says "Aerith?" -- as though there may be some doubt. Were the page official, it also certainly wouldn't be endorsing Clerith given that the link running from Cloud to Aerith ponders "Unable to forget (sense of guilt)?"/ ?Y?e?c?e?E?¢?i?s?I?O?￣?j? -- but you've already witnessed that topic be discussed at length. == -Claim: The materia Cloud receives as his crystal in Dissidia is a representation of Aerith's White Materia. This signifies their love for one another. While the White Materia was much smaller in FFVII than this baseball-sized crystal Cloud receives here, Dissidia's representation of the Black Materia has increased its size from its depiction in the original game as well: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ BlackMateria.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ DissidiaBlackMateria.png In addition, the crystal Zidane receives is much smaller than both the crystal of creation seen in FFIX's Crystal World, as well as the crystals residing at the center of planets with soul cycles. That being the case, there is a precedent that would allow Cloud's crystal to be a different size than the White Materia while still representing it. Furthermore, though the White Materia glowed in a different fashion in the original game when Holy had been cast -- a white spiral emanating from its center as opposed to a solid white glow -- it's plausible that a new rendering of the materia made so many years later might portray this differently: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ whitemateria.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudscrystal2.jpg Response: While the argument related to the size of the White Materia and even its glow are solid, the Dissidia Final Fantasy Ultimania does not identify this crystal as a reference to Aerith or to the White Materia in Final Fantasy VII's "Link to the Original" section of the guide (pg. 530), even while it identifies the feather Squall catches in the ending as a reference to Rinoa (pg. 580): (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- The white feather that twirls its way down to Squall In the ending of Dissidia FF, Squall leaves when a white feather falls from the sky. This feather symbolizes the heroine of FFVIII, Rinoa. In the ending of FFVIII, a white feather also fell to Squall when he was in the time warp. ---- Translation sources: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/1612/link-to-the-original- final-fantasy-vii-p-530-of-the-dissidia-ultimania/ http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-dissidia/dissidia-final-fantasy- ultimania-translations/1629/link-to-the-original-final-fantasy-viii-p- 580-of-the-dissidia-ultimania/ Source scans (courtesy of espritduo): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ linktooriginalffviii_zpsec7abe30.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ linktooriginalffviii2_zps9f55b34a.jpg Japanese text: ---- スコールのもとに舞い降りる白い羽根 『ディシディアFF』のエンディングでスコールが去っていくとき、上空から 白い羽根が降ってくる。この羽根は『FFVIII』のヒロイン、リノアを 象徴したもの。『FFVIII』のエンディングでも、時間の狭間 でさまようスコールのもとに白い羽根が降ってきた。 ---- The Ultimania also goes so far as to point out many references that would be significantly less relevant than would be one to Aerith or the White Materia. For example, the guide draws attention to a reference for Final Fantasy II in which the Shiva AUTO summon uses lines similar to that game's Lamia Queen boss, making Firion -- who is shy and inexperienced with women -- feel nervous (pg. 196): (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- A young man who is inexperienced with women When acquiring the summon stone for Shiva AUTO in Destiny Odyssey II-3, the conversation is a parody of the scene in FFII with the Lamia Queen. The creature had taken on the form of Hilda, princess of the Kingdom of Fynn, and beguiled Firion. [Screenshot caption] Shiva's lines are based on the lines of the fake princess in FFII. ---- Translation source: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-dissidia/dissidia-final-fantasy- ultimania-translations/1746/link-to-the-original-final-fantasy-ii-p- 488-of-the-dissidia-ultimania/ Source scans (courtesy of espritduo): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ linktooriginalffii_zps366b9d8f.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ linktooriginalffii2_zps1bcbdd83.jpg Japanese text: ---- 女性慣れしていないウブな青年 Destiny Odysseyの II-3で召喚石シヴァAUTOを入手するときの会話は、 『FFII』でラミアクィーンにだまされるシーンのパロディ。ファン王国のヒルダ 王女に化けた魔物に、フリオニールは魅了されていた。 [Screenshot caption] シヴァのセリフは『FFII』のニセ王女のセリフにもとづいている。 ---- That's not nearly as relevant to Dissidia's story as Cloud's crystal, nor is it as relevant to FFII as Aerith and the White Materia are to FFVII. While on that topic, the Buster Sword -- of comparable significance to the White Materia, and a memento of Zack -- is identified in the Ultimania, as is its relation to Zack. The game itself even names the Black Materia as such, as the attack in which Sephiroth uses it to cast Meteor bears the materia's name. Given the Ultimania references and the unquestioned identification of the Black Materia by the game itself, why would Aerith's memento receive no mention at all if it, indeed, were present? What Cloud receives in Dissidia is most easily concluded to be a representation of an ordinary green materia, a generic crystal from and representative of his world. All his companions in Dissidia likewise receive a crystal that does more to represent the game world they're from than to represent the characters themselves or a connection they may have to another character from their game. There's a sphere for Tidus that looks like many spheres seen in his game, including Jyscal Guado's sphere, Yuna's sphere, the Jecht Spheres and any of the spheres laying on the floor of Rin's travel agencies. However, it is never implied to be a representation of any one of these specifically. For Terra, there's a magicite whose identity is never suggested. Though it could be a representation of the magicite of her father, Maduin, this is not implied by the game. The rest of the characters in Dissidia receive equally generic crystals (along with whatever the heck that thing is Squall receives), each even more unlikely than these to be associated with a specific character from their original game. Of course, even if Cloud's crystal *is* intended to represent the White Materia specifically, given its significance to the whole world Cloud hails from, this would hardly be romantic by default. == -Claim: Just as the feather Squall catches in Dissidia's ending represents him returning to his romantic partner, Rinoa, the flower field Cloud steps into represents him returning to Aerith. If homage was paid to another canon couple immediately before we see Cloud in the flower field, it stands to reason that the ending was showing a romantic connection between Cloud and Aerith as well. Response: The ending of Dissidia doesn't show a romantic connection between Squall and Rinoa. It shows a connection, yes, but nothing about its presentation is actually romantic. It can only be colored as such based on what we know of them from FFVIII. It isn't presenting us with any new information about them or presenting their past interaction in a different light than before. While a connection between Cloud and Aerith is certainly implied by the visuals here, it would not be unreasonable to surmise -- given the connection between Aerith and FFVII's world -- that a symbol in nature known for representing her likewise represents the world of FFVII, to which Cloud returned. Let us also not forget that there are a number of official couples not referenced in Dissidia's ending, despite several of those other men having romantic partners back on their homeworlds (Cecil, Tidus and Zidane). Having such a direct reference to Rinoa is more an exception than a standard, and FFVIII is the only game one would really expect to see receive that treatment, being that one of its primary themes is romantic love. The flower field is undoubtedly a reference to Aerith. But it is not undoubtedly a reference to an ongoing romance between Cloud and Aerith. == -Claim: In Dissidia 012, as he lay dying after confronting Chaos, Cloud asks that Cosmos protect Tifa. However, he only calls her his friend (official English translation) or "nakama" in Japanese (meaning "comrade" or "companion"; 仲間): (official English translation) ---- [Dark smoke begins to sprial off of Cloud] Cloud: "(Is this it? Is this the end?) (Cosmos, goddess of harmony.) (If you can hear me, listen to my plea.) (I beg you. Save her. Save my friend.)" [The screen fades to black] Cloud: "(Tifa...)" ---- (Japanese text) ---- [Dark smoke begins to spiral off of Cloud] ?゛俺は　消えるのか゛ ゛調和の神コスモス゛ ゛この声が聞こえたら　どうか゛ ゛頼む 俺の大事な仲間を゛ [The screen fades to black] ゛ティファ゛ ---- If he's describing her only as his friend or nakama, then she clearly isn't also his koibito. Response: One can easily be both nakama and koibito to the same person. In fact, one who believes that Aerith is Cloud's koibito would have to believe that, seeing as she has been described as his nakama on multiple occasions. For example, in her profile from pg. 58 of the Reunion Files, we find the following: (official English translation) ---- In a shocking incident two years ago, Cloud and the others lost Aerith, a valued friend and companion. Before she died, she managed to cast Holy, a force powerful enough to counter Meteor and ultimately save the planet from utter destruction. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithnakama_zpsd731c06b.jpg Japanese text: ---- 2年前の事件によりクラウドたちはエアリスという大事な仲間と引き替えに、 彼女の祈りによってホーリーがマテリアに届き、結果、星は救われること になる。 ---- In fact, you may notice in comparing the Japanese text between this passage and Cloud’s dying wish from Dissidia 012 that Aerith is described in the Reunion Files profile using precisely the same terms Cloud used when referring to Tifa: “daiji na nakama” (大事な仲間); “precious comrade.” Aerith is again described as Cloud’s comrade on pg. 530 of the Dissidia Final Fantasy Ultimania: (translation by hitoshura) ---- “If I win, are my sins forgiven?” ? Cloud: Battling against Cloud. Cloud continued to regret the deaths of his best friend and comrade, who were dear to him, in FFVII. In AC, he says “I want to be forgiven." ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ forgiven.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「勝てば、俺は許されるのか？」 ―クラウド：クラウドとの対戦時 『FFVII』で大切な親友や仲間を死なせてしまったことを、ずっと悔いていた クラウド。彼は『FFVIIAC』で「俺は許されたい」と言う。 ---- Added to all this, anyone familiar with the anime/manga series "One Piece" would be well aware that it is hardly out of the ordinary for someone to consider someone both their nakama and their koibito. == -Claim: The word "idaiteita" ("to hold"; 抱いていた) used in several Ultimania quotes referring to the feelings Cloud and Tifa had for each other is in the past tense, not past progressive. It's just saying that they had feelings for each other in the past, but no longer do. Response: The word is rendered in the past progressive tense. Period. To claim otherwise is not only grammatically inaccurate, but would assume then that this passage from Maiden Who Travels the Planet is saying that Aerith had feelings for Cloud in the past, but no longer does: (pg. 578 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- When her thoughts turned to Cloud, Aerith hurt deeply. She had been carrying love for him. Initially, she thought he had similarities to her first love. Although they didn't share faces, voices or disposition, his behavior and mannerisms made her wonder about this mysterious person -- but that was alright in an instant anyway. Because she had come to love him more than her first love. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 578-1_zps53119c88.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 578-2_zps9c22ee79.jpg Japanese text: ---- よりわけクラウドに思いを巡らすと、エアリスはとてもつらくなった。 彼女が好意を抱いていたということもある。最初は、初めて好きになった人に 何となく似ていると思っていた。顔も声音も性格も何ひとつ似てはいないのに、 不思議とその人を思 い起こさせる仕草やクセ――でも、それはすぐにどうでも 良くなった。なぜなら、初恋の人よりもずっと好きになっていたから。 ---- The same word was also used in Tifa’s profile on pg. 45 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 47 of the Revised Edition) when referring to the “complex feelings” Tifa has for Aerith: ---- Nevertheless, it is not hard to imagine that she carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith, who had built up a special bond with Cloud that was different from Tifa’s. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ complexfeelings_zps8907495b.jpg Japanese text: ---- とはいえ、自分とはちがう特別な絆をクラウドと築いたエアリスに対して、 ティファが女として複雑な想いを抱いていたことは想像にかたくない。 ---- == -Claim: The Final Fantasy series has followed a pattern in which the canon female love interest of the primary male hero is someone he swears to protect. She is also typically a healer or White Mage-type character. For example, in the Nintendo DS version of Final Fantasy III, Ingus is a knight of the kingdom of Sasune, sworn to protect Princess Sara. She is a White Mage, and the two are in love. Along similar lines, in Final Fantasy IV, the Paladin Cecil marries Rosa, a White Mage, for whom he at one point goes on a quest to cure from a lethal condition afflicting her. In Final Fantasy VI, Celes and Locke fall in love; he vows to protect her. In Final Fantasy VIII, Squall is Rinoa's knight. In Final Fantasy IX, Zidane protects Dagger, who -- despite being a Summoner -- also has White Mage abilities and even wears a White Mage robe during their first meeting. In Final Fantasy X, Tidus is one of Yuna's Guardians, she being another Summoner with White Mage abilities. In Final Fantasy VII, Cloud is Aerith's bodyguard. Not only are her weapons staves, as is typical of White Mages (see also Dagger and Yuna), but most of her Limit Breaks involve healing or protecting the party. Tifa, on the other hand, is a character whose Limit Breaks focus on physically attacking the enemy. Furthermore, she is quite capable of defending herself and doesn't fit the mold of one who needs protection. There is a clear theme at work across the series here. Response: In the first place, assuming conformity to common tropes from a game that actively subverted a number of them -- e.g. Cloud was initially presented as a badass anti-hero before being deconstructed and revealed as an insecure, mentally weak child with an inferiority complex; Tifa is dressed in a sexually provocative outfit, but is actually shy and introverted, while the modestly dressed (by comparison) Aerith is the flirty, confident one; Aerith dies without deliberately sacrificing herself and isn't revived -- is a poor basis for any argument. In the second, there isn't quite a definite theme at work across the series, even with the examples offered above. Certainly Ingus and Sara from the Nintendo DS version of FFIII fit -- but while Cecil is a Paladin, yes, and he goes out of his way to save Rosa, yes, as a Paladin, he protects everyone while seeking atonement for his crimes as a Dark Knight. No point is made within FFIV's narrative of Cecil singling out Rosa for protection, nor does he even actually make a promise to protect her. Similarly, in FFVI, Locke promises first to protect Terra, and then Celes as well once he meets her. He is protective of all women, not just Celes. He also vows to protect her before he has fallen in love with her. Celes and Locke further fail to fit the purported theme due to the fact that she has nothing in common with the physically demure stereotype of the White Mage. Like Tifa, she is an accomplished warrior -- a swordsman at that. While she does have magical powers, including Holy, the ultimate White Magic, the only restorative spells she learns naturally are Cure and Poisona. In addition, half of her 16 naturally learned spells are openly offensive magic or induce negative status effects. Of her remaining six spells, three induce positive status effects (Protect, Haste and Hastega), two can induce effects either positive or negative depending on their use (Berserk and Vanish) and the last is just Scan/Libra. Meanwhile, Terra, the only other character in FFVI who can learn magic without equipping magicite, is also inherently capable of learning eight openly offensive magic spells (including Holy), but she also learns half a dozen restorative spells as well (Cure, Cura, Poisona, Dispel, Raise and Arise). Her two remaining spells are Teleport, which allows the party to escape battles/dungeons, and Drain, which restores some of the user's MP by draining that amount from an enemy. Neither woman fits the image of a White Mage particularly well -- particularly since both wield swords -- but, of the two, Terra does inherently possess more restorative abilities. Moving on to FFVIII, while Squall certainly vows to protect Rinoa, and while she can teach her pet dog a few restorative/protective abilities (Angelo Recover, Angelo Restore and Invincible Moon), she is hardly a White Mage. She wields a unique weapon more similar to a crossbow than a staff, four of the eight skills Angelo can learn are offensive moves, the three mentioned previously occur only at random, and the last one (Angelo Search) is just one in which the animal digs up items on the battlefield. Furthermore, the Limit Break Rinoa gains after inheriting Edea's powers (Angel Wing) sends her into a Berserk-like state in which she constantly bombards the enemy with offensive magic. Despite this, from a standpoint focused on the story, Rinoa is a much better fit for the suggested theme under address than either Rosa or Celes. For the sake of argument, we'll let her count toward the proposal under analysis and see where it goes otherwise. At least as blatantly as Rosa, Dagger adheres to the image of the White Mage, even if Eiko has access to more White Magic. Making up for any deficiency that there may be in comparison, Dagger makes exclusive use of staves and staff-like weapons, and Zidane does promise to protect Dagger -- on more than one occasion, in fact. In Final Fantasy X, Yuna is yet another perfect match. Despite being, like Dagger, primarily a Summoner who also uses White Magic, she is the only character whose primary Sphere Grid path takes her across the restorative magic typically associated with White Mages. Furthermore, Tidus very much pledges to defend her as one of her Guardians. That being said, the arrangement of a Guardian defending a Summoner has a direct association to Cloud and Tifa rather than Cloud and Aerith. In the arcade platform's release of the Square-published fighting game Ehrgeiz, Cloud and Tifa appear as opponents in the ninth and tenth stages of the game provided the player has completed the first eight stages in less than six minutes, forty seconds. Cloud then appears with the name "Guardian" and must be defeated before the player can fight Tifa, who appears with the name "Summoner": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGr__tVRFs http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ehrgeizguardian.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ehrgeizsummoner.jpg Returning fully now to the matter of Final Fantasy VII, Aerith seems to fit the claimed theme quite well too. Most of her Limit Breaks are reminiscent of magic that would be cast by a White Mage, she only uses staves and Cloud makes a pledge to protect her. However, Cloud also made a promise to protect Tifa years earlier, and it is this promise that has lingered in his mind, making him a protective person in general. As noted in his profile on pg. 40 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 42 of the Revised Edition): (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- A Promise to Tifa, Etched in his Memory When Cloud left the village, dreaming of being a SOLDIER, he swore to Tifa that he would come running to her rescue if she was in trouble. While it was Tifa who strongarmed him into making the promise, it seems that the idea that he must keep this vow was forever in Cloud's mind. In BC, he is obsessive about protecting people, and if he runs out of strength part way though, he will mention the "promise." [screenshot caption] If he runs out of strength part way through the story, he will say regretfully that he "couldn't come through on my promise to her." ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ thepromise.jpg Japanese text: ---- 胸にきざまれたティファとの約束 クラウドはソルジャーを目指して村を出るさい、ティファに「ピンチのときは助けに 駆けつける」と晢っている。もはティファのほうから強引に取りつけさせた約束だが、 クラウドの頭には「この晢いを果たさなくては」という思いがずっとあったらしい。 『BC』では人を守ることにこだわり途中で力尽きた場合は"約束"のことを口に するのだ。 [screenshot caption] 物語の途中で力尽きると、「アイツとの約束を果たせなかった」と悔しそうに 言い残す。 ---- To elaborate on this information, in Before Crisis, Cloud is extremely determined to protect Dr. Rayleigh, a Shin-Ra scientist; the Turk the player uses for Episode 5, The Dream of a Nameless Soldier; and even two of his fellow military personnel who were also assigned to protect Rayleigh. Seeing as Cloud did not single out Aerith for his protection -- and seeing as she was, in fact, the second romantic interest he made such a promise to -- he ultimately doesn't fit the "theme" any better than Celes, despite arguably better fitting the trope of the Japanese RPG hero's girlfriend. Even if she did, though, she would have no direct counterpart in Final Fantasy XII, where the main male hero's canon love interest is Penelo, who is neither a White Mage nor someone Vaan makes a promise of protection to. That said, Penelo is very much reminiscent of a White Mage in FFXII's sequel, Revenant Wings, where she wields staves as her weapons and -- despite being a Dancer -- heavily utilizes White Magick in her skill set. Even so, however, there is still no moment where Vaan vows to protect her, as was the case with Squall and Rinoa, Zidane and Dagger, or Tidus and Yuna. Coming round to Final Fantasy XIII, Serah is Snow's canon love interest, but isn't even a playable character in the first FFXIII. Though she is the main character of FFXIII-2, she begins the game with the Commando, Ravager and Sentinel roles, and, as a Medic, is unable to learn the higher-level healing spells that Noel can. At most, five Final Fantasy couples would fit this proposed theme, and that's only if one a) is generous enough to count Squall and Rinoa, despite Rinoa lacking any similarities whatsoever to White Mages, and b) goes ahead with counting Aerith and Cloud rather than Tifa and Cloud. Cecil and Rosa don't fit, nor do Celes and Locke. Vaan and Penelo don't either, and neither do Snow and Serah. Five out of nine -- the fifth being the argument the other four are supposed to serve as evidence of, with one of them not really matching up anyway and another having a direct parallel to Cloud and Tifa instead of Cloud and Aerith -- isn't quite enough to satisfy the claim of a pervasive theme. It is a recurring element, of course. Of that there is no doubt. Is it an ever-present element, however? No, and certainly not to the extent of invalidating everything that validates Cloud and Tifa as a couple in a setting otherwise containing deliberate design toward subverting tropes. == -Claim: In the original FFVII, Cloud awakes in the middle of the night after the team reaches the City of the Ancients in search of Aerith. The first thing he says upon awakening is "I feel it..." -- which he soon explains to mean "Aerith is here. ...and so is Sephiroth." When asked by his comrades how he knows this, Cloud replies "I feel it in my soul." Clearly this isn't common in FFVII's world, as Cloud's teammates are startled by his claim. Short of a unique spiritual connection between them, how would Cloud have been able to sense Aerith's location? Along those same lines, in Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix, if the player returns to Traverse Town and has Sora speak with Aerith in the Dalmations' House after both visiting the Coliseum and closing the keyhole in Agrabah, the following exchange takes place between them: ---- Aerith Do you remember seeing a man with spiky hair at the coliseum? Sora Yup. Aerith I wonder if he's still searching for his friend? Aerith Sora. Aerith If you see him, please tell him to be careful. Aerith He's not that friendly, but we all care about him deeply. ---- Source screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish5.jpg If not for that same connection existing here, how is it that Aerith knew Cloud was at the Coliseum? Also, how did she know Cloud had encountered Sora? The answer is clear: Cloud and Aerith have the same spiritual connection in the Kingdom Hearts universe that they do in Final Fantasy VII. Nomura has said, after all, that Kingdom Hearts can be taken as commentary on the original FFVII. Furthermore, on pg. 525 of the KH Ultimania, he even said they are parallel stories: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Cloud FFVII's main character, who even I have a strong attachment to. The single wing that appears when he uses the power of darkness is a homage to his eternal rival, Sephiroth. I think that the scene in the ending with Aerith, which is possible because it is parallel, is one answer. ---- Source photo (courtesy of hitoshura) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudkhult_zps554b5a73.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウド 自分の中でも思い入れの強いFFVIIの主人公キャラです。闇の力を 使用する際に現れる片翼は、彼の永遠のライバルでもあるセフィロスへの オマージュだったり します。エン ディングでのエアリスとのシーンは、パラレル だからこそ可能な、1つの答えだと考えています。ちなみに、 キングダムバージョンのFFキャラはスクウェアの著作 物です。 ファンのみなさん、ご安心を。 ---- Furthermore, on pg. 531 of the same Ultimania, Nomura spoke to what he considered the game's central theme: ---- ?-In this work's story, what did you most want to depict? ?-Nomura: I think it can be summarized simply as "connections" ... I wanted to depict that people are connected even when not together physically. And I think it's ubiquitous throughout. Even apart, things that are connected are still connected. ---- Source scans (courtesy of rasenth): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 12wBN_zps4f17c449.jpeg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 12wGp_zpse72084c4.jpeg Japanese text: ---- -本作のストーリーで、 野村さんが一番描きたかったことは? ―野村* お話としては、単純に「つながり」というところを 人と人とは物理的につながってるものじゃないということを描きたかった。 まあ、 それはもう、まんべんなく盛りこまれてると思いますけど。 離れてても、 つながってるものはつながってる。 ---- This concept that he says is prevalent throughout the game is also present in the connection between Aerith and Cloud, as demonstrated by her sensing him at the Coliseum even when she had no prior knowledge of him being there. Response: Beginning at the end of the material under the "Claim" heading above and working backwards, rather than Aerith sensing Cloud at the Coliseum due to a spiritual connection between them, it's more likely that Sora had simply told her he had been at a place where warriors gathered, and she thought it sounded like a place Cloud would go. Obviously there's undepicted dialogue here, unless Aerith asked Sora about the Coliseum without him telling her he had been there ?-- in which case, she would have also sensed Sora there, negating any unique quality to her being aware of Cloud's location. This sort of dialogue in RPGs where an NPC brings up a topic seemingly without prompt is what is truly ubiquitous, and Kingdom Hearts is no exception. When Sora and co. reunite with Leon and Aerith in the Secret Waterway beneath Traverse Town, having gone there to ask Leon about the gummi block that came out of the Deep Jungle's keyhole, Leon says ?-- and without prompt from Sora ?-- "So, you found the keyhole." Leon didn't know that Sora had sealed a keyhole because of some spiritual link to him. He knew because Sora told him ?-- and it's also possible that Sora mentioned going to the Coliseum at this time as well. Along the same lines, when Sora's trio goes to talk with Cid soon after this exchange with Leon, Cid begins a conversation ?-- again without prompt from Sora ?-- with, "What've you got there? Hey! Well, if it ain't a gummi block." These people don't know things because they're psychic. They know things because they're NPCs in an RPG. Next in need of address is the matter of Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy VII being "parallel." This is not quite what Nomura meant in the quote above. While the word he used there literally was the English word "parallel" (note that it is the actual English word simply written in Japanese katakana), when this is done in Japanese, it refers to the parallel worlds/universes seen in science fiction. In this instance, it rather understandably created for a misunderstanding. While there is nothing actually wrong with hito's translation as quoted above, for the sake of clarity, I personally translate that particular passage like so: ---- Cloud FFVII's main character, whom I also have a strong attachment to. The single wing that appears when he uses the power of darkness is an homage to Sephiroth, who is also his perennial rival. I think the ending scene with Aerith, which is possible because it is a parallel universe, is one reason for that. By the way, this is the Kingdom versions of the FF characters in Square's works. All the fans can be relieved. ---- Source photo (courtesy of hitoshura): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudkhult_zps554b5a73.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウド 自分の中でも思い入れの強いFFVIIの主人公キャラです。闇の力を使用する 際に現れる片翼は、彼の永遠のライバルでもあるセフィロスへのオマージュ だったり します。エン ディングでのエアリスとのシーンは、パラレルだからこそ 可能な、1つの答えだと考えています。ちなみに、キングダムバージョンの FFキャラはスクウェアの著作 物です。ファ ンのみなさん、ご安心を。 ---- Nomura's comment is about the ending reunion between Cloud and Aerith being possible because this is a parallel universe. He's not saying that KH and FFVII's stories are parallel. Coming back now to the "soul" of the matter, while Cloud certainly does sense that Aerith is in the City of the Ancients, this can hardly be taken as an indication of a unique spiritual bond between them ?-- much less one based in romantic affection -- given that, in the same breath, he adds "...and so is Sephiroth." Given that both Sephiroth and Aerith had recently been in telepathic contact with Cloud during his dream of the Sleeping Forest, it stands to reason that Cloud could be sensing either or both of them because of that, as well as sensing either or both through the other. Sephiroth, after all, wanted Cloud to find Aerith so that he could force him to kill her as part of a plot to mentally and emotionally torture Cloud. Truth be told, the most likely scenario is that Sephiroth was allowing Cloud to sense Aerith at that moment so as to draw him to her to murder her. That the staircase leading down to the water altar is only open at this point supports the notion ?-- Sephiroth likely opened the way for Cloud, just as he opened his cell door back in the Shin-Ra headquarters. Otherwise, it makes little sense that Cloud didn't immediately sense Aerith's whereabouts in the Ancients' city. Something triggered him knowing where to go at this point, and the most plausible explanation is that it was Sephiroth. == -Claim: Even if a Cloti outcome is verified in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII or official guidebooks to have come out since Hironobu Sakaguchi left Square to found the Mistwalker Corporation in 2001 (remaining at Square in name only until Mistwalker's official debut in 2004), this wouldn't validate the pairing. Sakaguchi, the father of Final Fantasy, was also the producer of FFVII and its chief developer. FFVII may be the legal property of Square Enix, but the story and characters are Sakaguchi's creations. To verify this, one need only view the game's ending credits where it says: BASED ON THE STORY BY HIRONOBU SAKAGUCHI TETSUYA NOMURA Cloti may actually be the farthest thing from what he intended. Response: In the first place, this notion ignores that Tetsuya Nomura -- who is still with Square and has worked extensively on titles from the Compilation of FFVII -- is the other name listed with Sakaguchi's under that credit. Attaching sole ownership of the story and characters to Sakaguchi based on an acknowledgement he shared with Nomura is altogether counterintuitive. In the second place, according to Nomura, most of Sakaguchi's original ideas for FFVII didn't even make it into the final game. While Sakaguchi did provide the game's pivotal concept of planet life, Nomura has described Sakaguchi's original plot as "completely different" from the final product: http://web.archive.org/web/20131107185222/http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/06/0 4/ffvii-not-being-remade-nomura Sakaguchi's limited involvement with the game is also reflected by how little he has ever been interviewed with regard to it. With few exceptions, such as this interview from 1997 made for the Squaresoft Collector's Video released the same year, Sakaguchi has been all but ignored when it comes to discussion of the game's development, even while he was still with Square and prior to the financial fiasco that The Spirits Within film would become for the company: http://web.archive.org/web/20131107190243/ http://www.ff7citadel.com/press/int_sakaguchi.shtml Even in the FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete, there's not a single interview question posed to Sakaguchi, despite discussions taking place with Yoshinori Kitase, Tetsuya Nomura, Kazushige Nojima, Yusuke Naora and a number of other developers. Sakaguchi's limited involvement with the game is further reflected in this interview with the four key developers named above from pg. 565 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega: ---- Before the PlayStation version was made, FFVII was intended for other platforms!? -With 3D as the premise, was it planned to be put on the market for the PlayStation from the project's starting stage? Kitase: No ... How do I put this? At the starting point, it was assumed it would be released for other hardware. Around that time, it was said that the Disk Drive would be coming out, and we tried to make it for that. At an exhibition for new projects, we presented a demo clip we had worked on for about the previous month. The clip featured Cloud's party of 3 battling a monster on the map used for the scene in which you press the switch to blow up the no.1 mako reactor. However, the Disk Drive was just a glimmer in the mind's eye at that point, though we worked with equipment that was assumed would go into it. Naora: Wasn't there a plan for one other piece of hardware before that? Kitase: That's right; after FFVI's development was finished, there was a plan for another piece of hardware intended for FFVII, and it was even started. We had a project meeting and character ideas were proposed, but the team was temporarily dissolved and reset to help with Chrono Trigger. After Chrono Trigger was finished, the team reformed for the Disk Drive version I just talked about, and then, just before a new projects exhibition, there came a change of policy and the PlayStation was finally proposed. Nomura: Even though I had participated in the project before the reset for Chrono Trigger, some of the ideas I proposed at that time still ended up in the PlayStation version of FFVII. On the other hand, a character I had proposed was not used, but actually appeared in FFVIII. ?-Who is this? Nomura: Edea. At first, I thought FFVII was going to be the story of a battle against a sorceress. However, development soon shifted when Sakaguchi-san brought out a mako city plot, and the sorceress story was dropped. Kitase: That was the initial plot Sakaguchi-san made during early development, wasn't it? Nomura: The story that started with New York in the very first plot became the story of a mako city. Kitase: Although there wasn't yet a name for Midgar, the setting of a mako city with a skyscraper illuminated by searchlights had been introduced. While it changed considerably, Sakaguchi-san's initial plot and also his theme of planet life became the foundation. Nojima: Wasn't materia also Sakaguchi-san's idea? Kitase: Yeah. It was called the "Sphere System" at that time, if I remember correctly. However, Sakaguchi-san said he wanted it to have a bit more nuance than that, so he decided on the materia name. Nomura: The character illustrations I drew in the beginning based on Sakaguchi-san's initial plot are still around. Kitase: Cloud hadn't come to be at that time yet, had he? Nomura: Although Cloud hadn't yet taken form, there was a protagonist who became the prototype for him. Kitase: Wasn't he a train robber? Nomura: No, he blew up something. There was also a detective. I remember drawing the protagonist's accomplice, "Nicholas of the Needle," after that. Naora: Ah, I remember that name. Kitase: Then Nicholas became Barret. Nomura: No, there probably wasn't a Barret yet at that time. However, the details were the protagonist and Nicholas of the Needle became a team, blew something up and were pursued by a detective ... I think. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo565-1-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo565-2-1.jpg Japanese text: ---- PS版が制作される前にはほかの機種向けの『FFVII』があった！？ -3Dが前提にあったということは、企画スタートの段階からPSで発売する 予定だったんですか？ 北瀬　いや……これは言ってもいいのかな？じつは、スタート時点ではほかの ハードでの発売を想定していました。当時、そのハードにディスクドライブが 出ると言 われていて、 それ用に作ろうとしていたんですよ。実際に、 新作展示会で流すためのデモ映像を、開催の1ヵ月くらい前まで 作ってました。壱番魔晄炉の爆破スイッチを押すシー ンに使われている マップで、クラウドたち3人とモンスターが戦っている映像でしたね。ただ、 当時はそのディスクドライブは影も形もなったので、それを想定した機材で 作っていたんですけど。 直良　その前にも、もうひとつ別のハードで企画があったじあんないですか。 北瀬　そうそう、一応『FFVI』の開発が終わったあとに、もうひとつ別の ハード向けの『FFVII』の企画も立ち上がっていもしたね。企画会議を したり、キャラクターの アイデア出しをしていたんですが、『クロノ・トリガー』の ヘルプのためにいったんチームを解散してリセットしたんですよ。『クロノ・ トリガー』が終わってから 、先ほど言っ たディスクドライブ版のためにチーム を再結成したあと、さらに新作展示会の直前に方針転換があって、 最終的にPSで出すことになったんです。 野村　僕は『クロノ・トリガー』でリセットされる前のころから企画に 参加していたんですけど、そのときに出したアイデアがそのままPS版の 『FFVII』に残 っていたりし ますよ。逆に、そこで使われなかった キャラクターが、じつは『FFVIII』に出てたりまする。 -それは誰ですか？ 野村　イデアです。最初、『FFVII』は魔女との戦いの話にしようと 考えてたんですよ。でも、開発が1回仕切り直になって、坂口さんの ほうから魔晄都市出て くるプロット がきたので、魔女の話はやめ ちゃったんです。 北瀬　開発のはじめのころには、坂口さんの作った初期プロットが ありましたね。 野村　一番最初のプロットはニューヨークから話がはじまっていて、 そのつぎにきたプロットが魔晄都市の話だった。 北瀬　ミッドガルという名前はまだなかったんですけど、サーチライトで 照らされている摩天楼みたいな感じで、魔晄都市の設定が出て きていましたね。最終的には かなり変更さ れてますが、星の命という テーマの部分も、坂口さんの初期プロットがベースになってます。 野島　マテリアも坂口さんのアイデアでしょ？ 北瀬　そう。マテリアは、たしか当時は「スフィアシステム」って 呼んでいたんですよ。だけど、坂口さんがもう少しハッキリした語感に したいと言って、マテリア という名前に 決まったんです。 野村　坂口さんの初期プロットをもとにして最初に描いたキャラクターの イラストは、いまだに残ってますよ。 北瀬　そのころは、まだクラウドはいなかったよね？ 野村　クラウドはいなかったけど、その原型になった主人公はいました。 北瀬　列車強盗じゃなかったっけ？ 野村　いや、何かを爆破するっていう設定だったような。ほかにも 刑事がいた。それから、主人公の相棒で「針のニコラス」という キャラクターを描いた記憶がある 。 直良　あ、その名前は覚えてる。 北瀬　じゃあ、そのニコラスがバレットなんだ。 野村　いや、たぶんそのころはまだバレットはいなかった。しかし、 主人公と針のニコラスがコンボを組んでいて、何かを爆破して刑事に 追いかけるれるっていうよ うな内容だった……気がします。 ---- While Sakaguchi can certainly be credited with memorable ideas like the concept of planet life, materia and a city fueled by mako, when it comes to the cast, he can't even so much as be credited with the idea of Cloud himself, much less have authority over Cloud's love life. The nails in the coffin on this matter are comments from Sakaguchi himself acknowledging his lack of involvement in both FFVII and FFVIII's development. In the June 5, 2008 issue of Weekly Famitsu, Sakaguchi revealed the following: ---- Famitsu: Mr. Sakaguchi, from the beginning, you held the position of director and producer -- from the Famicom's FFI to FFIII, and the big leap that was the Super Famicom's FFIV. From I to IV, how was your role changed with the Final Fantasy series? Hironobu Sakaguchi: In the beginning, I was the main planner, but when the production team increased, a director was needed, so I took that role as well. Basically, I was responsible for the story, events, in otherwords the tale, up to FFVI. Famitsu: When you say up to VI, I know that Mr Kitase came to light from VII, correct? Sakaguchi: Well, with FFV, I worked with Kitase, and we also did VI together. And after that, Chrono Trigger, too. In FFVII, there was the need for CG movies, and we did not have the skill for that. At the time, we had only worked with the Super Famicom, so our knowledge of CG implementation was near to zero. However, there were many things that only the PlayStation could do that we wanted to try, and there were many techniques we needed to learn. There was enormous work to be done in the producing aspect, so I went in that direction, and I left Kitase in charge of the main aspect. ... Famitsu: So you are concerned with how to present a game more dramatically, by acquiring the technique of Hollywood staff. But how will FF evolve, and your role in VIII change? Sakaguchi: In VIII, I am purely the producer. The production is in Hawaii and Tokyo. Like VII, Kitase will completely direct. ---- Source link: http://web.archive.org/web/20131107192131/ http://playstationjapan.tripod.com/Sakaguchi.html Added to all this, Sakaguchi has also revealed in an August 2010 interview with Nintendo president Satoru Iwata, while discussing Mistwalker production "The Last Story," that he had prioritized game design over the story in what involvement he did have with FFVII: ---- Iwata: It's two-and-a-half years since you started development of this game, and yet you've been thinking constantly 'what makes a game fun?', haven't you? Sakaguchi: Yes, although conversely that made it very tough to put the story in place. While the final product, therefore, does have a really tight story and movie-style production, if I had to choose which element is stronger in this game, I'd say it was the gameplay. Of course, there is an underlying storyline, providing flavour for the game, so... What can I say...? Well, it's not like a thoroughly wrapped sushi roll; it feels more like it's pierced with a toothpick. Iwata: So the story doesn't run continually throughout the game but, just like you stick toothpicks, you inserted the stories in the pivotal points -- is that what you mean? Sakaguchi: Yes, that's what I mean. It wasn't a case of being 'based on the story', it was more that the story would be put into the game itself. This meant that I prioritised the game systems for the first time in ages -- since FFVII, in fact, so 13 years. Because the question back then was how to implement 3D in the game, I made the systems the priority for that game too. ---- Simply put, Sakaguchi has no ownership over Cloud, Aerith, Tifa or FFVII. It wouldn't even be surprising if Yoshitaka Amano knew more about Aerith, Tifa and Cloud during development, and -- as we've seen -- he doesn't even play the Final Fantasy games. == ?-Claims regarding cameos In the years following Final Fantasy VII's release, there have been a number of other Square titles to feature its iconic characters in cameo or guest appearances. What likely make for the most notable of these are found in the Kingdom Hearts series, but there are numerous others. Naturally, they have all found a home in the LTD. The pro-Clerith arguments surrounding each of these appearances will be addressed below, in chronological order of publication. ---- -Claim: Final Fantasy Tactics features appearances by both Cloud and Aerith. Summoned to Ivalice via a machine powered by a "holy stone" -- "Holy," of course, being the name of the spell cast by Aerith's White Materia in FFVII -- Cloud speaks of finding the Promised Land, and runs into Aerith during his journey. In fact, Cloud meets this alternate universe's version of Aerith under circumstances highly reminiscent of their first encounter in FFVII, as she is a flower vendor here as well and once again offers to sell him a flower for 1 gil -- right before he comes to her rescue when she is assailed by a group of ruffians. This scenario alone is quite the nod to the CloudxAerith pairing, as Cloud spoke of meeting Aerith again in the Promised Land during FFVII's ending, was her bodyguard for quite some time, and rescued her from the Turks after their first real conversation. The allusions don't stop there. Several of Cloud's lines upon arriving in the land of Ivalice seem to reference Aerith's death, along with Cloud demanding Sephiroth stop what he's doing (official English translation of the PlayStation edition) ---- Cloud What's this? My fingers are tingling... My eyes...they're burning... Stop...stop it.... phiros... ---- (official English translation of the War of the Lions edition) ---- Cloud Uhn...What is this...this feeling in my fingertips? The heat! Inside my skull...No, stop...Sephiroth -- no! ---- (Japanese text) ---- 異邦人クラウド 「う…何だ、この感じは… 指先がチリチリする…。 「熱い…目の奥が熱い… やめろ…やめてくれ…フィロス……。 ---- Notice the similarities to Cloud's lines when Aerith has just been murdered in FFVII: ---- What about my pain? My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning! ---- Keeping these lines in mind, now consider the conversation Cloud and Ramza have before Cloud officially joins Ramza's group: (official English translation of the PlayStation edition) ---- Cloud I lost...a very important thing... Ramza Cloud......? Cloud Ever since, I've been lost. Who am I? What should I do? What about this pain... Ramza Cloud...there's someone in your world waiting for you. We might be able to send you back where you came from by using the stone's power. Cloud Let's go, Ramza. I can't be here. Must go...to the Promised Land. ---- (official English translation of the War of the Lions edition) ---- Cloud I've lost something...something very important. Ramza Cloud...? Cloud I've not been myself ever since. Who...who am I now? What should I do? How...how can I stop this pain? Ramza Cloud...There are people waiting for you back in your world, am I not right? With the power of another Stone, we may be able to return you there. Cloud Let's go, Ramza. I can't stay here. I have to get there -- to the Promised Land. ---- (Japanese text) ---- 異邦人クラウド 「なくしてしまったんだ… 大切な…とても大切なものを…。 剣士ラムザ 「クラウド…？ 異邦人クラウド 「あの時からオレはオレでなくなった。 今のオレは…誰なんだ？ 「オレは…どうしたらいい？ この痛みはどうしたらいい？ 剣士ラムザ 「クラウド…、きみの世界に きみを待っている人がいるんだね？ 「他の聖石の力を使えば きみを元いた世界へ戻すことが できるかもしれない…。 異邦人クラウド 「…行こう、ラムザ。 ここにはいられない。 「行かなければ…、 ここじゃない場所…約束の地へ…。 ---- Here, Cloud speaks of a pain he wishes to end. When Aerith died, he said "What about my pain?" It would seem that Cloud's appearance in Final Fantasy Tactics is all related to a theme of loss, pain and seeking the Promised Land, where he would be reunited with Aerith and his pain healed. Cloud's relationship with Aerith has yet more potential references to be found in this title. Despite his official birthday being August 11, making him a Leo, in Tactics his birthday appears as January 31 (FFVII's release date in 1997), rendering him an Aquarius like Aerith instead. As a final observation, Cloud is -- alone of all male units in Tactics -- able to equip the Ribbon accessory, an otherwise female-exclusive piece of equipment. This holds true at least so far as the PlayStation edition of the game is concerned. The War of the Lions re-release on PSP allowed all units with the Onion Knight job class, regardless of sex, to equip female-exclusive equipment. In any case, it is clear to see what was intended here: Emphasis was placed upon Cloud and Aerith's connection with one another. Response: There are certainly striking observations to be made here. It's impossible to argue with the emphasis on a connection between Cloud and Aerith presented by Cloud meeting an alternate universe Aerith under such similar circumstances, and it would hardly be a stretch for one to see that alone as romantic. As well, there seems little reason for Cloud's Zodiac sign to be changed to match Aerith's unless there were a deliberate allegory at work. Despite the Cancer Zodiac Stone being used to power the device that summons him from his world rather than the Aquarius Stone, his presence is still tied to her, it seems. The Ribbon, too, is strongly indicative of a connection. While one might be quick to say that this could be a reference to Cloud's stint as a crossdresser in Wallmarket instead since his dress had a large ribbon on the back, it's odd that he can equip this accessory, but not any other female-exclusives. Were Tactics' staff referencing the Wallmarket disguise, one would expect they would at least have also made the perfume accessories and something like the Cachusha equipable for him, as the player could acquire a tiara and scents for him in Wallmarket. What Tactics' staff intended by all this, we may never know for certain, but it does seem like a legitimate nod at the possible romance between Cloud and Aerith. That said, a couple of points in this analysis of Cloud and Aerith's appearances in Tactics require some clarification. First, and more notably, all the Zodiac Stones were called "hijiri ishi" (?聖石) in Japanese. This became "Holy Stones" in the official English translation of the PlayStation edition; and variously "auracite," "sacred stones" and "God Stones" in the retranslation for the War of the Lions edition. The word "hijiri" (?聖) means "holy," "divine," "pure" or "sacred." The spell Holy from FFVII was just the English word written in katakana (ホーリー), so it's not being referenced by the Zodiac Stones, which figure prominently into Tactics' story and have nothing to do with FFVII. Secondly, Cloud doesn't come across Aerith in Ivalice while seeking the Promised Land. Rather, he announces "What I need is a battlefield" (both official English translations) after his arrival, still believing himself to be a member of SOLDIER at this time. That he still believed himself to be a SOLDIER at this time raises another relevant point: Cloud as he appears during Final Fantasy Tactics must have been pulled to Ivalice during the week or so he was missing in the Lifestream after Sephiroth cast Meteor. He even mentions, upon arrival, that the last thing he remembers is being swept up in the Lifestream: (official English translation of the PlayStation edition) ---- Summoned young man What happened? Last thing I remember was getting caught in the current. ---- (official English translation of the War of the Lions edition) ---- Young man What...is this place? Who...who am I? I remember being swallowed by a current?a great stream, and then... ---- (Japanese text) ---- 召喚された若者 「ここは……？ オレは…いったい……？ 「流れに…とても大きな流れに 飲み込まれて…それから……？ ---- His last previous recollection, combined with his persistent identity crises, pinpoint this as the period in FFVII's story Cloud was plucked from his world. What this means, then, is that Cloud had not even yet uttered the famous phrase from FFVII's ending about meeting Aerith in the Promised Land. He almost certainly didn't encounter her in Ivalice while in search of it. Finally, the pain Cloud speaks of here is not the loss of Aerith. It may well even be that what he references having lost isn't her. The pain he speaks of is simply his chronic headaches. His in-game profile references them: (official English translation of the PlayStation edition) ---- A young man summoned from a different dimension by a machine called, the "Transmission Machine". This old generation machine was found by Machinist Besrodio, in the underground mine number 83 in the city of Goug. He may be affected by the transmission, but he mumbles, "My head..." or "...phiros...". Your circumstances makes him defect during battle. ---- (official English translation of the War of the Lions edition) ---- Besrudio Bunansa discovered a marvel of ancient technology called a "trans- porter" in Tunnel 83, far beneath the city of Goug. This peculiar machine summoned Cloud from another dimension. Perhaps in shock from his inter- dimensional journey, he complained of headaches, mumbling foreign words such as "Sephiroth." It is unknown whether he can return to his own world. ---- (Japanese text) ---- 異邦人クラウド（？歳） 機工師ベスロディオがゴーグの地下の第８３番坑道から発見した旧時代の 機械、『転送機』によって異次元から召喚された若者。転送のショック なのか、はたまた、もともとそうなのか定かではないが、「頭が痛い…」 とか「…フィロス」などとわけのわからないことを口走る。はたして彼は 元の世界へ戻れるのか？ ---- What he refers to losing may actually be his sanity and sense of identity. Lines alluding to Aerith's death are not all that Cloud mentions. Immediately prior to Cloud and Ramza's discussion quoted above, during the battle where the player must assist Cloud, if the battle lasts long enough, Cloud will fall to one knee, leading to this bit of dialogue: (official English translation of the PlayStation edition) ---- Cloud Uhn...my head hurts... Ramza What's wrong, Cloud!! Cloud ...Stop, stop! I'm from SOLDIER! Not a puppet! ---- (official English translation of the War of the Lions edition) ---- Cloud Uhnnn...My head... Ramza What's the matter, Cloud!? Cloud No...stop! I'm a member of SOLDIER! I was not...made! ---- (Japanese text) ---- 異邦人クラウド 「う……うう…… 頭が痛い……。 剣士ラムザ 「どうしたんだ、クラウド！！ 異邦人クラウド 「…やめろ、やめろーッ！！ 「オレはソルジャーなんだ！ 人形なんかじゃないッ！ ---- This is, of course, in reference to AVALANCHE's confrontation with Sephiroth beyond the Whirlwind Maze, where he presented Cloud with the lie that Cloud was a manufactured being and not the original Cloud Strife. Truth be told, both Aerith's death and the loss of Cloud's sanity are viable candidates for the reference at work here, particularly in light of this passage from pg. 120 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, where the literary foreshadowing of one of Cait Sith's predictions is addressed: ---- Divination With Profound Meaning Cait Sith's predictions of Sephiroth's whereabouts result in 3 outcomes. Disregarding the first two, in order to deceive the party, the third prediction becomes an excuse for Cait Sith to follow them ?-- he says, "What you pursue will be yours. But you will lose something dear." When the story progresses to the Forgotten Capital, "you will lose something dear" seems to refer to the loss of Aerith, but when it advances to the Great Northern Cave, it can be thought of as the breakdown of Cloud's sense of self. [Screenshot caption] Is it just something he thought up as an excuse to join the group? ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ prediction_zpsb7176c6d.jpg Japanese text: ---- 意味深な占い セフィロスの行方に関するケット・シーの占いの結果は3つ。最初のふたつはともかく、 引っかかるのは、ケット・シーが一行についていくきっかけとなった3つ目の占い-- 「求めれば必ず会えます。しかし最も大切なものを失います」というものだ。 忘らるる都まで物語を進めれば、「最も大切なものを失います」とはエアリスを 失うことだったとも思 えるし、さらに大空洞まで進めれば、クラウドが自我崩壊 に至ることを示唆していたとも受け取れる。 [Screenshot caption] それとも単に、仲間に加わる口実をひねり出すためのもの？ ---- Given, however, that he mentions not being himself since he lost this important thing, the repeated questioning of his identity points more to this actually being in reference to his shattered psyche. At least so far as the appearance in Tactics goes, the loss of identity better matches the story. Whatever the case, there is certainly a powerful connection suggested by Cloud and Aerith's appearances in Final Fantasy Tactics. That it could even be alluding to the possible romance that never came to be does not seem unlikely. == -Claim: In the Square-developed action RPG Parasite Eve, artwork by Yoshitaka Amano of Cloud and Aerith sitting together can be seen from the map screen on a billboard above the entrance to New York's subway. Said billboard even has "Final Fantasy VII" written across it. Despite being somewhat difficult to distinguish in the game's graphics, pg. 563 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega confirms the content on the billboard: ---- On the screen where you decide what area to investigate, a billboard depicting an image of Cloud and Aerith sitting together can be discovered. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiinpe.jpg Japanese text: ---- 探索するエリアを決める画面で、地下鉄の入口のところに、クラウドとエアリス がすわっている絵の描かれた看板を発見できる。 ---- Compare the image on the billboard to this piece of artwork by Amano: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tranquility.jpg Next, consider that in Parasite Eve II, Cloud and Aerith are referenced together once again. Here, Cloud's name is that of an anti-virus that the player must deploy and the clue to activating the virus is found in an issue of "Aeris" magazine: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudantivirus.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerisvol9.jpg The matter is detailed on pg. 128 of the Official Parasite Eve Strategy Guide (scans courtesy of Clorith): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ pecloudaeris.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ pecloudaeris2.jpg As with the reference from Final Fantasy Tactics, we are being told something here. Response: There is certainly allusion here once more to a significant connection between Cloud and Aerith. Fair argument. == -Claim: In the shopping district of Final Fantasy VIII's Esthar City, there is a store called "Cloud's Shop." An obvious reference to FFVII's leading man, the store also references Aerith via the ribbons around the wrapped gifts the store occasionally provides the player: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudshop.jpg Another reference to their connection from yet another Square title. Response: The ribbons on the presents are not in reference to Aerith. All of the stores in Esthar provide identically wrapped presents, including, for example, Johnny's Shop: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ johnnyshop.jpg == -Claim: After Kuja's attack on Alexandria relatively late in Final Fantasy IX -- an installment that celebrated the series's history with a host of references to past FF titles -- Pluto Knight VII, Weimar, can be found in the city talking to a flower girl next to a ruined building that resembles a church and is identified with "Alexandria/Steeple" on the save data screen when the player first gets the option of saving their progress: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffixsteeple.jpg If the player speaks to Weimar as he and the flower girl converse, the knight will say, "To have the chance to meet a pretty flower like you in a destroyed city... Oh, I'm the luckiest guy in the world!" Meanwhile, the flower girl will say, "He's handsome, but he's not exactly Mr. Personality..." -- all of this quite the obvious series of references to Final Fantasy VII (Pluto Knight VII), Cloud (Weimar being "not exactly Mr. Personality"), Aerith (the flower girl) and Aerith's church (the building identified as "Steeple"): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiix1_zpsb397fa94.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiix2_zpsa8ff9ee7.png Though their lines in the Japanese version aren't quite the same, they're pretty close, and still make the same allusions. Their Japanese lines: ---- Weimar: 「この荒れ果てた町で、こんなひな菊のようにカレンでかわいい コと出会えるなんて、僕はなんという幸せ者なんだ！！」 Flower Girl: 「このひと、顔はいいんだけど、ちょっと性格がねぇ……」 ---- Translations: ---- Weimar: "What a lucky guy I am to meet a cutie so like a flower in this desolate town!!" Flower Girl: "This guy has a nice face, but his personality is kinda ..." ---- This is yet another in a long line of references outside FFVII itself that point to Cloud and Aerith's love for one another. Response: Seeing a nod to the CloudxAerith pairing in this is actually the reasonable conclusion to draw. Certainly Weimar is not a reference to Zack, even if his enthusiasm seems more befitting of Cloud's deceased best friend. Given when FFIX came out, we didn't yet have Crisis Core and a whole game to spend time with Zack's personality. While what little we saw of him in FFVII did paint him as more congenial than Cloud, the flower girl says that Weimar "isn't exactly Mr. Personality," which is a good description of Cloud, who was already known to FF fans at the time to be kind of awkward and simple. As far as IX's developers go, they would be expecting players to associate this flower girl and the Pluto Knight with Aerith and Cloud. Added to that, even though what the flower girl actually says to describe Weimer is something closer to "his personality is kinda ...," the fact that the flower girl even comments on his personality in this manner makes it sound like she's implying something negative. At least not positive anyway. For that matter, Cloud's personality really is kinda ... well, fill in the blank. Dull? Simple? Not as alluring as his face? It fits. Besides, looking at a soldier meeting a flower girl (what will that sound like to most FFVII veterans?) and expecting it to sound exactly like Cloud and Aerith talking to one another is expecting too much from a reference in a game that made Madeen a female and Black Mages into condensed spirit poop. All that said, the follow comments from hitoshura may also need to be considered: ---- Only English fans seem to consider this a reference to FFVII. When the Ultimania Omega listed FFVII cameos in other games, it didn't say a word about this. It mentions the Cloud sprite in the PS1 version of FFV, it mentions characters' names appearing in other games, but not this. FFIX's section mentions Zidane talking about a "spiky-haired guy with a big sword," but doesn't mention anything about a romantic cameo of the true couple of FFVII? ... I can see why people believe that, but I am suspicious of it being a "romantic C/A cameo." This isn't really like FFT where one is "Aerith" and the other is clearly Cloud. This is an NPC who happens to sell flowers being hit on by a character who sounds, acts and looks nothing like Cloud. Apart from being "Knight no. 7," he's completely different. He's Cloud in number alone. Haagen is nothing like Squall, Laudo isn't like Cecil (unless I don't remember his secret ambition to be an author). The Knights themselves aren't really references to the past games; it's more a reference to the number "9" than anything else. If this is meant to be a romantic cameo, it's a cameo where one character is nothing like his original counterpart and the other says he is basically just a pretty face. The FFVII Ultimania Omega mentions dozens of little references to FFVII in other games, including ability names in FFVIII and character names in Crystal Chronicles or the "Cloud anti-virus" and "Aerith" magazine in Parasite Eve 2, but not this one. FFIX's own Ultimania mentions the weapon shop Cloud reference and Rufus's welcoming ceremony music, but again not this. "Atla" is a reference to Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon, "Wayne" and "Torres" are from Parasite Eve, "no place to put a medal" is a parody of a certain horror game -- but nothing about a reference to Cloud and Aerith? No one thought "This is a neat little reference to Cloud and Aerith in FFIX. I'm going to post about it online somewhere so other people can know about it"? ---- == -Claim: In the first Kingdom Hearts game, we learn that Cloud is searching for someone and is willing to go to great lengths to find this person -- even to the point of cooperating with Hades and using the power of darkness. As Sora discusses the matter with him after Cloud leaves Hades' service, Cloud reveals that, like Sora, he is searching for the light in his own life: ---- Sora: "Hey, are you all right?" Cloud: "Yeah." Sora: "So why did you go along with him, anyway?" Cloud: "I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help. I tried to exploit the power of darkness, but it backfired. I fell into darkness, and couldn't find the light." Sora: "You'll find it. I'm searching, too." Cloud: "For your light? Don't lose sight of it." ---- Though Cloud doesn't come out and directly say that he is searching for his light, he does make an association here between his search and Sora's search "for your light." A parallel of sorts is established between their respective endeavours. Cloud then isn't seen again until the ending credits of the game, where he is reunited with Aerith alongside clips of other romantic couples being reunited. Furthermore, in an interview with the Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine for its October 2002 issue (issue #61, pg. 139), Nomura was asked, "What was the thought behind bringing back Aerith?" and gave the following response: ---- Yes, she died in Final Fantasy VII, but there's no real relation to where she was at or what role she played in FFVII. There's no relationship from FFVII to the Kingdom Hearts stories. I consider them separate stories. But if you play Kingdom Hearts, toward the end, some of the questions about the relationship between Cloud and Aeris in FFVII might be answered. It's sort of like a side story, and this was an extra bonus that I wanted to give to players. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ nomurakh.gif Though Nomura says that KH and FFVII are separate stories with no relationship, he does suggest that one might be able to serve as commentary on the other, particularly with regard to Cloud and Aerith's relationship. The meaning at work here is clear: Cloud was searching for his light, and his light is Aerith, the woman he is in love with -- a fairly direct parallel to the situation between Sora and Kairi. It is otherwise made evident in the Kingdom Hearts mythos that someone's light is their romantic partner -- the person they're in love with. This is most evident in the relationship between Sora and Kairi. Even the original Kingdom Hearts makes it clear that Kairi is Sora's light. We know, after all, that Sora was searching for his light, and also that he was searching for Kairi, whom he is in love with. This fact is directly stated in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, however, where Namine says the following to sora: "But there's another promise you made -- a promise to someone you could never replace. She's your light. The light within the darkness." Regardless of whatever complications may have been introduced to Cloud and Aerith's Kingdom Hearts story in later titles that included Sephiroth and Tifa, the fact remains that they were the only two characters central to Cloud's tale that were present in the original Japanese release, and whatever truth there is to be found about Cloud's search for his light must be present within the original release. Furthermore, according to Tetsuya Nomura on pg. 525 of the KH Ultimania, Cloud was actually added to Kingdom Hearts to expand Aerith's story presence: ---- Aerith At the time of FFVII, some of my comments weren't what I intended, and I actually had hoped to amend them, but it was too late. Until midway through, this role was supposed to be filled by Aya from Parasite Eve, but there were requests from staff who worked on FFVII, so this appearance for Aerith came about and the story was expanded from there with Cloud. There are multiple cases where the development of characters' stories were born out of exchanges such as this. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ AerithKHUlt_zpsab3e5807.jpg Japanese text: ---- エアリス FFVII当時に、意図と違う表現が自分の言葉になっていて、正しい表現への 差し替えをお願いしたのですが、手遅れでした。この役は、途中まではPEの アヤにする予定で し たが、FFVIIを担当していたスタッフからの要望もあり、 今回のエアリスの登場が実現し、そこからクラウドとのお話が膨らんでいきました。 キャラクターの物 語の展開は、 こういったやり取りの中から生まれる 場合もあります。 ---- In summary, Cloud was added to Kingdom Hearts as an expansion of Aerith's presence, Aerith is his light/romantic partner, and he was searching for her. Furthermore, these facts are reinforced by a theme from the ending credits of the first Kingdom Hearts, where Cloud and Aerith are reunited as several other romantic couples simultaneously reunite. Response: The first and most obvious problem with the foundation of this whole line of reasoning is that not every person has a romantic partner nor even someone they are in love with, much less a person who reciprocates those feelings. This fact would exclude a great many people from possessing a light in the manner described above, yet everyone has light and darkness within them in Kingdom Hearts's cosmology -- with exception to the Seven Princesses of Heart, whose hearts are without darkness. One's light may be their romantic partner, but it is also made clear within the series that a person's light comes from within them. As the mechanics of this particular element of the Kingdom Hearts mythos have never been fully explained, it would be most prudent to conclude that a romantic partner -- or anyone else of especial significance to a particular person -- is able to serve as a steward of sorts for their light, housing it within them. Such an example might include when Kairi's heart took up residence within Sora following the loss of her own heart. The second issue in need of address here relates back to the first. There's simply no confirmation that being someone's light is an inherently romantic thing. The only time we know of it happening is with Sora and Kairi. This one example should not necessarily be taken as a standard that every other situation must follow. Up next, it's frequently overlooked but notable that Cloud does not say that he made use of the power of darkness in his search for his light, nor does he even state that he is looking for his light. The English localization may leave one with that impression, but even there it's clear that he made use of darkness in a search that was already underway, and -- as a consequence of using darkness -- "couldn't find the light." For accuracy's sake, though, what he actually said is that once he fell into darkness, he lost sight of the light. He then immediately warns Sora not to do the same: "Don't lose sight of it." Here is the Japanese text of Cloud's line from the game: 「闇にとらわれ、光を見失った」 "I was caught in the darkness, and lost sight of the light." Screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lostsightofthelight1.jpg Here also is his subsequent line where he urges Sora not to do the same (note the identical wording in Japanese): ?「見失うなよ」 "Don't lose sight of it." Screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lostsightofthelight2.jpg This being said, a player of the original Japanese release of Kingdom Hearts -- or even the North American release of the game, for that matter -- could hardly be faulted for concluding that Cloud was searching for Aerith anyway. The information gone over under the "Claim" header above still seems to paint a rather clear picture: Cloud is searching for someone just as Sora is; Sora is searching for his light; Sora's light is Kairi, whom he is in love with; Cloud is reunited with Aerith in the game's ending; Cloud must have been searching for Aerith; Aerith must be Cloud's light; and all this can be taken as a comment about their relationship in the Final Fantasy VII canon. Truth be told, at the time of Kingdom Hearts's original release and the release of its Ultimania, this would have been a powerful argument. Perhaps an unbeatable one when combined with Cloud's "I think I can meet her... there" line from the original game, as well as the Final Fantasy Tactics cameos and FFIX reference. Of course, exactly what commentary could be made on the original by the meeting in KH was characteristically left unclear by Nomura. Again, though, at the time of the initial release of Kingdom Hearts, it would not be unreasonable to draw romantic conclusions from it. However, the situation quickly became more complicated. The North American release of Kingdom Hearts saw the inclusion of Sephiroth as an optional boss. Very soon after that, Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix was released in Japan and Sephiroth was concretely identified as the person for whom Cloud had been searching -- even by Aerith herself. After meeting Cloud in the Olympus Coliseum world and then closing the Keyhole in Agrabah, if one returns to Traverse Town and speaks with Aerith in the Dalmations' house, the following exchange takes place: (translation by hitoshura) ---- Aerith 鬪技塲に、おっきな剣を持ったシンシン頭の人、いるでしょ？ At the coliseum, is there a person with spiky hair and a big sword? Sora ああ。 Yeah. Aerith …あの人、まだ彼のこと搜しているのみしら… ...I wonder if he's still searching for him... Aerith ね、ソラ。 Hey, Sora. Aerith もし会ったら、無茶はしないてって、伝えて。 If you see him, tell him not to do anything rash. Aerith 無受想な人だけど、何かあったら私のほかにも悲しむ人、いるから… He's not a sociable person, but if something happens to him, there'll be other people besides me who'll be sad. ---- Source screenshots (courtesy of hitoshura): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudssearch1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudssearch2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudssearch3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudssearch4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudssearch5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudssearch6.jpg With the recent release of the Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 ReMIX collection around the world, there is now -- eleven years later -- even an official English translation of this dialogue from the Final Mix edition of the game, though the translator's choice of wording in reference to Sephiroth is more than a little odd (as well as inaccurate as a translation of the Japanese line): ---- Aerith Do you remember seeing a man with spiky hair at the coliseum? Sora Yup. Aerith I wonder if he's still searching for his friend? Aerith Sora. Aerith If you see him, please tell him to be careful. Aerith He's not that friendly, but we all care about him deeply. ---- Source screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ searchinginenglish5.jpg In any case, Cloud himself later confirms that he was searching for Sephiroth during a conversation that takes place with his recurring rival after the player has defeated Sephiroth at the Coliseum: (translation by Thorfinn Tait) ---- Cloud やっと会えたな So we meet at last. Sephiroth 俺も探していた I was searching for you too. Cloud おまえが存在する限り 俺は悪夢から覚めることができない As long as you exist, I can't wake from this nightmare. Cloud お前は俺の闇だ You are my darkness. Sephiroth ならば闇へと誘おう If that's so, I shall draw you into the darkness. Sephiroth 永遠に光を奪い、 覚めることのない悪夢の中へ Into the nightmare that forever deprives you of light, from which you can never awaken. ---- Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x7bFLp72ws The official English dialogue from the KH HD I.5 ReMIX release is very similar to Thorfinn Tait's translation from eleven years ago: ---- Cloud I've been looking for you. Sephiroth As have I. Cloud As long as you exist, I'll never wake from this nightmare. Cloud You're my darkness. Sephiroth I'm a part of you, am I? Sephiroth Then join me in this eternal nightmare untarnished by light. ---- Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp_F-7e4u_4 The argument that this information should not be considered canon because it wasn't present in the original Japanese release of the game doesn't hold water for what should be obvious reasons. If they aren't quite, then hopefully this will put the matter in perspective: The original Japanese release of Final Fantasy VII lacked the Emerald and Ruby Weapons (both of whom are featured in an FMV in the North American and Japanese International releases), as well as Tifa's flashback to finding Cloud at the train station in Midgar's Sector 7, and even Cloud's flashback depicting his escape with Zack from the Shinra Mansion to the outskirts of Midgar, where Zack is gunned down (a sequence included in Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII and adapted for Crisis Core). These details -- much of them crucial backstory for Cloud -- were not in the original Japanese release, and yet they are most assuredly canon. Vital, in fact, to the FFVII that we know and love today. As originally released, FFVII left quite a confusing conundrum with regard to how Cloud ended up in Midgar with AVALANCHE. These crucial missing details explained not only that, but also what became of Zack, how Cloud ended up in a SOLDIER's uniform, why he believed he had done things that were actually performed by Zack, where he got the idea to be a mercenary, how he acquired Zack's sword, and how Tifa found him. For that matter, even in the KH Ultimania, Nomura said that Sephiroth was intended to have been present from the first release. This exchange comes from pg. 534: ---- ?-"If there is a sequel, will Cloud and the other FF characters appear again?" Nomura: "Certainly, if there is a sequel, Cloud will show up again. As a matter of fact, XXXXXXXXX will be appearing in the overseas edition of Kingdom Hearts." ?-"Ah!" Nomura: "That being the case, I'd like to expand Cloud's dialogue from here on out." ?-"The overseas edition won't be the same as what you have now then?" Nomura: "A few extra elements are being included. For example, XXXXXXXXX is newly added. With the domestic version, the design was finalized and the polygon model was also created, but due to time constraints, it had to be cut. Such things are being restored. I guess because my staff had never been this involved with a game, pretty much everyone said, "I want to fight a strong enemy." Many opinions were considered, and we performed as much fine-tuning and refinement of portions that raised concerns as we could in the limited time available." ---- Source scans (courtesy of rasenth): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ secretseph_zps9e395dd2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ secretseph2_zps6b8cc970.jpg Japanese text: ---- -つぎがあるなら、クラウドとかの『FF』キャラクターも出るんでしょうか？ 野村　そうですね、クラウドは、つぎがあるんだったらまた出したですね。じつは、 海外版の『キングダムハーツ』では×××××が×××××んですよ。 -おおー！ 野村　なので、いろいろクラウドの話は今後はふくらませられるかなと。 -海外版はそのままの移植ではないんですね？ 野村　プラスアルファの要素がいくつか入ってるんですよ。たとえば、×××××が 新たに入ってたり。国内版では、デザイン起こして、ポリゴンモデルもできてた のに、時間の 都合でどうしてもカットしなきゃいけなかったんですよ。そういうも のが復活してたり。あと、ウチのスタッフが、こんなにやりこんだゲームはない だろうというぐ らいにみんな やりこんでたんで、「強い敵と戦いたい」と言う声も 多かった。そういう、もろもろの 意見を反映させて、かぎられた時間で可能なチューニングや追加、気になった 部分の強化を しています。 ---- Nomura reiterated this fact in an interview on pp. 723-724 of the KHII Ultimania, as well as revealed that the developers had originally wanted to include Tifa as well: ---- ?-"What was the process for selecting characters from the FF series?" Nomura: "We got a sense of which characters had a lot of demand for an appearance. Although many opinions from the fans were weighed, a lot of the requested characters overlapped with each other." ?-"Tifa from FFVII was introduced." Nomura: "As a matter of fact, the staff wanted to include her when making KHFM. 'As a brawler, it would be interesting to battle with her,' they said, and they actually wanted to add both Sephiroth and Tifa; however, the schedule we were working under didn't allow us to include more than one, so Sephiroth was selected for KHFM. Because of that, we discussed having her appear this time. Because the voice recording for KHII and FFVII Advent Children (hereafter, FFVIIAC) was being performed at the same time, it started to seem like we were doing KHII one day, then FFVIIAC the next (laughs). I think it was beneficial that the voices were recorded during the same time period." ---- Source scans (courtesy of nunuu): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ notsecretseph_zpse883c470.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ notsecretseph2_zps9ba4295a.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ notsecretseph3_zps97401a3b.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ notsecretseph4_zps7b97f49d.jpg Japanese text: ---- -『FF』シリーズのキャラクターは、どういう基準で選んでいったんですか？ 野村　要望が多いキャラクターを出す、という感じでした。ファンのかたがたの 意見の両方から考えるんですけど、やっぱり要望多いキャラクターは重 なってきますよ。 -『FFVII』からはティファが登場しましたね。 野村　じつはティファは、『KHFM』を作るときに、スタッフのほうから出して ほしいと言われていたんです。 「肉弾戦という意味で、ティファとのバトルはおも しろくなりそ うだ」と 言われて、本当はセフィロスとティファを追加したかったんですけど、 スケジュール上ひとりしか入らないということで、『KHFM』ではセフィロスを 選択した。そう いうこともあったので、今回はティファを出そうという話になり ましたね。『KHII』のボイス 収録は、ちょうど『FFVII　アドベントチルドレン』（以下『FFVII AC』）と 同じころにやっていたので、今日収録は『FFVII AC』、明日は『KHII』 ……みたいになってまし（笑）。同じ流れのなかでボイスを録れたので、 良かったなと思います。 ---- But ignore all this. Go ahead and make the argument that Cloud wasn't searching for Sephiroth because Sephiroth wasn't in the original release of Kingdom Hearts. In the process, one would have to essentially destroy the plot of Final Fantasy VII -- not to mention cast aside all the significant new details from Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix, the altered Chaos Reports in the North American and Universal Tuning releases of Dissidia Final Fantasy, retcons from Dissidia 012 and the retcons and added footage from Advent Children Complete. A great host of details would need to be cast aside, despite their obvious status as canon. If one wishes to debate the canon, then one must be willing to accept the canon. That matter settled, let's move forward. With the release of Kingdom Hearts II, the solidarity of prior conclusions were cast further askew. Just as Sephiroth had been revealed to embody the darkness in Cloud during Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix -- a plot point reiterated by Cloud in Kingdom Hearts II ("This time we settle it. Me, and the one who embodies all the darkness in me") -- Tifa appears here and is revealed to be the embodiment of the light within Cloud. Though this is never directly stated in-game like the nature of Sephiroth's existence, it becomes clear with a minimum of detective work. These lines from Sephiroth's set it all up: -"Cloud is the one who hungers for Darkness." -"That last bit of light is always the hardest to snuff out." -"The darkness comes from your own dark memories. Do you think you can erase the past?" -"Face it -- you turn your back on the present and live in the past. Because the light of the present is too much." Note that last line in particular. Cloud is turning his back on his own light, synonomous here with the present and moving forward, and wallows in his darkness, synonomous here lingering in the past -- the same thing he was doing in Advent Children, from which his and Tifa's designs for Kingdom Hearts II were drawn. By an understanding in which Tifa is not the manifestation of Cloud's light, the Kingdom Hearts incarnation of Tifa becomes a bumbling, pathetic woman who looks behind random walls and checks under tables in her search for Cloud when he really just wants her to leave him alone and runs away whenever she draws near. This is invariably the perception of her taken by those of an anti-Tifa positioning. Nevermind that such activity hardly sounds like the behavior of a real person (more like that of an abstract idea made manifest, perhaps?). Ask yourself if Kazushige Nojima and Tetsuya Nomura (respectively, the writer and director of both Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts II) would go to such lengths to craft a ridiculous presentation of Tifa in order to humiliate a character they have otherwise described in positive ways (e.g. emotionally strong, not clingy, etc.). The two notions simply do not jibe. While an anti-Tifa perspective would hold that Tifa's light was unsuitable for Cloud and blinded him when she tried to assist him during his battle with Sephiroth, a more honest analysis would recall that Sephiroth (Cloud's darkness) said that Cloud turned his back on the light within him because "the light of the present is too much." That is, after all, what Cloud's story arc in Kingdom Hearts II is all about: accepting the light within himself. As he sets out on his quest to defeat Sephiroth early in the game, Sora makes the following comment to Aerith: "He'll be fine. I'm sure there's some light in him somewhere." As well, Aerith had told Cloud, "No matter how far away you are...once you find your light...I'm sure it will lead you back here again." Notice that Aerith herself acknowledges that Cloud's light is something separate from herself. Next, recall again these lines of dialogue from Sephiroth: -"Cloud is the one who hungers for Darkness." -"That last bit of light is always the hardest to snuff out." -"The darkness comes from your own dark memories. Do you think you can erase the past?" -"Face it -- you turn your back on the present and live in the past. Because the light of the present is too much." Think, now, of what happens when Cloud closes in on Sephiroth during the Heartless invasion of Radiant Garden. Right after Sephiroth remarks that Cloud turns his back on "the light of the present," Cloud retorts "You don't know me!" only for Tifa to show up and call out to Cloud. As he turns to look at her, he is blinded by a white light tinged with blue, demonstrating exactly what Sephiroth was just describing. Sephiroth then adds, "I know. Because...I am you," his dialogue having summarized precisely the situation we see presented visually in the same scene. Cloud, of course, then takes flight from Tifa in pursuit of Sephiroth, further reinforcing Cloud's preoccupation with darkness and his past in rejection of the present and his own inner light. Cloud finds himself blinded again during his showdown with Sephiroth after the player has defeated Sephiroth in battle. Tifa steps up to take on Sephiroth for Cloud's sake, and as she struggles to land a blow while evading Sephiroth's attacks, Cloud is once again overcome by "the light of the present." Tifa's light (i.e. Cloud's light) is what he needs. He's denying part of himself, "[turning] his back on the present and [living] in the past." It isn't until he steps up to defend Tifa (his manifestation of light) from Sephiroth (his manifestation of darkness) that he faces the present long enough to gain the power to fight Sephiroth, becoming surrounded in a gold aura like the one that surrounded Cloud as he defeated Sephiroth in Advent Children. One may then argue that this then means the gold aura is Cloud's inner light and something different from what Tifa had offered him (the white light tinged with blue). However, Cloud only gains the golden aura after calming himself and finally emanating the same white light tinged with blue that had appeared because of Tifa -- a move that elicits a panicked "Stop!" from Sephiroth and a desperate attack. Were that light not antithetical to Sephiroth, Cloud's darkness, what then prompted such a reaction? The answer is clear to all who wish to see it: Tifa is Cloud's light in the Kingdom Hearts reality. Notice further that at no time is Cloud's evasion of Tifa nor his rejection of "the light of the present" presented to the player as a positive thing. It is, in fact, this very behavior that continues to resurrect Sephiroth. As Sephiroth later observes, "Defeating me is meaningless. You know that more than anyone, Cloud. No matter how many times I fall, your darkness keeps calling me back!" On pg. 718 of the KHII Ultimania, Kazushige Nojima even openly noted the parallel between Cloud's behavior in Kingdom Hearts II and Advent Children, where he was denying himself the comfort of family and looking to the future while languishing in the past: ---- -"This was the first appearance of Tifa from FFVII." Nojima: "As a matter of fact, Tifa wasn't initially planned to show up. As Tetsu and I talked about what Cloud should be doing in Hollow Bastion, we decided that while he's pursuing Sephiroth, Cloud should be pursued by something as well. Although Cloud's really running from something, he claims to be following Sephiroth. So we decided that he's running from 'warm feelings' like what Tifa desired in FFVII AC." ---- Source scans (courtesy of nunuu): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudtifakh_zpse4eac36b.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudtifakh2_zpsd715231f.jpg Japanese text: ---- --『FFVII』からティファが初登場しました。 野島　じつは最初、ティファは出る予定がなかったんです。クラウドは ホロウバスティオンで何をしているのか、という話を哲さんとしていて、クラウドは セフィロスを追いかけているけど、クラウドもまた何かに追われている、という 方向性になって。クラウドは、本当はあるものから逃げているんだけど、自分 ではセフィロスを追っていると称しているわけですね。それで、「『FFVII AC』 でティファが求めているような"温かいもの"から逃げている」という 設定にしました。 ---- Tetsuya Nomura also revealed in an interview in an interview on pg. 724 of the KHII Ultimania that Nojima had originally intended to have this connection openly stated during the game, but that Nomura himself then decided to make the matter slightly more ambiguous so that players might still interpret Tifa as an ordinary human being like the other residents of Hollow Bastion: ---- -"Speaking of Tifa, there's an event after beating Sephiroth where she interacts with Cloud." Nojima: "In Nojima's scenario, the connection between Cloud and Tifa was discussed more concretely, but I chose to erase that. I thought it would be more interesting for players to think about it instead. For example, with the meaning that 'if Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness, then Tifa is his light,' one may take the understanding that Tifa isn't human. It may be because Tifa isn't human that she doesn't talk with anyone but Sora's group. Of course, since she was also presented in a way where she could be seen as a resident of Hollow Bastion like Cid, Aerith and the others, I think one can freely ponder that." ---- Source scans (courtesy of nunuu): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightistifa_zps07ed6cd9.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightistifa2_zps1b0bc27d.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightistifa3_zps3f967693.jpg Japanese text: ---- -ティファと言えば、セフィロスを倒したあとに、クラウドをまじえたイベントが 用意されていますね。野村　あそこに野島さんのシナリオだと、クラウドとティファ の関係がもっと具体的に語られていたんですけど、自分のほうで削除させて もらったんです。遊んだ人 に考えてもら ったほうがおもしろいだろうな、 と思って。たとえば、「クラウドにとっての闇がセフィロスならば、光は ティファである」という意味で、ティファを人間ではない存在としてとらえて もいいんじゃないかと。ティファがソラたち以外の人と会話しないのは、 人間として存在していないからなのかもしれない。もちろん、シドや エアリスたちと 同じようにホロウバスティオンの住人だととらえることも できるような表現になってますから、そのあたりは自由に考えて もらっていいと思います。 ---- No matter Nomura's preference for letting players figure things out on their own, the intent remains clear all the same. Aerith may yet even be Cloud's romantic interest in the universe of Kingdom Hearts, but Tifa is undoubtedly the embodiment of his inner light -- for whatever that's worth. While Nomura has certainly suggested that we may draw commentary upon the FFVII canon from the tales of this alternate universe, what we can take from it is unclear. As being someone's light does not necessarily mean the other person is in love -- particularly when one of the "people" in the equation is actually the embodiment of a facet of the other person -- there is little we can reasonably draw from KH to say about FFVII. Sephiroth's ubiquitous role in both Clouds' lives as a recurring antagonist may have a self-evident meaning for his being KH Cloud's darkness, but any dissertation on what meaning we should take from KH Tifa being KH Cloud's light would unavoidably wax more speculative and subjective than I wish to. Likewise with the ending of the first Kingdom Hearts when Cloud and Aerith are reunited. The meaning to be drawn could literally be anything -- especially in light of the Compilation of FFVII having not yet been planned. The meaning at work could easily range from "In any world, Cloud and Aerith will have a special connection" to "Lovers reunited!" to "Cloud's wish to see Aerith again got fulfilled, even if it's not really them" to "They could only ever see each other again in an alternate universe where death has not come between them." Others may, but this author has no interest in going down any of those roads. In seeking to settle the LTD, we're, thus, forced to rely upon solely the details found in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII materials and their related metatext (developer interviews, etc.). And those, as we've gone over at length, point to a Cloti conclusion. Before finishing this response, one final point that merits making is this: The pervasive claim that there is a theme of lovers being reunited during the ending credits of the first Kingdom Hearts is baseless. Jasmine and Aladdin are the only ones. Furthermore, their scene is on neither side of the moment at Hollow Bastion, so it doesn't even serve to provide that scene with context by bookending it. We do not see Beast with Belle. We do not see Mickey with Minnie. Nor do we see Donald with Daisy, Aurora with Prince Phillip, and neither Cinderella nor Snow White with their princes. Simply put: No such theme exists. == -Claim: The opening video for Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Special (hereafter simply referred to as "Itadaki Street Special") has a significant preoccupation with showing Cloud and Aerith together, while Tifa is never very near either of them -- rarely even in the same frame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg8HJebACCk At the 0:22 mark in the opening video, Cloud and Aerith are seen walking down a street together for a few seconds before they come to a stop as they take notice of the light in the sky that is soon noticed by other characters from the Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy series: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss11.jpg They are seen again at the 00:42 mark, still together as many characters assemble in the town square to observe the event taking place. Tifa, meanwhile, is off by herself on the far left side of the frame: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss12.jpg Furthermore, as the characters assemble here, Squall and Rinoa -- an established, inarguable romantic coupling in the Final Fantasy series -- are seen coming into the frame together as well, presumably having been walking together as Cloud and Aerith were. When next seen at the 0:47 mark, Cloud and Aerith are running toward the glowing castle, she a few steps behind him: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss13.jpg A mere three seconds later, at the 0:50 mark, Cloud is now chasing after Aerith as they make their way into the castle, but stops to clasp hands with the Hero of Dragon Quest V: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss14.jpg When next seen at the 1:01 mark, Aerith is briefly by herself while throwing a die, but she is seen alongside Cloud again a few short seconds later at 1:05, while Tifa is in the tier behind them next to Rikku (Tifa briefly comes into view on the extreme right side of the frame at 1:07, but is clearly visible in this position next to Rikku a moment later at 1:21). Squall and Rinoa, meanwhile, remain next to one another during this entire sequence, just like Cloud and Aerith. Furthermore, the disc art for Itadaki Street Special shows us the same thing -- Rinoa beside of Squall and Aerith beside of Cloud: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialdisc.jpg Tifa, meanwhile, is once again off to the side on her own. While Cloud stands next to both of them in the roster seen on the Character index of the official website for Itadaki Street Special, each on either side of him, on the page of the site specific to FFVII's characters, he stands next to Aerith, with Sephiroth on the other side of him and Tifa then on the other side of Sephiroth: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialcharacters.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialffvii.jpg The parallel being drawn here is quite blatant. Response: When making claims such as this, one must be aware of all the comparisons they're inviting. If a theme involving romantic couples were actually intended by the placement of characters in Itadaki Street Special's opening cinematic and related artwork, it certainly plays a confusing game. Tidus and Yuna from Final Fantasy X are an established pairing that I hope requires no argument to prove -- yet they receive absolutely none of the attention from this purported theme. In fact, they often couldn't be placed further apart. In Tidus's first appearance in the sequence at the 0:37 mark, he isn't by himself, but he isn't with Yuna either: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss15.jpg He's with the Hero of Dragon Quest VII and Terry, the latter depicted here as he was seen in Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland, a prequel to Dragon Quest VI: Land of Illusion. When Tidus is seen next at the 0:42 mark, assembling in the town square with many other characters, Yuna is also present, though the two aren't near one another at all. Tidus is more toward the upper-left of the screen while Yuna is toward the bottom-right -- the distance between them actually approximately as great as that between Tifa and Cloud: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss12.jpg Yuna is next seen at the 0:48 mark running toward the castle with all the others, Tidus nowhere in sight: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss16.jpg He does, however, appear almost immediately thereafter at the 0:49 mark, though Yuna is far in the background as both continue running toward the castle. She doesn't even reach the position he is spotted in for three seconds after he has already ran on ahead: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss18.jpg Yuna can then be seen dancing without Tidus -- again, he is nowhere in sight -- at the 0:53 mark, while Rikku and the Hero of Dragon Quest VII dance in the foreground: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss19.jpg Tidus can then be seen in the center of the room at the 0:59 mark, Yuna nowhere near him. Indeed, she is nowhere in the frame, even as the camera zooms out: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss4.jpg Tidus can then be spotted at the 1:02 mark, making a move on the game board -- again without Yuna anywhere in sight: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss20.jpg It is until 1:05 that we actually see Yuna and Tidus in something that qualifies as close proximity to one another, and even then they are standing on different tiers of the assemblage and are closer to a number of other characters than to each other: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss6.jpg Even when the camera focuses on Yuna as she catches the orb of light at 1:24, Tidus's shoe is still visible on the tier behind her, both of them still closer to others than to one another: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss21.jpg Finally, in the closing shot of the opening sequence at 1:31, Yuna is far in the background while Tidus is all the way in the foreground, slightly obscured by the game logo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss22.jpg Tidus and Yuna aren't even near one another on the game box cover nor the cover of the Itadaki Street Special Perfect Guide: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialcover.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialperfectguide.jpg The only depictions of the two next to each other when in groups of several others come in the roster from the Character index on the official site and on the game's disc art: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialcharacters.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialdisc.jpg In both cases, though, Tidus is next to either Yuna's FFX or FFX-2 incarnation while her alternate depiction is far away from him. FFX-2 Yuna is with Rikku and Paine on the top row of the character roster from the official website. FFX Yuna is in the upper-right of the disc art, just above Auron. Yuna and Tidus are actually seen together in Itadaki Street Special's imagery less than Cloud and Tifa. Even more confusing in terms of this asserted theme regarding romantic couples is that the canon couple from Dragon Quest V: The Heavenly Bride -- Bianca and the Hero of the game -- are seen together even less than Tidus and Yuna, while the Hero is frequently presented alongside Flora, the third point in that game's love triangle. Around the mid-point of DQV's storyline, the player is given the option of having the Hero marry either Bianca, his childhood friend, or Flora, a woman he has just met. The Nintendo DS remake of DQV would later add a third choice to become the Hero's bride, Flora's older sister Debora, but -- as the DS remake would not come out until 2008 while Itadaki Street Special was released in 2004 -- only Flora and Bianca are featured here. One can be sure that Bianca is the Hero's canon wife for a number of reasons, which we will now go over. First, whoever marries the Hero will bear him a son and a daughter, both of whom share their mother's hair color. In other words, if the Hero marries Bianca, his children will be blond. If he marries Flora, they will have blue hair. In all their official artwork, the Hero's son and daughter have blond hair, including in one image that also features Bianca in a wedding dress: (Hero's Son) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 479px-Parry.jpg (Hero's Daughter) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 479px-Madchen.jpg (collage that includes Bianca in a wedding dress) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ Z.jpg Just as telling, all official figurines of the Hero's son and daughter also feature them with blond hair. This includes figures from the Dragon Quest V Character Figure Collection manufactured by Square Enix for release in July 2004 and figures from Volumes 2 and 3 of a franchise-wide set -- the Dragon Quest Character Figure Collection -- released by the company in 2008: (DQV Character Figure Collection) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ T2eC16ZHJGMFFoj9Jn7BRbptfqBcw60_3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 10037475a-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ PA05588004.jpg (Volume 2 of the DQ Character Figure Collection) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 10070201a3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 10070201a4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ KGrHqNiEE6Grcgp8TBOknrUFbQ_3.jpg (Volume 3 of the DQ Character Figure Collection) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ pa1458094.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ T2eC16ZzoE9s5ngM9gBRP0KmE0w60_3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ T2eC16RkE9s4ZlyjBRP0KiwKkQ60_3.jpg Furthermore, out of the many releases of DQV, Flora has only been present once on the back cover of the Japanese DS release's packaging while Bianca has been featured prominently on each front and back cover -- usually with her blond children present as well. Consider the following covers used for the game: (Super Famicom release; front and back covers) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 588292_4536_front.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 588292_4536_back.jpg (Super Famicom release; cartridge) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dq5snes.jpg (PS2 release; front and back covers) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ DQVPS2covers.jpg (DS release Japan; front and back covers) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 5bed52ca5018c190ecb43331a3b6775d.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 8997863cf843cdc9d58a7f6ddda58e44.jpg (DS release North America; front and back covers) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 4401208230_02bf5aa5b8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 942423_117299_back.jpg While the covers alone would not necessarily prove anything, for a game whose subtitle is "The Heavenly Bride," there's quite a preoccupation with displaying one of the player's choices for who becomes the Hero's bride. In the interest of full disclosure, however, be aware that the PS2 version's disc art featured no characters, nor did the included bonus preview disc for Dragon Quest VIII: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ T2eC16dE9s2fDIcfBRo67eJsQ60_3.jpg Added to all that we have already gone over, Dragon Quest creator and writer Yuji Horii has himself said that Bianca is the best choice for a bride, as seen in this interview on pg. 60 of the February 2009 issue of "Nintendo Power" (issue #238): ---- If you were a single man of Dragon Quest V hero's age, which heroine would you choose to marry? Now that's a tough question! Normally, I'd lean towards Bianca, but emotions are a very tricky thing! There's something about Debora's wicked nature that I find appealing, so I would probably go with her. But then my life would become a wreck, and I would regret not choosing Bianca when I had the chance! Life is full of some difficult decisions, isn't it? ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ np_2009_feb_05.jpg Most telling of all, however, are Bianca's cards from Monster Battle Road II Legends, part of the Monster Battle Road series of Dragon Quest spin-off games in Japan's card battler genre of arcade games. Both on her cards and in-game, she is referred to as "the Heavenly Bride, Bianca" in Japanese (天空の花嫁ビアンカ) -- and with the same kanji as "The Heavenly Bride" subtitle in Dragon Quest V: The Heavenly Bride's complete title (ドラゴンクエストV 天空の花嫁) -- while Flora and Debora are referred to on their cards as "the Noble Maiden, Flora" (貴族の娘フローラ) and "the Third Woman, Debora" (第三の女デボラ) respectively: (Bianca) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heavenlybride1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heavenlybride2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heavenlybride3.jpg (Flora) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ noblemaiden1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ noblemaiden2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ noblemaiden3.jpg (Debora) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ thirdwoman1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ thirdwoman2.jpg Not surprisingly, the Hero's son and daughter are also blond in the Monster Battle Road game series, as in these screenshots from Monster Battle Road Victory: (Hero's Son) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 782930-dqmb24.jpg (Hero's Daughter) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 782912-dqmb01.jpg The undeniable canonicity of Bianca and the Hero's marriage established, let's now look at how they are presented in relation to one another in Itadaki Street Special's opening sequence. When the Hero first appears at the 0:33 mark, he is by himself: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss23.jpg Similarly, when Bianca is first seen at 0:42 assembling in the town square with many other characters, the Hero is nowhere in the frame, nor is Bianca particularly close to anyone else in the shot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss12.jpg The only time the two are seen in close proximity to one another is during their mutual next appearance at the 0:47 mark: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss24.jpg Ironically, though, even in this moment, Flora is also right alongside the Hero as he runs up to pass Bianca: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss1.jpg The next of the two to be seen is the Hero at the 0:49 mark, now with neither Flora nor Bianca anywhere in sight. Though the shot does ultimately focus on the Hero, it does so with he and Cloud stopping to clasp hands, presumably in some show of respect: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss18.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss25.jpg Next, Bianca and Cloud can be seen conversing or possibly dancing together behind Rikku and the Hero of Dragon Quest VII at 0:53 -- again, without the Hero anywhere in the shot with her: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss3.jpg Though both Bianca and the Hero can be seen in a following shot beginning at the 0:59 mark, he is positioned more toward the bottom-right of the frame while she is in the upper-right. What's more, Flora is actually extremely close to the Hero, though not interacting with him directly here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss4.jpg At 1:05, the Hero and Bianca are positioned roughly the same distance from one another as at the 0:59 mark, he in the bottom tier of assembled characters, she in the top tier: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss8.jpg They maintain these positions up to the video's final shot, even past Sephiroth and the Dragonlord's arrival -- though it becomes clear at this point that Flora has been right beside the Hero: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss9.jpg In the opening sequence's closing shot at 1:31, Bianca appears once more without the Hero, slightly obscured by the game logo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss22.jpg Referring now back to the game's disc art, we once again find the Hero and Bianca nowhere near one another -- she positioned to the left of the hole at the center of the disc while he is positioned in the far upper-left of the art piece: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialdisc.jpg Ironically, on this occasion, Flora is positioned much closer to Bianca, being slightly above and to the left of her. While the Hero stands at the top of the art adorning the game's box cover, Flora and Bianca positioned on either side of him, looking again at the cover of the Itadaki Street Special Perfect Guide, we find the Hero is once again near neither woman, though Flora is the only one of the two to actually also appear in the image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialcover.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialperfectguide.jpg What, then, are we to make of all this? Is there a parallel to be drawn between Flora and Dragon Quest V's Hero to Squall and Rinoa? Aerith and Cloud? A parallel such that irrefutable declarations that Bianca is the Heavenly Bride and the mother of the Hero's children are rendered null and void due to the positioning of characters in the opening sequence of a real estate video game with cameo appearances of characters from other franchises? Perhaps there is a parallel to be drawn here for the Hero and the Heavenly Bride after all. Let us look further. Based on the moment in Itadaki Street Special's opening sequence where Cloud and the Hero pause to acknowledge one another, it stands to reason that some association is being made between the two. Such an association is reinforced by this wallpaper from the official Itadaki Street Special website that features just the two of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ Wall_DQFFISS_03.jpg Perhaps the association being alluded to is just that they're the central characters in the most popular titles from their respective franchises -- but perhaps it's something more. Despite the player having other options, Dragon Quest V's canon story is that the Hero marries Bianca, his childhood friend. Players of Final Fantasy VII can influence events such that Cloud goes on a date with -- or even has a physically intimate moment accompanying a declaration of romantic love -- his childhood friend, Tifa. Rather akin to the straightforward declarations that Bianca is the Heavenly Bride of Dragon Quest V, there are also declarations that the moment of romantic confession between Tifa and Cloud took place in Final Fantasy VII. Perhaps then this wallpaper -- also from the official website -- featuring only a handful of characters is meant to convey a similar commentary about Cloud and the Hero of DQV. Cloud next to Tifa, Aerith absent, the Hero next to Bianca -- perhaps we are to see the two men as two heroes who not only starred in their respective franchise's most popular offerings, but also ended up with their childhood friends: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ Wall_DQFFISS_01.jpg Cloud is, after all, slightly closer to Tifa than Aerith on the game's box art, arguably the first and most frequent image related to the game that players will see: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ itadakistreetspecialcover.jpg Perhaps there's a meaning to be found there. Perhaps there's also something to be made of Cloud being seen dancing with both Bianca and Tifa during the course of the game's opening cinematic -- Bianca at 0:53 and Tifa in a shot beginning at the 0:59 mark: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ iss4.jpg While Cloud dances with Tifa in the bottom-left of the frame there, Aerith is at a notable distance from them apparently conversing with the Prince of Lorasia, theHero of Dragon Quest II. Or perhaps not. None of this is necessarily the intention behind the arrangement of characters in any of Itadaki Street Special's imagery, but one should certainly be aware of the comparisons they invite when they begin drawing conclusions of significance from such things as the disc art of an absurd "Monopoly"-style video game unrelated to the continuity of any actual narrative. Such cameos as this are the absolute last place one should look for illumination. == -Claim: In the March 9, 2013, issue of Famitsu Mobage (issue #14), serial numbers were provided to the first in a series of themed FFVII summon character cards being released for Final Fantasy Brigade/Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade. This first card featured Cloud in the traditional garb of the Japanese emperor, albeit with the Buster Sword rather than a shaku (a scepter traditionally held by Japanese nobility in formal situations): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ emperorcloud.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ famitsumobagevol14.jpg Matching Cloud's theme, another serial number was provided on March 14, this time for Aerith in the traditional garb of the Japanese empress: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ empandemp.jpg In the weeks to follow, there would also be matching themed outfits for Tifa and Zack, this time in Japanese school uniforms: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffbrigadestuff.jpg The release of these themed outfits coincided closely with the Japanese holiday Hinamatsuri on March 3 and the beginning of the Japanese school year in April. What's more, Hinamatsuri doll sets based on media like anime typically pair up romantic couples as the emperor and empress -- e.g. Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Kamen from "Sailor Moon," Konata and Kagami from "Lucky Star," and Kitty-chan and Dear Daniel from the "Hello Kitty" franchise: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hinamatsurism.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hinamatsurils2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ hinamatsurihk.jpg That's without even looking at this official cellphone wallpaper of Tidus and Yuna as the emperor and empress, released through Kingdom Hearts Mobile's Point Art Gallery in recognition of Hinamatsuri in February 2011: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ tunahina.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20110504001007/http:// blog.jp.square-enix.com/kingdom/2011/02/post-9.html Being that the emperor and empress are married, this is as profound and straightforward as any statement from Square Enix has ever been. Along similar lines, only three short months earlier, Square Enix opened its Artnia cafe next to their headquarters in Tokyo's Shinjuku ward. Among the desserts on their menu are a strawberry parfait themed around Aerith and a chocolate parfait themed around Cloud -- complete with Aerith's ribbon atop her ice cream and a chocolate Buster Sword atop Cloud's: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ menudesserts.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ desserts.jpg They are the only two Final Fantasy party members to have their own such desserts. Added to all this, as a pre-order promotion for Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, a Cloud garb was unveiled for Lightning in July followed by one of Aerith in September: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cloudaerithgarbs.jpg Square Enix knows exactly what tree they're barking up with all of this, particularly in releasing all of it within a year of each other. Response: While it's not stretching things too much to see the Cloud and Aerith Hinamatsuri set as a nod to the Clerith pairing like the Tactics cameos and FFIX references, it's not a silver bullet by any stretch of the imagination. Do the Zack and Tifa cards constitute a set? Sure. Do they imply a romantic coupling? Certainly not. Likewise Aerith and Tifa's matching bikini set from the first eleven days of August of the same year may not necessarily be intended to imply any romantic association simply because the two are featured together in a matching set: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aertiset1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aertiset2.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aertiset3.png Furthermore, if Cloud and Aerith's being featured together in this way is meant to convey a romantic association to players, what then do we make of a summon character card for Zack being accompanied in an event the last week of the same August by an ability card featuring Aerith performing her Fury Brand Limit Break?: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadezack.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeaerith.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadezerithset.jpg The same question then applies for a set from the previous week's event, featuring a summon card of Cecil as a Dark Knight and an ability card of Rydia casting Radiant Breath/summoning Mist Dragon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadececil.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigaderydia.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadecedia.jpg The question comes up again for Terra and Setzer, both of whom had summon cards featured in an event from April 12 to April 16: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeterra.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadesetzer.jpg Twice the question comes up for sets involving Yuna summon cards, once from an event early in February of 2013 that included an ability card featuring Auron performing his Overdrive Banishing Blade, and a second time during an event from the first two weeks of July 2013 in which an ability card featured Jecht performing Ultimate Jecht Shot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeyuna.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeauron.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeyunon.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeyuna2.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadejecht.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeyecht.jpg Certainly she has a special relationship with both, and the coupling of these cards may reflect that, but she doesn't have a romantic relationship with either. The uncertainty especially comes up when one takes into account one of the earliest promotional sets released for the game, released -- like the Hinamatsuri and school days sets -- via serial numbers in the April 26, 2012, issue of Famitsu Mobage and May 17, 2012, issue of Weekly Famitsu. The former included a code for a Tifa summon card featuring her perform her Meteor Strike Limit Break and an ability card featuring Cloud performing his Cross Slash Limit Break. Meanwhile, the latter included a code for a Cloud summon card, also featuring him perform Cross Slash. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeclotiset1.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeclotiset2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeclotiset3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeclotiset4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadeclotiset5.jpg What is this supposed to mean if the Hinamatsuri set should be taken as indication of Square's position on Cloud and Aerith? Particularly when considering that this Cloud and Tifa set was released almost an entire year before the Hinamatsuri set came along, was the first set of its kind to be released, and didn't feature Cloud alongside either his game's secondary main protagonist nor even its primary antagonist, does the deliberate selection of Tifa to feature alongside Cloud not then seem particularly noteworthy if viewing everything through a romantic lens? From here, establishing any romantic links whatsoever gets only more unlikely. This is most apparent with regard to three summon sets released via capsule dispensers in August 2012 -- one featuring Lightning, Noel and Caius; a second featuring Terra, Locke and Kefka; and a third featuring Ashe, Seifer and Vivi: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ brigadesets.jpg While Hinamatsuri sets based on anime and other media do, in fact, typically pair up romantic couples as the emperor and empress, it would make as much sense in this case for FFVII's main hero and heroine to have been selected for the main roles from the doll set simply on the basis of their roles in FFVII. As hitoshura once put it: ---- Airborne Brigade is a little spin-off game, and the emperor and empress cards are a reference to Hinamatsuri, a cultural event that happened when they released them. Just like pairing Zack and Tifa as school kids was a reference to the start of the new school year. School romances are a common cliche -- hundreds and thousands of shoujo manga books on this theme must fill the shelves of Japanese book stores. All the TV dramas and movies, all the novels. You'd have to be in denial to not admit that. What significance (beyond FFVII being popular) does pairing Tifa and Zack have? What is SE trying to say with that choice? That they're just side characters relegated to getting the scrap roles not fit for emperors and empresses? ---- This author is probably more willing than most to accept the emperor and empress cards as a subtle nod to the potential romance Cloud and Aerith could have had. However, I am simply unable to buy that "this is how Square sees them" was the primary intention when the announcement and release of the Hinamatsuri holiday specials were accompanied by the school uniform Tifa and Zack specials in reference to the start of the school year. If "this is how Square sees them" applies to one set, then what are they saying about the other? To make the first into some definitive romantic statement requires either applying an inconsistent logic where the other set is concerned or ignoring it outright -- neither of which makes for a sound approach. The only consistent logic you can bring to the whole thing is that the main characters of FFVII got the emperor and empress roles while the secondary characters were relegated the less notable appearance. This same reasoning would apply to the Cloud and Aerith ice cream at the Artnia cafe. They are two of the most popular and recognizable characters in Square Enix's catalogue, and the main characters of their game -- itself the most successful and popular Final Fantasy title. In general, FFVII dominates the decor and offerings at Artnia. While they offer alcoholic beverages based on the ubiquitous Shiva, Ifrit, Phoenix and Titan summons, they also have drinks based on the rather game-specific red and blue materia: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ menudrinks.jpg It's not as though Tifa is ignored at the cafe. Some of the establishment's napkins feature the Seventh Heaven logo, as does one of the chocolates from one of three sets wherein FFVII again dominates the aesthetic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ napkins.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ chocolates1.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ chocolates2.png Even most of the coasters not based on FF mascots (e.g. chocobos and moogles) are based on FFVII. Likewise with the menu's pancakes: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ coasters.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ menupancakes.jpg The matter is simply that -- as with the Hinamatsuri promotion for Airborne Brigade -- the main characters of FFVII (the dominant title at the cafe) got the more notable presentations. With respect to the Lightning Returns garbs, there are a number of explanations for Cloud and Aerith's selection beyond SE trying to be cute and make romantic references via Lightning (by herself) wearing the clothing of characters from other games. In the first place, Cloud and Aerith are not the only characters whose outfits Lightning is receiving, nor were they announced together. After teasing the possibility of Lightning getting a Cloud outfit back in January, Yuna's Summoner garb from Final Fantasy X was revealed in June, then Cloud's SOLDIER 1st Class uniform in July< /a>, the female Miqo'te outfit from FFXIV: A Realm Reborn later the same month, and then Aerith's outfit in September: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108071836/ http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/12609.html http://web.archive.org/web/20131108073453/ http://www.finalfantasy.net/x/kitase-toriyama-talk- lightning-returns/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ yunalightning.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20131108073649/ http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/02/lightning-returns-to- final-fantasy-7-with-cloud-based-pre-order/ http://web.archive.org/web/20131108073832/ http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/17/a-closer-look-at- the-miqote-costume-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ skimpyclotheslightning.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/20131108074017/ http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/21/lightning-returns- final-fantasy-xiii-gets-an-aerith-costume-from-final-fantasy-vii/ Secondly, most, if not all, of this has been for promotional purposes as part of the Final Fantasy Go There campaign. Yuna, who -- like Cloud and Aerith -- is a main character from her game, has the FFX|FFX-2 HD Remaster coming out soon. FFXIV: A Realm Reborn had just been released, and itself is receiving DLC in which Lightning appears and her original outfit from FFXIII is available for players to place on their own characters. Lightning Returns is, of course, an upcoming release. Not only that, but players of A Realm Reborn will also have the opportunity to receive Snow's outfit from FFXIII: https://web.archive.org/web/20140219191711/http://www.crunchyroll.com/ anime-news/2013/09/26-1/video-lightning-returns-crosses-over-with-final- fantasy-xiv-arr It stands to reason that Snow and Lightning were selected together not because of any romance between them (there is none), but because they are the two primary main characters of FFXIII, as Cloud and Aerith are in their game. That only leaves FFVII to be explained. Not that it is difficult to. FFVII has always been Square's go-to source for promotional content, even as far back as 1997 when Cloud was included as a controllable unit in Final Fantasy Tactics. Next up in need of consideration, at the design stage, Lightning was conceived with the idea in mind that she be "someone like a female version of Cloud," per FFXIII director Motomu Toryiama's request: ---- EGM: What can you tell us about the heroine of FFXIII? Motomu Toriyama: We can't tell you all the details, unfortunately. Looking at the history of the FF series, there were already female main characters, like in FFVI, FFX, and FFX-2. This time, one of the characteristics of this heroine is that she's not that feminine. I tried to make her someone very strong, independent. When I asked Mr. Nomura to design this character, I requested someone like a female version of Cloud from FFVII. ---- Source: http://www.1up.com/news/ffxiii-interview Rather fitting, then, that she would receive his outfit in Lightning Returns. Lastly, Lightning's Japanese voice actor, Maaya Sakamoto, also voices Aerith -- as well as Diva from Final Fantasy Type-0 and Aya Brea in Parasite Eve: The 3rd Birthday. That alone provides sound reason for Aerith's outfit to be made available for Lightning, as with the case of The 3rd Birthday's cross-promotion with Dissidia 012, in which Aya Brea's outfit is an alternate costume for Lightning, while Lightning's outfit from FFXIII was an alternate for Aya in The 3rd Birthday: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ayalightning.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ lightningaya.png Bringing this assessment back round to the Hinamatsuri set from Airborne Brigade and wallpaper from Kingdom Hearts Mobile, if we're looking at how these games have represented the Final Fantasy VII cast for holiday promotions, we simply can't overlook these other Kingdom Hearts Mobile wallpapers (first and third image) and mobile phone texting stationary (second): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ clotivalentine.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ clotichristmastree.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ clotichristmas.jpg Featuring Cloud accepting a box of Valentine's Day chocolate from Tifa, the two decorating a Christmas tree together and the two of them looking at Christmas lights while Cloud affectionately places his hand on her shoulder, these images are infinitely more romantic. Unlike Hinamatsuri, these are actually romantic holidays for young couples in Japan -- the two most romantic holidays, in fact. While western traditions don't see Christmas Eve as such, for young adults in Japan, Christmas Eve is comparable to western views of Valentine's Day, as explained in this Wall Street Journal article: ---- Akino Koshiba's vision of a perfect Christmas begins with lingerie shopping and a visit to a beauty salon, the way she would prepare for any special date. On Christmas Eve, a Tom Cruise look-alike picks her up in his BMW, and they drive to a fancy French restaurant. He gives her a gift that shows how well he knows her taste. "If it weren't for Christmas, I'm not sure if I'd go out of my way to find boyfriends," Ms. Koshiba said. While many Americans dream of a white Christmas, Japanese dream of romance. In Japan, where Christmas is often a workday, the holiday morphed over the years into a kind of Valentine's Day for young couples. "Everywhere you go, you are constantly reminded that you don't have a girlfriend," said Tomohito Shimazu, a 20-year-old university student. He and his single male friends plan to get together for drinks on Christmas Eve, but one recently dropped out, confessing he met a woman. "We call him a traitor," Mr. Shimazu said. ---- Web source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140124183156/ http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/ SB10001424127887324731304578189492467803034 Even the comments made by these young people sound like the comments made by young people in western countries regarding Valentine's Day. As for Valentine's Day itself, that's done a little differently as well. While a western man may be expected to go to some special effort in putting together a romantic evening for he and his girlfriend, in Japan, Valentine's Day is a day in which women and girls give special chocolates to the men and boys they're interested in -- husbands, boyfriends and prospective boyfriends. There are actually two types of chocolate they give: giri choco (義理チョコ) and honmei choco (本命チョコ). The former, whose name literally means "obligation chocolate," is given to male friends, male coworkers or other men whom a woman may feel bad about not giving something to. Honmei choco, meaning "true feeling chocolate," is given to a male whom the female has genuine romantic feelings for. As noted by tumblr user, passinglurker: ---- In Japan (as shown in shoujo manga/anime/games), besides the tradition that girls are the ones to give chocolates on Valentine's, there are also two types of Valentine's chocolates they can give -- "honmei choco" and "giri choco." "Honmei choco" is basically homemade chocolate, given to a person one has romantic feelings for. "Giri choco" is known as "obligation chocolate," which is a type of chocolate given to friends and people they are obligated to give chocolate to (like a mentor or a person who helped them in the past). Now here's the kicker. Accepting "honmei choco" is equivalent to accepting the other's feelings and also reciprocating them. There is a reason why a lot of "popular" male characters in shoujo manga refuse to accept honmei choco from girls they are not interested in -- accepting them means going out with them, as in, as boyfriend and girlfriend. This is also why, to a lot of girls, giving this is equivalent to confessing, and having them not be accepted means rejection. Honmei choco is a big deal. Now, what is Cloud doing in this picture? He is accepting Tifa's chocolate. And it's obvious that it's honmei choco because it is heart shaped (seriously, Google honmei choco and that's the first thing you see). You can't give heart-shaped giri choco, because that's mixed signals. It's also obvious that he's reaching out to it, because he is. And don't forget all those hearts surrounding them. Put two and two together, and what do we get? "Confirmation of mutual feelings," maybe? Words aren't the only way, indeed. ---- Web source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140213001741/ http://worldofcloti.tumblr.com/post/74176473954/ passinglurker-danseru-kun-coffeevanilla Finally, that leaves us with one other KH Mobile wallpaper depicting a romantic situation between Cloud and Tifa. In this wallpaper, the two can be seen holding hands at King Mickey and Queen Minnie's wedding: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ holdinghands.jpg If there is any doubt that these images are official, by the way, that can be confirmed despite the KH Mobile service being discontinued since April 30, 2012. This February 24, 2012, tweet by Japanese Twitter user nekoswitch refers to the Valentine's Day wallpaper (バレンタイン is "Valentine" or "Valentine's"; クラティ is "Kurati" -- or "Cloti," as it's written in Japanese): https://twitter.com/nekoswitch/status/173235752170299393 Likewise, a number of message board postings on this Japanese webpage refer to the Valentine's Day wallpaper, both Christmas images and the wedding of Mickey and Minnie wallpaper: https://web.archive.org/web/20140212222146/ http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/ 7778/1272282878/369- クリスマス is “Christmas.” クラティサンタコスのデコメ is “Cloti Santa costume decome,” with “decome” (デコメ) being short for “decomeeru” (デコメール), or“decoration mail” -- cellphone-based stationary users can add their own text to. Lastly, 結婚式 is “wedding.” This post in particular mentions all of these event-related images: ---- Cloti appears in KH Mobile whenever there is a seasonal event, such as Xmas, Valentine’s or the wedding. ---- Japanese text: ---- KHモバイルってXmasやバレンタイン、結婚式とか、季節の行事あるたびに クラティ出してくれるよね ---- Web source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140212224641/ http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/7778/ 1272282878/800 Now, is all this to say that we have an "end to the LTD" via these images alone and that they supercede all else, including material actually canon to the Compilation of FFVII itself? No, but it is to say that -- as with the Itadaki Street cameos -- one should be mindful of the comparisons they invite when we seek to base our analyses upon them. As with so much else that we have examined in this analysis, if you have to look so far beyond the primary sources (i.e., the Compilation of FFVII) and immediate secondary sources (e.g., Ultimanias and developer interviews) to verify an idea about the characters, chances are high that you're simply doing it wrong. ==== "Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise" [5.2357In] Just as the anti-Tifa worldview subscribes to a number of misconceptions, it is easy enough for those who recognize the Cloti relationship as canon to succumb to fallacy as well. Here follows the greatest of these misunderstandings, as well as why they neither promote a Cloti outcome nor necessarily downplay Clerith potential. ---- -Claim: Aerith never really moved on from loving Zack in the first place, and her affection for Cloud was born of her love for Zack. This is confirmed by Aerith's CollectaCard from Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: "The Promised Land... A fateful encounter sets in motion the pendulum of fate. As Aerith searches for the traces of Zack living on in Cloud, the innocent love in her heart will make her destiny's plaything..." Along those same lines, Aerith's profile on pg. 197 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide says that she was only interested in Cloud because he reminded her of Zack: ---- First love Zack Aerith's first love was Zack, a young SOLDIER 1st Class who she lost contact with 5 years ago. He was Cloud's best friend, and his personality has had a great influence on Cloud's behavior. Aerith is unaware that the two were best friends, and takes an interest in Cloud because she sees Zack in him. [Screenshot caption] Although Zack is already deceased since the beginning of the story, Aerith is unaware of this fact. ---- Source scan (courtesy of Celes and Balthea of TheLifestream.net): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ interestedincloud_zps411ad062.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?初恋の相手ザックス エアリスの初恋の相手は、５年前に消息を絶ったソルジャー・クラス1stの 青年ザックスだ。彼はクラウドの親友でもあり、クラウドの行動に大きな 影響を与えた人物。エアリスはふたりが親友同士ということは知らな かったが、クラウドのしぐさのなかにザックスを見いだし、クラウドに興味を抱く。 [Screenshot caption] 物語の開始時点においてザックスはすでに故人なのだが、エアリスはその 事実を知らない。 ---- In Aerith's profile on pg. 27 of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2, we find more of the same: ---- "I'm searching for you. I want to meet...you." ?Gold Saucer: Said to Cloud during their date She initially sees in Cloud vestiges of her first love Zack, but after spending time with him, she perceives the true personality sleeping in the depths of his heart. She says to him these meaningful words in the hopes of provoking an awareness of it in him. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 13ckC_zpsf3d11868.jpeg Japanese text: ---- ?「わたし、あなたをさがしてる。 あなたに……会いたい」 ――ゴールドソーサー：デート中にクラウドに向かって 初恋の人ザックスの面影を見てクラウドに惹かれるが、ともに時間を過ごすなか、 クラウドの本当の人格が奥底に眠っていることを察知。彼にその自覚をうなが すように、意味深な言葉を告げる。 ---- Even Maiden Who Travels the Planet demonstrates that the things she thought she knew about Cloud were only traits that had belonged to Zack: (pg. 587 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- "How can I help Cloud? And what about Meteor? I didn't think Holy would be hindered. If things stay like this, the planet will become as Sephiroth desires ... What can I do about all this? Tell me, Cloud ..." Aerith wept for Cloud's broken mind, her prayers in vain. It seemed already too late to restore the ruins of his persona. If he wasn't Cloud to begin with, who was he then? Knowing him only as a former SOLDIER, she had no means to so much as guess. Despair beyond words gripped her. "Cloud ... I want to meet you. The real you ..." A murmur, the thought became a ripple that spread through the mako. Memories of her time with Cloud, which had faded, suddenly resurfaced in her mind. Although he acted unsociable, he had some cheerful behavior that stuck with her. "He gave off a mixed-up impression, but was it all fake; just part of his false personality? ... No, that can't be the case. There were thoughts he couldn't have had unless he were Cloud. Things he could do because he was Cloud. He wasn't an empty shell from the beginning!" However, she couldn't determine the reality. And so, her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith traced her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud's habits. The way he walked. She went over each of his actions one by one ... A consciousness that had already dissolved into the sea of mako awoke. Responding as though summoned by the image she traced with her memory, "he" wakes up. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ff7uo587_zps98f69e06.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 587-1_zpsa9c02c07.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/ Squall_of_Seed/587-2_zps2da6c92b.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「どうしたらクラウドを助けられる？それに、メテオのことも。ホーリーが 邪魔されているなんて、思わなかった。このままだと、星はセフィロスの思い通り になっちゃう……わたしにできること、何だろう？教えてよ、クラウド……」 祈りも虚しく、崩壊してしまったクラウドの心に、エアリスは涙した。人格の 残骸は、もはや修復しようがないように思える。そもそも、彼がクラウドでは ないとすれば本当は誰なのか？元ソルジャーのクラウドとしてしか彼を知らない エアリスには、それを推測する手段さえない。言いようない無力感が彼女を 包んでいる。 「クラウド……あなたに会いたい。本当の、あなたに……」 つぶやきが、想いが波紋になって魔晄に広がっていく。 脳裏に蘇るのは、今は消えてしまったクラウドと過ごした記憶。無愛想を 装っているのに、どこか陽気な仕草が印象的だった。 「ちぐはぐな感じはしたけど、それが全部作り物の、偽の人格だなんてこと あるかしあら？クラウドには何の真実もなかった？……ううん、そんなわけ、 ないよ。クラウドにしか考えつかないことだってあった。クラウドだからできたこと、 あった。最初から空っぽの人間なんて、いない！」 しかし、彼女では真実に届かない。そこで思考は堂々巡りになる。エアリスは 再び記憶を辿る。クラウドのくせを思い出す。歩き方を。 動作の、ひとつひとつを--。 その思念が、もう魔晄の海にほとんど融けきっていた、ひとりの人格を呼び 覚ます。エアリスが思い描いたイメージを、自分を呼んだものと認識して "彼"は目覚める。 ---- Response: Whatever the reasons for Aerith initially taking an interest in Cloud -- which is all those quotes actually speak to -- she loved him and even wished to get to know him for who he really was once she realized she had been chasing a ghost. Furthermore, numerous quotes, including several that we have gone over that also identify Tifa's love for Cloud, explicitly state that Aerith loved him. As long as we're quoting Maiden, by the way, let's not forget that it also states that Aerith came to love Cloud more than she had loved Zack: (pg. 578 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- When her thoughts turned to Cloud, Aerith hurt deeply. She had been carrying love for him. Initially, she thought he had similarities to her first love. Although they didn't share faces, voices or disposition, his behavior and mannerisms made her wonder about this mysterious person -- but that was alright almost immediately anyway. Because she had come to love him more than her first love. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 578-1_zps53119c88.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 578-2_zps9c22ee79.jpg Japanese text: ---- よりわけクラウドに思いを巡らすと、エアリスはとてもつらくなった。 彼女が好意を抱いていたということもある。最初は、初めて好きになった人に 何となく似ていると思っていた。顔も声音も性格も何ひとつ似てはいないのに、 不思議とその人を思い起こさせる仕草やクセ――でも、それはすぐにどうでも良く なった。なぜなら、初恋の人よりもずっと好きになっていたから。 ---- One of Benny Matsuyama's earlier writings from pg. 159 of the Kaitai Shinsho The Complete featured Aerith saying the same sort of thing: ---- [Aerith: While staring at the ruined mako reactor] This village is Zack's hometown, and I'm a bit shocked. Though I call him my first love, that doesn't mean we were particularly intimate. I met him while selling flowers in Midgar, and things were pretty good -- or I thought so anyway. A childish SOLDIER who was kind to everyone, especially if they were a girl. Meeting Zack, it became clear to me for the first time that there could be good people even in Shin-Ra. So, after he left on a mission five years ago and I didn't see him again, I cried a lot. Yeah, I call him my first love. Seeing me like that, my mom got angry with Zack. He was bad news. When I first met Cloud, I thought he was similar to Zack. Little gestures and expressions ... and a certain gentleness too. But Cloud is Cloud. I certainly love Cloud more than Zack now. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_SeeD/ IMG_20130420_131145_148_zps3398cf3a.jpg Japanese text: ---- ［エアリス：壊れた魔晄炉をながめながら］ この村がザックスの生まれ故郷だったなんて、ちょっとだけ、驚いたな。 私の、初恋の人……って言っても、とくに親しくなったわけじゃなかった。ミッドガルで 花売りをしてるときに出会って、ちょっといいなって、そう思っただけ。 人なつっこくて、女の子には誰にだって優しくしてくれる、子供っぽいソルジャー。 ザックスに出会って、神羅にもいい人がいるんだって、思えるようになった。 だから5年前、ザックスがどこかに任務で出かけるって言ったきり姿を見せなく なったとき、ずいぶん泣いたっけ。 ああ、これが初恋って言うんだって。 そんな 私を見て、お母さんはザックスを怒ってたな。彼に、 悪いことしちゃった。 クラウドにはじめて会ったとき、ザックスに似てるなって思った。ちょっとした 仕草や、言葉づかいまで……優しいところも。でも、クラウドはクラウドだよね。私、 今はきっ と、ザックスよりもずっとクラウドのことが好きになってる。でもクラウド、 にぶいからなあ。 ---- For more explicit proof of Aerith's love for Cloud, see the next "Claim" header. == -Claim: Much is made among pro-Clerith fans of the following line in Case of the Lifestream White: ---- Cloud was the woman's friend, her koibito -- a symbol of what was to be protected, and someone important to her. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ herkoibito_zps8d611dee.jpg Japanese text: ---- クラウドは女の友人であり、恋人であり??大 切なものの象徴であり、 守るべき存在だった。 ---- Given that "koibito" is typically used in cases where the feelings between parties are mutual, this is taken to mean that the feelings of Cloud and "the woman" (Aerith) are mutual. What needs to be considered here, however, is that all the On the Way to a Smile stories are written in what's known as the third-person limited narrative mode. The term refers to a written perspective in which the reader is limited only to the thoughts and knowledge of a chosen character, as in the first-person narrative mode, yet while still using pronouns such as "he," "she" and "they," but not "I." The narrator reveals the chosen character's thoughts, but is not the character themselves, nor are they the voice of the writer. As an example, consider the following line about Sephiroth from Case of the Lifestream Black: (translation by hitoshura) ---- The planet was to be his to rule, and to become a part of that system would be nothing short of defeat. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ historule_zpscb38806f.jpg Japanese text: ---- ?星は支配するものであって、そのシステムに貢献することなど、敗北以外の 何ものでもない。 ---- Clearly, the narrator is not stating that it is a fact that the planet would be Sephiroth's to rule; this is merely what Sephiroth believes. Written in like manner, the reference to Cloud as Aerith's koibito may well be reflecting only her love for him while saying nothing of Cloud's feelings for her. Being written in past tense as it is, it may even be that Aerith no longer feels for Cloud precisely what she felt while she was alive. For that matter, being described as "a symbol of what was to be protected," Aerith's feelings may not even be literally ascribing that role to Cloud in her thoughts. Of the two "koibito" quotes that often come up in the LTD (the other being Nomura's reference to Tifa as someone's koibito on pg. 19 of the Reunion Files), if one had to be a one-sided love, it only makes sense for it to be this one. At any rate, Cloud and Aerith never had an opportunity to establish a romantic relationship before she was killed. If she truly believed that to be the case, she would be somewhat delusional -- and no one who appreciates the character would venture down the path of claiming that. No matter what choices the player makes during the game, an established relationship between she and Cloud is never a possible outcome. Furthermore, a caption to a screenshot from the Gold Saucer date in Cloud's FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile (pg. 37; pg. 39 of the Revised Edition) states that he was unaware of the feelings either woman had for him: (translation from TheLifestream.net) ---- Both Aerith, who is forthright, and Tifa, who is demure, have feelings for Cloud, but he is none the wiser to them. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ U10pg3739_zpsab2772b2.jpg Japanese text: ---- 積極的なエアリスとひかえめなティファ。ふたりの心にクラウドはなかなか気づかない。 ---- Seeing as the accompanying screenshot is from the date at the Gold Saucer, it stands to reason that Cloud was unaware of either woman's feelings for him at that point -- and it was not long thereafter that Aerith died. Some pro-Clerith positions would argue, however, that an established relationship can be taken from Cloud telling Aerith "But, I'm...... we're here for you, right?" at Cosmo Canyon during her moment of loneliness, this sort of dialogue often being used when one character slips up about their romantic feelings for another. While that is often the case with such dialogue, and most likely is here as well, Aerith did not seem to catch that it indicated Cloud had feelings for her, nor does she ever comment on it. Further still, even when Cloud and Aerith get off the gondola after their ride at Round Square together during the Gold Saucer date, Aerith is still unsure whether Cloud feels the same about her; she asks him "You don't like being with me?" What's more, even if Cloud became aware of Aerith's feelings at the Temple of the Ancients when she asked Cait Sith to divine their compatability with each other, he doesn't have opportunity to comment on it before Sephiroth forces him to beat her, resulting in her leaving the group soon after -- only shortly before she is murdered. There simply was not time for Cloud and Aerith to become an established item, no matter what their feelings were. Response: A short-sighted conclusion with some dubious reasoning that this author has himself argued at times in the past. Not all the reasoning is unsound, mind you -- it certainly is true that, regardless of what Cloud and Aerith may have felt for one another, they never had the opportunity to openly express it. It's also true that Cloud probably never knew how Aerith felt about him while she was still alive. It's even true that all the On the Way to a Smile stories are written in the third-person limited perspective and that the statement that Cloud *was* the woman's koibito is rendered in the past tense. However, all the On the Way to a Smile stories are written entirely in the past tense, so that's hardly relevant. Furthermore, it makes little sense for Cloud to merely be a symbol of her koibito when he actually was her friend, another role ascribed to him in that same passage. Most significantly, the fact that Cloud and Aerith never became an established pair may not necessarily preclude them from being described with "koibito." So long as the feelings were there and were mutual, it's not out of the question that they could be described in such a way. And, certainly, the feelings were there. Aerith's love for Cloud is well-established by this point, and Cloud's romantic feelings for her require little more proof than this statement from Yoshinori Kitase on pg. 11 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania: ---- Having 2 heroines, Aerith and Tifa, and having the hero waver between them, that was something new. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_SeeD 2heroines.jpg Japanese text: ---- エアリスとティファというふたりのヒロインがいて、主人公がそのあいだで揺れ 動くという設定も、当時としては新しかった。 ---- Cloud wouldn't be wavering between the two women if he didn't have romantic feelings for both. As simple as that. Perhaps even more simply put, this Memorial Scenes passage from Marlene's profile on pg. 63 of the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2 shows that Cloud had a mutual interest in Aerith as early as of the time she was kidnapped by the Turks: ---- Marlene is a sharp girl Even though she's only 4 years old, Marlene is perceptive and well attuned to the woman mind. This grownup behavior is demonstrated in the scene where she ascertains that Aerith has favor for Cloud and tells him so, then says "I won't tell Tifa!" ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_SeeD/ AEAtKLU_zps918cd73b.jpg Japanese text: ---- マリンはおませんな女の子 まだ4歳なのに、マリンはおしゃまで女心に敏感。エアリスがクラウドに好意を 持っていることを見抜いて彼に報告し、「ティファには内緒にしておく」と 一人前に気をまわすひと幕も。 ---- Cloud's canon response to Marlene telling him "I bet she likes you, Cloud!" is "Let's hope so." Marlene only tells Cloud "I won't tell Tifa!" when that is his response. Further, a third official quote exists alluding to Cloud's romantic feelings for Aerith. Consider: When Kazushige Nojima talked about Cloud and Tifa's relationship as it was portrayed in Case of Tifa, he also ruminated on how things might have gone with Aerith had Cloud ended up with her instead. There would be no need to do that if it was never even a possibility. If in need of a fresh reminder of those comments, see below: ---- "Case of Tifa ... first, there's the premise that things aren't going well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma and Sephiroth, it would still be the same. I don't mean to get into my views on romantic love, marriage and family. (laughs) After ACC, maybe Denzel and Marlene can get them to. Perhaps things would have gone well with Aerith, but Aerith's responsibility is big, I think. Oh, I remember. I also wanted to write about Cloud through Tifa. It certainly can be difficult to ascertain his feelings. (laughs)" ---- Source screenshots: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/magazine/gamebooks/ff/7novel/2p.html http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Nojima.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/Nojima2.png Japanese text: ---- 「ティファ編」「バレット編」はいかがでしょう？　ティファ、バレットそして クラウドもですが、まさに贖罪の物語という意味がありそうですが。 「ティファ編」は……そもそも、ティファとクラウドはうまく行かないんじゃ ないかという前提がありまして、これは星痕やらセフィロスが無くても 同じではないか、と。僕の恋愛観とか結婚観、家族観について 語るつもりはありませんが(笑)。ACCの後、デンゼルとマリンが なんとかしてくれればいいですけど。エアリスとだったらうまく行ったか もしれませんが、エアリスの負担が大きいだろうなとも思います。ああ、 思い出しました。ティファを通じてクラウドという人を書きた かったというのがありました。ただやっぱり彼はなかなか本心を 見せてくれませんね(笑)。 ---- One of the only remaining points under the "Claim" heading above that really merits being made is that if one of the two "koibito" quotes involved in the Love Triangle Debate *had to be* meant in a one-sided context, it would make more sense for it to be the one written in elegant prose and based on one character's point of view. An extra-textual statement made by a developer describing a character's roles would not be the first place to go to look for that sort of misleading irony. That being said, even if a romantic relationship wasn't established between Cloud and Aerith, she has never been delusional, nor would Nojima write her that way. There must exist a legitimate basis for her to think of Cloud as her koibito -- thus, she and Cloud having mutual romantic interest must be enough to merit the use of the word. In that sense, Clerith is every bit as much canon as Cloti. For what it's worth, even without the metatext provided by Ultimanias and interviews, it's quite simple to make a case for Cloud having romantic feelings for Aerith. It isn't possible to argue that he has such feelings for her at the exclusion of also having them for Tifa, but the case for romantic inclinations toward Aerith can certainly be made. Cloud is quick to accept Aerith's offer of a date after meeting her, which indicates an initial attraction. He's also uncharacteristically polite and easygoing with her, despite them having just met. Not long thereafter, Cloud consents to Aerith's suggested manner of infiltrating Don Corneo's place, demonstrating that he has come to value her opinion by that point. In addition, when she is taken by the Turks -- again, soon thereafter -- he immediately resolves to rescue her after Tifa, Barret and himself pull themselves together in the wake of Sector 7's destruction. This instant determination to aid Aerith shows the player that Cloud cares about Aerith herself at this point, as does the "But I'm...... we're here for you, right?" line in Cosmo Canyon. As mentioned earlier, such dialogue is a classic convention indicating "I've said too much." This device is a common way of showing that one character has romantic affection for another. The line pretty much has to be read as indicating something "more," if only because that's the go-to thing in film and literature for a character to say when they realize they're giving too much about their feelings away -- just as the fade in the higher affection Highwind scene is classic cinematic language for "sex happened here." Otherwise, one has to ask: "Why is it there?" Though not necessarily indicative of romantic fancy, additional signs one may point to are that Cloud's spoken thoughts turn to Aerith several times following her death in the original game, and that he thinks of meeting her again during the ending, having seen her hand in the Lifestream and realized that death doesn't mean loved ones are forever separated. Less cut and dry than the previous references, though one could hardly be faulted for reading into them a bit. Whatever feelings Cloud had for her, though, were eventually perverted by his growing sense of guilt. Certainly the presence of romantic feelings could make that situation all the more bitter -- especially if he ever realized how she felt about him -- but it isn't necessary to still be carrying a torch in order to be crushed under a crippling guilt in these circumstances. To clarify once more: None of this requires assuming that Cloud doesn't also have romantic feelings for Tifa. It also doesn't assume that any ongoing relationship exists between Cloud and Aerith after she has died -- obviously, they had no interaction between her death and Advent Children, at the end of which she walks off into a white light after telling Cloud that he's okay now. In summary, all that has been concluded here is the following: Cloud had romantic feelings for Aerith, and those feelings eventually became another part of his distorted memory of her as guilt crept up on him; Fortunately, he does get all that sorted out and moves on with life, but he will carry with him fond memories of Aerith to the day he dies now that he's freed her memory from negative associations. Though Cloud's personality and thought processes weren't those of the genuine article during the time he knew Aerith, it stands to reason that the attraction to her was genuine enough. One may attribute that to the false persona he had constructed if they wish, but an attraction was there at that time and is obvious within the original game itself, even without official comments that render the matter inarguable. For that matter, why wouldn't Cloud have been attracted to someone like her? Plenty of characters in the game are, including Zack -- whose personality had a significant influence on Cloud thanks to Jenova's cells. As well, the fact that Cloud does agree to the date exchange with Aerith says much. At that point in the game, Cloud had not even been interested in sticking with Tifa out of chivalry, so he clearly wanted something from Aerith if he was agreeing to help her. Sure, the real Cloud would have helped her for free due to his protective nature, and perhaps even "What's In It For Me?" Cloud from the beginning of the game would have -- but he was going to have something to show for it if he could. For that matter, regardless of whether his attraction to her was due only to the fake personality -- implausible as that is -- Cloud would still remember seeing her like that once he was himself again. The real Cloud would have had to integrate those memories. As poignantly illustrated by TheLifestream.net forum member Fairheartstrife: ---- Fake Cloud = red. Real Cloud = yellow. Pieced-together Cloud = Orange. Separate entities or not, when Humpty Dumpty is pieced together again, the experiences of Fake Cloud will blend with Real Cloud. ---- Yes, those feelings may have originally belonged to the "Composite Cloud" of his real self, his idealized vision of himself, Zack's influence, etc., but it's still Cloud from some point in the game, and Real Cloud must ultimately square with everything that took place during Composite Cloud's time in the driver seat. Finally, let it be clear that it is not being argued here that Real Cloud necessarily felt what Composite Cloud did for Aerith by the time he emerged -- just that some form of Cloud at some point in time undoubtedly felt something more than platonic friendship for her. By the time Real Cloud gets his day in the sun, circumstances would have made his feelings for Aerith more complicated. However, one can be certain that he remained fond of her memory, even while an ongoing, ever-developing attraction would be impossible for obvious reasons. Before moving on to the next "Claim" header, it may prove a valuable intellectual exercise to also consider thoughts from several other forum members of TheLifestream.net, though this author does not quite agree with all the sentiments expressed: Fairheartstrife: ---- Cloud was attracted to Aerith. How is this even up for debate? He was. Fractured, splintered, ZaCloud or whatever *was* attracted to her. I imagine that was very conflicting for him, as his inner Cloud was still jonesing for Tifa, but that's another discussion. Cloud was intrigued at the very least. However, having said that, attraction =/= love. And that's where I don't buy Clerith as canon or even a "relationship." Could it have been? Maybe. It'd be a stretch considering the events after the Lifestream sequence when Cloud was whole again. Honestly I don't think Aerith would find insecure moody Cloud all that appealing -- just my opinion, people. Not to mention that even if you feel Cloud had a hard-on for Aerith, there's a ton of underlying feelings about Tifa that would need to be worked through. Tl;dr: Cloud was attracted to Aerith, but that doesn't mean he loved her. ---- Wolfmania: ---- Obviously, Puppet Cloud was somewhat romantically attracted to Aerith. The game makes that somewhat clear. Puppet Cloud is not the real Cloud, however, and to say they would act the same with her is a stretch. You cannot say that the real Cloud had any feelings of romance or love toward Aerith based on Puppet Cloud's interactions with her -- namely, their dialogue and the fact Cloud agreed to go on a date with her. All of that is unusable when trying to argue Cloud was romantically attracted to the girl given that it's like asking why wouldn't "Zack" accept to go on a date with a pretty lady. Paint the scenary with the Cloud we know from the end of FFVII and the Compilation. Would his responses have been the same, despite being an entirely different personality? Think of real personality disorder cases here. There exist diametrically opposed personalities in the same mind. Only, luckily for Cloud, he was able to expunge his fake self in a catharsis. And to say Fake Cloud was not that different from his real self -- or that he was still, in a large sense, his own person -- is just completely cheapening the most important aspect and theme of his character: The fact he was lost and not himself. Heck, let me take a quote from the big boss herself: "I want to meet you." Can It be certified that Real Cloud posseses romantic attractions to Aerith enough that he would take her on a real date? Especially given the fact that Puppet Cloud's memories of Tifa and such were repressed at the time? Could It be said that Post-Lifestream Cloud still feels anything but platonic love for his friend after becoming aware of his real memories and Tifa's feelings? Moreover, would he ever have agreed to a date? To add to that, what has been said about assimilating memories is ambiguous. One can have memories of feelings not possesed anymore. If anything, Puppet Cloud's attraction to Aerith would be just that: A memory of how he acted and used to feel. Not an actual tangible feeling that the real Cloud obtained through his own interactions. The crux of the argument is that no romantic implications have ever been shown between Real Cloud and Aerith. She's obviously an important person to him, as is Zack, but their interactions don't speak to anything romantic. If anyone does want to say that Real Cloud has any sort of romantic inclination towards Aerith, I'd just like something more solid to substantiate the claim. All I see when they meet in Advent Children is the desire for forgiveness. Moreoever, I don't understand why it's not possible that Real Cloud had his own interactions with Aerith from the backseat and formed his own emotions, separate from those of his fake personality. ---- Master Bates: ---- My personal stance on Cloud's feelings toward Aerith remains unchanged. It was made apparent in the game that Cloud felt attracted to her. Whether it was because of the Zack part of him or because of something else, we will never know -- but the thing is: He was attracted. This attraction made him gravitate towards Aerith. Yet, did he love her romantically? That is the question. My personal stance on this ever since the beginning was that he was slowly falling in love, but *fell in love* he didn't. Of course, this is arguable, but definitely not implausible. I'd even hold it in my headcanon that this is what happened in the game: His reasons and factors for breaking are many, including Aerith's death and Cloud's own guilt. These feelings, combined with internal and external factors, made him conflicted, and conflict turned to confusion -- confusion which translates to unsolvable mystery. Ergo, Aerith is a mystery to Cloud. The fact that she's dead and will remain dead just makes her a mystery which he will never be able to solve. And I personally like it this way. ---- hitoshura: ---- Regarding Fake/Real Cloud: Even if he wasn't completely himself at the start, I don't think what he felt during that time would suddenly disappear after he regained himself. I don't think everything that happened then necessarily reflects the truth. For example, I don't think Cloud not remembering his promise to Tifa at first -- which he remembered in detail seconds later -- means that it meant nothing to him like some say, but I think things like the feelings and friendships (like with Barret) he formed during that period still meant something. Whatever personality he has at the start -- and even if he might have reacted differently with his original personality -- what he experienced then is going to stay with him. Otherwise, why would he feel any remorse about causing Aerith's death (even if he didn't, really) if everything that happened to him while in his false persona wouldn't apply to him post-Lifestream? I think even if the face he puts up for the world, the way he acts or behaves, changes it doesn't mean that how he feels or felt inside is going to completely change. I don't necessarily think there was this big genre-defining love between him and Aerith, but I think he did feel something special towards her (which doesn't get in the way of anything he feels for Tifa, because I think that whole "one person/soul mate" thing is silly) that was different from how he felt about others. I don't think his mannerisms changing necessarily means all his feelings and emotions have suddenly changed. ---- penandpaper: ---- I will admit that I've always been intrigued by this aspect because it's never made totally clear where Real Cloud starts and ends, and the same holds true for Composite Cloud -- unless there is some quote that I'm missing that clears it up. I'm not sure that there is a clear cut line as to how much of Real Cloud was encompassed in Composite Cloud, if any at all. Cloud does appear to have two distinct personalities, though, represented by the two voices that converse within his own head -- and which do not appear to be coming from the same individual given that one of the two clearly has knowledge the other lacks and they appear to be able to think separately from one another. The voice representing Real Cloud spends most of his time trying to convince Composite Cloud to figure out/realize the truth, but given that it's always approached in a different manner and that Composite Cloud is unaware of this thought process when Real Cloud is not trying to reach him, it would seem there is actually thought involved separate from the dominate personality's train of thought. The dominate personality of Composite Cloud is clearly able to operate without Real Cloud given that he does for a good portion of the game... Truthfully, I'm not sure how much overlap occurs between the two personalities when they finally combine or even before that point. Some, I assume, given that I'd imagine that when the two personalities become a part of one individual, the experiences of the composite persona would become part of Real Cloud in some sense. Even that's not totally clear cut, though, given that while Real Cloud may only have a limited amount of influence over his composite persona, he is still clearly aware of what's going on around him (e.g. asking if he's alright after the fall in the church, commenting about how he used to be able to get away with just skinned knees and trying to stop his composite persona from giving the Black Materia to Sephiroth). He may not be experiencing things as Composite Cloud does, but he is aware during the game and I don't see why he wouldn't be able to develop affection for those around him all on his own. He still clearly cares for his friends after regaining himself, but how much of that comes from Composite Cloud and how much from Real Cloud? I have no idea and I have zero idea how romantic attraction in particular would transfer or if Real Cloud ever felt a romantic attraction for Aerith given that he has only limited influence over himself. But, then again, limited influence is not the same as no influence -- although it's usually indicated in the game when Real Cloud is active. Overall, I think that it's a complicated point and that complexity is part of what I love about the game. There isn't much that is clear cut in the game, but there isn't much in life that is clear cut either. The question isn't "Can Real Cloud feel?" because the evidence appears to indicate that he certainly can. He can feel and he can form strong bonds, as indicated by the fact that he is, in fact, aware of what's happening and does continue to have strong bonds with the other characters even after the Lifestream sequence. The issue is: Was the bond that the real Cloud formed with Aerith ever romantic? Given that it's hard to know how much influence Real Cloud has on Composite Cloud when we don't directly see the interaction, it's also hard to read what type of bond Real Cloud might have been forming with her. I don't think there is any doubt that he has a bond with her and a strong one at that just as he does with his other companions, but the nature of it is trickier to pinpoint. On top of that, how much of Composite Cloud's feelings transferred when both personalities were combined and were those feelings romantic in nature? Aerith is precious to him, but her being precious to him doesn't mean that his feelings for her are romantic. And even if we assume that Composite Cloud's feelings are romantic in nature, which is something I'm willing to run with for the sake of discussion, how do we know to what degree those feelings transfer? His feelings from his composite persona have to be combined with Real Cloud's feelings from both the period prior to the fracturing of his psyche and after he's restored to normal. It seems unfair to assume that just because Composite Cloud was interested that Real Cloud must also be, at least to me. I think the issue is that Real Cloud and DisC1oud's emotions have to be combined into one and there's no reason to assume that there is a direct transfer. As I mentioned before, emotions are not a matter of copy and pasting -- plus we need to factor in Real Cloud's thoughts and feelings, which are mostly an unknown by this point. The only thing we know for sure about Real Cloud's point of view is that he deeply cares for Aerith, but that still doesn't mean that his feelings are romantic and that he'd view her in the same light after he becomes whole again. Now, it isn't impossible for those feelings to carry over. It's just that we don't know what happened after the two personas combined, and Cloud's never really shown anything to indicate that his feelings for Aerith are/were romantic after he becomes whole again. That's not to say that they couldn't be, just that they don't have to be and, therefore, it can't really be stated factually. Sort of like the "guilt can indicate romantic feelings, but doesn't have to" matter as far as Advent Children goes. Nor has anything ever been stated to that affect in the official materials. Anyway, the possibility that his feelings could be romantic hasn't been ruled out, but there just isn't enough to prove it to be a fact. It's still a matter of "could be" and not "is." Wanting to protect also does not, by default, mean romance. It doesn't for Tifa anymore than it does for Aerith. It's an indication of importance, and I don't think anyone is denying Aerith's importance to Cloud. She's intensely important and precious to Cloud, but it's a jump to assume that this means romance unless we want to make that assumption for everyone that Cloud wants to protect or for everyone that he views as important and precious. If that was all the indication that we had for Cloud's feeling for Tifa, I'd give you the same answer: that the feelings can be, but aren't necessarily romantic. The difference is that Cloud's feelings for Tifa are indicated to be romantic before he becomes headfucked and after, which indicates -- although doesn't necessarily prove -- that there is probably some continuity there in reference to Real Cloud. At the very least, his feelings for Tifa after he returns to himself are indicated to be romantic within the canon materials, while his feelings for Aerith are much less defined at that point. I just don't think there's enough to assume romantic feelings. Possible? Yes, but not enough to come to the conclusion that his feelings are/were romantic in nature. ---- Zee: ---- Aerith is always quoted as someone that's "engraved in Cloud's heart," "in his heart" and "someone he'd never forget" -- and when Sephiroth asks him about what's important, she's right up there on the list with Tifa/the family and Zack. Obviously, something about her really got him, despite his fractured state, which means he must have felt something intense for it to get under the six inch layer of crap in his head. ---- Danseru-kun: ---- I think that everyone accepts that Aerith and Cloud shared a special bond and that he has real feelings on Disc 1. Cloud loved Aerith, but the issue is romance. The thing is, though, some of us feel his actions on Disc 1 cannot be used as evidence for romance since the real Cloud would have acted and reacted differently. In Disc 1, Fake Cloud's feelings are from real circumstances, not things he made up in his mind. He's not immune to attraction, love, friendship, pain, hatred, etc. However, if Real Cloud was on Disc 1 from the start, he would certainly act differently toward his friends and differently toward Tifa and Aerith. Real Cloud may still fight Sephiroth, save the world, save Tifa and Aerith, hate Shin-Ra, etc., but the way he will treat these people around him will not be the same as the Fake Cloud. It's not totally off to say that Real and Fake Cloud would not have the same bonding experience. True, Aerith knew the real Cloud hiding underneath, but Cloud was still in that shell. Aerith may have reached Cloud, but did Cloud reach out towards Aerith? So Cloud and Aerith's bond was real, his bond with everyone else is real, but my point is still the same: What's the evidence that he loved her romantically? Falling in love is different from "fell in love." It's ambiguous. I think a lot of people here who don't think that Cloud and Aerith have a two-way romantic relationship are open to the possibility that Cloud is in the process of falling in love. It's like an engine getting started but the tires got destroyed as soon as the gas is hit. So Cloud was attracted to Aerith, he liked Aerith, admired her, was falling for her perhaps -- but then tragedy struck. Some believe he got there, some don't. I'm saying that Fake Cloud is capable of falling in love because he's experiencing reality, and that love can be genuine and can even be carried in Advent Children. Fake Cloud is part of Real Cloud now. But we need stronger evidence that Cloud was able to reach this romantic level with Aerith since the strongest emotion we get from Real Cloud is guilt. It's also a matter of standards. Some of us feel that Aerith's death will have less emotional impact if the player does not see romance between the two, while some can say that omitting romance won't really cheapen her death. I'm really open for Clerith; it's just that I don't see enough proof of romantic love before and after Aerith's death -- and with romantic love we have different standards of it. I think they are more than friends, but less than lovers. They have immense potential, but to know the end result of their relationship if Aerith had lived and Cloud returned to his real self is a mystery. ---- Goodbye Charlie: ---- See, this is my sticking point, and has been for a long time now: If you're having to cherry pick through a story to justify an answer, you're probably not really looking for the actual answer. Contrary to popular belief, good stories have conclusions that people can see very easily. With the LTD, the makers have made it uber easy by bookending the story with lots of simple, easy-to-chew clarification. Cloud was emulating Zack in the middle of breakdown. Zack used to be into that Aeris girl and vice versa. Cloud was into Tifa. He left his town to prove he was special to her. Aeris died, Cloud breaks down, his memories resurface of his adoration for Tifa and of his failure to her and her town -- that, in part, lead to his breakdown. He goes and lives with her. He sees Aeris in the Lifestream with Zack. They are happy. So is he. Tifa, Aeris, Zack, Marlene ... they all forgive him. He puts his past behind him. See? In one short paragraph I summed up a whole Compilation, with no twists or turns, no koibitos or quotes. No suggestion Aeris wasn't important to Cloud or Cloud wasn't attracted to/liked Aeris. No speculation to what could have happened/should have happened. Simple breakdown of a logical story of dovetailing romances, past, present and future. Do I ship? No. Never have, never will. Assert I'm a biased Cloti and you'll look a bit of a clot(i). Using it to slur people's logical points because they don't fit your desires is silly. Don't go there. If they suddenly did a tale where Cloud died and he found himself lost in Aeris's arms, I'd accept that. It could happen. It's fiction, it's malleable. There are open CloudxTifa lovers. I'm not one of them. I think it works in relation to the story we're given, but they're made-up people. All that matters is what we're given and seeing and enjoying the story for what it is. Soon as you need to prove a story with quotes and facts on either side, it gets trivial. Cloud loves Tifa. He was attracted to Aeris, probably. Zack and Aeris are together in the Lifestream once more. They're happy. That's the story. Did "Star Wars" confuse you? No? Well, really this is about as complicated. It's not rocket science, regardless of what Cid says. ... Sadly, the LTD is an excuse for people to declare "Who do I want Cloud to love?" -- and those people pick and nuance to prove it. The LTD for you is different to the LTD for me. The LTD for you is "Who do I want Cloud to love?" -- and too many people of this ilk have clouded the true nature of the narrative with ridiculous literature and cherry picking. I stand on the grounds that the LTD is about clarifying who Cloud loved so people who enjoyed the game and are confused (as it is a complex game) or haven't read all the literature can get a concise and objective answer. That's what I see the LTD to be about: debunking the myths. If the game had left Cloud in Aeris's arms and people were confused, I'd be here to clarify that against any rabid Cloti. It becomes strawman, because its safe to try and debunk neutrals because they say what you don't want to hear, and, worst of all, they don't claim to be like you (wanting to prove their preference is true). They just want to clarify what's true. Shippers hate that, and, naturally, rush to demean that position as biased -- because, otherwise, those people are really, really, dangerous to their personal desires. ... I think the sad thing here is the desire to prove an ignitable love, rooted in kinship and sexuality, as it actually does Cloud's character -- and the writers -- an utter disservice. Cloud isn't about love. That's totally not what the character is about. It's perhaps a point where I might differ from Clotis. Tifa is *very* important to the character, and so is Aeris, but Cloud to the audience isn't a romantic character. He's a lonely one. He's a man who finds it hard to make connections. Cloud's story is about guilt and failure. Those are the motivators for Cloud Strife. That guilt and failure manifest in different ways. He doesn't give himself easily, but takes on the burdens of others with great ease. To get over-fixated on scales of 1 to 10 how much he wuvs X or wuvs Y loses the entire journey of the character. It's why Advent Children is not really about how he personally feels about either; it's about how he's unable to connect with anyone -- living or dead. Soon as you start trying to scale up how much affection he has for characters to reach your desired love quota, you circumnavigate his core story. That's a great shame, as that core, brittle personality is what makes Cloud so fascinating. Like I said, I follow stories by the story, not by cutting out little snippets of text to prove what I want to believe (though I have ended up having to read them to assess alternative perspectives in this topic). From what I see, and how the story treads, I don't see anything that suggests definitively that Cloud Strife was in love with Aeris. From Crisis Core, FF7, Advent Children and its sub-stories, it seems to me Cloud's real affections are for one person but he's too brittle and introverted -- as many classic Japanese heroes are -- to really be able to embrace them. Does he love Aeris? I don't know. His mind wasn't in the right place when he was with Aeris. I'm not sure you can truly love anyone when you're not in a good state of mind, period. I'd say that during Advent Children, he is unable to love anyone because he is, again, so brittle. Love comes from a state of balance. You have to feel good for yourself before you can love others, which is why he can leave his family in AC, and it's why so many loving parents can commit suicide when they are surrounded by loving families -- you can't love properly until you're in a position to do so. Cloud never knew Aeris when he was balanced, and I don't think he could love Tifa during Advent Children for the same reason. I think, like all the FF7 characters, his addled brain didn't stop him from loving her as a friend, and neither would it stop him from being attracted to her, but I think "love" is too strong an emotion for Cloud to have in that time period of FF7. ... Everything I've said has been supported by that narrative logic. Nothing is awkward, nor is it inconsistent to any of the characters. The alternative is very odd and makes for an uncomfortable logic. My version: Aeris and Zack have a close relationship; Zack disappears; Aeris never knows why. She feels hurt and lost and angry. Cloud wants Tifa, but Tifa never notices him; he goes off to prove he is a man by joining the army. He works with Zack; they go back to his hometown, where he's ashamed he's not made the rank he wanted, and he hides from Tifa, feeling shame for his failure to become SOLDIER. His town is destroyed by his boss; he escapes, but Zack is killed protecting Cloud; Cloud breaks down, mentally taking on Zack's dream to become a mercenary. Meets Aeris and Tifa. He's now taken on Zack's position in history. He and Aeris become friends; Aeris makes him her bodyguard. She starts to inadvertently chip away at the faux personality, but not enough. Tifa is confused by Cloud's personality and story history. Aeris is killed by Sephiroth and Cloud starts to break down, feeling the guilt, anger and pain. He discovers he's in part being controlled by the enemy; breaks down again. Tifa revives him, he remembers his history, his desire for Tifa, his want to impress her. He becomes Cloud. Cloud and Tifa have an intimate moment, having opened themselves up to each other just before the world is about to end. It doesn't. They carry on into a relationship. Aeris meets Zack in the Lifestream and starts to see the truth about all she went through. She slowly starts to see the things in Cloud she likes are there in Zack, but at this point still can't admit to them. Geostigma hits, Cloud is infected, Cloud's guilt and pain that was unresolved for Aeris and Zack start to dominate. He can't be around those he loves, fearing as with Aeris and Zack, he'll fail to protect them; he goes away to die, going back and forth between Zack and Aeris's graves looking for forgiveness. Everyone forgives Cloud, he is cured, he says goodbye to his guilt, to Aeris and Zack, and is able to smile and rejoin his family as a person once more. Alternate version: Aeris has a relationship with Zack. Zack disappears. Aeris gets over Zack as she tells Cloud, despite writting nearly 100 letters to him. She falls in love with Cloud, a man who left his hometown to prove his worth to Tifa as a man. Cloud falls in love with her. Tifa is jealous. Aeris dies. Cloud forever mourns, but has a sexual encounter with Tifa before moving in with her as a friend, despite knowing how much she cares for him. The enounter means nothing romantic. They live as a commune while he mourns Aeris. He finds himself thanks to Aeris and Zack, who wave goodbye to him together before leaving his life. He is happy now in his commune with the girl who loves him but who he just likes, save knowing the love of his life is now hanging around her ex-boyfriend. Seriously? Which has narrative consistency as a story? Which is the richer story? Which story deals with all the characters evenly without over focusing on one pair? ... I've said over and over, I can see pretty much anyone falling for Aeris. She was meant to be that sort of lady. A girl with charm and a certain fragility that encourages protection. I don't doubt in an ideal world Cloud would fall for her if Tifa wasn't around. He's human. I can see him being attracted *with* Tifa being around. She's meant to be a charmer. It's the notion that he was wanting or believing or even becoming her boyfriend that I contest, especially on the grounds if you put Cloud into that situation, it causes a whole dearth of problems with the events that follow, all of which do nothing but demean the bond they have. And such a prospect, while one can interpret on its own, doesn't marry to the lack of introspection later on. If he bounced romantically from Aeris to Tifa, you'd expect that to be highlighted by ... someone -- Tifa especially, given she was Aeris's best friend too. There's no character assassination of Aeris going on here, nor do I think she wouldn't be a good match. Hell, we don't always pick our best match. I think you could make a viable argument that she might be a better match than Tifa, ideally. I don't know. But as the facts stand in FF7, yeah, I've yet to see anything dovetail that suggests Cloud was romantically responding to her in anything more than affection, protection and maybe some natural attraction. Nothing which seemed to make his leap to Tifa seem unusual or morally dubious. ---- Raven Roth: ---- There is romance between Cloud and Aerith. If there wasn't, there would be no love triangle. Yes, I agree Cloud feels guilty and responsible for her death, and he seeks forgiveness from her in Advent Children. I don't think he's "pining" for her. I think he misses her and he will always miss her. I also don't think that his only feelings for her are in regard to forgiveness; there's more to it. But, yeah, the guilt is definitely a driving factor. I don't think Cloud is miserable because he isn't with Aerith. I think he's miserable because he's a screw up and he can't get anything right. Here he is, trying to atone for his mistakes and be happy. And then someone he loves is dying and instead of finding a cure, he ends up contracting a deadly illness instead. And now he's useless to everyone. Just like how he felt when he saw Aerith die in front of him. Useless. Like I said, I don't think he's pining for her. Only that he misses her and always will. She's engraved in his heart and, therefore, will always be someone he can never forget. ---- == -Claim: Aerith is dead. She and Cloud can't have an ongoing relationship anyway, as she herself acknowledges in Maiden Who Travels the Planet. Response: While they cannot have such a relationship, this doesn't preclude Cloud from being in love with her and refusing to move on with his life to love another. Of course, that is exactly what he does. However, Aerith being dead or being alive has nothing to do with who Cloud *can* love. == -Claim: In Case of Barret, Cid says "In the end, it's the women wear the pants" while he and Barret discuss Cloud and Tifa. More to the point, they're discussing Tifa whipping Cloud into shape and spurring him on to be productive. Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cob2a_zps34f52c4e.jpg Certainly most readers will be familiar with the expression "to wear the pants in the family," particularly as it's applied to women who make many of the major household decisions. Dialogue such as this among Cloud and Tifa's friends definitely points to a romantic relationship between them. Really, what else could it imply? Response: While this dialogue would certainly paint that picture were it present in the Japanese text of Case of Barret, what Cid actually says there is something more to the effect of "After all, women are the strong ones" -- a comment lacking the connotation the English idiom carries. Japanese text: ---- 結局よ、女なんだよな、強いのはよ. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ cob2b_zps4dba55ab.jpg It does merit pointing out, however, that -- while Cid didn't use that exact choice of phrasing -- he does seem to be making an association between the situation between Cloud & Tifa and the situation at home between himself and Shera, whom Cid has married. There's an implication here that what he has said is true for himself and his wife as well. == -Claim: In Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII, both Cid and Vincent call Cloud to inform him that Yuffie would like him to go to "Barret's place." This tells us that Barret most certainly isn't part of the Seventh Heaven family, and that he definitely doesn't live there. In other words, the only adults it belongs to are Cloud and Tifa. Response: As mentioned earlier in this article, whether Barret lives at Seventh Heaven at any point has no bearing on whether Cloud and Tifa are or can be a couple. That being said, what's called "Barret's place" is "Barret no tokoro" (バレットのところ) in Japanese. As discussed a couple of times earlier, "tokoro" refers only to someone's place in time at a given moment, not the place they call home. Essentially, Yuffie was just demanding that Cloud go where Barret was. In any case, we've already examined the matter of who the Seventh Heaven belongs to, and it is identified only as belonging to Cloud and Tifa anyway. ==== "What in life does not deserve celebrating?" [5.2358In] As we near the end of our analysis, in the interest of a thorough study of the canon, let's take a diversion to consider what information, if any, establishes a canon date for Cloud at the Gold Saucer near the end of Disc 1. For obvious reasons, we'll go ahead and rule out Yuffie and Barret's dates as even being in the running, though we will still include information related to them as it comes up in source material. For a few reasons, Tifa's seems to be the obvious fit. The name of the music playing on the date is "Interrupted by Fireworks"/"Words Drowned by Fireworks," and, indeed, her words get drowned out during the date when she tries telling Cloud that she loves him. Though the idea of the dates being "interrupted" by fireworks might fit all four dates, Tifa is the only character whose words are actually "drowned out" by them on any of the dates -- and "Words Drowned by Fireworks" is the actual name of the track, as translated from the Japanese name, "Hanabi ni Kesareta Kotoba" (花火に消された言葉). It is also listed by this name on iTunes under the page for the Final Fantasy VII Original Soundtrack: http://web.archive.org/web/20131108081806/ https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/final-fantasy-vii- original/id61018952 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ wordsdrowned.jpg Furthermore, though pp. 150, 151 and 153 of the Final Fantasy VII International Memorial Album provide the scripts for Aerith, Tifa and Yuffie's dates with Cloud, Tifa's is provided first: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dates1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dates2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dates3.jpg What's more, the script for Tifa's date is the only one featured for the section of the date where Cait Sith is discovered stealing the Keystone (pg. 154): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ dates4.jpg As mentioned much earlier in this analysis, this is the same book that provided a script of only the High Affection version of the Highwind scene. Further still, in Cloud's profile in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 37; pg. 39 in the Revised Edition), a screenshot of Tifa's date with Cloud is featured alongside the statement that Cloud was oblivious to Tifa and Aerith's feelings for him, while yet another screenshot of the same date is included in Tifa's profile from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide (pg. 194): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ U10pg3739_zpsab2772b2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ddssh8.jpg This latter reference to the date includes this caption: ---- She is shy when it comes to love. She's getting better at plainly expressing her feelings to Cloud, though, and can do so more easily now. ---- Japanese text: ---- 恋愛に関しては奥手。クラウドに想いを寄せながらも素直になれず、 なかなか気持ちを伝えられずにいる。 ---- Not only does this caption seem to thematically tie together Tifa's date -- where she had difficulty expressing her feelings to Cloud -- with the higher affection version of the Highwind scene -- where she and Cloud both finally reveal their feelings to one another -- but, as it's speaking in the present progressive tense, it would appear to be treating the matter as something that has already happened from the perspective of the "speaker." In other words, as with all other screenshot captions throughout the book, the date appears to be treated here as something that actually took place for these characters. Meanwhile, there's no screenshot of or reference to Aerith's date in either the 10th Anniversary Ultimania's profiles or its Story Playback section, in which the story of the original game is recapped. None of the profiles from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character make reference to the event either -- not even in Cloud or Aerith's profiles. All this being said, the most recent official published material on the matter provides equal treatment to all four dates. In their respective profiles from the FF 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2, each candidate's date is spoken of in definitive terms despite their mutually exclusive nature. From Tifa's profile on pg. 25: ---- Feelings That Turn With the Gondola After everyone has gone to sleep for the evening, Tifa invites Cloud on a date. However, because of her shy personality, she is unable to tell him her feelings directly and, in the end, only mumbles hints. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thMUTifa.jpg Japanese text: ---- 観覧車にてからまわる想い みんなが寝静まった夜、 クラウドをデートに誘うティファ. もっとも、 奥手な性格ゆえに、彼に面と向かって想いを伝えられず、思わせぶりな ことをつぶやくだけで終わってしまう。 ---- From Aerith's profile on pg. 29: ---- The Promised Date at the Gold Saucer The "1 date" reward promised when she enlisted Cloud as her bodyguard. She invites him on the date during the night spent at the Gold Saucer; participating in a play and riding the gondola, they have a pleasant time, though it is brief. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ 25thMUAerith.jpg Japanese text: ---- 約束のデートはゴールドソーサで 「デート１回」の報酬を約束にはじまった、クラウドヘの護衛の依頼. ゴールドソーサーに泊まった夜、約束どおり彼をデートに誘い、演劇をしたり 観覧車に乗ったり、つかの間とはいえ楽しい時間を過ごす。 ---- From Yuffie's profile on pg. 45: ---- The Courageous Act of the Tomboy Despite her usual boyish behavior, she boldly kisses Cloud on the gondola during the date with him at the Gold Saucer. Expecting him to have some kind of reaction, she becomes angry when he can't even think of anything to say, and so she slaps him. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ yuffiedate25th_zps12f54c44.jpg Japanese text: ---- ボーイッシュ少女のダイタンな行動 ふだんの言動は少年的だが、ゴールドソーサーでクラウドとデートすると、 観覧車内でキスという大胆な行動に。反応を期待したものの、気のきいた ことひとつ言えないクラウドに怒り、ビンタをかます。 ---- From Barret's profile on pg. 33: ---- If his degree of affection for Cloud is higher than that of the female party members, Barret will go on the date with him at the Gold Saucer. He speaks frankly about forbidden love with Cloud ... or, rather, probes whether he's interested in any of the women, then flies off the handle when he concludes that it's Marlene. ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ barretdate25th_zps1c03bebb.jpg Japanese text: ---- 禁断のデート？ クラウドへの好感度が女性陣よりも高い場合、ゴールドソーサーでバッレトが クラウドとデートすることに。クラウドに禁断の恋を打ち明ける……わけはなく、 気になる女性はいないのかと尋ね、それがマリンだと早合点して暴れ出す。 ---- Along these same lines, both Tifa and Aerith's dates are presented in the same definitive terms in the two characters' personal timelines from their profiles in the FFVII Ultimania Omega, beginning with Tifa's date on pg. 26 and continuing with Aerith's on pg. 31: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo26.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo31.jpg Added to this, despite Aerith's presence in the screenshot, on pg. 394 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario -- the "For the One I Love" page -- the caption for the date scene's entry says: ---- At the Gold Saucer, Cloud receives an invitation from one of his companions. Who comes around with the invitation is dependent on Cloud's behavior. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ u20date.jpg Japanese text: ---- 秘密のデ―ト ゴ―ルドソ―サ―で仲間のひとりから誘いを受けりクラウド。誰が誘いにやってくる かは、それまでのクラウドの行動しだい。 ---- No attention is called to Aerith's date here, even on a page that specified that the High Affection Highwind scene took place. The four alternatives are simply treated as equals. However, despite the arguable favor Tifa's date has received in some ways and the more neutral presentations seen at other times, ultimately, Aerith's date is the clear favorite in Square's corner and the most likely to be canon. To understand why, let us go all the way back to the FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide, originally published in March of 1997 and reissued in November of the same year. On pg. 164, Aerith's final monologue from the book's many diary-like entries references her going on the date with Cloud as an established fact: (translation by hitoshura) ---- [Aerith: Inside Cloud's dream] Cloud... can you hear me? I'm talking to your heart while you sleep right now. I hope this reaches you okay, like when I hear the voice from the planet. Sephiroth is trying to summon Meteor using the Black Materia ... He's trying to wound the planet badly. If Meteor really does fall, then everyone's going to die. People, animals, flowers ... The life on this planet will disappear completely. The only one who can stop it is the last surviving Cetra. Me. I realize that. That was the duty of the Cetra. So, leave Meteor to me. You just think about yourself, Cloud. Remember your own ways ... so you don't have a breakdown. Well, I'm off. When it's all over, we can meet each other again. Oh, Cloud ... I enjoyed our date at the Gold Saucer. The view from the gondola that night was really beautiful. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget you, Cloud ... ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ forestofdreams.jpg Japanese text: ---- ［エアリス：クラウドの夢の中］ クラウド……聞こえてる？ 今、眠ったままのあなたの心に話しかけてる。私が星からの声を聞くように、 あなたにもうまく伝わるといいけど。 セフィロスは、黒マテリアを使ってメテオを呼び寄せようとしてる……この星をひどく 傷つけようとしてるの。もし本当にメテオが降ってきたら、きっとみんな死んでしまう。 人間も、動物も、花も……この星の命が、消えちゃう。 止めることができるのは、セトラの生き残りの私だけ。私、分かったの。それが セトラの役目だったんだって。だから、メテオのことは私にまかせて。クラウドは 自分のことだけ考えて。 自分のやりかたを思い出して……あなたが壊れてしまわないように。 じゃ、そろそろ行くね。全部終わったら、また会えるよ。 あ、クラウド……ゴールドソーサーでのデート、楽しかったよね。ゴンドラから 見た夜景、とてもきれいだった。 私、ずっと忘れない。クラウドのこと、忘れない…… ---- Though Aerith's date would be slighted somewhat by both releases of the FFVII Memorial Album (1999 and 2003), it certainly receives preferential treatment in 2005's FFVII Ultimania Omega. There, on pg. 148, it is featured prominently in the screenshots from the events of the date in the book's extensive Story Playback section for Final Fantasy VII: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ uodate.jpg Though none of the writing on the page identifies any particular date, the preference here is clear. Likewise on pg. 2 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (both the original and the Revised Edition), where a screenshot from Aerith's date accompanies the book's opening message of "FFVII has always been in our hearts ??h: Japanese text: ---- 僕らの心のなかにはつねに『FFVII』があった-- ---- Source photo: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiinourhearts.jpg Even the "For the One I Love" page on pg. 394 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario shows a clear preference for Aerith's date in that it wasn't necessary to select a screenshot clearly referencing any particular date. Added to that, and more significantly, on pg. 225, the same book's Story Playback section includes Aerith's date in the main body of the story summary while Tifa, Yuffie and Barret's dates are off in the margin to the side under a "Deviation" heading: ---- Gold Saucer The Keystone falls into Tseng's hands, and he heads for the Temple of the Ancients Cait Sith's true colors are revealed After collecting information in various places on the key to opening the Temple of the Ancients, Cloud's team learns that it's in Dio's possession. After successfully gaining it from him at the Gold Saucer, the party spends the night at the hotel. That night, while Cloud is on a date with one of his companions, they witness Cait Sith passing the Keystone to Tseng. He has been a Shin-Ra spy. Marlene is taken hostage; hereafter, though, Cait Sith's behavior with the party doesn't change; they chase after Shin-Ra, heading for the Temple of the Ancients. "...So, you have to do as I say." [Screenshot caption of Aerith's date] During the date, Aerith voices her feelings for Cloud. Deviation Who is the date companion? Cloud's companion for the date is determined by your choices in the progress of the story. Whichever character amongst Tifa, Aerith, Yuffie and Barret has the highest value in the "affection rating" will be the one to invite Cloud out for the date; here are screenshots representing each. The course of each date is the same, but, as you can see, they each develop in their own way depending on the companion. [Screenshot caption of Tifa's date] Tifa tries to reveal her feelings to Cloud, but can't say it in the end. [Screenshot caption of Yuffie's date] Yuffie quietly moves over to Cloud and boldly kisses him on the cheek. [Screenshot caption of Barret's date] Barret arrives on his own at the idea that Cloud has his eye on Marlene. ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffu20datesummary.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ u20dates1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ u20dates2.jpg Japanese text: ---- ゴ―ルドソ―サ― キ―スト―ンがツォンの手に渡るも、ひとまず古代種の神殿に向かう 明かされるケット・シ―の正体 各地で情報を集めるうちに、クラウドたちは古代種の神殿へ入るための鍵で あるキ―スト―ンを、ディオが持っていると知る。ゴ―ルドソ―サ―で彼から首尾よく キ―スト―ンをゆずり受け、ホテルに泊まる一行。その夜、仲間のひとりと園内を デー卜していたクラウドは、ケッ ト ・ シ―がツォンにキース卜―ンを投げ渡す 光景を目にする。彼は、神羅のスパイだったのだ。マリンを人質にとられ、 今後もケッ卜・シ―と行動することになった一行は、神羅を追う形で古代種 の神殿へと向かう。 「みなさんはボクの言うとおりにするしかあらへんのですわ」 [Screenshot caption of Aerith's date] デ―卜中、エアリスはクラウドに対する想いを口する。 分岐 デ―卜の相手は誰? クラウドがデ―卜をする相手は、それまでの物語の進めかたによって決まる。 具体的には、ティファ、エアリス、ユフィ、バレットのなかで、「好感度」という 画面には表示されない数値のもっとも高い人物がクラウドをデトに誘うのだ。 デ―トコ―ス自体は共通だが、見られる展開は、相手によってきまぎま。 [Screenshot caption of Tifa's date] ティファはクラウドに気持ちを明かそうとするが、結局何も言えずじまい。 [Screenshot caption of Yuffie's date] ユフィはクラウドへおもむろに近づき、大胆にも頬にキスをする。 [Screenshot caption of Barret's date] バレットは、クラウドがマリンを狙っているものと勝手に思いこむ。 ---- Even more fuel on the fire, the Aerith version of the date is referenced by Aerith's card in the Final Fantasy Art Museum trading card collection from 2001 as though it definitely took place as well, given that its quotes from Aerith include her "No, Cloud... I'm searching for you..." line, along with the parenthetical notation, "(Said to Cloud during their first and last date)": (scan courtesy of Quexinos) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ FFArtMuseumAerith.jpg Japanese text: ---- 「ね、クラウド。私、あなたを捜してる」 （最初で最後のデートでクラウドへの想いを語る） ---- From that same card collection, the "Sanctuary of amusement" card (#111 in the set) says the following: (translation by JayM) ---- The Gold Saucer, the world's largest amusement park, run by its macho director, Dio. Cloud's group visited this place many times between fights. The encounter with Cait Sith. Chocobo Square, where so many close races unfolded. And Enchantment Night, when the promise of a date was fulfilled ... In the palace of desire that floats on the sand, the faint memories of two people are still held ... ---- Source photos: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ sanctuaryofamusement1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ sanctuaryofamusement2.jpg Japanese text: ---- マッチョな園長ディオが運営する世界最大の遊戯場ゴールドソーサー。クラウドたち は戦いの合間に何度もこの地を訪れた。ケット・シーとの出会い。チョコボスクエアで 繰り広 げられた数々のデッドヒート。そしてマジカルナイトの夜に果たされたデート の約束…。砂上に浮かぶ欲望の城に、二人の淡い想い出は今も眠る…。 「あなたの中に彼を見ていた…　でも、ちがうの。今は、ちがう…。ね、クラウド。私、 あなたを探してる」（デートの最後、観覧車に乗った時のエアリスの言葉） ---- It's also worth notice that Aerith's date brings closure to her confusion between Cloud and Zack, as she comes to terms with the fact that they are not the same person, and that she wishes to get to know Cloud as he really is. At least as significant to the story as the theme of Tifa's ongoing hesitation to voice her thoughts and feelings, this scene seems especially so given that it's one of the final scenes touching on Aerith's development. TheLifestream.net forum member Kittie has also made the following observation with regard to Aerith's date being canon: ---- In a way, it ties in very fittingly with Cloud's "I think I can meet her there" line. I've considered the possibility before, but now I can't help but take it that he meant that Aerith could finally meet the real Cloud and not the pseudo-persona one from the first disc. Compilation-wise, I'm not for sure if this still ties in with the OG, but the connection from the OG can still be interpreted here. ---- Perhaps most in favor of Aerith's date, though, is the fact that -- in the event of a tie in the game's affection values -- Aerith's date is played as the default. Even Tifa's comes only second in order of default. One could maybe argue Aerith's use in the Ultimania Omega's Story Playback as a "placeholder" or some such thing. One could contend that it being the default date in the event of a tie isn't enough. But the preferential treatment it receives is undeniable, and with a direct statement that "the promise of a date is fulfilled," that leaves little room for counterargument. Furthermore, the "Sanctuary of amusement" card makes such an impression in that it cements a period of several years where the Aerith date was unquestionably canon. For almost nine years after the game was released, there was nothing more to go off of than the monologues from the Kaitai Shinsho The Complete, the Memorial Album script and the Art Museum card collection. Two of those explicitly identify Aerith's date as the one that happened, and the third presents it alongside Tifa and Yuffie's. The card is not so much a silver bullet that supercedes later material, but is something that gives that later material vital context. Knowing of this prior canon status on the basis of something other than Benny Matsuyama's contentious work -- the canonicity of which later came into question (see the "What is the FFVII canon?" article elsewhere in this document for more information) -- paints a much different picture of things. With regard to the FFVII Ultimania Omega (published September 9, 2005), despite its use of all four dates in the book's character profiles, it looks less ambiguous due to its use of only Aerith's date in the screenshots from the extensive Story Playback section. Rather than these images simply serving as possible placeholders because "they had to put something there," they instead appear to be upholding the established canon. Thus, it becomes a situation where ambiguity wasn't really entered into the mix until the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimanias, the first of which wasn't published until January 31, 2008 -- eleven years to the day after FFVII was released! And even then, Aerith's date is the "placeholder" for the date's entry on the "For the One I Love" page in the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario and is the main date presented in VII's Story Playback from the same book, as we've gone over. This makes the 25th Memorial Ultimania Vol. 2's equal presentation of the dates appear much less ambiguous. ==== Absent Friends [5.2359In] Before at last closing this analysis, it would be a worthwhile exercise to ponder what impact, if any, the works of Benny Matsuyama (Maiden who Travels the Planet and the monologues from the Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide) have on our study when definitively included in canon. Those of you familiar with these works won't be surprised to learn that they have little impact whatsoever. The Kaitai Shinsho entries only tell us that Cloud found Aerith attractive and that he deeply cared about her -- facts which we otherwise knew or could reasonably infer. Granted, they also render Aerith's date with Cloud at the Gold Saucer canon, as well as establish that Aerith had grown to have more intense feelings for Cloud than she had for Zack, but neither development is a contradiction of anything we've established thus far, nor out of place within the wider narrative. All this also only tells us things about Aerith's feelings for Cloud rather than the reverse. For the record, it is this entry on pg. 138 of the book that portrays Cloud finding Aerith attractive: ---- [Cloud: In Sector 8] After successfully blowing up the No. 1 mako reactor, we have fled individually, separating for the time being so as to avoid drawing attention to ourselves. The rendezvous site is Sector 8 station, Midgar's last train of the evening -- Amongst people who were panicking over news of the terrorist attack, in a street dimmed due to the unstable flow of mako, I met a flower girl. Her eyes were impressive. She's about my age, or maybe a year or two older. However, that innocent look in her eyes makes her somehow look younger. Suddenly, I started to think of the color of my own eyes. Sign of being a SOLDIER exposed to mako, they give off a faint glow. This brand will never disappear, yet also now turns to oppose Shin-Ra ... "Excuse me ... What happened?" I bought a single flower, which are rare in Midgar, from the inquisitive woman. "Do you like them?" Perhaps she was relieved by selling the flower, for the anxious look vanished from the woman's face. If this smile cost only 1 gil, it was a purchase well made. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ secondmonologue_zps86e8298a.jpg Japanese text: ---- ［クラウド：八番街にて］ 壱番魔晄炉爆破に成功した俺たちは、人目につかぬように一度散開し、個別に 逃走することにした。ランデブー地点は八番街ステーション、ミッドガル 発最終列車--。 人々がテロ発生の情報に混乱するさなか、魔晄の供給が不安定になった薄暗い 街路で、俺はひとりの花売りに出会った。印象的な瞳の娘だった。歳のころは俺と 同じか、もしかしたらひとつやふたつ上かもしれない。ただ、その瞳に宿した無垢な 輝きが、不意に彼女を幼く感じさせる。ふと、自分の瞳の色が気になった。魔晄を 浴びたソルジャーであることを示す淡い輝き。この刻印 は神羅を敵にまわした今も、決して消えることはない……。 「ねえ……何かあったの？」 問いかけてくる娘から、ミッドガルでは珍しい花をひとつ買った。 「気に入ってくれた？」 花が売れたのがうれしかったのか、娘の顔から不安げな表情が消えた。この笑顔が 1ギルなら、安い買い物だったか。 ---- Maiden Who Travels the Planet does little more than any of what is described above, but does show us that Aerith herself believed her opportunity for romance with Cloud had passed. The story establishes very early on that the world of the living had become an alien place to her, and that she could no longer interact with them as one who is alive: (pg. 577 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- And she watched as the shadowy figures looked at her from the hazy world on the other side (the world of living things was already another world to her). ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo577_zpsaf3a40ae.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ ffviiuo577-2_zps4f616afe.jpg Japanese text: ---- そして、その向こうに霞む他界から（生けるものの世界は彼女にとってすでに 他界なのだ）自分を見っめる人影を。 ---- (pg. 578 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- The people she had been close to, such as her adoptive mother, Elmyra, and the comrades she had journeyed with to save the planet; as well as the people she knew only a little, and those she may have met in the future, but would now never see ?-- the truth was that she could no longer associate with "living people." ---- Source scans: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ withtheliving1_zps64352df4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ withtheliving2_zpsefd19934.jpg Japanese text: ---- 星を救うために一緒に旅をした仲間からたちや、彼女の面倒を15年も見てくれた育て の母エルミナをはじめとする近しい人たち、そしてわずかでも関わりを持った人々に、 未来に出会うことがあったのかも知れない、今はまだ見知れぬ人々--もう彼らと゛ 生きた人間゛として触れ合えないのは事実だからだ。 ---- Furthermore, toward the end of the story, as she watches Cloud and Tifa ascend from the Lifestream back to the living world, she voices a bit of jealousy for Tifa getting to be the one who will live out a normal lifetime with Cloud, and also entrusts her own feelings for Cloud to Tifa: (pg. 588 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega) ---- Both were enveloped in mako as they sank into the planet. Cloud's second time; Tifa's first experience. Aerith bet everything on this one chance. She eagerly turned her attention to Tifa, whose mind was being overwhelmed in the highly concentrated mako. Aerith guided her consciousness into Cloud's closed mind. In truth, she wanted to do it herself. However, Aerith could not play this role. Therefore, she entrusted it to Tifa. She entrusted Tifa with all the feelings she had for Cloud in her own heart. To the person who would "live" together with Cloud ... And Tifa succeeded. Comparing her memories with Cloud's memories, she looked for those things only the real Cloud could know. This serving as proof, the closed door was opened. She released the memories that were firmly locked up in the bottom of his heart; he didn't get to be a SOLDIER, but due to an ability from Jenova he had been imbued with, Cloud, an ordinary soldier, copied the traits of his best friend, Zack. She restored him to his natural personality rather than the fake one he had created to maintain his sense of self. "You did it, Tifa. Thank you ... I'm a bit jealous of you, but look after Cloud ?-- and the upper world too, please." Aerith watched as they returned to the surface with Tifa pulled up against Cloud, who was back to his senses. She smiled like an affectionate mother, though. ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ aerithblessing_zps084fc133.jpg Japanese text: ---- ふたりは魔晄に包まれ、星の内部へと落ちてくる。クラウドは再び、ティファは初めて の体験として。 この千載一遇のチャンスに、エアリスはすべてを賭けた。 高濃度の魔晄に浸かって混乱するティファに、エアリスは懸命に語りかける。その 意識を、クラウドの閉ざされた心の中へと誘導してやる。 本当なら、自分自身がやりたかったこと。けれどその役割はエアリスには 果たせない。だから彼女はティファに託す。ティファの中にある、クラウドを想心に すべてを委ねる。彼とともに、゛生きて゛いく者に--。そして、ティファにやり遂げる。 クラウドの記憶と自分の思い出を照合し、本当のクラウドにしか知り得ないはずの ことを探り当てる。 それが証明となって、閉じた扉は開かれた。ソルジャーにはなれず、植えつけられた ジェノバの能力で親友ザックスのくせを複製した一兵士クラウドを、強固な殼に 守られた記憶の奥底から引き揚げる。自我を保つために彼自身が創り上げた フェイクではない、本来あるべき人格へと再生させる。 「やったね、ティファ。ありがとう……ちょっとだけ妬けちゃうけど、クラウドのこと-- それから上の世界のこと、頼むね」 正気を取り戻したクラウドに、ティファが寄り添って地上に戻っていくのをエアリスは 見届ける。慈母のように、微笑みながら。 ---- Unless Aerith is a self-centered failure of a friend who hopes that Tifa won't get to have a romantic life with the man they both loved ?-- despite Aerith herself no longer being able to ?-- those feelings she entrusted to her would include her romantic inclinations as well. Being that Aerith isn't that selfish, though, it stands to reason that she gave Tifa her blessing to be with Cloud here. Personally, I like to think of Maiden as canon. I think it's a nice little story, and, given that it creates no overt contradictions with the recognized canon nor with the original game itself, it's a good fit. Thematically satisfying, it also creates a context in which Cloud is Zack's "living legacy" while Tifa is Aerith's, both of the departed having entrusted their hopes and dreams to these survivors. This grants another parallel to Zack and Aerith's sudden, unfair deaths, alongside the already striking similarities between Zack's spirit rising from his place of death in a circle of light while Aerith's body descended to its grave within another: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heroes1_zps4f47e5fb.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/ heroes2_zps2c6c3be7.jpg This theme is all the more remarkable given that Maiden was published four years before Crisis Core, which was made without any known input from Matsuyama. None of this should be too unexpected, though, I suppose. Cloud himself is a Zerith (ZackxAerith shipper) if Advent Children Complete's post-credits sequence is anything to go by. Aerith's flowers adorn Zack's grave. His sword stands mounted in the floorboards of her church. Come on now, even Cloud is on board. Disclaimer: The previous paragraph is a tongue-in-cheek joke. I'm just being facetious. Maybe. ==== A Stronger, Loving World [5.23510In] Having journeyed to this point in our analysis, one may wonder why some fans cling so fervently -- in defiance of the evidence -- to the notion of an ongoing romance between Cloud and Aerith, or, at the very least, an ongoing rejection of Tifa by Cloud while he instead honors Aerith's memory through loneliness. The reasons fans have debates over matters such as these are, after all, infinitely more fascinating than the debates themselves. Arguments aside as to whether it does greater honor to the dead to live on in solitude or to find the most enjoyment possible in one's remaining years, in this final section of our analysis, we will ponder the perspective of believing in Clerith as canon at the exclusion of also recognizing Cloti as such. We will also take into consideration the insight of a couple fans of the Clerith pairing itself, beginning with TheLifestream.net forum members Maidenofwar and JayM. Let us begin. Maidenofwar: ---- A lot of it is emotional, I think, based off initial reactions. I mean, people might insist it's not emotional and that their arguments are powered by logic and reasoning, and they might really believe that. Some explanations for scenes, quotes, etc. might even be/seem reasonable enough depending on who's giving them, but it's powered by emotions. I include myself in this, as I get quite emotional at times. Not just with Aerith/Clerith, but with other pairings I like, and even with games that I play, in thinking which is the best character or team to use in a fight. Stuff like that. Another thing; I think there's a sort of "first love" syndrome. Perhaps Aerith or Cloud was a person's first love, a character they grew really attached to the first time they encountered them. They indentified with them and seeing them together with someone they cared about, they indentified with that too. It's some sort of a beloved, special thing on a personal level, and now people don't want to move on and/or are finding it hard to do so. When you love something, it's hard to hear others try to explain it might not be quite what you thought it was. Sometimes it's hard to think about anything, really, that you might have been wrong about or that the way you saw/thought/felt about something might have been wrong. Sort of, "How could I have been so wrong about this?" or "How could I have been so wrong about that?" Another thing factoring into that, I think, is fear of ridicule. You think are others going to think you were so stupid for thinking such and such. "Are they going to make fun of me for what I believed?" So, rather than try to think things through, try to accept things and move on, you endlessly defend yourself against others since you think you are defending yourself and your beliefs. You don't want what you think is others thinking bad of you. Getting back more specifically to Clerith, time could be a factor. Maybe a person played the game years ago, the "first love" sort of thing kicked in, information comes to light eventually that is different from what you believed and it doesn't match up with your experience of playing the game. Maybe you think, "Does my experience not have as much value now or what?" Maybe you think in accepting the new information it devalues things you really enjoyed and/or that were beloved to you. More so, I think you wonder if others didn't see the value in scenes you enjoyed, then you don't want to see things devalued or think of things that might not really have value at all. Then you think if people find more value in other people, things, etc., does that somehow make you and the things you saw/valued/appreciated so much less valuable somehow? Another factor is canonicity. I think it offends people to get told to enjoy their fanon pairing and that it doesn't matter that it isn't canon when there are at least some official statements to back a pairing up. Again, going back to the devaluing thing, to some people, putting their pairing on the same level as something that isn't backed up in any way makes it seem less valuable or something. More so having to think of one pairing as canon and the other as not. For me personally, I think both girls are canon love interests. Cloud and both girls are couples officially endorsed by Square Enix, as well as Aerith/Zack, of course. Square Enix are no fools -- they know where to hit a person for their money. Speaking of Zack, I think some people just weren't prepared for his importance in the Compilation and have a hard time accepting it. Again, if Aerith had a thing with Zack and she ends up back with him, does that also devalue Clerith? Perhaps there's wondering if people really care about Aerith or just want her put away in a box with Zack, wrapped up in a ribbon, all nice and tidy like for convenience's sake. I think, for some, what Aerith does/thinks/says also carries a lot of weight, like if Aerith doesn't say it, it's not true. So, since Aerith has stuff saying she really did love Cloud, and loved him for himself, not Zack; that she thought of him as her beloved; and since there isn't anything they see that denounces Cloud being with her, acknowledging instead Zack as her one true love at the end -- e,g., stuff to say she was aware Zack realized her importance to him after escaping from the Shinra Mansion or her accepting all he did for her in trying to get back to her or her showing her gratitude for this and realizing she still had strong feelings for such a man who felt so strongly about her ... Well, since there wasn't anything like that, people have a hard time seeing a Zerith ending to the Compilation. ... Aerith is my favorite character and when I played FFVII years ago before Advent Children, Crisis Core and the Compilation came out, I fell in love with her and her story. How she was really into Cloud, how they seemed to grow so close in a short amount of time and everything. I was really rootin' for her. Plus the original FFVII seemed to paint Zack as a bit of a jerk. A relationship with which Aerith was quite unhappy at the end; Elmyra saying he broke Aerith's heart; the "ladies' man" stuff and Zack saying he had a girlfriend back in the city he could take Cloud to -- but, no, wait, the mum was there; and really not seeming all that bothered about getting back to Aerith ASAP. Maybe if I had played Crisis Core first I would have seen it differently, but this was already set in me and Aerith/Zack didn't really get a satisfactory resolution in my eyes. There was no make-up scene, no discussion about what happened or whatever. They didn't even get to hold hands in Advent Children's ending. You can't blame me for being confused by an apparent music video with Cloud and Aerith afterward and also a scene in Reminiscence where Cloud is apparently off/by his bike in the flower fields ... Also, if I remember right, Reminiscence featured a number of scenes with Cloud and Aerith during its story playback, ending with the hand reach/"I think I can meet her ... there" stuff ... So, that was happening while the bike/phonecalls/flower field thing was going on as well -- quite a treat for Clerith fans, on the whole. I don't think it's hard to understand why people might appreciate/wonder about that stuff anyway. Also, I saw that stuff first before playing Crisis Core and I don't have/have never seen Advent Children Complete yet. I accept/like both Clerith and Cloti, but Zerith just doesn't really do it for me. I don't really care that Cleris only lasted 2.5 minutes or whatever. Cloud and Aerith formed a special bond with romantic undertones, grew close in a short amount of time and Cloud treasures her memory. Personally, I enjoy the build-up/the build-up scenes it had, and nobody can ever ruin that for me. ---- JayM: ---- First off, regarding Aeris being dead -- I actually think that's one of the main reasons the LTD still exists. If she were alive, we could see for certain how real!Cloud interacts with both her and Tifa, and if he were still living with Tifa and raising kids with her in Advent Children, it'd pretty much answer the LTD right there (though I'm sure people would still argue it). With her being dead, though, the LTD becomes a question of "What sort of story do you think SE is telling?" and, to an even greater extent, I think, "What sort of story do you prefer?" Not saying that all of the LTD arguments are about personal preference, because, if nothing else, the debate forces people to dissect their feelings on the point and look for evidence instead. But the point that I'm trying to make is that a lot of those who end up Cloud/Aeris shippers literally played different games and watched a different movie. Please, any hardcore C/A shippers who disagree with what I'm saying, please feel free to correct me. I'm going solely by observation, here. Theirs is a tragic/triumphant love story, where the death of the hero's True Love at first throws him into despair, and then propels him to become stronger. It's a compelling story, and it's one that I feel can be supported by the text. It isn't a totally off-the-wall reading. But it's vastly different from what I think most people who wind up Cloud/Tifa shippers experience when they go through the Compilation (I miss being able to say just "play the game" ), and it definitely relies on a completely different interpretation of Cloud. ... Aeris has a significance beyond just being a girl that he may/may not be interested in. She's also The Hero's Girlfriend, both literally as Zack's ex and figuratively in the way that she first appears to Cloud -- a healer, a caretaker and someone to be protected. Regardless of where you fall on the shipping line, Aeris supports the illusion of Cloud's "hero" identity much more than Tifa, who is very physically capable and remembers Cloud when he was a weak little outcast. I think it's easy to read Disc 1 Cloud as preferring Aeris for this reason alone, outside of any chemistry or "world of their own." ... For what it's worth, I *do* think there's a valid ... I don't want to say "Clerith," in keeping with my belief that disproving one doesn't prove the other. But there's certainly an anti-CloTi -- at least within the timeframe of Advent Children -- argument to be made using cinematic intent. Now, I'm speaking as someone who's been in the same romantic relationship for ten years. Girlfriend and I have separate bedrooms *and* I have my own office, complete with yet another bed. In real life, offices and bedroom arrangements and the like don't mean anything about relationship status. However, in movies, showing the single bedroom is often shorthand for "romantically involved." Showing anything else? Is usually the opposite. So, I do think it's a fair argument to say the movie keeps it ambiguous. It's not an argument I agree with, but made from the standpoint of cinematic intent I think it's a perfectly logical one. Just my two cents. ---- Master Bates: ---- If I may say something that strengthens C/A, it's this one thing: *Aerith is dead*. So, yeah ... I agree with Ms. Angry Lesbian [(JayM)] that it's the main reason for the LTD's continued existence. How do I say it? I think a memory about the dead is beautiful, since when trying to remember them, we always tend to remember the good things and it becomes so bittersweet and nostalgic and painful that, for the most part, it's just plain beautiful. Had Aerith lived, I don't think C/A would have this compelling power to suck people in, to be honest. Aerith's death, while it remains its most visible weakness, is also the magic of C/A. It makes people think of "What if?" situations, and to writers, hopeless romantics, fans of tragic romances of imaginative mind -- it's an inspiration. So, yeah, I can understand people for liking it. ... The reason why I am skeptical of Cloud loving Aerith romantically is because I don't think he is capable of it on Disc 1. I am still under the impression that he wasn't interested in either girl during the span of that disc. Sure, he flirts and gets attracted to some extent, but falling in love? Disc 1 Cloud doesn't give me that vibe. He was more fixated on tracking down Sephiroth and ironing out the assfuckery inside his head. But I am not saying he isn't capable of having good relationships with them. I'm sure he wasn't completely "out of it" during that disc. If he was, then I would also doubt the friendships he formed with AVALANCHE during that time. It's just that he wasn't thinking about romance. ... I think Aerith, to Cloud, is a mystery. A mysterious girl he met at a mysterious time, who he has mysterious feelings for, which he is unable to explain. And she will always remain a mystery. ---- Moving now to this author's own thoughts on the matter, I believe all of the observations made above are accurate. I believe there's something else at work too, though: Aerith's legacy as someone people love. Nomura has said that if people didn't react strongly to Aerith's death, then it would mean they weren't successful with her as a character. Well, it may actually be that they were too successful with her. Here we have a character whose father was murdered protecting her just twenty days after her birth. A character who spent the first seven years of her life imprisoned in a lab for experimentation. A character whose mother died helping her escape. A character who then grew up in a filthy, crime-ridden slum. Who spent the rest of her life avoiding being taken back by the people who had already taken so much from her. Who fell in love with a man who disappeared without a word while she clung to his memory for five years. Who then met another man very much like him, and fell for him faster and harder than she had the first. Their friends notice their chemistry. One of them even predicts that they will be married. And then this character who has gone through so much, who endured all of it with a smile and a willingness to help others -- "She was smiling to the end" the man she loves will later note -- she is callously murdered before she gets the opportunity to explore these new, wonderful possibilities. She finally got a shot at something special, only for it to be stolen from her before she could properly experience it. It's unfair. It's simply too unfair. For those fans who met this character and fell in love with her, the idea that she had been through so much yet gets *nothing* in the end is just too much. Too unfair. Too coarse. Too disrespectful. The notion ruins the rest of the story for them, smashes any value it offers, and is a betrayal of the emotions they had invested in this character. When confronted with accepting that this is really the authorial intent at work, it's easier to reject it. To decide instead that the proclaimed, intended theme of life's harsh realities was not what the character's creators actually wanted to achieve with her death. That there is, instead, a special story hidden beneath the surface just for those who love the character enough to recognize that they would never really do that to her. So what if the new story makes the character they fell in love with into a selfish ghost who would deprive those yet living -- those who loved her while she was alive -- of security and a happy family? So what if it makes the man she loves into a vagabond of dubious loyalties who would take advantage of a woman's love for him while giving her nothing in return and even betray his promises to return home to a child who adores him? So what? The character they love has already lost all of that and so much more, while that other woman who also loves the man at least still has the luxury of getting to be alive and around him. What does it matter how unfair becomes anything else that must then be accepted as consequence? The most unfair act has already taken place. The most egregious betrayal has long since past. All that remains is picking up the pieces and shaping them into something that can be stomached, where at least the woman had the love of the man and didn't have to share it with anyone else. As others have noted, in some ways, this alternate story is one of a beautiful love that can defy literally all else -- even death, compassion and dignity. But it is not the story that was made for Aerith. It is not what the developers of Final Fantasy VII intended. At least on the part of those who argue that Cloti is canon, I think this is where you see most of the animosity in the LTD come from: Those who refuse to accept the unfair hand dealt Aerith must then begin cutting out parts of the story that don't fit the vision in which she gets Cloud's love at the exclusion of Tifa also having it. Meanwhile, for those who point out that Cloti is canon, they begin at the official statements about Tifa and Cloud's rapport, and it's never in question that Tifa gets Cloud as a person or that he was happy living with her. Some folks who see things in more Clerith-oriented ways saw Advent Children and probably read Case of Tifa, but largely overlooked interviews and Ultimanias while taking, by necessity, from what they did see a drastically different view of Tifa's role in Cloud's life -- as well as a drastically different view of Cloud himself. Whether the different view of Tifa leads to the different view of Cloud or if it's the other way around is unclear and probably unimportant. But suffice to say that many who see Clerith in Advent Children see Tifa as a well-intentioned but overbearing bungler who does more harm than good. When presented with metatextual statements to the contrary from the people who created the characters, these fans find it difficult to shake their initial reading, especially if they read somewhere how much Nomura wanted people to draw their own conclusions about a lot of things in the movie. The idea that there is an official answer to its questions is often antithetical to their understanding of the artistic objective of the film, and that notion can be doubly repulsive when presented with the evidence that the official answer contradicts their prior misconceptions and preferred interpretation. Basically, it's simple cognitive dissonance. Depending on the degree of attachment to the previously held interpretation (not even necessarily to the CloudxAerith pairing, but at least to the associated understanding of it), either the new information is accepted and the interpretation is adjusted, the information is retained for further consideration, or it is outright rejected with the rationale for it to follow later. Tone of delivery also plays a role in which results emerge. People tend to be less willing to abandon prior understanding when new information is presented to them in a condescending manner. Of course, openness to new information is ultimately the receiver's responsibility, regardless of how it's presented to them. In summary: People view Cloud and Tifa differently, and those different views -- despite how easily some can be demonstrated as inaccurate -- are one side of the coin at the core of LTD shenanigans. The other side is an unyielding demand that Aerith get her fair due -- which she never did. And that was the whole point. Continue reading for other valuable thoughts on the LTD from TheLifestream.net forum members. This author may not agree with all the opinions expressed, but they are all, nonetheless, insightful. Fairheartstrife: ---- I find it very telling that to "prove" Clerith you first have to disprove Cloti. In order for Cloud to love Aerith, you have to prove he doesn't love Tifa. I have never, ever seen a Clerith argument that wasn't built on a foundation of attempting to disprove CloudxTifa. And yet, for Cloti, you just have to let it be. He loves Tifa. End of. There is absolutely no need to disprove he loved Aerith, because, well, there's no evidence he ever did. For Cloti to work, you just have to follow the story. No suppositions, no hidden meanings, no alternate interpretations. It's just *there*. ---- Unlucky: ---- That's the problem with the Highwind scenes. Some people assume that the existence of two versions automatically means that they are the opposite of one another completely. For clarity's sake, the Low Affection scene does not say that Cloud and Tifa 1) *hate* or are disinterested in each other because they confessed love on the other scene, or 2) decided to be *only* friends because they wanted to be much more in the other version. Yes, those are actual arguments I've read from the other side, and they are not true. The Low Affection scene being apathetic is a result of the lack of points you, as Cloud, failed to accumulate in order for Tifa to be comfortable enough to show that she wants your Buster Sword. It does not change the fact that she likes Cloud romantically and vice versa. And about Cloud and Tifa not being showy and mushy all over: I don't think people who argue that they aren't a couple because of such a reason don't necessarily know what love is in real life. They just expect that, from a video game, where everybody looks insanely gorgeous and everything is fantasy, love must be this magical, eternal force that is never touched by mistakes or sadness or hurt whatsoever. They don't have to have twisted ideas about love in real life to come up with such conclusions. They just have a problem with the Compilation's approach. ---- Kittie: ---- I do believe that Cloud showed an interest in Aerith. As Tres and so many others have pointed out with some of what Kitase and Nojima have said, there was something that Cloud must've felt for Aerith, although he obviously had feelings for Tifa, too. I'm not for sure how deep his affections for Aerith went romantically, but I do believe he felt some degree of affection for her. And this may be the less analytical side of me speaking, but I genuinely want to believe that it was the Cloud-Cloud part of him and not the Zack-Cloud part that did feel something for her -- but I honestly can't determine either way, since he was so messed up on the first disc. However, I also believe that -- after the Lifestream event, as well as the High Affection Highwind scene -- his feelings for Tifa were established as something a little more, especially since, if you take the High Affection Highwind scene as canon, he confirmed his feelings with her. Either way, though, I believe he will always hold Aerith close in his heart. I'm just not for sure if it's of a romantic nature now. If Aerith had lived, and Tifa had stayed in the background, then, yes, there could've been something more between them, certainly. As of now, though, I believe they have a very deep spiritual connection that transcends beyond that of romantic love. I'm not for sure if that makes any sense, but that's how I view his relationship with Aerith. I really believe he places both Zack and Aerith on the same level now, as two people who will always have a place in his heart. And that gives me so many feels! ^.^ ---- supergumbo: ---- Another thing that's a bit unsettling to me about the Clerith perspective is that Cloud's heart should be solely indebted to Aerith for the rest of his life -- that it has to be this romantic love beyond death despite them knowing each other for a mere few weeks and not even having an established relationship yet. I'm sorry, that shit only flies for long-time married couples. Cloud is a young guy in his early 20s, he just defeated his nemesis, and is finally living a normal life. You want him to waste his life away moping for a dead girl he only knew for a few weeks? Not only that, it has to be this creepy soul fusion thing where she's inside him at all times, even when he sleeps and goes to the bathroom? What. The. Fuck. I don't think even a fanfiction romance novel can reach this level of bad. I doubt anybody that actually likes Cloud would want this for him. Look, if Tifa was the one to be impaled instead, I'd want Cloud to move on with Aerith 110 percent, no question. SE did the right thing with the story direction. ---- Minato Arisato: ---- The Cloud that Aerith meets was the same as Zack yet different. Aerith wanted to meet the real Cloud. *But she never did*. The Cloud that Aerith grew close to was an overgrown lie that Cloud wore for *Tifa's* sake. An idea based on his perceptions of what a SOLDIER should look like, memories extracted from Tifa's mind of the cool loner uninterested in her that she saw Cloud as during their childhood, and Zack's stories. He took that persona because he was at a vulnerable state and was confronted with Tifa, the person he'd promised to return to as a SOLDIER 1st Class. And he did everything he could to be the person he thought would most impress her. That's the tragic love story of FFVII right there. ---- Danseru-kun: ---- The moment Cloud fell into her church and they escaped Reno, there is an instant chemistry between them that I didn't see with Tifa. It's like Aerith, the pretty girl in pink, was the obvious love interest while Tifa is the supporting pretty, tough girl that will be friendzoned. And it is true that meeting Aerith does send Cloud and the party into a series of events that will set their path for the entire game. Aerith -- being also the flirty, very forward woman -- was scoring points with Cloud while Tifa was just there trying to aid him in whatever way she can. It's also a bonus that Aerith was the last Cetra and Cloud resembled her first love, thus setting new mysteries and plot advancement. What match can a childhood friend who has no special bloodline like Tifa be to a heroine like Aerith who has a much grander role? Moreover, Aerith's date was the default one. When Tifa was just there being with Cloud, Aerith was separated from him when she went to the Forgotten Capital. This sets up a "man chasing a woman" feel to the game, especially when Cloud was running toward her in their dream. Now, when Cloud was supposed to reunite with Aerith the next step in the formula is a love confession -- but then she was murdered. To many people, this is a classic romance cut short by evil. I saw things differently. I think Aerith's death was part of shattering the illusion. Aerith -- the girl in the dress, the healer, the destined one -- was not just meant to be merely the love of the hero. She was to symbolize the harshness and realism of death and yet she would be a heroine that would triumph over evil because she was able to accomplish her mission. Despite this, Aerith was able to see the real Cloud. She was able to love the real him under the illusion, but she did not live long enough for her to see him come out of his shell. But when she could not be with him in life, her spirit continued to watch over him. It seems that even illusions can't get in Aerith's way, and death can't stop her also. On Cloud's part, the cocky hero was just an illusion formed from his best friend that was Aerith's first love. I think the illusion that Aerith would be alive and together with Cloud comes with the shattering of the illusionary Cloud. He was nobody, probably just a clone, his memories of being a great SOLDIER were false and he's lost his sense of himself. Then Tifa comes in. True, she does not possess the appearance of a healer like Aerith and was instead a fighter, but she was the one who wanted to support Cloud and be by his side. So, again, this is another illusion shattered. Tifa wasn't just an action girl that is an accessory. She was to support Cloud not in combat alone, but in finding his true self. She's not meant for something of a grand scale like Aerith's role, but her role is a small, tender and intimate one with Cloud in the Lifestream when they bared their souls together. Also, she was always there for Cloud from the beginning to the end, when he's weak and when he's strong, juxtaposing the fact that Cloud was the one who promised to help her when she's a pinch. She wanted to be the damsel but she fought right beside him. She believed that he could be someone great way before anybody thought he could be. And she did get her wish, and Cloud was also able to fulfill his promise to her. Also, the real Cloud was just like her: extraordinary people from a simple background. The real Cloud wasn't an accomplished SOLDIER, but a country boy wanting to impress a girl. They were ordinary people who were victimized by Shinra and forced to fight on because of what happened to them. Yet this simple, supposedly unimpressive but real Cloud was actually stronger than his illusion, defeating Sephiroth as he is. ---- And, thus, ends our analysis -- almost four years after this article's original publication in September of 2009, and close to two years after major revisions began in October 2011. This will be the final update. Never again will I debate this matter. New information may yet come. The context and relevance of older information may change. My opinions may even change in light of new data as it becomes available. No matter, this article will stand for all time as it does today. Too much time and effort has already gone into it, and I have more rewarding endeavors to explore elsewhere. I do hope that all who have taken the time to read this -- bless your masochistic souls -- have found some edification in it. I hope that you do not feel your time has been wasted. And most of all, I hope that there may yet be peace between fans of Final Fantasy VII. We should all enjoy it together. Life is too short and there's too much crap to get in the way of enjoying it already. I mean, really. It's a great game. It has a captivating story and characters who you begin to see as family by the end of your journey with them, warts and all. Perhaps it's those flaws that make them feel more like family. But remember: It's a goddamn video game. You're supposed to enjoy it. Shademp: ---- As a person who is, most of the time, not fully immersed in this debate, I do get periods of doubt. "Maybe TLS is looking too deep into stuff," "maybe this quote shouldn't be taken a certain way," etc. But then I see hito make clear the nuances of important Japanese quotes. I become reminded by him, Tres and other people of the relevant quotes which settle who Cloud has paired up with: Tifa. The only reason I doubt is that my disinterest in the LTD makes me forget about the existence and true meaning of certain quotes. If it wasn't for those few, important statements in complementary material, I would have no idea who Cloud is more romantically involved with because I'm the type of guy who needs concrete confirmation of romance in stories, either via confessions or displays of physical intimacy. The scenes between Cloud, Aerith and Tifa are just too vaguely written for me to draw any conclusions. But the research and conclusions done by the FFVII scholars of TLS are reasonable. Only two scenarios are at this point possible: 1) Cloud loves Tifa romantically and only Tifa 2) Cloud loves Tifa romantically AND has romantic feelings for Aerith as well ... To repeat myself, I find it interesting just how tough it is to interpret the love triangle dynamic. There is good reason that Tres has had to write a *book* about the matter. For those not academically invested in the discussion, the interpretation can go either way. ---- Knuxson: ---- I think Cloud very well could or did love Aerith. The writers at least tried to portray her as the main love interest during Disc 1 while putting Tifa more into the "old friend" category, even though she had feelings for Cloud. You can get around seeing a lot of it with the dialogue choices, but there are a few scenes, such as Cait Sith's compatibility test, that you can't avoid. I think it was the writers' intent that Cloud loved Aerith or at least was strongly attracted to her (because I am not sure you can say they were hopelessly in love; it doesn't definitively show they were, but it definitely shows they cared about each other). But, again, Cloud doesn't remember during Disc 1 that he was in love with Tifa during his entire life before he was messed up by Hojo. This -- coupled with the scenes in the Lifestream, the Highwind scene and the Compilation -- all show that, despite how much he cared about Aerith, the real Cloud didn't stop loving Tifa after he rediscovered himself. I don't think this cheapens what he and Aerith had, but his love for Tifa is a core aspect of who he is. It molded his childhood and teenage years (pining after her and attempting to join SOLIDIER because of her). Cloud obviously wanted to be with Tifa for *years*, so it would be very strange if, when she finally reciprocated, he decided against it. But Aerith was very important to him too, don't get me wrong. And I don't claim he stopped caring about her when he rediscovered himself. Despite how messed up he was during Disc 1, the real Cloud was still in there. Aerith was kind of the shining light of the group, and everyone was devastated when she died, especially Cloud. Was he *deeply* in love with her? Eh, I don't think so. But he most likely was at least in the early stages of attraction/puppy love, which only heightened how much he cared about her (and how devastating her death was). There was a lot of potential there, but Aerith was taken away before it could really develop into something akin to real, deep love. My point in all this is to say that I think he did love both women, but to different degrees. One woman he loved his entire life and desperately desired to be good enough for her, except for a short period when his memory was incomplete. The other he only knew during the period he couldn't remember how he felt about the first woman. However, he did have a strong bond with her and they got along extremely well and had a kind of fun, flirty dynamic. But the first woman is the one he expresses deep, tender feelings for and the one that becomes his companion for the rest of his life. ---- ==== -Special Thanks: Quexinos; hitoshura; Ryushikaze; MakoEyes987; JayM; Shademp; espritduo; Maidenofwar; the staff and members of TheLifestream.net and Cloud x Aerith forums ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Firion's influence on Cloud [5.236In] In this article, I have the pleasure of presenting one of the best theories to ever emerge from the Final Fantasy fandom -- conceived, written and performed here by infamous LTD-debater Ryushikaze. You can find him over at TheLifestream.net if you ever want to debate with him. But be warned: Have a reasoned argument prepared. For copyright purposes, this text should be looked at as Ryushikaze's, and the idea was definitely his. Without further ado: ---- So, recently, a few hours ago, in fact, I read the power tier list on the front page of TheLifestream.net and noted that SoS had ranked Firion at the bottom of his list: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-dissidia/5418/definitive-and-absolute- power-level-tier-list/ While I didn't really disagree with this idea -- he is the only hero on the list who is 'merely' human, after all, but I noticed his one extraordinary ability, his apparent telekinesis, which is a major aspect of his fighting style, was not mentioned. I contacted him regarding this omission, and as we talked, the discussion turned to fighting styles, and how, though Firion might be at the bottom of the list, his skill with weapons is near the top. This, and thinking of if any of the other heroes could handle his quick weapon change style made me realize something -- Firion's style is very similar to several tricks Cloud does -- throwing his sword, his advancing dual wield slice through a building, and Omnislash V6 during the course of ACC. Now, this is not to say Cloud actually learned these abilities from Firion in the course of his personal timeline -- though given Dissidia's status as a cross universal sidestory, it's technically possible -- and this idea is not in fact concerned with whether or not Cloud could have learned these techniques from Firi, or even if this connection was intentional, merely the narrative satisfaction of such events. Let us look at Dissidia. In this game, Firi's fighting style is fleshed out for the first time ever, and some of his most notable abilities are his 'Reel Axe', in which he throws an axe at an enemy, which both returns to Firion after travelling in a direct line, but also pulls the enemy along with it so Firi may attack them further. He also has 'Double Trouble', a rising attack that links between several blows of an axe and a sword held in either hand, an attack which chains from 'Reel Axe' as well as several other techniques. Also especially of note is 'Weaponmaster', in which Firion uses his telekinesis to hold his weapons out in front of him and have them repeatedly attack his foe at range. The specific significance of these techniques as they relate to the narrative of ACC will be dealt with momentarily, so keep them, especially 'Weaponmaster' in mind. Now, in Dissidia, Cloud's primary conflict is not having a thing to fight for, which is contrasted with his ally Firion, who spends the entire game fighting for his dreams, the dream of a peaceful world -- a dream Cloud tests and approves of -- represented by the wild rose. During the course of this story, Firion fights and is defeated by Sephiroth, and his rose, his symbol, is taken from him. Cloud, later in the story, fights and defeats Sephiroth to retrieve this symbol and return it to Firion, in the process taking this dream of a peaceful world for everyone as his own. Now this could, and in Dissidia, does, mark a satisfactory end to this tale. However, that does not mean it's not possible for it to be referenced in 'later' tales, which ACC is, both in Cloud's personal chronology, and by the release dates of both materials as the Japanese Dissidia was completed several months before Advent Children Complete, which means that it is more possible for events in the latter to deliberately reference the former, instead of being accidental. Now, in Advent Children Complete, Cloud saves his adopted son Denzel by taking one of the blades of his six part sword, and throwing it to that it flies through the air, strikes all the monsters menacing the child, and then returns to him in a 'Reel Axe' analogue, indicating that Cloud, much like Firion in Dissidia, can direct his weapons without the need to actually touch them. Immediately after using the analogue for 'Reel Axe', he begins wielding the blade thrown and his other sword to advance through the wreckage of a falling building to save Tifa, the woman he lives with, and uses alternating slashes from each blade to clear the wreckage obstructing his path- a possible analogue to 'Double Trouble' which chains off of the 'Reel Axe' which, as mentioned, Cloud had just used an analogue of. This is very possibly a roundabout example of narrative satisfaction, as just before using these two analogues to save Denzel and Tifa, he sees images of the deaths of Zack and Aerith, two people whose deaths he feels responsible for, and who he blames himself for not being able to save. A major narrative theme for Zack was to have a dream, to hold onto his dream, and a major recurring theme with Aerith is flowers. Both of these themes, Dreams and Flowers, are found in Firion, whose existence and his defeat by Sephiroth could be narrative stand-ins for Zack and Aerith and their demises, but with more positive resolutions -- to show Cloud that he can make a difference. In this way, by using Firion's techniques to save the lives of his woman and child while simultaneously flashing back to two lives he could not save, Cloud could narratively be using his positive experience with Firion, the Zack and Aerith stand-in, to prevent a repeat of the negative experience of losing both of the friends he represents. The final, and most satisfactory possible narrative connection to Firion and Dissidia comes at the climax of Cloud's battle with Sephiroth, in which he makes all of his swords come apart, fly into a circle around Sephiroth, and then uses spirit energy to move these weapons to attack independently of himself, in a technique eerily reminiscent of Firion's 'Weaponmaster' attack. To use an attack of the weakest of the warriors of Cosmos, whom Sephiroth had soundly defeated, to lay the final blow to Sephiroth himself, is both a perfectly fitting end to their battle, to Show Sephiroth how far Cloud had come, and to further drive home to Sephiroth how soundly defeated he just had been. That where once Sephiroth was unstoppable, even now, at his best, even the techniques of one he had previously utterly defeated, were now sufficient to defeat him soundly. And intentional or not, that's a satisfactory narrative conclusion. Addendum: Keep in mind, I am not saying any of this actually is the case, just that if it is, it is actually a well executed usage of a side story influencing a major part of the narrative without being necessary for the enjoyment or understanding of the main story, or vice versa. ---- [Follow-up note by Glenn Morrow: Dissidia itself certainly indicates to us that Firion reminded Cloud of Zack, and, thus, would have been in a position to leave a lasting influence on him. If using Firion against Cloud in the English version of the game, the latter may say, "You look like a friend of mine." In the Japanese version, the statement was simply, "You remind me of a friend."] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) Cloud's Fusion Swords as a metaphor for his development [5.237In] This article is the brainchild of one DrakeClawfang, a guy who posts over at TheLifestream.net. Here, he has an *amazing* analysis of Cloud in Advent Children. *This* is the way film is supposed to be read. For copyright purposes, this article should be looked at as Drake's. It is my honor to present it here, and I thank him for permission to do so. Enjoy: ---- Cloud at the beginning of AC has gone off his own, pretty much forsaken his teammates and lived alone in the church. At this time he only uses the Main Blade to fight and that's the only one he's seen carrying around. To expand this further, let's look at the other blades. The Hollow Blade slides over the Main Blade, while the Back Blades connect to the back of the Main Blade. Together, the three of them form the basis of the Buster Sword shape the completed swords take on. The two Side Blades don't provide such a critical function but are still an important part of the overall construct. In AC/C, and his life as a whole, who are the most important people in Cloud's life? Easy - Tifa, Zack, Aerith, Denzel and Marlene. Obviously, Tifa, Aerith and Zack symbolize the Hollow Blade and the two Back Blades, as they are the three most important to shaping Cloud's character. Marlene and Denzel are thus naturally, the two smaller Side Blades. Together, the five of them are the people closest to Cloud. You can go a bit further with that - Tifa, as Cloud's future, is the front Hollow Blade, while Zack and Aerith, Cloud's past, are the Back Blades. Throughout AC/C, Cloud reaffirms his bonds to those people - he reunites with his family and has visions of Aerith (and Zack in ACC). And it's as Cloud makes these connections again that he begins to add more swords to the Main Blade in his fights, rediscovering the love and support of those close to him and using more than just his primary weapon to battle. From the Forgotten City to the Bahamut battle to the Kadaj battle, Cloud steadily adds more and more of the auxiliary swords to the Main Blade as he becomes more confident in who he is and fights to protect the people he loves. The Main Blade (Cloud) alone isn't enough to win, he has to use the auxiliary swords (Tifa/Aerith/Zack/Marlene/Denzel) to strengthen the Main Blade so it can be strong enough. The Sephiroth battle is the pinnacle of this - Cloud unleashes his ultimate attack, Omnislash Version 5/6. He battles Sephiroth with the combined sword, then separates it and finishes him off. It's suitable Cloud does this right after Sephiroth threatens what he cherishes, and Cloud has his iconic "there's not a thing I don't cherish" retort. By responding to Sephiroth's threat with this final attack, Cloud is symbolically (and literally) attacking him with the courage and strength given to him by those around him. It's perfectly fitting that when Sephiroth threatens to take those things away, Cloud uses all six weapons individually, yet acting through one attack, to take him down, finishing off, of course, with a slash from the Main Blade. And, most blatant, when all six swords combine, when Cloud fights with the strength of his loved ones, the Fusion Swords become the Buster Sword - a symbol of pride, courage, honor and heroism. ---- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) Deconstructing the antihero [5.238In] Final Fantasy VII's hero is dead before the game even begins. The tone is pretty much set from there. Reminiscent of cheerful, energetic and noble anime heroes such as Vash the Stampede of "Trigun" and Goku of the "Dragonball" series, Zack -- the young SOLDIER 1st Class who befriends Cloud -- is brutally gunned down in a flashback that takes place shortly before the main events of the game begin. Gunned down protecting Cloud, who shortly thereafter will go on to be reminiscent of such anime antiheroes as Vegeta -- also of "Dragonball" fame -- and especially Guts of "Berserk." This "badass" classification of characters, with strength and personalities like that which Cloud demonstrates early in the game -- typically as brutal as any villain and serving the overall good only as a side effect of serving themselves -- are typically promoted by the narratives in which they're presented. They're mysterious, alluring and -- for lack of a better word -- cool. They often perform impressive feats all on their own, even as they begrudgingly accept a need for friends or help, and are usually respected by their more heroic comrades. FFVII, however, is anything but an endorsement of this kind of character. In this game, the badass is stripped bare, his insecurities and flaws laid bare for the world to see. In terms of western comic books, Cloud is more of a Marvel Comics hero than a DC Comics hero. He's no Superman, no monument to heroism and confidence in the path he walks. He's more of a Spider-Man -- an awkward, socially ostracized teenager who ends up with superhuman abilities, but still has the perspective and concerns of a teenager. More accurately, he's more like Spider-Man with guns and the Punisher's approach to situations. We are talking antiheroes, after all. Rather than FFVII's narrative promoting Cloud's behavior, this aloof and cocky jerk -- as he demonstrates himself to be for much of the game early on -- is revealed to be a complete mental wreck with no good reason to be full of himself. He's also suffering from at least one psychosis, his memories and perception of himself significantly at odds with reality. Quite pathetically in fact, this stuck-up, unpleasant persona is Cloud's ultimate version of himself. The truth is that Cloud is an awkward and unconfident person -- and significantly more compassionate than his alternate, ideal personality would have indicated. Sephiroth, who is of the same classification, is a similar sort of character. His mind snaps and he slaughters a town full of people over something they had nothing to do with. And that's the person Cloud had idolized! In the end, it is only by accepting how weak he actually is that Cloud is able to become strong. Quite a few more rungs to be tore down than the usual antihero, who may only have to accept that he or she needs help sometimes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -4-Aerith [5.24In] 1) Did Aerith sacrifice herself? [5.241In] One of the larger misunderstandings of Final Fantasy VII has always been that Aerith intentionally sacrifced herself for the planet, knowing that her death would be needed in order to save the world. Not the case, however. In the May 2003 issue of EDGE magazine (issue #123), there is a six-page "Making of..." feature on Final Fantasy VII in which Yoshinori Kitase (director and co-scenario writer of FFVII) and Tetsuya Nomura (character designer of the game) were interviewed and asked about Aerith's death. During the course of this interview, Nomura says the following (pg. 112): "Back at the time we were designing the game, I was frustrated with the perennial cliche where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love. We found this was the case in both games and movies, both eastern and western. But I wanted to say something different, something realistic. I mean, is it right to set such an example to people?" Kitase follows that up with this (pp. 112-113): "In the real world, things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad attached to it. It leaves not a dramatic feeling, but a feeling of emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood." With Kitase's words about death being unexpected in mind, consider Cloud's dream in which he speaks to Aerith in the Sleeping Forest. Aerith intended to handle Sephiroth on her own, and then come back: ---- Aerith "And let me handle Sephiroth." Aerith "And Cloud, you take care of yourself." Aerith "So you don't have a breakdown, okay?" Cloud "What is this place?" Aerith "This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is called Sleeping Forest." Aerith "It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor." "That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the Cetra, like me, can do it." Aerith "The secret is just up here." Aerith "At least it should be. ...I feel it. It feels like I'm being led by something." Aerith "Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over." ---- Also consider Tifa's insight into her friend's intentions: ---- Tifa "I wonder what Aerith felt... when she was on that altar...?" Cloud "I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet..." Tifa "Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all." "I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned on coming back all along." "She always used to talk about the 'Next time'." "She talked about the future more than any of us..." ---- Here, the in-game dialogue serves to contradict the notion that Aerith deliberately sacrificed herself. If that weren't enough, two of the game's core developers stated that the exact opposite of sacrifice was intended by that development. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Was Aerith's death necessary to summon Holy? [5.242In] Another common misunderstanding from the old days of FFVII debate concerns Aerith's death and Holy. Namely: Was it required that she die to cast the spell? Aerith's death actually wasn't needed for it to work at all. The fact that Aerith didn't intend to die nor know that she would alone is enough to suggest it isn't so, but we'll examine the matter in more depth without focusing on that alone. First, consider that the Black Materia -- the key to activating Meteor,the Ultimate Destructive Magic -- didn't require a death in order to summon Meteor. While true that the Cait Sith No. 1 construct remained in the Temple of the Ancients and was crushed while the temple transformed into the materia -- as someone had to remain inside for the temple to shrink -- this was to undo the Cetra's security around the object and make the materia accessible, not to actually use the materia itself. The White Materia -- the key to activating Meteor's opposite, Holy, the Ultimate White Magic -- shouldn't be any more likely to require death than the Black Materia, or any other for that matter. Despite the great destructive power of Meteor, it was never implied that it required such a sacrifice to function. Also consider this: Sephiroth knew how the Black Materia worked from absorbing knowledge in the Lifestream. Knowing how the Black Materia worked, Sephiroth would logically also know how the White Materia worked. And quite obviously Sephiroth DID know about the White Materia, as he attempted to kill her before she could summon Holy, and was also holding Holy back for the second half of the game after Aerith summoned it. If it were true that Aerith' death was required for Holy to work, then it would have been counterproductive to Sephiroth's plan to cause it. If Sephiroth's intentions were to summon Meteor, initiating the key to activating Holy would be to undermine that entire plan. Further consider that it is thoroughly explained in-game how activating Holy is done, and it isn't mentioned then that a sacrifice is required: ---- Bugenhagen "If a soul seeking Holy reaches the planet, it will appear." ---- Many took this to mean that Aerith's spirit had to rejoin the Lifestream in order to activate Holy. However, when put with the rest of what Bugenhagen says, this is shown to not be the case. "Reaching" the planet in this case merely meant "communicating with the planet" through the White Materia: ---- Cloud "Search for Holy... How do we do it?" Bugenhagen "Speak to the planet." "Get the White Materia... This will bond the Planet to humans." Bugenhagen "Then speak to the planet." "If our wish reaches the planet, the White Materia will begin to glow a pale green." ---- The matter was as simple as that. Anyone who had the White Materia could have prayed for Holy and "reached" the planet, as the White Materia opened a line of communication between its holder and the planet itself. The concept of establishing a link between oneself and the planet through the White Materia is no different than using any other materia, as each one contains the knowledge of those who have lived and died in the past, with these memories acting as a link between the wielder of the materia and the planet: (Stated by Sephiroth in Nibelheim during the mission there five years before the main events of the game) ---- "...the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients is held in the materia." "Anyone with this knowledge can freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts between ourselves and the planet calling up magic..... or so they say." ---- Going beyond that which has been discussed to this point, if dying was the key to activating Holy, Aerith could have as easily thrown herself off a cliff or stood out in the open and called out to Sephiroth to come kill her rather than going about things as she did. Even the FFVII Ultimania Omega guide makes no mention of death being required to summon Holy (pg. 215), saying merely that the mind of the White Materia's wielder must be linked to the planet. This is not to take anything away from Aerith, or to say that what she did wasn't heroic. She was certainly brave, displaying heroism in traveling to the City of the Ancients on her own, and in her willingness to endanger herself while trying to keep her friends out of the line of fire. This is merely to clarify the facts surrounding Aerith's deeds. With all that said, her death was still a stroke of luck on the planet's part and would lead to its rescue, as discussed in the next article of this section. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Why Holy failed and Aerith's role in saving the world [5.243In] Another longstanding mystery of FFVII, I had my own theory about why Holy failed to stop Meteor on its own. Though that theory was ultimately at odds with what Square Enix published as the real answer, I nonetheless like my explanation and will keep it in print here. I'll also provide the official explanation. When Holy collided with its polar opposite, Meteor, in the sky over Midgar, it seemed that deliverance had arrived for the people of Gaia and the planet itself. However, the spell seemed to then fail and be overpowered by the Ultimate Destructive Magic. Why was this? Was it because the planet had deemed it better to allow Meteor to pass, so as to annihilate the homo sapiens responsible for the planet's troubles? No. Were that the case, having Holy attack Meteor to begin with would have been unnecessary. For that matter, if the planet was deliberately targeting homo sapiens, then based on what Bugenhagen learned of Holy while in the City of the Ancients, the spell should have been able to remove both Meteor and the people troubling the planet. After all, Holy was supposed to remove all that the planet felt was bad for itself. Why, then, does Holy fail? What does Red XIII mean about it having "the opposite effect"? My theory in days past was bound up in what Nanaki had said right before this: "It's too late for Holy. Meteor is approaching the planet." What did this mean? Why was it too late for Holy? In what way? Meteor's proximity to the planet was a part of this problem for what reason? My belief was once that -- due to being held back by Sephiroth for so long -- Holy had weakened, and, by the time it was able to go into conflict with the unweakened Meteor -- the other spell was simply the stronger of the two and was assimilating Holy's power, turning it toward Meteor's own destructive purpose. After all, as Holy parted for Meteor to come through, its color changed to red and a powerful storm kicked up that added to the destruction taking place. It was my belief that Aerith then guided the Lifestream to add power to Holy and bring its strength at least equal to that of Meteor, such that the two spells -- being equal, but opposite -- would cancel each other out. I still think this makes a lot of sense and matches up with what we see visually, but, then, the official explanation isn't too bad either. According to Chapter 7 of Maiden Who Travels the Planet, the short novella starring Aerith featured in the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide, the extreme gravitational force that lay between the planet and Meteor -- here explained as the cause of the storm that struck Midgar -- caused Holy to be ineffective against Meteor (pg. 591). Rather than destroying Meteor, the gravity pulling on Holy in opposite directions resulted instead in its power being unable to focus directly on Meteor, adding to the destructive effects of the situation. It was here that the Lifestream came into play. Guided by Aerith and the consciousnesses within the Lifestream (including Jessie, Biggs, Wedge, Dyne, and Zack), the planet's great pool of life rose up from within the bowels of the earth and pushed back against Meteor, reducing the powerful gravitational pull on Holy, and allowing it to then apply its full force against Meteor, destroying it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Was Aerith ever intended to be revived? [5.244In] One of the most discussed matters among FFVII's fandom for several years after the game's release was whether Aerith was intended to be revivable after her death. I can't emphasize enough that this was fiercely, fiercely investigated and debated. There were forum debates running hundreds of posts, hackings of the game via GameShark in the hopes of discovering some left behind dialogue or cutscenes that would hint at a revival, and rumors, theories and outright fabrications too numerous to count that would be THE way to bring Aerith back to life. For a good laugh, look up Ben Lansing's Original Aeris Rumor sometime. The truth, of course, is that there was no alternate storyline for the game in the event that Aerith was brought back to life or even saved before being killed at the end of Disc 1. There was no sidequest to do it, no hack that would allow it, and no matter how many of those damn Tissue or 1/35 Soldier items you got, she was going to remain in that lake in the City of the Ancients. Reviving Aerith was as possible as breeding a silver chocobo, riding it into the Midgar Zolom marsh, and then fighting Onyx Weapon: It plain wasn't. GameShark hacking did reveal that there were bits of unusued dialogue that Aerith could say in parts of the game that occurred after her death in the story, but, then, Cid had lines programmed for the Mythril Mines, so that was no big deal. Nothing of any major significance that may have hinted at a revival of Aerith was ever found, though quite a few dedicated individuals kept the search up for some time. The matter was put to rest with finality by the May 2003 EDGE magazine interview with Tetsuya Nomura and Yoshinori Kitase mentioned under the "Did Aerith sacrifice herself?" article above. At this point, I wish to present the most important bit of information that argues against the notion of an Aerith resurrection having ever been intended: The proof. During an interview in the May 2003 issue of EDGE magazine, Tetsuya Nomura (Character Designer of Final Fantasy VII) and Yoshinori Kitase (Director and Co-Scenario Writer of Final Fantasy VII) speak on their respective intentions and hopes for Aerith's death, and touch upon the matter of a resurrection. Directly addressing fans' responses to Aerith's death and the possibility of reviving her, Kitase said this (pg. 113): "The world was expecting us to bring her back to life, as this is the classic convention. But we did not. We had decided this from the beginning. There was a lot of reaction from Japanese users. Some of them were very sad about it, while others were angry. We even received a lengthy petition addressed to our scenario writer asking for Aerith's revival. But there are many meanings in Aerith's death and that could never happen." And with that, the Internet breathed a sigh of relief as the weight of all those forum discussions began to ease. Now, if only the Love Triangle Debate would receive a lasting execution as well, the entire world could breathe a collective sigh of relief. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Did the death of Hironobu Sakaguchi's mother inspire Aerith's death? [5.245In] A common misunderstanding back in the day was that the death of executive producer -- and father of Final Fantasy -- Hironobu Sakaguchi's mother inspired the death of Aerith. While it was Tetsuya Nomura's idea to kill off Aerith rather than Sakaguchi's, that wasn't widely known until the May 2003 interview with EDGE magazine referenced in articles above. This misunderstanding came from an interview Sakaguchi had with PlayStation Underground in 1997. In the second issue of the quarterly CD publication, an interview with Sakaguchi was included in which he discussed the production of Final Fantasy VII. While answering the question "Are there any new themes in Final Fantasy VII?" he answered with the following: "When we were creating Final Fantasy III, my mother passed away, and ever since I have been thinking about the theme 'life.' Life exists in many things, and I was curious about what would happen if I attempted to analyze life in a mathematical and logical way. Maybe this was my approach in overcoming the grief I was experiencing. This is the first time in the series that this particular theme actually appears in the game itself. See if you can spot it!" At some point, many fans came to the understanding that "Final Fantasy III" was referring to the game labeled as "Final Fantasy III" when released on the SNES in North America. That game was actually Final Fantasy VI, the most recent FF at the time. From there, it's easy to see where confusion arose, as -- if Sakaguchi had been referring to FFVI -- then FFVII would have been the next game to be made after his mother's death. Given that FFVII focuses a lot on the ideas of life, death, and what comes after, it's a reasonable connection to make. Sakaguchi's mother did, of course, die during the making of the actual Final Fantasy III. As reference for that, we have the foreword to The Making of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (pp.4-5), published in 2001. Here, Sakaguchi says that it had been 13 years since he lost his mother: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/TSWBookTitlePage.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/BookCopyrightPage.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/13Years.jpg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Contrasting Cait Sith No. 1's "death" with Aerith's [5.246In] A topic I've seen given very shamefully little attention over the years since the game's release is the striking differences in the deaths of Cait Sith No. 1 and Aerith, and the different requests they make of the player. This angle of analysis actually enriches the value of Aerith's death from a player's perspective, and makes it -- in my opinion -- a storytelling masterstroke. Not long before Aerith's passing, the game set up death in the highly cliched manner that Yoshinori Kitase and Tetsuya Nomura spoke of in the EDGE magazine interview referenced in earlier articles of the "Aerith" section. Cait Sith No. 1's "death" was made overly dramatic and then followed immediately by a return of the character -- completely negating any tragedy or sense of loss in the process -- to deliberately disassociate death with the feelings they should inspire in the player. In other words, if a character can die and come right back, then this isn't really such a big deal. After Cait Sith comes hopping back on the scene right after "dying," it's not so hard to imagine that maybe Jessie, Wedge and Biggs will be coming around the next corner. This was done so that when Aerith's death arrived, it held an even greater impact than would have otherwise been the case. Quite simply, it's shocking and runs counter to the traditional manner in which such scenes occur. Right before Aerith's death, she's in danger as Cloud stands above her under Sephiroth's control, his Buster Sword poised and ready to rend her apart. Cloud's team gets his attention and he's able to resist Sephiroth's control, narrowly avoiding a tragedy. Then the form of Sephiroth descends from above and passes a asword through Aerith anyway. A brief analysis of both scenes yields what is the most realistic of the two, as one is set up in a very dramatic over-the-top fashion, only for the entire matter to be rendered moot less than two minutes later. Then, the other comes like a whisper and its effects last for the rest of the game. To further emphasise the point, note the degree of unnecssary melodrama in the dialogue and behavior that went into Cait Sith's death scene, and then the very little amount that went into Aerith's. Note also the length of these scenes and how long you *know* death is coming before it happens in each: (Cait Sith's death sequence) ---- Cait Sith "Sorry to keep you waiting!! It's me!!" "I'll handle the rest!" Cait Sith "Well, everyone.. Take care of yourselves!" Aerith "Cait Sith..." Aerith "Come on, Cloud... Say something." Cloud "I'm not good at this." Cait Sith "Mmm, I understand. I feel the same too." Aerith "Why don't you read our fortunes?" Cait Sith "Say, that's right... I haven't done it in a while, huh?" "I'm so excited. Right or wrong, I'm still the same 'ol me." "Now, what should I predict?" Aerith "Hmm, let's see how compatible Cloud and I are!" Cait Sith "That'll cost ya. Exactly one date!" Cait Sith "Here I go!" Cait Sith "This isn't good. I can't say it." "Poor Tifa." Aerith "No! Tell me!" "I promise I won't get mad!" Cait Sith "Is that so? Then I'll tell you." "Looks good. You are perfect for each other!" "Aerith's star and Cloud's star! They show a great future!" "Cloud, I'll be your matchmaker, preacher... I'll do whatever you want me to!" "You just call me when it all happens!" Cait Sith "Thank you for believing in me, knowing that I was a spy." "This is the final, final farewell!" Aerith "Be strong Cait Sith!!" Cait Sith "She told me to 'Be strong.' I feel so happy." ::He trips and falls:: Cait Sith "Owwww......" Cait Sith "What happened?" Cait Sith "I can still move more." Cait Sith "This must be it!" "The Ancients sure did a great job making this." Cait Sith "I can protect the Planet too! I'm kinda embarrassed..." Cait Sith "There's plenty of stuffed toys like my body around, but there's only one me!" Cait Sith "Don't forget me even if another Cait Sith comes along." ::Cait Sith approaches the altar:: Cait Sith "Good bye, then! I guess I'm off to save the Planet..." ::Cait Sith turns to face the altar and screen flashes white:: ---- (Aerith's death sequence) ---- ::AVALANCHE heads down the central path at the intersection that lies near the entrance to the City of the Ancients:: Cloud "Aerith's voice...... Coming from there?" ::Eventually, AVALANCHE reaches a structure with a glass stairway leading down underground; they follow the staircase and see Aerith kneeling on an altar:: Cloud "Aerith?" ::Cloud advances toward Aerith's position; the other members of AVALANCHE start to follow him, but he waves them back; when he gets in front of Aerith, a red light flashes and Cloud clutches his head; he is then forced to draw his sword and hold it above his head, set to bring it down on Aerith; he's obviously fighting against Sephiroth's will that's trying to force him to crush Aerith beneath his Buster Sword; after a long moment of tension, Cloud prepares to bring down the sword:: Cid "Cloud!" Tifa "Stop!" ::Cloud shakes his head and steps back:: Cloud "Ugh... what are you making me do?" ::The form of Sephiroth descends from above and pierces its blade through Aerith's back and out her stomach; her head lolls forward and she collapses into Cloud's arms:: ---- As can be seen from this, Cait Sith's "death" was given a lot more drama than Aerith's, at least in the sense of how characters in-game reacted to the matter. This is also apparent in that Cait Sith's "death" was obviously on the way, whereas Aerith's seemed to have just been averted, only for her to be killed a moment later. As can be seen from comparing these matters and examining the interview in EDGE magazine with Nomura and Kitase, Cait Sith's "death" served to act as a contrast with Aerith's, representing all those things that Nomura and Kitase wished for death not to be in a story, whereas Aerith's represented those things that they wished for it to be. Whereas Cait Sith's was melodramatic, sacrificial and rendered moot by an immediate "resurrection," Aerith's death came unexpectedly, was tragic, and held meaning for the rest of the game. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) Who is the Aerith in Final Fantasy Tactics? [5.247In] Is she the Aerith from FFVII, perhaps reincarnated, or someone who strangely just looks like her, has the same name and also works as a flower vendor? For the answer, let's turn to pg. 560 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega, where it discusses the appearances of Cloud and Aerith in that game. While the page identifies the Cloud in Tactics as the same Cloud from FFVII (see the "Why are some FFVII titles canon and others not?" part of this FAQ's "What is the FFVII canon?" article for more about that), it's less clear concerning that game's Aerith: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/fftaerith.jpg "The appearances of the flower vendor When the main character, Ramza, enters Zarghidas Trade City[*1], he hears the voice of a flower vendor. Her appearance and tone are the same as that of Aerith of FFVII, and her name is also Aerith. However, when she encounters Cloud, she doesn't know him. Is she the same person from FFVII but with amnesia, or is she someone else entirely...? [*1: Known as the Trade City of Sal Ghidos in the English translation of the War of the Lions version of Tactics.] [Beside the screenshots of FFT's Aerith; in the bottom one she's asking "Would you like a flower? It's only 1 gil"[*1]] The appearance of the flower vendor in Zarghidas. When Cloud sees her exact resemblance to Aerith, he is quite shaken." [*1: From the English translation of the original version of Tactics on the PlayStation. The War of the Lions version featured "A flower for a gil, ser?" in its English translation.] The answer then is basically that there is no clear answer. It's really up to each player's imagination to decide who they'd like to think she is, as there isn't an answer to be found within canon. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -5-Miscellaneous [5.25In] 1) Is Zack the man in the pipe in the slums of Midgar? [5.251In] Many once believed that Zack survived his execution outside Midgar and then wandered into the city later, possibly with amnesia, and that he is the individual whom Aerith famously described -- in the original English version of FFVII anyway -- with the comment, "This guy are sick." While I doubt anyone would arrive at that conclusion after playing the game today, especially now that Crisis Core's release has come and gone -- and I'm well aware that most will accept that game's story into their FFVII canon even though this document does not -- I'm going to leave a form of this article in here just in case. This idea about the "This guy are sick" guy being Zack came primarily from the fact that the guy had a "2" tattoo on his hand, and -- should the player return to Midgar on Disc 3 and speak with the guy who had been looking after the man in the pipe -- that we learn that the guy had left to go to the Reunion. In other words, he was one of the Sephiroth copies from Nibelheim, and the only one other than Cloud to be seen not wearing a black cloak. I've never really been sure why this information alone led to the idea that this guy may be Zack despite his different appearance, the lack of recognition from both Cloud and Aerith, and -- as discussed in the "Was Cloud a failed Sephiroth copy?" article -- Zack's lack of a numbered tattoo, but it happened. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Is Vincent Sephiroth's father? [5.252In] Again, doubting anyone would still come away from the original game thinking this was possible -- especially now with Dirge of Cerberus out -- but there was a time that it was a firmly held belief by many that Vincent is Sephiroth's father. Hell, there was a time some people held to it so tightly that they claimed the game told you he is. Due to Vincent's lines before the battle with Hojo on the Sister Ray, I'd even thought that Vincent at least believed he was Hojo's father up to that time, as it's at this point he seems to stop hating on himself so hard: ---- Hojo "Ha, ha, ha... HA, HA, HA...!!" "What will Sephiroth think when he finds out that I'm his father?" "Always looking down on me like that." "HA, HA, HA...!!" Cloud "Sephiroth is your son!? Vincent "......!" Hojo "Ha, ha, ha..." "I offered the woman with my child to Professor Gast's Jenova Project." "When Sephiroth was still in the womb, we took the cells of Jenova..." "HA, HA, HA!!" Vincent "You......!" Cloud "I can't believe you're the one who did this..." "The illusionary crime against Sephiroth..." Hojo "Heee, hee, hee, hee! No, you're wrong!" "It's my desire as a scientist! Heee, hee, hee, hee!" Vincent "......" "I was......wrong." "The one that should have slept was..." "You, Hojo!" ---- It seemed to many, myself included, that there was no reason for Hojo's revelation to have affected who Vincent felt deserved to be punished for what happened to Lucrecia unless he believed the father of her child should be the one that was punished. Of course, what I hadn't considered was that the callous and indifferent manner in which Hojo refers to Lucrecia there -- "the woman with my child" -- could have been the trigger for the shift in Vincent's anger as well. Still, at the time, it seemed to make sense that this revelation absolved Vincent of his guilt and granted him a new lease on life. After all, if chosen to be a party leader before the battle against Safer Sephiroth, Vincent will even declare, "I was frozen in time, but I feel as if my time is just beginning." Basically, the idea that Vincent was Sephiroth's father required assuming that the real revelation in the scene with Hojo was that Vincent had believed himself to be the father, and that Hojo's claim was just the ramblings of a madman. Which he was, of course, but he's still a madman who would probably -- and presumably could -- run a paternity test if he had any doubts. Really, if someone still takes that meaning from the scene, there's no proving them wrong. It really boils down to what one believes was the intended revelation on the writer's part, or how that particular player made sense of the information on its way in. As such, I'm not going to discuss the matter any further than that anymore. My own opinion is that the delivery of the narrative is such that the only surprise revelation concerning Sephiroth's parentage is that Hojo is his father. I also feel it's somewhat significant that no official guides ever even discussed Vincent being Sephiroth's father as a possible reading of that scene, while always pointedly referring to Hojo as Sephiroth's father. However, if someone read something else into that scene, it can't be discounted altogether. It's legitimately another way of making sense of what was shown in the story, even if it doesn't seem like the more obvious one to me. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Why didn't the Weapons attack Sephiroth? [5.253In] A common question about FFVII's story is "Why didn't the Weapons attack Sephiroth?" A good question since Professor Gast's report on the Weapons stated that they were monsters created by the planet to protect it during a time of crisis: ---- Hojo "...Weapon. Monsters created by the Planet." "It appears when the Planet is in danger, reducing everything to nothingness." "That's what was stated in Professor Gast's report." ---- Being the greatest threat of all, it would only seem logical that the Weapons should attempt to penetrate the barrier around the Northern Crater and go after Sephiroth. The fact that they do not was variously speculated to be because Sephiroth was either controlling them or because the Weapons attack everything indiscriminately. My theory was the latter. I believed that the Weapons just saw living things and attacked them without any level of priority. I also thought that perhaps the overall purpose of such a strategy was not just to possibly eliminate the threat to the planet during this indiscriminate massacre of life, but also to strengthen the planet via sending the spirit energy of the dead life forms back to the Lifestream. More energy might mean the planet could better deal with the threat if the Weapons' own behavior didn't take care of it. While I think it's still a pretty good theory that explains what we saw in the original, I rather like the explanation given in Maiden Who Travels the Planet as well, and this is the one I include in my own personal FFVII canon. There it's said that the Weapons didn't attack Sephiroth because the barrier he created around the Northern Crater prevented them from sensing him. Source: Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 589) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Was the game's final battle real? [5.254In] A once hotly-debated question about Final Fantasy VII was whether the battle between Cloud's mind and Sephiroth's form during the ending was a real battle. While certain that it was a mental ordeal, quite often, it was argued to have been nothing more than visceral imagery representing Cloud gaining autonomy and purging Sephiroth's influence from his mind. While I doubt many would arrive at that conclusion for any long period of time now, in an age where Advent Children Complete is on the scene, with its moment of Sephiroth mentally affecting Cloud from afar, the possibility still remains, so this article shall as well. Being that Cloud's body contained Jenova cells, his mind had been accessed by Sephiroth several times before this point, often to force him to do things against his will. For example, when Cloud handed the Black Materia over at the Temple of the Ancients and then beat up Aerith. In this particular case, the Jenova cells were being used to access his mind and allow Sephiroth to command his motor functions. That in mind, it was certainly well within the realm of possibility for Cloud and Sephiroth's minds to come in contact at that point, especially with Sephiroth having just lost his own body once again. A big hint that Cloud was actually defeating Sephiroth's mind comes from what happens in the FMV sequence immediately following. The lower area of the crater, where the Jenova-SYNTHESIS battle took place, flashes bright white once the mental form of Sephiroth disappears. This is significant in that the flash was the same color as Holy, which was being held back by Sephiroth. It was only when his mind was defeated that Holy was actually free to move. Official sources, for those interested, confirm this battle as a genuine conflict on pg. 204 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega guide, and again on pg. 590, from Chapter 7 of Maiden Who Traves the Planet. It's stated that Cloud's spirit/consciousness pursued Sephiroth's retreating consciousness, which still continued to hold Holy back even then. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Were the Cetra from another planet? [5.255In] Due to poor wording in the original English translation of the game, there was a misunderstanding about the origin of the Cetra for several years. The following lines were the primary cause of this confusion: ---- Sephiroth "This Planet originally belonged to the Cetra. Cetra was a itinerant race. They would migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on..." "At the end of their harsh, hard journey, they would find the Promised Land and supreme happiness." ---- Another point that introduced this confusion is Aerith's statement concerning the spirits of the Cetra in the Temple of the Ancients: ---- "Those are the spirit bodies of the Ancients." "They've been away from their Planet for a long time to protect this Temple." ---- From this, many -- and they really can't be faulted for it -- took the meaning that the Cetra were aliens from another planet. Nomads on a cosmic journey to enrich planets with vegetation and other life. While a reasonable reading of these lines, what was actually meant here is thathe Cetra simply migrated around the one planet the game is set on, Gaia. They did perform the process of making new lands lush, but only on that planet. While Aerith says that the Ancients' spirits in the Temple had been away from their Planet for a long time, that doesn't necessarily imply a different planet than Gaia. "Planet" can also refer to a world's Lifestream, and in Final Fantasy IX, we're told that the true form of a planet *is* its Lifestream (for more on this, see the "Spirit Energy and Memories: The Magic of Final Fantasy" article further down). This is what all life naturally returns to at the time of its death. The spirits of these Ancients, however, had chosen to stay separated from the Lifestream after death in order to continue protecting the temple. There are several times in the original English version's script that the word "Planet" is used interchangably with the word "land," even by Ifalna, a Cetra. Further, when explaining the function of materia, Sephiroth uses both words in the same sentence and in the same context: (Ifalna in Icicle Inn, commenting on the Knowlespole of the Cetra freezing over) ---- Professor Gast "Hmm, even here so close to the North Cave, the snow never melts." "Is that because the planet's energy is gathered here to heal its injury?" Ifalna "Yes, the energy that was needed to heal the Planet withered away the land... then the Planet..." ---- (Sephiroth's explanation of materia's function) ---- Sephiroth "...the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients is held in the materia." "Anyone with this knowledge can freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts between ourselves and the planet calling up magic..... or so they say." ---- Notably, Aerith -- a Cetra herself -- specifically states that the Cetra are born from the planet and then return to it when they die: ---- Aerith "All I know is..." "The Cetra were born from the Planet, speak with the Planet, and unlock the Planet." "And....... then......" "The Cetra will return to the Promised Land. A land that promises supreme happiness." ---- Of additional import to clarifying this matter, Elder Hargo of Cosmo Canyon also refers to the Lifestream as "their planet" when speaking of the Ancients. To those interested in the official word on matters, it's probably also worth mentioning that no official sources -- such as an Ultimania guide or some such thing -- have ever identified the Cetra as anything but the ancient race of humans that lived on Gaia. At the very least, no one involved in the making of the games intended them to be aliens. With all this in mind, Sephiroth was most certainly speaking in regard to the *surface* of the planet when he made the comment about the Cetra traveling from one land to the next. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) What is the Promised Land? [5.256In] "What is the Promised Land?" The great question of Final Fantasy VII's mythos. The question that players, in-game characters, and at least one developer of the game sought an answer to for several years after the game's release. Is the Promised Land the Northern Crater, a land overflowing with spirit energy, as Shin-Ra believed it to be? Or is it Midgar, the technological behemoth of metal and highways where Shin-Ra held its seat of power for decades, as character designer Tetsuya Nomura once said he believed it to be (http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=81&more=1)? Is it, perhaps, the Lifestream itself, the great river of spirit energy from which all life on the planet Gaia springs? Or is it something which a person finds within theirself? Here, we will answer this elusive question. The answer to all of the questions above is this: Yes. Yes, the Northern Crater is the Promised Land. Yes, Midgar is the Promised Land. Yes, the Lifestream is the Promised Land. Yes, the Promised Land is a peace which one finds within theirself. But the answer to the above questions is not "yes" for everyone. For many, the answer to all these questions may be "no." The Promised Land is something personal for every individual. Someone can't tell another individual what the Promised Land is, as it isn't the same for every person. It is whatever grants a person a sense of completion, a sense of supreme joy and happiness. For one person, this may be their romantic partner; for another, it may be their children; for another, it may be money; for yet another, it may be achieving, acquiring, or learning any number of different things. We find two indications in-game of the Promised Land's identity being subjective. The first comes from Aerith when AVALANCHE has been jailed in the Shin-Ra headquarters, and the second comes from Elder Hargo of Cosmo Canyon. Aerith says that her mother's spirit has told her that one day she would leave Midgar and find *her* Promised Land: ---- Aerith "Someday I'll get out of Midgar... Speak with the Planet and find my Promised Land." "...That's what mom said." ---- As for Elder Hargo, he states first that he believes there is no one thing called the Promised Land. He then goes on to describe what he believes to have been the Promised Land for the Cetra, describing them rejoining with the planet (the Lifestream) at the time of their deaths as being the fulfillment of their journey and the acquisition of their supreme happiness: ---- "There is no one place called the Promised Land. That is what I believe. No no, it does exist. Hmmm... You can say that too. In other words, it doesn't exist for us, but it did for the Ancients. The Promised Land is the resting place of the Ancients. The life of the Ancients is one continuous journey. A journey to grow trees and plants, produce animals, and raise mako energy. Their harsh journeys continued throughout their lives... The place they return to after their long journey... Their burial land is the Promised Land. Huh? Supreme happiness? I believe that, for the Ancients, it was the moment that they were able to return to their planet. At that moment they were released from their fate, and gained their supreme happiness..." ---- The Promised Land for the Ancients was the Lifestream. This does not necessarily hold true for everyone, however. For Sephiroth, the Promised Land was a place where he could acquire the power to call Meteor and set in motion his plan to achieve godhood, as identified in the FFVII Ultimania Omega (pp. 214, 586). This place was the Northern Crater, just as it was for Shin-Ra (pg. 214) -- though from their perspective, it was the Promised Land because they knew it would be highly profitable. The FFVII Ultimania Omega also takes the step of clearly identifying the Cetra's Promised Land as the Lifestream (pp. 214, 580), but says that it may not be true for everyone and that each individual has their own interpretation (pg. 214). As another example, the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania identifies Cloud's Promised Land as Aerith's church (pg. 131; pg. 133 of the Revised Edition). Despite whatever we may have found or not found within the game itself, the official position on the matter at least supports our conclusions up to now. To summarize things thus far, the Promised Land is not the same for everyone. It may be anything for anyone, but it is whatever gives that person supreme joy, whatever grants them fulfillment. Considering that people are quite possibly as varied in desires as there are things to be desired, there may be a limitless number of Promised Lands, a different one for every person. Having now established what the Promised Land is, or -- more accurately -- what the Promised *Lands* are, let us now examine how one finds this place of ultimate joy. According to Aerith, the location of the Promised Land is not something one will know until they've found it: ---- Aerith "...You don't 'know' where the Promised Land of the Ancients is." "You search and travel, until you feel it. Like you just know, '...this is the Promised Land.'" ---- What's interesting about this is that Aerith only says that one doesn't know *where* their Promised Land is. To put it another way, they don't know *how* to find it, though they may know full well *what* it is for them. To give an example, one whose Promised Land is fulfilling their desire to have a romantic partner that they will love wholeheartedly and who will love them back wholeheartedly may know that this is their ultimate desire, yet they may not know at all how to achieve it. According to Aerith, they all would "search and search" until they just felt it and knew they had found it. Another side to the difficulty in knowing where/how to find one's Promised Land is the hardships that they most likely will face in searching for it. Using again the example of one who seeks all-consuming romantic love, they may find that the path to this is not an easy one. They will likely face a great deal of emotional sorrow and hardship before they find this ultimate happiness. This is directly connected to the game's theme of building off Judaeo- Christian mythology, in particular the Sephiroth concept of Jewish mysticism (for more on this, see the "Symbolism in Final Fantasy VII" article below). Just as an individual following the paths of the Sephiroth and seeking their way back to God must overcome obstacles in order to achieve this, so too must one do in seeking their Promised Land. This is demonstrated in-game by the Cetra's journey, for it is described as a "harsh, hard journey" at the end of which they would find their Promised Land: ---- Sephiroth "This Planet originally belonged to the Cetra. Cetra was a itinerant race. They would migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on..." "At the end of their harsh, hard journey, they would find the Promised Land and supreme happiness." ---- Referring back to Elder Hargo's comments on the Cetra, again, he states that the "harsh, hard journey" of the Cetra ended when they were allowed to rejoin with the Lifestream. We can connect the matter of rejoining with the Lifestream to the matter of rejoining with the Promised Land in the case of the Cetra based on what Aerith says concerning the Cetra's origins, and what Bugenhagen says concerning spirit energy and the cycle of rebirth in Final Fantasy VII: (Aerith in the Shin-Ra headquarters) ---- Aerith "All I know is..." "The Cetra were born from the Planet, speak with the Planet, and unlock the Planet." "And....... then......" "The Cetra will return to the Promised Land. A land that promises supreme happiness." ---- (Bugenhagen in Cosmo Canyon) ---- Bugenhagen "Well, let's get to the subject." "Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they die?" "The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their souls?" "The soul too returns to the Planet." "And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In fact, all living things in the universe, are the same." Bugenhagen "The spirits that return to the Planet, merge with one another and roam the Planet." "They roam, converge, and divide, becoming a swell, called the 'Lifestream'." "Lifestream.... In other words, a path of energy of the souls roaming the Planet." Bugenhagen "'Spirit Energy' is a word that you should never forget." "A new life... children are blessed with Spirit energy and are brought into the world." "Then, the time comes when they die and once again return to the Planet..." ---- So even without the FFVII Ultimania Omega, the information needed to identify the Promised Land was with us all along. That said, the theory I have spoken of here was never given much attention. While I did talk about it on forums, I don't think the idea of something so abstract was quite as alluring as something tangible and consistent. In any case, while the identity of the Cetra's Promised Land brings up the question of why the journey to *die* is made so difficult for them, there may have been any number of cultural assumptions amongst the Cetra that made it so. Perhaps they felt that they must do their best to help cultivate life on the planet in order to rejoin with the Lifestream, or perhaps it was a sense of duty that drove them. For all we're made aware, there may have been an assumption that they would only be worthy of the return to the Lifestream by cultivating life on the planet's surface. Whatever the reason, this journey of the Cetra along the paths of the Sephiroth to reach their own personal Promised Land was a journey to the Lifestream, made more difficult for them than it was for other forms of life due to it being the fulfillment of self for these Ancients. What we can conclude from all this is that the Promised Land is not the same thing for everyone, nor is there any means by which an individual can determine how to find their personal Promised Land. They simply must seek it out, and when they find it, they will just know they have found it. We can also conclude that -- whatever an individual's journey may be for -- the path to their Promised Land will be made harsh for the sake of them overcoming obstacles in order to reach it. While one individual may be able to easily attain something that is not very special to them, for another, that is their Promised Land and it will be a harsh path, indeed, before they can claim it. As for why this may be, it is likely to provide the spirit energy of the individual with a need to undergo life experiences, forming memories and maturing as a result. This would be done so that when the spirit energy's host body dies and the spirit energy returns to the Lifestream, it will be able to provide memories/experiences for the Lifestream as a whole to learn from and grow. We first knew that it is these memories and experiences that provide the Lifestream with the ability to live and grow based on a statement made in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within: (Aki Ross, quoting Dr. Sid's journal) ---- "All life is born of Gaia and each life has a spirit. Each new spirit is housed in a physical body. ...Through their experiences on Earth, each spirit matures and grows. When the physical body dies, the mature spirit, enriched by its life on Earth, returns to Gaia bringing with it the experiences, enabling Gaia to live and grow." ---- The Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega would eventually confirm this as the case for the Gaia of FFVII specifically (pg. 217). The implications of these matters would suggest that limits are either put in place or are naturally present on an individual's abilities, the situations they're placed in, or both, so as to provide them with the necessity to struggle for their Promised Land. In conclusion, the Promised Land is a reality, and it is a different reality for everyone. It is also the culmination of their efforts to overcome hardships they must deal with in order to mature as an individual and reach their Promised Land. In so doing, they will provide the life cycle as a whole with rich energy and the means to grow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) What Did Hojo Do to Red XIII? [5.247In] Another elusive question of Final Fantasy VII is "What did Hojo do to Nanaki?" Was he injected with Jenova cells? Was he infused with mako? Were any number of other experiments carried out on him? Sadly, we cannot determine the answers to all of these questions from the game. Even Red XIII himself seems unsure of what Hojo may have done to him. All he ever expresses in this regard is a fear that he may turn out mindless like the black-cloaked Sephiroth copies: ---- Red XIII "Cloud..." Red XIII "I'm number 13. Am I going to go mad too?" Tifa "I don't know what Hojo did to you, but you've been all right so far, right?" Red XIII "But..." Tifa "Be strong." Red XIII "But, I..." Tifa "Stop it, Red XIII! Be strong!" ---- Whatever Hojo did to Nanaki, he's never implied to have glowing eyes (the sign of mako infusion), nor does he demonstrate any of the behavior of an individual injected with Jenova's cells. It's also extremely unlikely that Hojo would have made a Sephiroth copy of him given that this experiment eventually required the death of its subjects, and given that Hojo believed Red XIII to be the last of a species he intended to save from extinction. While we can't determine exactly what -- if anything -- Hojo did to Nanaki beyond branding him with a "XIII" tattoo, we can safely conclude that he didn't inject him with Jenova cells or infuse him with mako. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) What is the sphere Cloud sees during the ending? [5.258In] A mystery that endures to this day -- and a point of quite a bit of speculation in past years -- is the nature of the sphere that Cloud sees while his mind journeys to the final battle with Sephiroth: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/GaiasCore.jpg Variously speculated to have been the Promised Land at times, the Cetra's homeworld at others -- and if under the erroneous assumption that they were aliens -- and any number of other things, I've long believed the answer lies in just where it was that AVALANCHE had confronted Sephiroth: the center of the planet. To elaborate, AVALANCHE would have been in close proximity to Gaia's core, and I believe that the sphere that Cloud witnessed overhead is *the* core itself. For why I believe this to be so, there is, first, the location of the battle that destroyed Sephiroth's body, and, secondly, the very similar sphere seen within Final Fantasy X/X-2's world, Spira, on the Farplane: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/SpirasCore.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/SpirasCore2.jpg The Farplane lay at the center of Spira, with an abundant amount of spirit energy (pyreflies) floating around in there. We know that the life force of the planet Spira itself resided within the Farplane based on Shinra's analysis of the area in Final Fantasy X-2: ---- Shinra "Aha..." Yuna "What are you looking at?" Shinra "Farplane data." Shinra "The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there." Yuna "Limitless energy?" Shinra "The life force that flows through our planet...I think." ---- Like Spira's core, where pyreflies (spirit energy) freely moved about in close proximity, when Cloud looks up at the sphere above him, there are small orbs of energy floating around it. We find another similar object when looking at the Gaia of Earth in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/TheGaia.jpg While we can't determine from this shot if the energy below Aki and Gray has a spherical form, based on its depth within the Earth and the nature of density, it's safe to assume, as even the metallic core of our own Earth is believed to be a sphere due to density. While not a very elaborate explanation, I believe that the simplicity of this theory adds to its plausibility. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) Is FFVII connected to FFX and X-2? [5.259In] You may have heard somewhere that there's a connection between the stories of Final Fantasy VII, X and X-2. Other than that obvious one connecting X and X-2, I mean. "Is it true?" you're probably wondering. Well, the answer is "yes." In the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania guide (pp. 723-724), there's an interview where scenario writer Kazushige Nojima (writer of FFVII, VIII, X, X-2, Advent Children, On the Way to a Smile and Crisis Core) reveals that he wrote the game's story with the intention that the character named "Shinra" (a member of the Gullwings, the sphere hunter group the game focuses on) was the ancestor of the founders and rulers of the Shin-Ra Company seen in Final Fantasy VII. According to Nojima, after Vegnagun and Shuyin's defeat, Shinra received massive financial backing from Rin and attempted to use the remains of Vegnagun to extract the spirit energy on the Farplane into a usable form as a power source. Should be sounding familiar already if you've played FFVII. Anyway, in-game, we see Shinra arrive at the conclusion that this could be done in Chapter 5 if one returns to the bridge of the Celsius after reaching the Farplane Glen and speaks with Shinra: ---- Shinra "Aha..." Yuna "What are you looking at?" Shinra "Farplane data." Shinra "The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there." Yuna "Limitless energy?" Shinra "The life force that flows through our planet...I think." Shinra "With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form." Brother "Sweet!" Shinra "Of course, that'd take generations." Brother "That's no fun!" Buddy "Well, still, it is something worth shooting for." Yuna "Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work!" Yuna "Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!" Shinra "No doubt about it." Yuna "Just imagine!" Yuna "But I'll never get to see it...will I..." ::Shinra shakes his head, meaning "No":: Brother "Shinra! Don't make Yuna sad!" Shinra "Right. My bad." ---- This is obviously a suggestion that energy from the Farplane could be extracted and used in such a manner. It's also made apparent in-game that finding a means to utilize the energy within the planet Spira is something that Rin would have supported. If Rin is pinned as the culprit behind the wrong-doing on the Mi'hen Highroad involving the malfunctioning machina, it's revealed that the machina malfunctioned and that he covered it up because he believes machina to be Spira's future: ---- Rin "You are suggesting that my decision to upgrade the machina resulted in a number of casualties... ... and that I tried to cover it up?" Yuna "You put the investigation in our hands because we were amateurs. You hoped we would botch the case." Yuna "And then, I kept calling you even though I didn't have any leads." Yuna "You would have objected to the meaningless interruptions, if you really wanted to solve the case." Rin "I see. It appears that I have underestimated you, Yuna." Rikku "Why, Rin?" Rin "If word got out that machina pose a danger, people would fear them and stop using them." Paine "So Yevon's not alone in sweeping things under the rug." Rin "I firmly believe that machina are an indispensable part of Spira's development." Rin "Even if there is another incident, I intend to conceal the evidence." Yuna "You really think people will follow you that way?" Rin "I am not alone in my thinking." Rin "We are researching ways to extract the vast energy that sleeps in Spira, and use it to power machina." Paine "You're a jackass." Rin "I will take that as a compliment." ---- What's further worth mentioning is that of the time of the events of the Last Mission from Final Fantasy X-2: International+Last Mission (three months after Shuyin's defeat in Final Fantasy X-2), it was established that Shinra and Rin were working together and researching someething, as revealed by Rikku on the tenth floor of Yadonoki Tower: (Thanks for this translation go to Marcelo X) ---- Yuna: "Is Shinra helping out, too?" Rikku: "Ahhh, now that you mention it..." Rikku: "Well, all I know is that Shinra left the ship. He got together with Rin and what do you think all that research they're doing is for?" Rikku: "'I know everything'" is all he said in that smug way of his. I've seen him around all over the place." ---- In other words, as of three months after Final Fantasy X-2's main events had come to an end, the concept Nojima spoke of was already in play. What's further notable about this is that Final Fantasy X-2: International+Last Mission was released 11 months after the original Final Fantasy X-2, and well after the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania guide featuring the interview with Nojima had been published. In other words, Nojima spoke of this concept in the Ultimania interview and then actually put the ball in motion with FFX-2: International+Last Mission. Also notable is that this idea isn't the secret of a single individual during development, but that it actually has the support of key staff involved in the making of FFX-2 and in the making of various other Final Fantasy titles, including Compilation of FFVII titles. During the interview, director Motomu Toriyama reveals that, in response to Nojima's idea, he arranged the first shot of the Bevelle Underground to be the same as the first shot of Midgar in Final Fantasy VII. In addition, co-scenario writer Daisuke Watanabe speaks favorably of the concept during the interview. Someone else at the table during the interview was Yoshinori Kitase, current lead developer of Final Fantasy, the director and co-scenario writer of Final Fantasy VII, and the mastermind behind the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. Though no comments from him are made during that segment of the interview, an earlier interview with Kitase and Nojima -- this time in the Final Fantasy X Ultimania Omega guide (pg. 191) -- had the two of them reveal that FFVII and FFX would become connected in the sequel to FFX. Furthermore, Kitase even went so far as to say that this connection would be a surprising development regarding the Farplane and what a character in the story would do related to it. Sounds pretty much exactly like what happened. Next up, even Tetsuya Nomura, character designer of FFVII and a key developer of Final Fantasy titles himself these days, has alluded to the concept. In the Advent Children Reunion Files book, he said that the Shera airship runs "on a mysterious ancient power source" (pg. 87). For those who want to include Dirge of Cerberus in their personal continuity, I point you to the dialogue from the game where the same thing is said by an engineer on the airship: ---- "While this airship is named after Cid's wife, construction of the vessel wasn't performed by the captain at all. Our team of loyal scientists here at the World Regenesis Organization or those criminals at Shinra weren't involved, either. To tell you the truth, the ship is not even from this era. It is a relic from a lost civilization. Most of the machinery in the engine room is boxed up in black casing, so we don't even know what half of it does. There's no need to worry. Even though we cannot reproduce the technology, we can still put it to good use. I can almost guarantee there will be no problems. Almost..." ---- Additionally, I'd like to call your attention to the startling similarities both inside and out between the Shera and the airships seen in FFX and X-2. Another bit of official recognition to the idea comes from the name of the fiend called "King VERMIN!." In Final Fantasy VII, this is a title that Barret addresses President Shinra with at one point: ---- President Shinra "And such a waste of good fireworks, just to get rid of vermin like you..." Barret "VERMIN? That's all you can say... VERMIN!" "Y'all Shinra're the VERMIN, killing the planet! And that makes you King VERMIN! So shu'up jackass!" ---- In the Japanese script, the president actually called them noxious insects, and Barret responded by saying that the Shin-Ra were the parasites, and that the president was their chief. Still, given the matching capitalization and punctuation, it's clear that somebody in the company was giving the idea their own personal nod. Here follows a translation of the segment of the X-2 Ultimania interview where this information came from: [Note: This translation is taken from this archive of The Final Fantasy Connection website under the "Nojima Interview" section of the "Evidence" category: https://web.archive.org/web/20070819035043/http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/ findex.htm] ---- Question: "Is there a connection between Shinra and FFVII?" Nojima: "Yes, actually. After Shinra quit the Gullwings he got enormous financial backing from Rin and went to the Farplane to start extracting the Mako energy used by the Vegnagun. But the system for utilizing this energy could not be completed in his generation, so far in the future when space travel was possible, the Shinra Company was founded on another planet... or something like that. That would be a thousand years or so from this game's story." Question: "And VII's story takes place after that?" Nojima: "Well, you could say that's how I personally feel about it." ---- Nojima's next two lines (translated by me): ---- "When I think about the characters from the story, those are the images I have inside me. Shinra was a good person, but his descendants will be like the president [of the Shin-Ra Company] (laughs)." ---- While at this point I would never again suggest that an author's own personal point of view about details in their story should serve as the be-all, end-all of any matter where there wasn't supporting evidence within the story, certainly interviews such as this can offer insight. Furthermore, in this particular case, there's plenty of physical evidence to support Nojima's claim, including Shinra and his behavior in X-2 and X-2: International+Last Mission, as well as the Al Bhed-like airship featured in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. For those who do care about authors' opinions in settling these matters, though, I'd also like to point out these comments about Shinra from the FFVII Ultimania Omega (pg. 563), found under the "Final Fantasy X-2" heading of the "Final Fantasy VII in Other Games" section: ---- "In the Gullwings, the group which the protagonist Yuna is a member of, there is a boy named 'Shinra.' His name is reminiscent of the Shin-Ra Company, and he's researching ways to use 'the life force flowing through the planet' as energy. The results of this can't be seen in FFX-2, but perhaps someday his descendants will found a 'company that supplies energy from the planet'?" ---- Heck, at this point, we even have newer Compilation of FFVII titles showing some characters' bodies disappear in a spray of spirit energy similar to that of Maester Kinoc's body, fiends or the unsent in FFX. While, again, I don't include Dirge of Cerberus or Crisis Core into my personal canon, they presumably are a reflection of the developers' canon. In DC, Grimoire Valentine's body disperses in a cloud of energy reminiscent of FFX's pyrefly dispersements, while in CC, Hollander and Lazard's bodies do the same. Learning that FFX and FFVII are in the same continuity has certainly also added some layers of speculation to Jenova's origins. While existence as an aeon seems unlikely as there are no more aeons or Yunalesca, there are remarkable similarities between Jenova and Sin (a large fiend pulled together with Gravity spells). Both seem to have a thing for tentacles, both are associated with Time/Space magic (Jenova with Meteor, Sin with Gravity), both can metamorphose, both spawn off smaller creatures from dismembered portions of their bodies, both can affect memories (in Sin's case, this is due not so much to a deliberate thought, but to the gravity field around the creature constantly sucking up pyreflies -- even to the point of tugging on those within a person's body), and both eventually reunite with separated parts of their bodies (Jenova has her Reunion, while Sin is known to return to reclaim its Sinspawn). Given that we know from FFIX and The Spirits Within that the Lifestreams of different worlds may be poisonous to one another as one seeks to convert the other, Jenova's influence -- and, thus, Sephiroth's -- on the Lifestream of VII's world may be in that same vein (e.g. turning the Cetra into monsters, corrupting the Lifestream, etc.). At any rate, it's not difficult to imagine that Jenova's existence began in a similar fashion to Sin's. With all that ruminated over, I would like to say that I don't really want to keep the following section in this article. To me now, having a point-counterpoint section where both sections are written by the same author seems terribly condescending. However, given just how much aggressive opposition and outright denial the FFVII/FFX/FFX-2 connection has seen from a vocal minority at times, I'm going to leave this section in here. All points raised are actual arguments I've seen people bring up while attacking this idea at one time or another, while the responses are all replies I made or wish I had made to these comments. *Point 1: The idea totally contradicts the story of Final Fantasy VII. In the game it's stated that the first mako reactor was approved for use only some 30 years before the main events of the game begin, and it had only been about 15 years that Shin-Ra even realized that mako extraction could be profitable. Nojima's idea that this has been going on for possibly thousands of years fits in nowhere. *Response 1: This point is the one brought up most often to refute the idea. Nojima's concept in no way contradicts the established storyline of Final Fantasy VII, and only taking what Nojima said out of context -- accidentally or deliberately -- will lend to the belief that it does. What he said is that Shinra attempts to apply the concept using the remains of Vegnagun. However, he finds that he cannot successfully implement the idea, and some 1000 years later, his descendants will travel from Spira to the planet Gaia. He doesn't say that they start setting up mako reactors as soon as they get there. He just says that on this other planet they will found the Shin-Ra Company. What his concept amounts to is this: After Vegnagun and Shuyin are defeated, Rin invests a large amount of money in Shinra's concept of drawing energy from the Farplane and harnessing it in a usable form. Shinra attempts to use the remains of Vegnagun to do this, but is unsuccessful. 1000 years later, his descendants will travel to the Planet Gaia. Sometime in the future after that, they will found the Shin-Ra Company. Sometime in the future once again, they will discover that they can successfully implement the concept conceived by their ancestor and will utilize the correct means to do so. *Point 2: It's a bit farfetched that VII's story begins immediately after these guys show up, meanin couldn't have been around long, yet no one seems to recall that they're aliens or find it worth mentioning in-game. *Response 2: Again, by his own admission, Nojima's concept is not a fleshed out idea. It is a very basic concept that is taking the full spectrum of the timeline of events into consideration in the same sentence or two. "And VII's story takes place after that?" does not mean "So VII's story begins immediately after Shinra's descendants arrive on Gaia?" It just's a general inquiry as to whether or not VII's story chronologically falls after that point. *Point 3: Nojima's idea would suggest that the Spirans will develop technology that allows for space travel, yet in the game's present, Shin-Ra had to develop 26 prototypes before they could even produce a rocket that would be capable of going into space. That leaves quite a plothole seeing as how the technology of the game's present is not as developed as that of its supposed past. *Response 3: It's not as though it would be all that difficult a thing to arrange the lost technology. The Spiran vehicles used for space travel could easily be have been destroyed -- along with the technology to reproduce them -- due to a crash landing on Gaia. Or they could have been destroyed by Jenova during its assault on Gaia. This is not to say that either of these possibilities are what occurred, but it is to say that there's no reason to believe that the technology shouldn't have been lost. *Point 4: The world of Spira operates on entirely different concepts of life and death, as well as magic and summoning. For example, there's never a need for sendings on Gaia, nor are there fayth who are used as the conduit by which to bring forth summons. *Response 4: The worlds actually operate on nearly the same concepts of life and death, as well as magic and summoning. Pyreflies = spirit energy = mako = spheres = materia = Lifestream. Spheres (a source of magic in FFX and its sequel) are crystalized pyreflies which were able to coalesce through their attachment to physical matter (usually water). Pyreflies, after all, permeate everything in Spira according to FFX's Scenario Ultimania (pg. 59). Materia -- which also has a spherical shape -- is crystalized mako, which is itself a condensed/liquidized derivative of the Lifestream/Gaia's spirit energy. Also notable is that both worlds feature the concept of spirit energy/pyreflies returning to the planet and then being sent back to the surface world to give life to more creatures. Further still, on Gaia, there were the Cetra, people who could manipulate spirit energy through their connection to and understanding of the planet. On Spira, there were both summoners -- people who could manipulate pyreflies because of their strong wills and understanding of the mechanics of such things -- as well as the Guado race, who live near the Farplane of Spira and can naturally manipulate pyreflies to at least a limited degree. As far as there being a big difference in terms of summoning, there's actually no difference at all. Materia merely connects one to the Lifestream, using the memories within this crystalized spirit energy as a conduit. Through this connection, one can manifest magical spells (including summons) based on those memories contained within the materia/sphere. On Spira, aeons were called forth through one's mind connecting to that of a fayth, a person whose body and spirit were bound within a statue of a powerful creature. The Fayth's memories are then processed through their dreams, which a summoner will be able to glean through their mental rapport with that fayth. The fayth's memories essentially serve as a blueprint of sorts for the summoner, who will then tap into pyreflies and manifest them in a form based on the memories of the fayth as regarding the statue their spirit is bound within. The concept -- that of tapping into the memories of another to manifest them as a magical spell or a summon through spirit energy -- is the same on both worlds. It all comes back to memories in the end. For more on this matter, refer to the "Spirit Energy and Memories: The Magic of Final Fantasy" article further down in this document. As for sendings, there seems to be something a bit off-kilter with Spira's Lifestream. Rather than spirit energy being one massive swell on Spira, it swirls around everywhere, rather aimlessly. There doesn't really seem to be any coherence to it all. This may be due in part to a young or weak Lifestream, but whatever the case, it may be tied to why people can become fiends and unsent so commonly after death. The same things can happen on Gaia, though they don't seem to occur quite as frequently. The requirement for one becoming an unsent, for example, is a strong emotional tie to the living world. An example of this in Final Fantasy X would be Maechen, whose unquenchable thirst for knowledge kept him bound to the surface of Spira for 1000 years. Similarily, in Final Fantasy VII, the guys from Beginner's Hall weren't able to be at peace after dying due to their desire for knowledge. When encountering their spirits in the Respectable Inn in Junon, one of them tells Cloud that he wasn't able to rest because he wanted to learn more. Other examples of unsent in Final Fantasy VII include the Ancients in the Temple of the Ancients, and Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz, being that they're shinentai of Sephiroth. In the case of fiends, recall that it was enmity for the living that would cause peoples' restless spirits to manifest as such creatures. In FFVII, the spirits of the Gi Tribe became fiend-like entities in the Gi Cave due to their hatred for the people of Cosmo Canyon. Really, there's not any notable differences in the mechanics of life, death, and magic on Spira and Gaia. They're essentially the same. *Point 5: Nojima isn't even a Square Enix employee any longer. His personal opinion is hardly anything to take as canon. *Response 5: If Yoshinori Kitase and Tetsuya Nomura were then to no longer be Square Enix employees, would their claims from the May 2003 issue of EDGE no longer be valid? Even though they made the game and know what went on? Besides, as said above, it's not just Nojima talking about this. The matter in question is more than a vague intent with which the story was written. The set up for it was placed into Final Fantasy X-2 and actually set in motion in FFX-2: International+Last Mission, not to mention Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) Symbolism in Final Fantasy VII [5.2510In] Though I know there were always some who felt several of my inferences within this article were a bit of a stretch, I've always been fond -- and a bit proud -- of it. I also still feel that it holds up well today. While it's well known that Final Fantasy VII draws on Judaism and a little Christianity for themes and plot elements, the extent of that symbolism is not always realized. Here, I've attempted to craft an article that thoroughly points out the correlation between in-game events, scenarios and concepts that are a direct reference to some Judaeo-Christian concept. What I have determined from my studies is that the core themes of Final Fantasy VII are taken straight from the lore of these religions. The breadth of inspiration that these ancient concepts provided for Final Fantasy VII is striking, as are the intricate levels at which they were interwoven throughout the game's story. I hope that with this document, fans of Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy as a whole -- as well as those who may have an interest in religious symbolism as used in media -- will find a new angle of analysis by which to appreciate this groundbreaking title in the Final Fantasy series. Before we begin examining the game's story, we'll run through some key concepts found in Judaism. In the Kabbalah of Jewish mysticism, it's believed that mankind is separated from God by the sin of the world, and the only way it can return to God is by navigating the paths of the Sephiroth. The Sephiroth, also known as the "Tree of Life," is a spiritual grid that represents the 10 divine emanations of God as projected into the mortal world. These 10 aspects of God are comprised of 22 paths based in seven realms of mortal existance. Along each path, a soul must overcome obstacles to reach the next node, gaining a further understanding of itself and more of its potential -- yet still limited -- understanding of God. If a soul is triumphant in its time as a mortal, it will gain a full understanding of itself and as great an understanding of God as is possible for a mortal being. The soul attains this great understanding when it reaches the central node on the grid, the Tifaret (also spelled as "Tipharet," "Tiferet," and "Tipheret"). From here, the soul will ascend to the seventh and highest realm of conscious mortal existance, where it may rejoin with God. Of specific importance to a matter we'll be addressing here are the properties of the Tifaret. As previously mentioned, the Tifaret is the central node on the Tree of Life, and is associated with ascension, as is representative of beauty and certain virtues and vices. Its virtues are love and balance, while its vices are pride and self-importance. When unbalanced, the Tifaret in an individual will give way to an illusionary dilemma in which they suffer from over-identification with others. Also of importance to the matter we'll be analyzing here is the name of God, "YHWH"/"JHVH" (commonly written as "Yahweh"/"Jehovah"). (Note: For more information on the Sephiroth and its multitude of properties, visit these webpages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephiroth_%28Kabbalah%29 http://www.humanenergyscience.com/articles_kabbalah.htm http://www.colorsystem.com/projekte/engl/65hebe.htm) Now, let us begin to analyze Final Fantasy VII and its relation to these concepts. There are two "Gods" in the story: Jenova and the Lifestream. For both, there is a concept that involves their "children" rejoining with them: Jenova has its "Reunion" with the cells in the Sephiroth copies drawing them to the creature, and the Lifestream has its spirit energy returning home upon the death of a "child." The spirit energy takes back with it the memories of that individual's lifetime, from which the Lifestream will live and grow. With these concepts in mind, recall the Hebrew name of God, "Jehovah." "Jenova" is a corruption of this name, a dark distortion, as is reflected through the creature's defilment of the planet. Furthermore, this name is likely a portmanteau of "Jehovah" and the Latin word "nova," which means "new." Thus, Jenova's name literally means "New God." Fitting, as Jenova -- and later Sephiroth -- would attempt to supplant and assimilate the Lifestream. Moving on, "Sephiroth" means "numbers" when loosely translated from its Hebrew origin, and in the game, we have numbered "Sephiroth copies." A reference both to the name of Sephiroth and -- given that they dress somewhat like him -- possibly also to the divine emanations of God found in the Sephiroth concept. These copies are naturally drawn back to Jenova and Sephiroth, the latter of whom places them on "paths" to seek out the Black Materia as they make their way to the Reunion. When the copies finally get to the Reunion at the Northern Crater, they are killed and knocked into a chasm, no doubt for the cells of Jenova they carried to be reclaimed. Thus, they rejoined with the "New God." Similarly, Sephiroth spoke of Aerith living again as part of him. It was, after all, his intention that everyone become part of him once he absorbed the Lifestream. Though it didn't stand out to most of us the first time he talked about it, or even the first dozen times, it was quite telling all along that Sephiroth said he would be reborn as a god. Returning to the matter of the "Tree of Life" title that the Sephiroth of Judaism carries, it's also notable that at the Northern Crater, Sephiroth's body was being reconstructed within a large tree. While on the subject of what lays within the Tree of Life, let us return to the matter. As mentioned before, the central node on the tree is identified as the Tifaret. Interestingly enough, the name bears a very striking resemblance to the first name of the character from the game, Tifa Lockhart. Tifa is, so to speak, the Tifaret in Final Fantasy VII, at least for Cloud. In the Lifestream, she helps him find himself and he comes to fully understand himself, the penultimate goal of following the Sephiroth's paths. Again, one seeks to find an understanding of theirself and then they may ascend to the final realm and rejoin with God. Through Tifa, Cloud reaches the highest plain of conscious existance, gaining an understanding and acceptance of himself, and, in so doing, is able to mentally contend with Sephiroth during the game's ending. Afterward, he even says that he's received an answer from the planet (the other "God" in Final Fantasy VII), suggesting that Cloud has taken that final step, a spiritual ascension and "return" to "God." In actuality, both Tifa and Cloud constitute a Tifaret. Tifa bears its virtues, while Cloud bears its vices. Just recall Cloud's attitude toward the beginning of the game. He's completely hung up on himself. He's proud in an annoying boastful fashion and clearly thinks too much of himself. Cloud also is the one to experience the effects of an unbalanced Tifaret, the illusion of over-identification. As a result of Hojo's experiments and his own unwillingness to accept himself for who he was, Cloud over-identified with that which he felt he must be in order to be special: someone like Zack. This imbalance nearly crippled Cloud's mind during the game. With Tifa's help, he was able to overcome it, and accept who he was, thus, achieving balance: ---- Cloud "Everyone...... I'm sorry. I don't know what to say......" Red XIII "Don't say anything, Cloud. All you've been doing is apologizing." Cloud "I never was in SOLDIER." "I made up the stories about what happened to me five years ago, about being in SOLDIER." "I left my village looking for glory, but never made it in to SOLDIER......" "I was so ashamed of being so weak; then I heard this story from my friend Zack..." "And I created an illusion of myself made up of what I had seen in my life....." "And I continued to play the charade as if it were true." Barret "Illusion, huh...? Pretty damn strong for a 'lusion, I'd say." Cloud "I'm physically built like someone in SOLDIER." "Hojo's plan to clone Sephiroth wasn't that difficult." "It was just the same procedure they use when creating members of SOLDIER." Cloud "You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy." "Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells......" "For better or for worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER." "It has nothing to do with the Jenova Reunion." "But weak people...... like me, get lost in the whole thing." Cloud "The combination of Jenova cells, Sephiroth's strong will, and my own weaknesses are what created me." "Everyone knew that. I'm...... Cloud." Cloud "......the master of my own illusionary world." "But I can't remain trapped in an illusion any more......" "I'm going to live my life without pretending." ---- Tifa further has a connection to the Tifaret through the name of her final Limit Break and the name of her bar in the slums of Sector 7, entitled "Final Heaven" and "7th Heaven" respectively. As previously mentioned, the Tifaret grants access to the highest realm of mortal existance; thus, it is the "Final Heaven" and -- being the seventh realm -- also the "7th Heaven." Next up for consideration is Bizarro Sephiroth (also known as "Reverse Sephiroth" and "Rebirth Sephiroth"), the next-to-final form seen of Sephiroth's body. Really, the name has a double meaning, as both "Rebirth" and "Reverse" Sephiroth apply. Not only was his body being reborn as Safer Sephiroth from the pupa-like entity on the bottom of the boss in this battle, but the name "Reverse Sephiroth" is also symbolized in that what Sephiroth was doing was a reversal of the religious Sephiroth's purpose. It's supposed to lead to God, the most high and most holy. Yet here -- deep in the bowels of Gaia, in a place whose imagery inevitably brings to mind thoughts of the Greek Underworld or even the Christian Hell -- we find him serving as the obstacle to the spell known as "Holy." In symbolically becoming the opposite of what he's supposed to be, the meaning to the symbolism of an angel with a wing on one side in the Safer Sephiroth battle that follows is readily apparent. A one-winged angel is a highly negative symbol, usually reserved for the likes of Satan. The implied meaning is that of a fall from grace. The same imagery was used for Kingdom Hearts' Riku on the cover of Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix. As for Safer Sephiroth, his appearance was heavily drawn from Judaeo- Christian concepts. Obviously there is the seraphic wing design (6 wings) below his waist, but there's also the Empyrean Halo behind his head and the Celestial Rose formed by the clouds circling him. This imagery brings to mind nothing short of the heavenly host that encirlced God in the "Paradise" installment of Dante Alighieri's "Divine Comedy" -- a work which itself features several Kabbalistic elements. In the battle with Safer Sephiroth, there is not only symbolism in the appearance of Sephiroth, but also in his name. As with "Tifaret," "a" and "e" can and are often used interchangeably for Hebrew words translated to English. That is also the case with "Safer," which may also be spelled as "Sefer," "Sapher," and "Sepher." In Hebrew, this word means "book." Therefore, "Safer Sephiroth" means "Book of Numbers." When examining the Book of Numbers of the Pentateuch, as seen in both the Bible and the Torah, we find that it involves taking up events after the Israelites had spent nearly an entire year in the Mt. Sinai area. During that time, they were promised the land of Canaan should they be obedient to God. This land came to be referred to as "the Promised Land," a concept with no shortage of significance to Final Fantasy VII. Worthy of further notice is that the Book of Numbers picks up in the second month of the second year since the Israelites' exodus from Egypt. With this in mind, I refer back to there being 22 paths that link the 10 spheres of the Sephiroth (2 & 2). Also significant is that the Book of Numbers involves the Israelites ending their settlement in Sinai, preparing to depart to claim the Promised Land of Canaan. In the Safer Sephiroth battle, the player is facing an ascended form of Sephiroth, as he is at last prepared to claim the Promised Land of the Ancients: the Lifestream. One major point to emphasise is that the Kabbalist Sephiroth is the emanations of God Himself as projected into the mortal world. In Final Fantasy VII, it was much the same in regard to Jenova and Sephiroth's relationship. He is -- in a sense -- a mutation of Jenova into a Gaian body, its "emanations" as projected into the world. While his own person and possessing his own individuality, Sephiroth is the evolution of Jenova, his own consciously perceiving mind combined with its instinctual viral desire to replicate. The manner in which this replication occurs is further reminiscent of the Kabbalistic Sephiroth, as both Jenova and Sephiroth wished for all other life forms to be part of themselves. Whether by Jenova's virus or Sephiroth's assimilation of the Lifestream, everything else would become one with them. Sephiroth, the "son" of the celestial "mother," Jenova, is also inspired by the most well-known mythological figure in the modern world: Jesus Christ. Christianity believes Jesus to be the product of an emanation of God manifesting inside the womb of a mortal woman. While not exactly the product of a virgin birth, Sephiroth was produced by the essence of his "God," Jenova, entering Lucrecia's womb and bonding with him while he was a fetus -- about as close to the religious version of events as possible given the utilization of Jenova's cells within the story. In other words, as Jesus was "God in human flesh," so Sephiroth was "Jenova in human flesh." The game's sequel, Advent Children, features another such reference in its title and developments. The Advent of Christ is said to be his return, or "second coming." This film focuses on Sephiroth's "second coming." Finally, I wish to point out the connections to Judaeo-Christian concepts as found in Aerith, the Cetra and the Promised Land. To start with, Aerith is 22 years old and there are 22 paths of the Sephiroth. The Cetra and the Promised Land's explanations are intertwined, so I will here present them together: Just as an individual following the paths of the Sephiroth and seeking their way back to God must overcome obstacles along the paths in order to achieve this, so too must one do so in seeking their Promised Land within the game's mythos. This is demonstrated in-game primarily by the Cetra's journey. It is described as a "harsh, hard journey" at the end of which they would find their Promised Land: ---- Sephiroth "This Planet originally belonged to the Cetra. Cetra was a itinerant race. They would migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on..." "At the end of their harsh, hard journey, they would find the Promised Land and supreme happiness." ---- Referring to comments on the Cetra made by Elder Hargo of Cosmo Canyon, he states that he believes the "harsh, hard journey" of the Cetra ended when they were allowed to rejoin with the Lifestream. (For more on the Cetra, FFVII's Promised Land, and this theme of hardship, refer to the article of this document entitled "What is the Promised Land?") In other words, their difficult journeys would end when they were able to join with "God" in the "Promised Land." Furthermore, the Cetra's migrations mirror the wanderings of the Israelites that left Egypt in the Pentateuch and Torah. They too sought their Promised Land. I hope that with this article I have successfully conveyed the symbolic nature of Final Fantasy VII and provided you with new reasons to appreciate the thought that went into writing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) Cait Sith Versus the World (of Reason) [5.2511In] This article (yes, by the way, its title is, indeed, a reference to that extremely difficult Extra Mission from Dirge of Cerberus) focuses on what this author personally considers among the worst lapses in judgment and greatest inconsistencies concerning the creation of Final Fantasy VII and its setting in the wider Compilation of Final Fantasy VII: an ability of Reeve's called "Inspire." Have you heard of it? Probably not. It was never mentioned in the original game, though it had been considered for inclusion in the story according to the FFVII Ultimania Omega's "Early Material Files" section (pg. 520). What it entails is this: the ability to bring inanimate objects to life. Yes, you're reading that correctly. Reeve can purportedly bring things to life. More to the point, he supposedly did this with Cait Sith according to pg. 88 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 90 of the Revised Edition), where it says, "By utilizing his special ability, 'Inspire,' he is able to cause inorganic things to emit life; his 'child,' the 'cat'-shaped robot, Cait Sith can be controlled from a great distance." With the original game's development, the developers mercifully saw reason and left this out of the plot -- at the least, it wasn't apparent in any overt way. However, since the Compilation of FFVII came into play, this baffling notion has since as returned as canon. The main issue with this idea is that it's so vaguely defined. Seemingly Cait Sith must have some AI of his own due to situations where it talks when Reeve was unable to control him, as in Episode 20 of Before Crisis -- but then the question does also come up that if Reeve magically brought this thing to life, can it be called AI at all or should it be considered genuine sentience? For that matter, even if it is AI, could it not still be of a high enough level to be classified as sentient, a la Robo from "Chrono Trigger"? Also, what is the limit of what Reeve can bring to life? Is it just stuffed animals? Could it include guns? Could it even include buildings, as TheLifestream.net forum member Shademp once joked?: "I think we just found the explanation for all the inconsistencies with Midgar. The reason that the parts of Midgar destroyed in AC are whole again in DoC is because, well, Reeve told the city to repair itself. Glad we got that sorted out!" And when Reeve does control him directly, how is that performed? Telepathically? We've never seen him operating any controls, even in the original game. The Inspire concept almost requires that it be ignored in order to make any sense of it. This isn't quite like FFVIII's setting, where it's easier to accept one character's special ability to connect the minds of people in the present to people in the past as just being there. It's an otherwise established part of the setting of that game anyway that some people inherently have higher magical affinities than others, so it's easier to swallow that someone might just be born with a magical power like that, for whatever reason. In FFVII's setting even, there are people that are inherently special. Aerith, obviously. Cloud as well, due to no less than three miraculous feats he pulled off even before being enhanced by Hojo (surviving the fall at Mt. Nibel with just scratches on his knees while trying to save Tifa, using a Raven's sword in BC, and everything he did in the reactor in Mt. Nibel when Sephiroth destroyed the village). Those don't incite confusion quite as much because they're explained to some degree. Aerith is a Cetra, and, thus, more connected to the planet than most people, etc., while Cloud's probably just one of a lucky few who is able to draw upon his spirit energy more easily than others (though the established metaphysics make it clear that anyone can Limit Break, so Cloud's not special in an inhuman way to begin with). But then with Reeve you've got this guy who can make stuffed animals walk around and talk on their own. And beat up bad guys. And no one else has this ability, it's not explained to any degree whatsoever, we don't even know what the process looks like, etc. They should have just stuck to Cait Sith being a robot. Heck, they could have even said Reeve did it with a special materia and that would have been an improvement. There would still be questions that could be raised about the limits of this materia's ability, but at least the explanation for Cait Sith would be utilizing metaphysics that play so much of a role elsewhere in FFVII, rather than requiring new ones from nowhere that appear nowhere else. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------Spirit Energy and Memories: The Magic of Final Fantasy[6.0Sp] An essay that explains the origins of life and magic in Final Fantasy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foreword to the 10 billionth edition [6.1Sp] Despite the shame and feelings of time wasted that ultimately drove me to abandon this FAQ, there are parts of it that I'm still proud of. This essay is probably the part of which I'm most proud. I feel that way primarily because I came to the conclusions discussed here entirely on my own. I just noticed similarities between the various Final Fantasy titles over time and then investigated them. Another reason I'm proud of it is that almost every detail has been supported over the years by various official releases from Square Enix, including the Ultimania guides and new titles. There were a few mistakes, sure, but none related to the concept discussed here itself. The only mistakes I can remember off the top of my head from when this essay was first written -- mentioned now in the interest of full disclosure -- were thinking that Sin from Final Fantasy X was an aeon and forgetting that people could still use para-magic in Final Fantasy VIII even if they didn't have a Guardian Force junctioned. If you ever feel interested in seeing an earlier version -- though I hope to God you aren't -- you can check out this version from May 9, 2005, over on RPGamer.com: http://rpgamer.com/editor/2005/q2/050905gm.html Anyway, the earliest version of this article saw the light of day near the end of 2004 on Gaia Online's forums -- before I'd ever even seen the inside of an Ultimania. Another reason I can't help but smile when I think about how the ideas here have gained official support. Anyway, I hope that all who read this essay will enjoy it, gain a greater understanding of some games they love, or both. I honestly had fun putting it together. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And the cycle went on" [6.2Sp] As this is a long essay, I will state its argument upfront: I believe that memories and their derivative, spirit energy, are the source of life and magic in many of the Final Fantasy titles. Furthermore, I believe that their worlds -- at the very least, the worlds of VII, VIII, IX, X/X-2 and The Spirits Within -- have a Lifestream. In FFVII, there is a concept that the souls of those who die return to the planet, then cycle back to the surface to live out another life: ---- Bugenhagen "Well, let's get to the subject." "Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they die?" "The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their souls?" "The soul too returns to the Planet." "And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In fact, all living things in the universe, are the same." "The spirits that return to the Planet, merge with one another and roam the Planet." "They roam, converge, and divide, becoming a swell, called the 'Lifestream'." "Lifestream.... In other words, a path of energy of the souls roaming the Planet." "'Spirit Energy' is a word that you should never forget." "A new life... children are blessed with Spirit energy and are brought into the world." "Then, the time comes when they die and once again return to the Planet..." ---- We're also made aware that the game's materia (the spheres through which people in this world access magic) are crystalized spirit energy that can be created through both natural and artificial means. In either case, it's created when energy from the Lifestream rises or is siphoned to the surface, combines with other physical materials there, condenses into mako, and then crystalizes into materia. We're also informed that when one has died and their spirit energy returns to the planet, it takes with it the knowledge (memories) of the individual that it had provided life for, and it is through these memories that the wielders of materia connect to the planet and call forth magic: (Stated by Sephiroth on Mt. Nibel.) ---- "...the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients is held in the materia." "Anyone with this knowledge can freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts between ourselves and the planet calling up magic..... or so they say." ---- The same concepts show up in The Spirits Within, in which it is said that the spirits of those who die return to the "Gaia" (the spirit of the Earth), taking with them the experiences (memories) of their lifetimes. These experiences then allow the Gaia to grow, with the implication offered that the spirit energy will be recycled back onto the surface world to supply another life form with spirit energy: (Stated by Aki, quoting Dr. Sid's journal) ---- "All life is born of Gaia and each life has a spirit. Each new spirit is housed in a physical body. ...Through their experiences on Earth, each spirit matures and grows. When the physical body dies, the mature spirit, enriched by its life on Earth, returns to Gaia bringing with it the experiences, enabling Gaia to live and grow." ---- FFIX has this concept as well: (Said by Mikoto in Bran Bal) ---- "Planets have a cycle of souls. Souls are born from the planet, and then return to it." ---- Though the source of souls here is only referred to as "the light" of a planet rather than "the Lifestream" or "the Gaia," it's made apparent that this "light" is at the center of the planet, as with FFVII's Lifestream or TSW's Gaia. It becomes clear, then, that these concepts are one and the same. Each of these worlds possesses the same spiritual properties of a Lifestream, Gaia or "light." The planet sends out bits of its spirit to give life to each living thing as it is born, and when those creatures die, this energy returns to the planet's core, enabling the planet to grow through the accumulated memories of each life form's lifetime. Though I suspected this to be the case for several years after The Spirits Within was released in 2001, it was confirmed to be the case for Final Fantasy VII's Lifestream by its Ultimania Omega in 2005 (pg. 217). Even later I would learn that Final Fantasy IX's Ultimania guide confirmed the same thing to be true of the planets featured in its story as well (pg. 40). What remains unclear, however, is whether all planets with a Lifestream also have a crystal at their core, governing their cycle of souls, as is the case with the worlds in Final Fantasy IX according to its Ultimania (pg. 40). I personally believe it to be so. The already great similarities in play are emphasized further by another detail mentioned on pg. 40 of FFIX's Ultimania: when planets die, their crystal returns to the larger universe the same as the energy from a living creature returns to its planet's crystal at death. Those who have played Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII will know that this same concept is part of the Final Fantasy VII mythos. When planets die, their remaining Lifestream departs for space. Though I don't personally accept Dirge of Cerberus into my canon, I don't have to in order to recognize this concept. It was declared years before DC's release in an interview by EDGE magazine with Tetsuya Nomura and Yoshinori Kitase. In the magazine's May 2003 edition (issue #123), the following statement was made by Kitase on pg. 111: "Sakaguchi had a great vision of the force behind the universe. He wanted to explore the idea that planets and people share the same basic energy and so are, in some way, intrinsically linked. He developed this philosophy from drawing upon other cultures that stated when a planet disappears an invisible energy is released into space." Of further significance, on the next page, Kitase made this statement as well: "Sakaguchi-san's main ideas for FFVII and the world he imagined for the game (the creatures, etc.) were very closely integrated into the 'Final Fantasy' movie." In said movie, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, while we don't see a cluster of energy flying off into space in the same fashion as in Dirge of Cerberus, we do see the Phantom homeworld destroyed while a fragment of it is ejected into space. This fragment, of course, carries the Phantom homeworld's own Gaia -- its Lifestream, which attempts to restart its cycle of souls by assimilating Earth's Lifestream. If the idea sounds similar to Terra's attempted assimilation of Gaia in FFIX, by the way, that's because it is. Terra's Lifestream survived by assimilating other worlds' crystals/Lifestreams, again confirmed on pg. 40 of that game's Ultimania. In any event, what's most important to the topic at hand is this: We have all three of these titles sharing Lifestream concepts, right down to the idea that the worlds depicted return to space when they die -- as though there is a "universal Lifestream." Perhaps it's the "original crystal" seen in the final showdown with Kuja in FFIX? It is, after all, identified as having been there before space, and had Kuja destroyed it in the past, it was said that the entire universe would have perished. That in mind, I believe the spiritual properties of the worlds in Final Fantasy VII, IX and The Spirits Within to be identical. Not only with a cycle of souls, a Lifestream and a return to the universe at death, but up to and including the idea that a crystal dwells at the utmost core of each planet, governing that world's cycle of souls. Knowing also that FFX and FFVII exist in the same universe (see the above article entitled "Is FFVII connected to FFX and X-2?"), it stands to reason then that the world of Spira shares similar, if not identical, properties. Indeed, Spira seems to feature a cycle of souls -- or at least a belief in reincarnation -- as demonstrated by a Spiran mourning the loss of a loved on the Farplane near the end of FFX. When speaking to this individual, they will say to the apparition of their deceased loved one, "I hope you live your next life in a world without Sin. Do not return to Spira." In addition, images of the dead like this apparition can only be witnessed on the Farplane after that individual's pyreflies -- their spirit energy -- have been returned to the interior of the planet. Despite the Al Bhed theory in FFX that the dead seen on the Farplane were illusions created by one's own memories, the scholar Maechen states that no living person's image has been seen on the Farplane. For that matter, even dead, neither Lady Ginnem nor Seymour Guado's images appear until after Yuna has sent the two to the Farplane. Though Seymour's image is never actually shown there in-game, Tromell is distressed by the fact that he doesn't appear until such time as he's been sent: "I have prayed and prayed, yet Lord Seymour does not appear. Has he not reached the Farplane? Has he become a fiend? Oh, my poor Lord Seymour... Tell me, where do you wander?" Afterward, Tromell speaks as though he sees Seymour's image in addition to Jyscal's, whose form is shown: "Benevolent Lord Jyscal, and most wise Lord Seymour. The days spent in your service were the best in this old man's life. Those of us left behind will soon be destroyed by Sin and join you in the Farplane. I will serve you there as I have served you in this world, always." It would also seem that a person's soul generally journeys to the Farplane after death without assistance -- a process greatly upset by Sin. Only in the cases of souls with powerful wills who died with unfinished business (unsent) or feelings of envy and resentment toward those still living (fiends) do we see an unsent or fiend emerge. Sin's activities contributed greatly toward the latter's numbers growing, but those who accept their death journey to the Farplane uninhibited, as was the case with Tidus' mother. Similarly, on FFVII's Gaia, we see unsent in the form of Sephiroth's shinentai in Advent Children, and the Cetra spirits guarding the Temple of the Ancients in the original game. As well, fiend-like creatures are represented by the Gi Tribe spirits found in the Gi Cave, malevolent beings who became such due to their resentment for the people of Cosmo Canyon. Of further indication that there are similarities between FFVII's cycle of souls and that of Gaia, we have the comments of Kazushige Nojima, scenario writer of both FFVII and FFX, as well as FFVIII and FFX-2. In FFX's Ultimania Omega, Nojima said that he conceived the spiritual properties of Spira as identicial to those in FFVII, with pyreflies and FFVII's Lifestream being composed of the same substance (pg. 191). Furthermore, Nojima said that there's something like the Lifestream itself in FFX's world. Indeed, in FFX-2, Shinra of the Gullwings describes the Farplane -- which lay at the center of Spira, as with Gaia's Lifestream -- as housing "the life force that flows through our planet." Now, with the understanding that FFVII, IX, X/X-2 and The Spirits Within all feature this same concept, let's begin looking at how magic manifests in their worlds. Probably most apparent is the already discussed materia of Final Fantasy VII. Crystalized fragments of the Lifestream, they grant their wielders a connection to the planet and the means to use its power in a variety of ways. Similar ideas are abundant throughout Final Fantasy VII, including the infusion of mako into members of SOLDIER, the use of the Sister Ray to break Sephiroth's magical barrier around the Northern Crater, and the use of mako energy for electricity. In all these cases, the spiritual essence of the planet is used to provide some form of power, whether it be obviously magical or a hybrid of magic and technology. The same ideas -- though with a much greater magic-technology hybrid representation -- appear in The Spirits Within. There, the OVOpacks used to power everything were harvested from micro-organisms, their "bioetheric energy" -- spirit energy -- drawn out to be used as a power source. One of the Eight Spirits used to counter the Phantom homeworld's Gaia was one of these OVOpacks: (In the battlefield wasteland of Tuscon, Arizona) ---- Aki "We're very close." Gray "I don't see anything." ::The group spots a dead soldier:: Gray "You're not gonna tell me it's him?" Ryan "That's impossible." Aki "It's not the soldier. It's his OVOpack." Gray "How do you explain that? Packs power the weapons, the barrier cities. I mean it's just bioetheric energy." Aki "And to create that energy we use living tissue; single cell organisms." Gray "You're telling me his backpack is the seventh spirit." Aki "Yes." ---- Again, spirit energy was the source of power. Used in this case to power the weapons employed against the Phantoms, the shields that kept them out of the barrier cities, and also -- in another striking similarity to FFVII -- the Zeus Cannon. While not a source of power in this case, we see the influence of memories as related to spirit energy in another way in The Spirits Within. Aki Ross frequently dreams of the final moments of a Phantom who left a fragment of its spirit energy within her. Next, let's look at Final Fantasy IX. Here, we find the cycle of souls interrupted by the Iifa Tree. As a result, Mist covers much of one continent and later the whole world. Black Mages -- beings with the inherent ability to use magic -- are created from this Mist, which Garland reveals to be the stagnant souls of the dead that were unable to return to the core of the planet. In other words, the Black Mages were composed of spirit energy that could not return to the core of the planet, was next siphoned into machines by Kuja, and then processed into Black Mages -- a procedure with overt similarities to the mako refinement process used in Shin-Ra's mako reactors in FFVII. In addition, the Mist was also harnessed as a power source for airships, just as mako was a power source for certain vehicles seen in FFVII, such as those showcased in the Shin-Ra Motor Mobiles video in the Shin-Ra headquarters gift shop. Spirit energy/memories are also revealed as the origin of FFIX's Eidolons, that game's incarnation of summon creatures. Consider the writing on the Eidolon Wall of Madain Sari: (Some of this text is only accessible after performing the small Eidolon Wall sidequest) ---- "The Legend of Eidolons We discovered eidolons by researching legends documented from around the world. The Thunder God, Ramuh, is one of those legends. Some theorize that the eidolons were created from the legends, and not the other way around." ... "The First Eidolon Discovered, Shiva Shiva took the form of a young girl when she was first discovered. She now appears as a grown woman. Eidolons adapt their forms to the time and culture in which they appear. Shiva illustrates this theory. In certain areas, Shiva is depicted as a snow fairy. This cannot be verified, since the only written document that remains is in the summoner village. People associate Shiva with the snow fairy. Why she changes forms remains a mystery." ---- The summoners of the village determined that the legends of Eidolons are what created them rather than the reverse -- meaning that the collective memory of these legendary creatures amongst the citizens of a village or tribe served as the basis for their creation. Indeed, the FFIX Ultimania confirms that the Eidolons were born as guardians for the crystal at the center of FFIX's world of Gaia -- created from an accumulation of memories (pg. 42). As detailed by the Eidolon Wall, the pervasive influence of memories in the creation of Eidolons even determines their appearances. Local customs and conceptions determine the forms they take when manifest. How the Eidolons came to be associated with the various objects that allow a summoner to call them, however, remains unknown. The only one known for certain is the ribbon that allows Eiko to summon Madeen. It may well be that legends associating these items -- a garnet for Bahamut, an aquamarine for Leviathan, etc. -- with the creatures led to that association becoming reality in the same way that the legends of Eidolons led to the creation of the creatures. Essentially, a tangible case of mind over matter -- perception influencing reality. Moving forward, in Final Fantasy X and X-2, we see spheres -- which bear the same shape as Final Fantasy VII's materia -- used as a source of power constantly, even in the playable characters' basic battle growth (the Sphere Grid and dressphere systems from FFX and X-2 respectively). The process of sphere creation seems identical to that of materia as well. In Final Fantasy X, we learn that even the most simple audio and visual spheres are made when a special form of water absorbs and records people's memories: (In Macalania Woods, at the lake where the Spherimorph was fought) ---- Tidus "This place..." "It's just water, isn't it?" Auron "This is what spheres are made of." "It absorbs and preserves people's memories." ---- Then, in X-2, we're blatantly told that spheres are composed of pyreflies: (In Cloister Infinity/Cloister 100 of the Via Infinito) ---- Rikku: "So what happened to everyone's Spheres?" Trema: "Destroyed. Turned to pyreflies and scattered." ---- Detailing the matter further, Final Fantasy X's Scenario Ultimania guide explains that spheres are composed of water that contain a high concentration of pyreflies (pg. 59). It's also said that water and pyreflies combine with one another easily. On FFVII's world, materia form when spirit energy has risen to the surface and combined with some unidentified matter, creating a compressed, physical substance that flows like liquid. I would postulate that the substance spirit energy combines with to form materia is water -- making the process identical to the process of sphere formation witnessed on Spira. Comparing the spring in Macalania -- where spheres were known to form -- with the mako fountain on Mt. Nibel in FFVII -- from which materia were known to form -- there are obvious similarities: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/spherespring.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/MakoFountain4.jpg Furthermore, as seen in Advent Children, water and the Lifestream do seem to mingle with one another quite well, as Aerith makes liberal use of such a combination. The rain she uses to heal Geostigma is made of such a mixture, Lifestream energy visible inside the water that first emerges from the ground in Aerith's church: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/LifestreamWater.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/LifestreamWater2.jpg Of even greater similarity to materia, the dresspheres of Final Fantasy X-2 are demonstrated to be the crystalized pyreflies/spirit energy of people from the past. Lenne's memories were the basis for the Songtstress dressphere, and her spirit even emerges from the dressphere after the final confrontation with Shuyin. It is because this dressphere was formed from Lenne's spirit energy that Yuna often experiences Lenne's memories and feelings -- especially from the time of her death -- in much the same way as Aki in The Spirits Within has dreams of a Phantom's final moments. This dressphere is also the cause for Shuyin confusing Yuna with Lenne on several occasions: ---- Buddy "Lenne, huh?" Shinra "Yeah, the girl from the Songstress dressphere." Yuna "That's Lenne?" Shinra "Sure. She wore that dress one thousand years ago." Rikku "Why didn't you tell us?" Shinra "No one asked. Besides, all I knew was her name. What's to tell?" Yuna (narrating) "What Shinra said surprised me, but only a little. So there really was a connection." Rikku "Okay, okay. So, the reason Shuyin keeps calling Yuna 'Lenne' is --" Paine "Because of that dressphere?" ---- Another striking example of pyreflies providing power occurs near the end of FFX-2, when Shinra makes observations that will eventually lead to the creation of mako reactors on FFVII's Gaia: ---- Shinra "Aha..." Yuna "What are you looking at?" Shinra "Farplane data." Shinra "The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there." Yuna "Limitless energy?" Shinra "The life force that flows through our planet...I think." Shinra "With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form." Brother "Sweet!" Shinra "Of course, that'd take generations." Brother "That's no fun!" Buddy "Well, still, it is something worth shooting for." Yuna "Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work!" Yuna "Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!" Shinra "No doubt about it." ---- On another occasion, Seymour Guado uses the pyreflies of the murdered Maester Kinoc and several Yevon guards for power as he transforms into Seymour Natus. Perhaps the most frequent and overt example of pyreflies providing power on Spira, however, comes with Sin itself. Yu Yevon formed this immensely powerful armor by gathering pyreflies around himself and holding them together with gravity spells (also confirmed on pg. 82 of the FFX Ultimania Omega): (As Maester Mika turns to pyreflies and vanishes) ---- Rikku "Wait, gramps! Who's Yu Yevon?" Mika "He who crafts the souls of the dead into unholy armor." "An armor called Sin." ---- To summarize things thus far, we can conclude not only that the Lifestream of FFVII, the "lights" of FFIX and the Gaia of The Spirits Within are the same, but we can also determine that pyreflies and spirit energy are the same. Concordantly, we can also identify materia and spheres as the same. Next, I would like to draw Final Fantasy VIII into the fold of FF titles that feature a Lifestream and utilize memories as magic. Here, we find less obvious but no less relevant examples. Scattered across the world of Final Fantasy VIII are draw points, areas on the surface of the planet where tendrils of energy leak out and can be "drawn" into one who is junctioned to a Guardian Force (Final Fantasy VIII's summons). This energy, which resembles Lifestream energy, manifests as a variety of magical spells at the world's many draw points, just as mako fountains on FFVII's world of Gaia produce a variety of materia. Equally significant is the process by which people on FFVIII's world use Guardian Forces. Junctioning oneself to a GF causes memory loss over time, suggesting that the GF draws on the memories of its junctioned partner in order to supply them with its power: (After Squall and the other main characters -- minus Rinoa -- discover that they grew up together, but that all of them except Irvine had forgotten) ---- Squall "...Why is it that we forgot?" "We grew up together as kids...How's that possible...?" Irvine "How about this?" "...The price we pay for using the GF." "The GF provides us its power." "But the GF makes its own place inside our brain..." Quistis "So you're saying that the area is where our memories are stored?" "No...! That's just a rumor the GF critics are spreading." Zell "So if we keep relying on the GF, we won't be able to remember a lot of things?" Quistis "There's no way Headmaster Cid would allow such a dangerous thing!" Irvine "Then how is it that I remember, while everyone else has forgotten?" "Well...?" "In my case, I hadn't junctioned a GF until recently." "That's why I remember a lot more than you guys." Quistis "How about you, Selphie?" "Your first experience with the GF was when you came to Balamb Garden, right?" Selphie "...Yeah." ... Selphie "I have a confession to make!" Selphie "When I was 12, I went on an outdoor training session." "I found a GF inside one of the monsters I defeated..." "I junctioned that GF for a while. So I have experience with GF, too." "But...but, it's really weird! I can't remember the name of that GF!" Quistis "It must be the GF's fault..." ---- This process actually bears a great similarity to that which summoners use to access an aeon's power in Final Fantasy X. Summoners commune with fayth, statues in which spirits reside, in order to draw on surrounding pyreflies and form them into aeons. These fayth provide the summoner with the "blueprints," so to speak, for creating their particular aeon. This is most obvious with the largest summon in Final Fantasy X: Dream Zanarkand, Tidus' home. The entire city is a summoned construct created from the memories of the fayth who were once the citizens of the original Zanarkand: ---- Bahamut's fayth "Long ago, there was a war." Tidus "Yeah, with machina, right?" Bahamut's fayth "Yes. A war between Zanarkand and Bevelle." "Bevelle's machina assured their victory from the start. Spira had never seen such power." "The summoners of Zanarkand didn't stand a chance." "Zanarkand was doomed to oblivion." "That's why we tried to save it--if only in a memory." Tidus "What did you do?" Fayth "The remaining summoners and the townspeople that survived the war..." "They all became fayth--fayth for the summoning." Tidus "The summoning... You mean Sin?" Fayth "No. I mean this place." "A Zanarkand that never sleeps." Tidus "What?" Fayth "The dreams of the fayth summoned the memories of the city." "They summoned all the buildings, all the people who lived there." ---- I would argue that the individual junctioned to a GF in Final Fantasy VIII acts as a fayth of sorts for their summon, though they aren't providing the blueprints for the summoning; they provide the power instead, with their memories. The fayth of FFX, on the other hand, provide the schematics, while the summoner provides the power in a different way, drawing on surrounding pyreflies -- which are spirit energy, and, thus, grew from memories. Both processes are similar to the use of materia on FFVII's world. Materia connect their wielder to the Lifestream, and the memories within the sphere provide the blueprints to a spell. The established connection is then used to manifest the spell with the Lifestream's energy -- the reason the heroes of Final Fantasy VII no longer use materia by the time of Advent Children, according to a comment from Tetsuya Nomura in the Advent Children Reunion Files book (pg. 87). Based on what we've examined here, I would conclude that Final Fantasy VIII's world also has a Lifestream. Now, let's turn our attention very briefly to Final Fantasy: Unlimited. Throughout this series, various types of sandy material -- more varied in color than even materia -- known as "soil" were the fuel for powering certain weaponry and many machines. As you might expect by now, the revelation eventually comes that soil is the life crystals of the dead. In other words, soil is the crystalized spirit energy/memories of the dead. This tendency for spirit energy to crystalize also appears in Final Fantasy VI, where dying Espers become crystals called magicite, and -- though only demonstrated as a gameplay mechanic here -- Final Fantasy Tactics, where the spirits of warriors who die in battle also become crystals. In both cases, these crystals allow those who claim them to learn abilities that belonged to the deceased life form. That said, the spiritual nature of the worlds featured in these three Final Fantasy titles are not elaborated on enough for me to conclude that they also must feature Lifestreams. In Final Fantasy VI's case, the Goddess Statues seem to be the origin of magic and a supernatural train carries away the souls of the dead. That said, the Goddess Statues are spoken of in legend, and their role in magic could be yet another example of folklore influencing reality, as with the Eidolons of FFIX. Even the Phantom Train could simply be a manifestation of a common cultural understanding, literally carrying the souls of the dead to the planet's core. I won't venture to claim that it must be so, but I wouldn't throw out the possibility either. In any case, spirit energy and, thus, memories are at the very least, *a* source of magic on the worlds of FFVI, Tactics and Unlimited, if not *the* source of magic. Based on all that we've examined here, I believe we can confidently conclude that Lifestreams and their associated metaphysical phenomena -- memories as the source of life and magic -- are a presence in at least the worlds of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, X/X-2 and The Spirits Within. As well, the worlds of Final Fantasy VI, Tactics and Unlimited at least bear some of the associated cosmology, if not the entire framework. This leaves us to ponder: Do all the Final Fantasy titles at some level involve memories as the source of life and magic? Having played Final Fantasy XII and Vagrant Story, I must admit that if the theme is present in either, I overlooked it. In addition, given that they take place in the same world as Tactics, that calls into question whether Tactics is part of this theme beyond a simple gameplay mechanic. Also, having little knowledge of Final Fantasy XI's story, I can't offer much commentary on whether the world of Vana'diel houses a Lifestream, though my understanding is that it does not. Will we eventually see some retroactive plot development that encompasses all previous Final Fantasy titles that haven't already been included in this theme? Will Final Fantasy XIII be the next title to feature the concept? Or has it been laid to rest? The answers to these questions will hopefully continue to come forth, even as the memories of these stories continue to grow. [Addendum on January 24, 2010: I now own the Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide, which features a section on pg. 8 that talks about the origins of power and magic on the various worlds in the FF series. This section confirms much of my theorizing written above. Please do enjoy this translation I've performed; I know I did: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/spiritenergyandmemories .jpg ---- SOURCE OF POWER The world that serves as the stage of each work is supported by some great power. In the early works, the power of the 4 elements of Earth, Water, Fire and Wind serve this essential role, appearing alongside crystals they correlate with. On the other hand, with "VII" and onward, a worldview on life and death was introduced to fill the role, and the "power of life" became the essential factor. In addition, the works beginning with "VII" filled their worlds with many manifestations of this "power." They feature the crystalline objects of power named "materia," "spheres," and the like, and in each, they are deeply related to the story, being, for example, the means by which magic is used. [Diagram at left] Root of the world: "I", "III," "IV," "V" Crystals<-->Power of the world (Earth, Water, Fire and Wind) In "I," "III," "IV" and "V," the world is supported by the 4 cornerstone powers of Earth, Water, Fire and Wind. In "I," the crystals have the symbols of the four powers, and are the source of the 4 powers in the other 3 works as well; furthermore, in "IV," a set of these crystals exist in each of the following: on the terran level, in the underworld, and on the moon. [Diagram in upper-right] Wondrous powers that permeate the world: "VII," "IX," "X," "X-2," "XII" Power of Life ["VII," "IX," "X," "X-2"] Source of magical powers ["VII," "X," "X-2," "XII"] "VII" - Spirit energy (mako) Power of life. Returns to the planet to bring about new life, but the substance called "mako" is drawn out of the planet as a power source and for other purposes at an abusive rate. Condenses as: Materia "IX" - "Mist" Residual element of the souls that should return to the planet, but are discharged into the atmosphere. While it can be harnessed as fuel for airships, it has a negative influence on living things. "X," "X-2" - Pyreflies An energy that resides in the atmosphere, in water, underground, and in the bodies of living things; when they gather in high concentrations, they become visibile as clusters of light. When reacting to thoughts, they can assume substance. Condenses as: Spheres "XII" - Mist Source of magical powers. When densely concentrated, it becomes visible as a fog. The stones called "magicite" hold mist within, and serve as the drive mechanism for airships. Circle of Life "After death, a life will circle the planet and be born again as a new life. Lives enrich the planet and make it grow" -- this worldview on life and death underlying "VII" is similar to ideas seen in "IX" and "X." In the story of "IX," it was defined by the idea that the crystals residing at the center of planets circulate life, and as the memories of living beings accumulate inside the crystals, the planets grow. In "X" and "X-2," a power of life equivalent to that called "mako" in "VII" is featured via the phenomenon called "pyreflies"; it is related to the underground "Farplane," where the dead reside -- and, so, the idea of "the power of life returning underground after diffusing into the atmosphere" takes form here as well. Also, though the concept isn't explicitly stated within the stories of "III," "IV" and "XI," as with the afore-mentioned works, it can be inferred that life circulates these worlds as well. [Caption next to a screenshot of Anna's spirit talking to Gilbert/Edward in FFIV] In "IV," Anna, who lost her life, speaks of "becoming one with the great spirit" before vanishing; a worldview on life and death like that in "VII" and the others can be inferred here. [Diagram in bottom-right] Stream of Life: "VII," "IX," "X," "X-2" 1) A new life is born 2) That life dies and its energy then disperses 3) The dispersed energy returns to the planet, and enriches the planet to grow "VII" Lifestream A current of the power of life (spirit energy) that circulates within the planet. An enormous swell of knowledge is woven throughout, and, when in direct contact, can cause the mind of an ordinary person to collapse. "IX" Crystal The object at the center of a planet which stores the power of life and makes the planet exist. Once a crystal has aged, it returns to the cosmos and becomes the source of a new crystal. "X," "X-2" Farplane The place to which the deceased return. In "X-2," an enormous swell of energy is determined to exist in its subterranean depths. ---- As can be seen, this confirms a great many of the conclusions I'd drawn about spirit energy and memories in Final Fantasy. I even think that the diagram that talks about FFVII, IX and X/X-2's worlds appears to indicate that I may have been right about a crystal residing within that sphere on Spira's Farplane -- which would also suggest that FFVII's world has one. Though some things were not addressed, I feel confident that the reasoning and conclusions were sound nonetheless.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------What is the FFVII canon?--------------[7.0Wh] An article clarifying once and for all what is and is not part of the official continuity of the FFVII series. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction [7.1Wh] Over the years, it's become hard work for FFVII fans to keep up with what's supposed to be canon and what isn't. Amidst all the games, movies, novellas, guide books, and alternate universe titles, what's a FFVII fan to do? Read this article, that's what! I'm going to take all the work out of it on your end and lay everything out for you, the fans, to digest in a simple, easy-to-follow manner. So, the next time you're in a debate about FFVII with HeartlessAngel527 or FlowerGoddess777 and they begin to reference Cloud's wing, Aerith waiting around for a certain spikey-haired emo kid, or other stuff you know doesn't belong, you can go all Phoenix Wright on them. So, let's get started. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The canon [7.2Wh] First, let's list in order of publication all the FFVII games that have come out since 1997 and the release of the original FFVII: -Before Crisis (2004) -Final Fantasy VII Snowboarding (2005) -Dirge of Cerberus (2006) -Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode (2006) -Crisis Core (2007) Next, we'll list all FFVII movies, also in their order of publication: -Advent Children (2005) -Last Order (2005) -Advent Children Complete (2009) -On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel (2009) Next up, a list of FFVII novellas: -The diary-like entries by several characters in the FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide book (1997) -Maiden Who Travels the Planet (2005) -On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel (2005) Case of Tifa (2005) Case of Barret (2007) Case of Denzel (revised edition; 2009) Case of Tifa (revised edition; 2009) Case of Barret (revised edition; 2009) Case of Yuffie (2009) Case of Nanaki (2009) Case of Shin-Ra (2009) Case of the Lifestream Black (2009) Case of the Lifestream White (2009) -Lateral Biography TURKS -The Kids Are Alright- (2011) Finally, a list of other games that include FFVII characters or plot elements also found in FFVII: -Final Fantasy Tactics (1997) -Ehrgeiz (1998) -Chocobo Racing (1999) -Final Fantasy X (2001) -Kingdom Hearts series (began in 2002) -Final Fantasy X-2 (2003) -Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Special (2004) -Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Portable (2006) -Dissidia Final Fantasy series (began in 2008) Before going into the whys and wherefores concerning some titles being canon and others not, I will now give you *the list of titles that are definitely canon to the FFVII story*: -Before Crisis -Dirge of Cerberus -Crisis Core -Advent Children Complete -On the Way to a Smile (all of them) -Final Fantasy Tactics -Final Fantasy X -Final Fantasy X-2 -Dissidia Final Fantasy series Next, *the list of titles with ambiguous canonicity*: -The diary-like entries in FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete -Maiden Who Travels the Planet Now, let's move on to those whys and wherefores. First, let's refresh on what the term "canon" means. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What does "canon" mean? [7.3Wh] The word is derived from the Greek word "kanon," meaning "rule," "standard" or "measure." Itself derived from the Hebrew word "kaneh," it first came into use in its modern meaning from the councils who decided the ecclesiastical laws and official texts of the Catholic Church, those becoming the canon laws and texts. Eventually adapted from that concept, canon for a fictional universe -- or the franchise that depicts it -- is what is considered to be the official continuity. For an illustration of this concept, let's turn to the franchise that pioneered criteria for determining such matters where fictional universes are concerned. "Star Wars" is George Lucas's creation, and -- being officially licensed creations as they are -- while he might take elements added to the so-called Expanded Universe of "Star Wars" by other authors, only those titles with direct involvement or approval from Lucas himself are considered the "absolute canon, the real story of ?eStar Wars'" as Stephen J. Sansweet, Director of Content Management and Head of Fan Relations for Lucasfilm, has referred to it. Though distinctions may become difficult at times due to the Expanded Universe featuring a great many products that are all officially licensed by Lucasfilm even while Lucas himself has no direct involvement in their creation (consequently, the overall franchise has a tiered hierarchy with levels of canonicity rather than a strictly in-or-out policy), comments from Lucas in the May 2008 issue of "Total Film" magazine make the matter quite simple: "... the movies and TV shows are all under my control and they are consistent within themselves." With that comment as the basis for determining absolute "Star Wars" canon, the overall definitive canon of the franchise is the seven films ("The Phantom Menace," "Attack of the Clones," "The Clone Wars," "Revenge of the Sith," "A New Hope," "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi"), as well as the animated series "Star Wars: Droids," "Star Wars: Ewoks," and both the "Clone Wars" and "The Clone Wars." Information from interviews with Lucas or his production notes also fall under this umbrella, as do any deleted scenes from the films that are not in conflict with the final products. In the event of new Lucas-involved media -- including rereleases of past films -- that introduce new material or contradict previous facts, the newer material is considered to replace the old, and the most current vision of events becomes the new canon. Though there is disagreement among fans about the exact mechanics of it all where Expanded Universe titles are concerned, a simple standard often followed is that EU titles can be considered in-continuity so long as they do not contradict established facts from the Lucas-involved works. However, due to his lack of involvement, they are at risk for being written out of continuity altogether -- "decanonized" is the term often used -- in the event that Lucas puts out a new work with elements that don't correlate to those in the EU material. Without the overall protection of being a work from Lucas himself, those elements of contradiction call into question the rest of the work, and -- unless otherwise afforded a place in the official continuity by a comment to that effect from Lucas -- the entire work itself is considered struck from canon, or decanonized. Lucas himself keeps the concept even more simple than that. As far as he's concerned, there's two "Star Wars" continuities -- the universe he works on, and the parallel Expanded Universe, which includes all the details of his own continuity, as well as those added by other authors. As he put it in an August 2005 interview with "Starlog" magazine, "When I said [other people] could make their own 'Star Wars' stories, we decided that, like 'Star Trek', we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one." Due to examining the "Star Wars" franchise, we're unavoidably getting a bit far afield of the idea in its most general terms, so the concept of canon as it applies to fiction is best summarized as follows: it is the official continuity of a fictional universe as recognized by the franchise's owners and/or creators, in which the most recent depiction of events is considered to be the current version. Obviously, it can become a bit tricky for situations where the original creator no longer holds ownership rights to the creation and it's then taken in different directions than the creator intended, but these standards generally work pretty well. Also, while one might think it becomes more difficult to make determinations about canon when dealing with products such as Final Fantasy VII, where the finished product was the work of several core creators and is also owned by a company that they merely work for, it can actually be much easier, for reasons we're about to see. Now that we have a standard for determining canonicity, we'll begin applying it to the various FFVII-related media in order to establish why the list given earlier is the definitive canon of the franchise. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why are some FFVII titles canon and others not? [7.4Wh] First, and most simply put, the original FFVII, as well as Advent Children/Advent Children Complete, Before Crisis, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, the On the Way to a Smile novellas, and The Kids Are Alright all fall under the collective title "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII." This series encompasses the canon of the FFVII series. Though once counted as part of the Compilation on pg. 25 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 23 and 25 of the Revised Edition) in its "Final Fantasy VII series" section, Last Order and Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode were later identified as "works outside the Compilation" (コンピレーション外の 作品) on pg. 226 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/LOsnotcanonnomo.jpg As such, these two titles are no longer considered canon to the FFVII series. In the case of the 2005 version of Advent Children, per the standards of canon we discussed above, it was replaced in continuity in 2009 by Advent Children Complete, an extended version of the original that added new scenes and altered existing ones. Similarly, the revised editions of the three On the Way to a Smile stories to have been revised take the originals' place in canon. For its part, Final Fantasy VII Snowboarding is just the mini-game from the original FFVII, and lacks any story elements. It's neither omitted from nor included in canon any further than the story-based part of the original game that included the mini-game. In the case of Ehrgeiz, Chocobo Racing and the Itadaki Street games, these also lack any story-based elements where the FFVII characters are concerned, and none fit into the established FFVII setting anyway. Ehrgeiz takes place on our own Earth and likely just included FFVII characters for marketing purposes and the novelty of the idea, while Itadaki Street is essentially a board game that's played as a video game. As for Chocobo Racing, Cloud is just a secret character there not even involved in the game's storyline. The Kingdom Hearts series, meanwhile, takes place in an alternate universe from the established Final Fantasy universes, and the FF characters featured within are not the characters from the FF games that included them. In an interview from issue #61 of the Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine (October 2002 issue, pg. 139), Tetsuya Nomura made this clear when he said, "There's no relationship from FFVII to the Kingdom Hearts stories. I consider them separate stories": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/nomurakh.gif Dissidia, on the other hand, features actual characters from various games in the Final Fantasy series, as established by such observations from the first Dissidia's Ultimania as this one on pg. 530 concerning Cloud's line from the game, "If I win, are my sins forgiven?": "Cloud continued to regret the deaths of his best friend and comrade, who were dear to him, in FFVII" (translation by hitoshura of TheLifestream.net). Furthermore, on pg. 658 of the same Ultimania, it says the following regarding the secret ending of the first Dissidia: "This event depicts Cosmos's status after the warriors have returned to each world." In other words, it's identifying the characters featured in the game as the authentic characters from their respective Final Fantasy titles, as it speaks of them returning to their respective worlds. It also bears observation that Tetsuya Nomura, character designer of FFVII and director of Advent Children/Advent Children Complete, served as both character designer and creative producer for Dissidia. Furthermore, Yoshinori Kitase, director of the original FFVII and the primary producer of the Compilation of FFVII, served as producer for Dissidia as well. This is where we begin to see the ease in establishing canon when multiple core developers are involved. One need not always depend on the input or involvement of a single individual for establishing canonicity, as in this case, where two of FFVII's four core developers -- the other two being scenario writer Kazushige Nojima and art director Yusuke Naora -- providing their involvement was sufficient. Both also provided input to the effect that Dissidia should be seen as a true installment of the Final Fantasy series. Nomura referred to it as such in an interview from the Dissidia Ultimania (pg. 697; "Although this game is a Final Fantasy installment it's not an RPG ..."), as did Kitase in an update to his 1UP.com blog on August 27, 2009: (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9002538&publicUserId=6049935) "Dissidia means 'conflict' or 'disagreement' in Latin. 'Gaiden' (side story or spin-off) made the game feel too distant, and we wanted to set the right tone for DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY; it isn't a numbered title, but has just as much spirit as a main story." The game's director, Takeshi Arakawa, also expressed this sentiment in an August 13, 2009 update to Kitase's blog: "As a rule we were extremely careful to treat DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY as a genuine entry in the FINAL FANTASY series" (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9001302&publicUserId=6049935). Next, Final Fantasy X and its sequel are part of the FFVII canon by virtue of ties drawn between them by Nojima, who wrote all three. During an interview with he and Kitase from the FFX Ultimania Omega (pg. 191), the two revealed that future Final Fantasy titles would establish a plot-related connection between FFVII and FFX. This came in the form of Shinra from Final Fantasy X-2, who had a small subplot in the game about pioneering the concept of drawing energy from within the planet to harness for various purposes, such as electricity. Nojima expounded on some of the specifics of how all of this developed from there in an interview in the FFX-2 Ultimania. For more on this subject, please refer to this document's article entitled "Is FFVII connected to FFX and X-2?" Final Fantasy Tactics is perhaps the least obvious title to be among those actually canon to the FFVII series. While this game features Cloud and a character who shares Aerith's name, occupation and appearance, the game wasn't developed by any of the core developers who have had a hand in the FFVII titles featuring them. Furthermore, the Unexplored Land and Treasure (Wonders of the Ancient World and Artefacts in the English translation of the War of the Lions version of Tactics) narratives filled out by the game's Proposition (Errands in War of the Lions) sidequest is rife with references to past FF titles, including the names of such people and places as Matoya (FFI), Pandaemonium (FFII), the Palamecian Empire (FFII), the Forbidden Land Eureka (FFIII), the Kingdom of Baron (FFIV), the Red Wings (FFIV), the Ronkan Ruins (FFV), the Phantom Train (FFVI) and Setzer Gabbiani (FFVI) -- often in descriptions accurate to their original portrayals. Given all that, it would be easy to take Cloud's cameo in the game as another simple reference with no actual basis in canon, despite Cloud's inclusion in the game being written in such a way that his presence fits neatly into FFVII's continuity. However, the section on pg. 560 of FFVII's Ultimania Omega detailing Cloud's appearance in Tactics treats his presence there as legitimate, pointing out the accurate recreation of his uniform for Tactics, lines from the script alluding to FFVII, and even going as far as to speak of Cloud being pulled from FFVII's world into Tactics's: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/fftcloud.jpg ---- Cloud is a playable unit?! If certain requirements have been fulfilled, Cloud can be summoned from the world of FFVII via the power of a 'transporter device.' He will say mysterious things upon his arrival and then leave, but later needs backup in rescuing a flower vendor (consult the right-hand chronicle) ; he can then be acquired as a comrade. Cloud has the job class SOLDIER, which is exclusive to him and uses the unique ability set Limit. Limit can be used at no cost, and so having Cloud use it can probably be done easily and enjoyably in many battles. [Beside the screenshots of Cloud's sprite from FFT] Cloud is a gallant figure in FFT. His uniform from FFVII is faithfully reproduced. [Beneath the screenshot of Cloud saying "There's no getting off this train until we reach the station"[*1]] Notice this well-known line from FFVII. In addition, "I couldn't care less what your names are,"[*2] "What is this...this feeling in my fingertips?,"[*3] "No, stop...Sephiroth--no!,"[*4] "I feel the flow of the Lifestream,"[*5] etc., are various other lines that can be seen at times. [*1: From the English translation of FFT: War of the Lions. This line was rendered as "There ain't no gettin' offa this train we're on" in the English translation of the original version of Tactics on the PlayStation and "There ain't no gettin' offa this train we're on, till we get to the end of the line" in the English translation of the original FFVII. *2: From the English translation of FFT: War of the Lions. This line was rendered as "I don't care about names" in the English translation of the original version of Tactics on the PlayStation and "I don't care what your names are" in the English translation of the original FFVII. *3: From the English translation of FFT: War of the Lions. This line was rendered as "My fingers are tingling" in the English translations of both the original version of Tactics and the original FFVII on the PlayStation. *4: From the English translation of FFT: War of the Lions. This line was rendered as "Stop...stop it... phiros..." in the English translation of the original version of Tactics on the PlayStation. *5: From the English translations of both FFT: War of the Lions and the original version of Tactics on the PlayStation.] [Beside the screenshot of Cloud's unique ability list] SOLDIER can utilize many abilities with Limit. The name of the weapon needed in order to use these techniques is the Materia Blade, like it were something from FFVII. ---- Put simply, the book treats Cloud's presence in Tactics as canon. As mentioned above, Cloud's inclusion in the game was also written in a way that it would fit cleanly into FFVII's continuity. Let's look at how this is the case. Immediately after arriving in the world of Ivalice via a machine described as capable of facilitating "transportation across dimensions - across the very fabric of time and space," Cloud comments that his last memory is of being "swallowed by a current - a great stream." This is most likely the time Cloud was enveloped by the Lifestream when Sephiroth cast Meteor in FFVII, after which his location went unknown for quite some time. The mental instability Cloud suffers during his appearances in Tactics would also seem to suggest this. He suffers headaches and uncertainties about his identity just as he did during that period in FFVII, and on one occasion begs Sephiroth -- who isn't even around in Tactics -- to stop doing something causing him pain. Due to this and the page from the FFVII Ultimania Omega quoted above, Cloud's appearance in Final Fantasy Tactics is undoubtedly canon. Though true that FFVII's core developers had no hand in the making of Tactics, the game *was* developed and published by Square, which holds ownership of Cloud and the FFVII series as a whole. The same criteria was enough for Dissidia Final Fantasy, after all, which featured several characters who had not appeared in games worked on by Dissidia's core development team, and yet the game is nonetheless considered canon for all characters involved. In fact, Dissidia's story is of great significance to the backstory of characters from the first Final Fantasy, and to that game's world setting. And though it is also true that Tactics is never mentioned among the titles in the Compilation of FFVII, given Cloud's small role in Tactics, and given the game's status as part of a different Compilation-like series -- the Ivalice Alliance, as SE has dubbed it -- it can't really be expected that it would be. What we've looked at here is fully sufficient enough to qualify Cloud's appearance in the game as canon. Finally, we need to examine the writings of Benny Matsuyama, which include the diary-like entries by several characters in 1997's FFVII Kaitai Shinsho The Complete guide book, as well as Maiden Who Travels the Planet, a novella starring Aerith included in FFVII's Ultimania Omega and based after the events of Disc 1 of FFVII. As an employee of Studio BentStuff, which does the compiling and editing of the information for the Ultimania guide books that Square Enix publishes, Matsuyama is himself not an employee of SE, nor has he had involvement in the development of any Final Fantasy games. He has written many short stories and diary-like entries for other Final Fantasy games, however, including FFVIII, FFX, FFX-2 and FFXII. As such, he does have an extensive history working with SE's characters and getting his work involving them published by Square Enix itself. Is this enough to make his work canon, though? With FFVIII, X, X-2 and XII -- arguably, yes. These works are not part of so extensive a series as FFVII, and even while XII is part of its own Compilation-like structure, Matsuyama's work involving that game has not run into the issues that face his contributions to FFVII, likely due to most of the various titles in the Ivalice Alliance taking place in drastically different eras. Due to the proliferation of FFVII-related stories, numerous reference books have been published addressing the overall continuity, none of which have ever so much as mentioned Maiden Who Travels the Planet or the entries in the Kaitai Shinsho -- less even than can be said for Cloud's appearance in Final Fantasy Tactics. The FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania's "Final Fantasy VII History" section (pp. 16-20 of the Revised Edition; 16-19 of the original) -- a timeline addressing the production of numerous FFVII media from 1995 to the time of the book's publication -- does not mention Matsuyama's writings, nor does the same guide's "Final Fantasy VII series" section (pp. 21-27 of the Revised Edition; 20-25 of the original), which, as mentioned above, even included the now-decanonized Last Order and Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode. Even the list from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide book that decanonized those two titles doesn't speak of Maiden or the Kaitai Shinsho's diary entries as part of the Compilation. Basically, since their publication, the existence of Maiden Who Travels the Planet and the Kaitai Shinsho diaries have been completely ignored -- even on a list that took the time to write other titles out of continuity -- by Square Enix. Not so much as a single Ultimania profile has referenced them. In fact, a monologue by Aerith found on pg. 159 of the Kaitai Shinsho has her speak of meeting Zack while selling flowers. While that would be able to get a pass in continuity with the original game, it contradicts what's shown in Crisis Core, in which Aerith meets Zack under completely different circumstances. She doesn't even begin selling flowers in Crisis Core until after she meets Zack and he gives her the suggestion to do so! That being said, for its part, Maiden Who Travels the Planet has no actual contradictions with established canon -- neither with the original game alone nor the wider official continuity of the Compilation of FFVII. This is, ironically enough, something that cannot even be said of several titles that actually are included in canon for the series (for more on that, see this document's "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII inconsistencies" article). Despite this, fans have often leveled claims against Maiden that it is riddled with a number of contradictions with the original game and the Compilation. We'll look at those now and clear up these misunderstandings. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does Maiden Who Travels the Planet at least fit into continuity even if it isn't canon? [7.5Wh] Here, I'll present the comprehensive list of points that have been brought up as contradictions in Maiden, and address whether they are actually definite contradictions with the original game or the wider Compilation. 1) Maiden says that "the entire planet's consciousness was awakened" when the Lifestream moved against Meteor, while Aerith's 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile (pg. 52 of the Revised Edition; pg. 50 in the original) says she used a portion of the Lifestream to stop it -Not a contradiction with the original game or the wider Compilation. These two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Having the entire Lifestream available doesn't equate to using all of it, nor is that a reasonable reading of the material -- especially when all visual depictions of Meteor being taken down have shown Lifestream tendrils still pooling off the horizon, indicating that much of the Lifestream was nowhere near Meteor. 2) In Maiden, Hojo's spirit goes into the Lifestream, where Aerith meets him again, but Dirge of Cerberus revealed that his spirit was in the worldwide network -Not a contradiction with the original game or the wider Compilation. Hojo's actual spirit went into the Lifestream. The entity encountered in DC is Hojo's fragments -- a digital copy of his mind. We know this for several reasons. First, Lucrecia referred to her own fragments as a "memory copy": "Jenova's cells... Vincent... Stored as data... Must leave... Thought... I loved... Record.. Memory copy... For him... It was wrong... Wait... Disperse... ...so sorry... Apply... ...but I... For... Fragment... Survive... Hope... who...?" This is true of both the Japanese and English scripts of the game. The original Japanese text: ---- ジェノバの特性…… ヴィンセントの データとしての 残さなきゃ…… 思考 愛してしまう…… 記録 記憶のコピー あの人のために…… ダメなのに…… あれ……？ 断片化 ごめんね…… 応用 でも…… 誰の…… フラグメント 生きて…… 希望 ---- These fragments act through Shelke and even interact with Vincent at times during DC, even while the original Lucrecia is still alive, residing within a crystal behind that waterfall near Nibelheim. Second, while in the official English version of DC, Hojo's copy says, "Three years ago, while I was still running about looking for Sephiroth, I took it upon myself to distribute my data-- my mind, my knowledge, my inner being, across the worldwide network," the Japanese text from that scene says something different: "Into the worldwide network, I scattered my fragments ...... my mind ....... data of my thoughts and knowledge." Japanese text: ---- 私は３年前、セフィロスを追いながら、世界中のネットワークに自らの断片……そう私の 頭脳……知識と思考のデータ、それをバラまいた。 ---- Here, the copy specifically refers to itself as fragments -- which we know, thanks to Lucrecia, to be data that is a copy of someone's mind. Hojo's copy further explains that fragments -- and, therefore, itself -- are "data of my thoughts and knowledge." As explained in DC, these fragments were left behind as a failsafe in the event that something untoward should happen to Hojo after injecting himself with Jenova's cells during the original game: Hojo: "I attempted to perfect my body for Omega by injecting myself with Jenova's cells. However, that didn't go as I had planned." Hojo: "I failed to consider the fact that the cells might try to take over my mind and eat away at my soul." Hojo: "And so, as a safety measure, I came up with a brilliant plan to transmit my neurodata across the worldwide network." He then distributed the recorded fragments into the worldwide network with his final breath after being defeated by Cloud and co. atop the Sister Ray during the original game. This is depicted in DC's opening, where Yuffie detects life signs still at the top of the cannon during an evacuation of the area on the night Hojo was killed. Vincent scales the giant weapon to find Hojo now laying motionless in front of the cannon's computer terminal, of which one of the screens says "start fragment program." In other words, the copy fought in DC was created before Hojo even battled AVALANCHE (there sure wasn't any lab equipment on top of the Sister Ray for scanning and recording one's mind), and distributed into the worldwide network shortly after the battle, and immediately before he died. The copy is simply that -- a copy. Not the original Hojo. Granted, there is a moment where a ghost-like apparition of Hojo arises from Weiss's body after Vincent defeats him in battle prior to Omega's awakening, but by that point, Hojo's fragments had come to inhabit that living body. Given FFVII's cosmology -- in which the memories of the dead are recycled into new spirit energy to give life to new living things -- what could the thoughts and memories that inhabit and act through a living body be called but a spirit, even if they began as computerized data? In the interest of a full analysis, it does bear acknowledging that the opening of DC was originally intended to take place on the night that Meteor descended on Midgar and was countered by Holy, as detailed in such places as Vincent and Yuffie's profiles from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 69 and 72 of the Revised Edition; pp. 67 and 70 of the original). That version of events was, indeed, a contradiction between Maiden and the Compilation, as Maiden spoke of Aerith encountering Hojo in the Lifestream prior to AVALANCHE fighting Sephiroth. However, that continuity error has been retconned by Case of Shin-Ra. The opening of DC now takes place where it belonged all along -- the night that Hojo was fought atop the Sister Ray cannon. 3) Maiden gives the impression that all other Cetra had already been diluted into the Lifestream, while On the Way to a Smile: Case of the Lifestream White features Aerith enlisting other Cetra consciousnesses to aid her in her mission to counter Sephiroth's malevolent will -Not a contradiction with the original game or the Wider Compilation. Yes, Maiden gives the impression that all other Cetra consciousnesses had already been diluted, as that of her mother -- the last Cetra known to have lived prior to Aerith -- was said to have already diffused: "My mother died and she was also a Cetra... It's been fifteen years. In that time, maybe I'll disappear and become one with the planet too" (translation by Xcomp/LH Yeung). However, the Cetra consciousnesses that Aerith encounters in OtWtaS: CotL White were already diluted as well, into what the story calls "fragments of consciousness": (Translation by Xcomp/LH Yeung) "Having lost the core of their emotions, the surface animosity disappeared. The woman had found a solution, however more and more spirits steeped in spite appeared, and it was too much for her to bear. She rushed through the Lifestream in search of other souls to help her. Ancients, on the verge of diffusing. These fragments of consciousness accepted her undertaking." This is consistent across the two stories. For that matter, though, if existing in the same continuity as Maiden, CotL White would take place some two years later. Given how little she initially understood about being in the Lifestream during Maiden before she began doing things like waking Zack up (something she apparently did in canon anyway given his presence in Advent Children), it's not hard to imagine that she could have learned more about how her Cetra abilities could influence the Lifestream, and then sought out what "fragments of consciousness" there were of past Cetra to awaken them as well. 4) In Maiden, Aerith witnesses Tifa reconstructing Cloud's shattered personality within the Lifestream. On pg. 33 of the Crisis Core Ultimania, it's said that Tifa becomes the only witness to his blurry memory during the original game, and that she also plays an important role in him regaining his true self -Not a contradiction with the original game or the wider Compilation. Tifa *is* the only witness to Cloud's blurry memory during the original game -- but this line wasn't in reference to the Lifestream sequence in which she helps him reassemble his mind. Notice that the passage says she becomes the only witness to his questionable recollection, and that she *also* plays an important role in him regaining his proper memories -- this second event being what happens when the two fall into the Lifestream together. She's the only witness to his blurry memory because she's the only one who recognized that his memories were off throughout the first disc of the game. For that matter, even if the line from the CC Ultimania had been in reference to what goes down in the Lifestream, Tifa would still be the only living witness -- but that wouldn't preclude non-living witnesses. They were in the Lifestream, after all, which is composed of consciousnesses -- and at that point, Aerith's was one of them. 5) Maiden says that Sephiroth's consciousness smiled and then vanished in a fit of laughter when Cloud defeated him at the end of the original game. The image of Sephiroth that Cloud defeated was not shown smiling and did not appear to be laughing as it discorporated in the game itself -Not a contradiction with the original game or the wider Compilation. The moment before the ending FMV began, in which the camera lingered on Sephiroth and during which he appeared to struggle to remain standing, could be taken as this moment. The writing of that scene in Maiden does lend the impression that Sephiroth smiled almost defiantly while trying to resist his demise, only to succumb: (Translation by LH Yeung/Xcomp) "The mad apostate angel smiled boldly. But the damage he had taken was far beyond what he could endure and his spiritual body started to fall apart as he laughed. Beams of light blasted out from inside his body as if they were cutting him apart." Though a smile is not obvious there, given the limited graphics of the game and the fact that the expressions on the characters' battle animations never changes, it can't be reasonably ruled out either. There's also the fact that the screen faded to black shortly after Cloud dealt the finishing blow with Omnislash. There could have easily been a smile and laughter from Sephiroth then before he was shown looking up at Cloud in shock. As for his laughter alone, even if it didn't come before he began exploding into beams of light, this was a mental rather than physical battle to begin with. Cloud was able to hear Sephiroth's laughter in his mind prior to the battle, and it's certainly easy enough to believe -- keeping in mind that we're discussing a game that lacked voice acting -- that Sephiroth could have let out another peal of laughter as he dissipated; one which would have went unheard by players. The image of him onscreen need not have been laughing for his consciousness to have still been laughing. It's certainly not as though he had a physical body to demonstrate laughter with when Cloud could hear him laughing inside his head. While the presence of a smile and laughter is not directly corroborated by the scene in the original game, it's not directly contradicted within that presentation either. 6) Maiden says that Aerith was attracted to Zack by his carefree smile when she was 17. She was 15 when she met him in Crisis Core -Not a contradiction with the original game or necessarily even Crisis Core. Maiden doesn't outright say that Aerith met Zack when she was 17 -- merely that his smile had attracted her to him then. Seeing as how that was her age when she last saw him, that's not necessarily a contradiction, as it may be commenting on her attraction during that period. 7) Toward the end of Maiden, Zack claims to Aerith that Omnislash was his technique. This is never corroborated by Crisis Core nor any other Compilation materials that feature Zack. Not even any Ultimania guides say such a thing -Definitely not a contradiction with the original game, and not necessarily one with Crisis Core either. Zack is playful and flirtatious. He may have been being exactly that in this scene. 8) Aerith was unaware that Zack was dead during Maiden until his spirit appeared. She should have been able to sense his death long before, as demonstrated in Crisis Core. Even the original game would leave us to think so, given that she was able to sense the spirit of Elmyra's husband, a complete stranger to her -Not a contradiction with the original game or Crisis Core. All CC showed is that Aerith sensed something that distressed her, but not that she knew what she sensed. As for the original game, she may have only sensed the spirit of Elmyra's husband because it had come close enough to try to see Elmyra. Aerith, after all, did tell her adoptive mother that he was trying to get to her: "Someone dear to you has just died. His spirit was coming to see you, but he already returned to the planet." In whatever case, the official position on this matter is that Aerith was unaware of Zack's death anyway, as stated on pg. 197 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character guide: ---- "Although Zack is already dead at the beginning of the story, Aerith is unaware of this fact." ---- Japanese text: ---- 物語の開始時点においてザックスはすでに故人なのだがエアリスはその事実を知らない。 ---- Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/doesntknow.jpg 9) During the time of the original FFVII, Aerith had come to terms with the knowledge that Cloud and Zack were two different people. However, in Maiden, when she tries to remember the details of who Cloud is, her thoughts just end up awakening Zack's spirit, as though she still thinks of them as the same -Not a contradiction. Maiden even says early on that Aerith had already figured out that Cloud and Zack were different: (Translation by LH Yeung/Xcomp) "At first, she thought he somehow had some similarities to her first love. Even so, his looks, voice and personality weren't similar and he also made her think of him as a mysterious person... But it soon didn't matter." For that matter, when she accidentally awoke Zack, she was basically wringing her hair out trying to recall unique details about Cloud that would allow her to help him recover himself -- so she naturally went over everything she remembered him doing, including the things that reminded her of Zack: (Translation by LH Yeung/Xcomp) "'I felt something odd about him but, was everything really just made up and part of his false character? Cloud wasn't real at all? ...No, that can't be true. There were things that only Cloud could think of. Things that he done because he was Cloud. He was never an empty vessel to begin with!' But she couldn't figure out the truth. Her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith delved into her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud's individuality. The way he walked. She remembered all his actions one by one... Most of those thoughts merged into the Sea of Mako and awakened a character. The character recognized the image she recalled and 'he' woke up." She also calls attention to the differences between the two again after Tifa helps repair Cloud's fragmented psyche, telling Zack that he isn't "simplistic and awkward" like Cloud. 10) In Maiden it's said that Zack's smile attracted Aerith to him. In Crisis Core, it's established that her eyes attracted her to him -Not a contradiction with the original by any means, and not really one with Crisis Core either. Maiden doesn't say that Zack's smile was the first thing that attracted Aerith to Zack, as it was in CC, nor is it likely to have been the only thing anyway. In other words: you can be attracted to more than one thing about someone. 11) In Maiden, it's said that Zack's blue eyes were the proof that he was in SOLDIER, but Weiss from Deepground has yellow eyes while Nero and Rosso have red eyes -Not a contradiction with the Compilation. For accuracy's sake, Weiss actually has blue eyes with yellow rings around the pupils, much like Cloud's blue eyes with green rings around the pupils -- and Cloud definitely has been showered with mako. What the line on pg. 587 of the FFVII Ultimania Omega says is that "Zack was materializing before her, bearing bluish eyes that were the proof of being SOLDIER" (ソルジャーの証である青みがかった瞳を持つ、ザックスがそこに 現れていた)。His eyes are simply bluish, possibly with a green ring like Cloud’s. While typically meaning “blue,” Japanese people often also use “aoi” (青) to describe things that are green (e.g. green traffic lights) rather than using “midori” (緑). Source scan: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/midori.jpg In any case, while Rosso and Nero do have red eyes rather than blue or even green, they were also subjected to unique experiments unlike any other SOLDIER. That these experiments may have influenced their eye color is not out of the question, particularly in Nero's case, being exposed as a fetus to stagnant mako rather than the pure substance. For that matter, Aerith would not have known of Deepground and the Tsviets. It may well be that the color and glow of Zack's eyes would be proof enough to her or the average person. 12) Aerith's overall attitude toward Zack in Maiden is less affectionate than one would expect it to be given their interactions in Crisis Core -Not a definite contradiction with either the original game or Crisis Core. While I personally would expect more out of a reunion between them given their history from Crisis Core, that's a subjective position. At most it could be called an awkward interaction, but she's clearly still fond of him. At any rate, definitely not a contradiction with the original game. As can be seen from all of this, Maiden Who Travels the Planet -- though possibly not canon -- does actually fit into continuity just fine. It's my belief that Maiden sees all the debate concerning canonicity that it does due in part to FFVII's infamous Love Triangle Debate (see the "Who does Cloud love?" article in this FAQ for more about that) and misconceptions on the part of fans who believe that Maiden has potential implications for the LTD. In actuality, Maiden tells us nothing of Cloud's romantic leanings, which is all that really matters in debating the LTD given that we already know both Tifa and Aerith wanted him. So, while you might have one person who prefers Aerith and Cloud as a couple insist that Maiden is canon and that it saying Aerith loves Cloud much more than her first love, Zack, is a big deal, it's really not. Likewise, while you might have someone who prefers Tifa and Cloud as a couple insist that if Maiden were canon, then Aerith awakening Zack's spirit instead while trying to think about features of Cloud is a big deal, it's also really not. Again, neither of these scenes tell us anything about what Cloud wants. The most we hear about his feelings where the two women are concerned is the devestation he felt over Aerith being murdered right in front of him -- and it's not exactly breaking news that Cloud cared about Aerith or that her death hurt him deeply. Really, it tells us about as much about what's going on in his head where romance is concerned as his refusal to leave Cid behind on the Shin-Ra No. 26 rocket does. Which is to say, not much. In summary: Maiden Who Travels the Planet probably isn't canon but deserves to be more than Before Crisis, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus; and, also, caring about someone isn't equivalent to wanting to marry them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------Compilation of Final Fantasy VII inconsistencies[8.0Co] A look at the various inconsistencies between the new Compilation of FFVII titles and the original game, as well as inconsistencies that appear *among* the new titles. It's also discussed here why Before Crisis, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, On the Way to a Smile: Case of Yuffie and On the Way to a Smile: Case of Nanaki are not counted among canon for me. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction [8.1Co] Just to warn you in advance, dear readers, this is not the fun part of this section. That's down below, entitled "The lists." Its ctrl+f navigation code is [7.2Co]. This part is where I get on my soapbox, rant, preach and wag my finger. All, might I add, with very little consideration given to editorial concerns like length, redundancy and beating a dead horse. This is the Internet, after all. Space is pretty much unlimited. So, if that sounds painful to you, I advise moving on down to the fun part of this section. If you're the masochistic type, however, and eye bleeds are your cup of tea, keep reading. I have little doubt that this new section of the FAQ will easily be the most controversial. More so than the article about FFVII being connected to FFX/X-2 ever was. Maybe even more than the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article. The irony of that is it will likely incur the disfavor of those arguing the very points I once did. Heck, many who I've seen reference canon as the final word in debates since I stopped participating have done so while referring to arguments I made. That kind of sucks. Seriously, I didn't know what I was doing back when I was such a huge part of the Final Fantasy fan community. I was terribly unqualified to argue any of this stuff. Today, I'm ashamed of many of the arguments I put forth. A significant number of fans were influenced by me to some degree, and to those who I've encouraged to believe the buck stops at the author, I'm sorry. Canon *is* the official word, but so what? That's all that it is: the official continuity. Yet "official" doesn't ensure "quality. Doesn't denote "coherent." Doesn't even necessarily connote "good" these days. Don't make excuses for sloppy work and laziness. If a sequel, prequel, midquel, interquel, etc. is full of plotholes and contradictions, you don't have to sit there and try to explain them away in some attempt at arguing that it's still good, that it all makes sense somehow, and that we should all look for a way to include it in the overall narrative because it's got the official stamp on it. Really, that sort of thing is the author's job. Yes, as I argued in my September 9, 2009 update comments, a work like Final Fantasy VII is a collaborative effort. One between writers, artists, programmers, etc. and the players as well. But that doesn't mean it's supposed to be the audience's job to ensure that events that happened in a previous title are still part of the fictional reality in the newest title. An author choosing to neglect that sort of thing is neither making a creative statement nor casting away restrictive boundaries that are only the domain of geeks living in their mom's basements. It's just bad writing. I've seen a few individuals who are currently heavily involved in the FFVII fan community make the argument that a lot of people want to cherry pick what they count as canon rather than accepting the Compilation as a whole. This is true, but, really, if they want a coherent narrative, what choice do they have? Even Square Enix does it. Heck, they cherry pick more than anybody. As an example, the original Final Fantasy VII shows irrefutably that Red XIII believed himself to be the last of his race. Before Crisis, however, features a female of his kind named Dinne -- whom he knew prior to his capture by Shin-Ra, and whose whereabouts he knew. When he gets to Cosmo Canyon during the original game, however, he doesn't ask about her -- even though that's where she is! Toward the game's end, he and Bugenhagen speak of Red XIII finding a mate as though it's a hypothetical situation in which there may be a female of his kind out there somewhere in the world for him to find. Yet both knew of Dinne. Who's right there. In Cosmo Canyon. Where they are. Double-you tee eff much? Was there any kind of failure on players' parts for speculating for years where Red XIII might have found the mate that fathered his children from the post-ending epilogue? Obviously we knew he found her somewhere since we saw that he'd reproduced, but can SE come along years later with Dinne and expect us to contrive excuses for them that allow absuridities like Red agonizing over being the last of his kind? His once understandable and sympathetic anguish from the original becomes absurdly pathetic whining. How about Last Order? It was the first of three retcons to the massacre in Nibelheim, and the beginning of the massacre in the village of Continuity. Shin-Ra did a real bad job of covering that one up. Anyway, I made excuses for it at first, as did many other fans. Most said the original game's presentation of that incident was unreliable due to Cloud's fragmented memories. At least they used their imaginations to explain it away. I just accepted -- and encouraged others to do the same -- that FFVII was SE's baby and they could do whatever the hell they wanted to with it. I was an idiot. Before Crisis comes along not long after that and further retcons the scene. Though LO put a Turk on the scene who showed up at the conclusion to Cloud and Seph's battle, there's now a Turk involved fully in the events in the reactor. They even fight Sephiroth, get blasted into a giant crater in the floor of the reactor's pod room, and are present in the room when Seph falls into the mako. Also, the appearance of Jenova's room, retconned by LO, is now retconned back to its original appearance. Then Crisis Core, of course, comes along a couple of years later and retcons both LO and BC. No Turk now, plus a lot of other changes. It was that third retcon which finally made me throw up my hands and stop making excuses for SE's lack of concern for quality in their products. Imaginative and still loyal fans apparently then began a practice that continues to this day: explaining away BC and LO as simply having occurred from Tseng and the Turks' perspective. After all, they say, Tseng was reading a report on the Nibelheim massacre and reflecting on it during LO. Well, the problem with this is that the text from the report is legible to the viewer and clearly states what SE had intended to be the case at one point in time: that the Turks believed Cloud killed Sephiroth before passing out from his own wounds. Right there on Cloud's profile in the Nibelheim report are these words: "By the report ... it is considered that Cloud killed Sephiroth even though he suffered ... ." Here's a screenshot even: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/cloudkilledseph.jpg This being their conclusion makes sense at least with what is shown in LO itself. The Turk on the scene obviously didn't witness the full incident. They must have merely heard Sephiroth and Cloud talking/fighting, then saw that Sephiroth was nowhere in sight, saw Cloud looking over the edge, and then drew the conclusion -- which Tseng accepted -- that Cloud knocked him down there and killed him. Even in what may be considered Tseng's memory in LO, where he remembers Hojo having Cloud and Zack taken to the Shinra Mansion to be used as experiments, we find Hojo commenting that Cloud is the one who killed Sephiroth. All of this doesn't even manage to be consistent with BC, where the Turk on the scene is fully involved in things. As for LO just being Tseng's ideas about what happened, as if the various pieces of dialogue Tseng couldn't possibly have been aware of in LO weren't enough to indicate that the flashbacks weren't simply his own understanding of what went down, the information in Cloud's profile clenched it. Hojo's comment further solidifies it. But that didn't stop SE from trying to use it as an out years later. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania came along at the time of Crisis Core's release and SE themselves resorted to using this blatantly fallacious excuse for LO's events (pg. 80; pg. 82 of the Revised Edition). The book even acknowledged the discrepancies in Sephiroth being thrown into the Lifestream or jumping, yet made no attempt to explain them away. It merely said that the same results followed either way, suggesting it wasn't important how it actually happened. Well, if you want a cohesive universe where A is A, it is kind of important, SE. It's actually really important. For the record, I recognize that some may be confused for my inclusion of Advent Children Complete into my continuity while I exclude Crisis Core. Despite ACC featuring a couple of FMVs from Crisis Core, I really see no reason why the scenes in question can't mesh with the way things went down in the original game. Someone familiar with the original game but unfamiliar with Crisis Core could watch ACC without any confusion or continuity errors arising in their mind. Yes, Cloud and Zack weren't shown having a conversation before Zack died, but it's easy enough to swallow that it could have happened. What was shown in the original game could easily be an abridged version of his death, especially given that it was Cloud experiencing a memory. In his earlier memory to how things actually happened in Nibelheim, I doubt anyone thought that Zack ran into Jenova's room and was knocked straight out of there without saying anything to Sephiroth first. That was simply a case of time being condensed so that the player wouldn't have to sit there for possibly a minute before something else happened. Certainly every new title in the Compilation that has gone back to that showdown has done so with the assumption that there was some exchange between the two, so it's not an unprecedented notion by anyone's reckoning. I realize this is cherry picking, but, again, I don't see the problem with that. If it's problematic, I expect SE to stop doing it first. In the event that anyone is also confused about my inclusion of On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa, I can explain that as well. The only concern I can see being raised is that this story features Cloud telling Elmyra of Aerith's death following Sephiroth's defeat at the end of the original game, even though she'd already been told about it well before that point. That's a case of a mistake in translation in the official English version of CoT included with North America's Limited Edition release of Advent Children. The word translated as "told" here was "hanashimatta" in Japanese. It simply means "talked." So what was actually said here is that Cloud talked to Elmyra about Aerith's death, not that he informed her of it. And that actually makes the most sense given that, otherwise, Elmyra seemed pretty quick to accept the whole thing and wouldn't have been portrayed as having a particularly sorrowful reaction. I can also see someone being confused as to why I would accept Maiden Who Travels the Planet given the numerous debates amongst fans concerning that story and whether it contradicts the original game or wider Compilation. Really, though, Maiden is one of the few new works about FFVII that actually fits cohesively with everything else. Search for the "What is the FFVII canon?" article within this document for more about that. In the event that there's any suspicions to the contrary, I want to dispel them now: While I'm cherry picking based on what works as a single, consistent narrative, I'm not cherry picking based on what titles I like or would prefer to see as the official continuity. As far as it goes, I *like* Dirge of Cerberus. I enjoyed it a whole hell of a lot. I think parts of it are terribly written and more than a few are nonsensical, but I like that game. I liked the new characters, adored the characterization of old ones, and appreciated the overall story as well. I also loved the levels, the voice acting, the music, and pretty much the whole of the presentation. That cutscene of the battle between Deepground and the WRO outside Midgar is one of the coolest battle sequences in any Final Fantasy, and the game's ending is beautifully executed on every level. Vincent seemingly sacrificing himself followed by that amazing credits sequence was fantastic. I'll also admit upfront that Shelke's among my top favorite Final Fantasy characters. She is simply made of win. Even the gameplay was pretty awesome, with the exception of the right button on the d-pad activating items instead of scrolling right. Bad, SE! Counterintuitive controls are no beuno! Heck, I actually finished all of the game's extra missions. Yes, all of them. Even "Cait Versus the World" and "Missilebreaker Deathmatch." So you know there had to be some measure of passion there. Actually, I enjoyed most of the extra missions. "Rains of Gehenna," "Stygian Sewers," "Vincent the Beast," "Gatling Shower," "One-Handed," "Unlimited DG," "Two-Handed," "Deepground" and "Stronghold Impervious" are all great stuff. I even played around with the missions enough that I discovered you can actually kill enemies with magic in the "Messenger from Hell" mission if you blast them enough. "Deep Labyrinth," by the way, is *so much easier* with the Manasoul. For that matter, I honestly like several elements of Crisis Core. Genesis is an awesome character, and CC has what I consider the best final battle and ending sequence of any of the new games in the Compilation. Again, establishing a personal canon isn't at all about picking what I like or what I think should be in the official continuity. Were I cherry picking in that way, I'd be finding some way for Dirge of Cerberus to fit. As I said in my update comments, SE can have their official continuity. I want one that doesn't contradict its own existence at every turn. If anyone feels I'm looking at this thing the wrong way and can set me straight on the matter, I'm more than open to hearing you out. Also, yeah, I realize that the important thing to ask at the end of playing one of these games is whether I enjoyed it. Haven't lost sight of that. What I also realize, though, is that it's difficult *to* enjoy them at times when I have so many continuity voids trying to suck me in. I also feel conscientiously opposed to excusing lapses in artistic integrity, which -- let's face it -- much of the Compilation has been. With that, I turn things over to the fun part of this article. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The lists [8.2Co] --Abbreviation guide-- FFVII = Final Fantasy VII ACC = Advent Children Complete AC = Advent Children BC = Before Crisis CC = Crisis Core DC = Dirge of Cerberus LO = Last Order OtWtaS: CoD = On the Way to a Smile: Case of Denzel OtWtaS: CoT = On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa OtWtaS: CoB = On the Way to a Smile: Case of Barret OtWtaS: CoY = On the Way to a Smile: Case of Yuffie OtWtaS: CoN = On the Way to a Smile: Case of Nanaki OtWtaS: CoS = On the Way to a Smile: Case of Shin-Ra * = used in more than one list [Note: Despite the Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character stating that Last Order is "a work outside" the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII (pg. 226; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Squall_of_Seed/LOnotcanon .jpg), given its coverage on even that very page -- as well as the extensive coverage it has been given in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania and its Revised Edition, the latter released after the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania series -- I'm including it here because it is treated like part of the Compilation.] Plotholes and contradictions between the original and the new titles in the Compilation -------------------------------------- (In multiple titles) -Four different versions of the Nibelheim reactor fight (one each in FFVII, BC, CC and LO)* -Cloud and Tifa talk in the Mt. Nibel mako reactor in LO, while no such conversation happens in the original or in CC (the dialogue heard there in LO is the same as that from Cloud and Tifa in the present day in the original while watching Cloud's memory of the event)* -The original game referred to the Jenova Project as Professor Gast's project, with Hojo even implying that Gast was still there when Lucrecia was injected with Jenova cells. The Ultimania Omega for the original game also says this outright (pg. 210). However, CC, the developer Q&A in its Ultimania, and DC all leave the impression that Gast resigned from his position well before that point, with Hojo in charge of all the research and experimentation that led to Sephiroth's birth -The Turks' uniforms were all blue in the original game, but now they've been changed to black in almost all pre-original appearances. The black wasn't that weird in AC since it came after, and also wasn't a plothole as a result. Its presence in CC, BC and LO, however, is* -Cait Sith is variously depicted as a remote-controlled robot (original game), a remote-controlled robot with some AI functionality (BC), and a living creature (DC). As well, pg. 88 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 90 of the Revised Edition) mentions that Reeve used an ability all his own called "Inspire" to bring Cait Sith to life. See the "Cait Sith Versus the World (of Reason)" article earlier in this FAQ for more on that* -Zack's uniform is purple in BC and the original game (he was already 1st Class by then and had the Buster Sword); it was changed to black in LO and CC, along with all 1st Class uniforms, while Zack's purple outfit was a 2nd Class uniform unique to his use* -Tseng, Reno and Rude now have a rather extensive past with Cloud, courtesy of LO, CC and BC, yet none of them mention it in the original game. This, despite their sense of guilt over turning him over for experimentation in BC and then pursuing him after he and Zack escaped (BC) -In the original, Barret said he was on his way back from a trip out of town visiting a mako reactor when Corel was attacked by Shinra. In BC, he's working in the mines just outside town the morning before the attack begins, inspecting trucks so as to get things ready to dig for coal with his neighbors. He even helps guide a Turk through the mountain to the reactor that day, in an attempt to stop the original AVALANCHE from blowing it up. He was definitely not presented as being on his way back from a trip out of town in BC -In the original, Barret believed the destruction of the Corel mako reactor to be due to an accident. In BC, he knows that it was terrorism. In addition, it seems a little unlikely that he would name his terrorist unit after the one whose activities got his hometown destroyed. This is laughably explained in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 55; pg. 57 of the Revised Edition) as being because he didn't know the name of the group -- even though he names his own after them because he was impressed by the trouble their radical activities had caused for Shin-Ra -Red XIII thinks he's the last of his kind in FFVII, and says as much upon his return to Cosmo Canyon. He cites the death of his mother as leaving him as the last, while in BC he had full knowledge that there was another of his kind, Dinne (a female), still there when he was taken by the Turks. What's more, the Turks had allowed her to go unhindered into a shrine where she was to stay for three years, and we're given no indication that Nanaki believed another of his kind had been kidnapped by Shin-Ra at a later date. For that matter, Hojo certainly wasn't trying to breed Red XIII with Dinne in the Shin-Ra building. If, for some reason, Red XIII did believe Dinne to have died, then his explanation for being the last should have included her as well, and not just his mother ... though that matter is moot, as he hadn't even had time to learn that she was dead if, in fact, she was. He had only spoken with the guy at the entrance to Cosmo Canyon before relating his tale of woe -In BC, when AVALANCHE takes over the Junon Cannon, they intend to use it to fire at Midgar -- which shouldn't be possible given that the cannon can't turn more than 90 degrees to the right, and also given that there are mountains between Midgar and Junon. -In BC's Special Episode of the Legendary Turk, during an incident which took place eight years before the events of FFVII, some hostage takers demand the release of political prisoners from Corel Prison -- a facility that didn't exist until three years before the events of FFVII, following the destruction of Barret's hometown, Corel -Elena wasn't promoted until after Reno was injured during the original game. If BC is to be taken as in-continuity, then they had already recently lost eight to 10 other Turks permanently, and on the same day no less. So it's not like Reno taking a leave of absence a few days later should have been such a massive change to the status quo as to warrant promoting a new Turk if the other event wasn't -The "lost" Turks were apparently busy fighting Jade Weapon for a while after their final battle in BC. The Weapon had been awakened when they defeated Zirconiade, and it then came after them because the summon had been an important part of Gaia's ecosystem. Despite this being enough to awaken Jade Weapon, the other Weapons inexplicably remained dormant until Sephiroth cast Meteor. They don't even react to Jade Weapon being destroyed, despite it awakening at Zirconiade's destruction (CC) -The Ultimania Omega for FFVII says that Aerith met Zack while selling flowers (pg. 31), while she hasn't started doing that yet when she meets him in CC. Granted, this is a discrepancy between CC and a guidebook published by Square Enix rather than a discrepancy between CC and the original game itself, but it still demonstrates a lack of attention to detail on someone's part -Though this is yet another guide discrepancy, this time it actually does contradict the original game, as well as the FFVII Ultimania Omega. In the Crisis Core Complete Guide, the "S-Cells" entry of the Keyword Collection (pg. 286) refers to Cloud as a failed Sephiroth copy -- despite the original game and the FFVII Ultimania Omega (pg. 213) making it clear that he was not -In line with the above, Crisis Core itself features a document in the middle of the lab where Zack and Cloud escape identifying Cloud as a failure -- this, despite the documents on the floor of the same lab in the original game making it clear that Cloud had the desired reaction to Jenova. In other words, these documents clearly contradict each other, where in one game they identify Cloud as a failure, and in the other are the final clue that he, in fact, was a success -Another guidebook discrepancy is that Zack's year of birth is listed as 1984 in the Crisis Core Ultimania (pg. 12), but is listed as 1985 in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 82; pg. 84 of the Revised Edition). This was likely just a typo in the latter -- as Zack is supposed to have been 23 at the time of his death in the year 0007 according to the same book's profile (pg. 85) -- but all of these inconsistencies begin to add up and discourage one's confidence in the application of quality assurance -Yet another guidebook inconsistency: The Crisis Core Complete Guide claims in its Keyword Collection that Aerith's father, Gast Faremis, deserted Shin-Ra after realizing that Jenova wasn't an Ancient -- and that Ifalna "escaped with him" to Icicle Inn. The Ultimania Omega for FFVII, however, states twice that Ifalna was a local at Icicle Inn, whom Gast met after moving there to conduct new research (pp. 59 and 210) -In the original, Cloud and Zack planned an escape from the Shinra Mansion at feeding time. In CC, Zack apparently broke the glass of his containment tube during a bad dream, and then used the opportunity to escape -In the original game, Zack dresses Cloud in a SOLDIER 1st Class uniform after they leave Nibelheim; here, they start to leave Nibelheim, then go back to the mansion before they reach the exit; back at the mansion, Zack redresses Cloud -In the original game, Zack's parents had no idea who his girlfriend might be. In Crisis Core, Cissnei tells them it was her -In the original game, Cloud is left to die by the soldiers who kill Zack. They assume he'll expire on his own. In CC, they don't see him at all because Zack had hidden him -Why was Hojo unable to confirm the existence of the Weapons until visiting the Northern Crater when there's one in the cave in Banora, a place where Shin-Ra had been mining? (DC) -How does Cait Sith speak in DC without Reeve speaking at the same time? In the original, it didn't seem to work that way -Also in the original, during some optional dialogue on the Highwind, Vincent said he'd figured out that Lucrecia chose Hojo to protect the scientist since he was considered inferior to Gast. Considering that DC shows Lucrecia telling Vincent that she got his father killed, and then has her running straight to Hojo, Vincent would have to be absurdly dense to not connect the dots for over 20 years, only to get it completely wrong when he does "finally understand" -Galian Beast and Chaos's appearances in DC are significantly different from their appearances in the original -Hojo didn't have a pony tail during the time of the Jenova Project, but DC presents him with one during that time; it also gives him a significantly different appearance in general from the one he had in Nomura's design of him for the original game -It's in a different room in DC that Vincent has his argument with Hojo and Lucrecia concerning human experiments -The original game featured Lucrecia collapsing in a room in a house in Nibelheim during the days of the Jenova Project; in DC, she's shown collapsing in a room in the Shinra Mansion instead -The Ultimania Omega for FFVII says that Vincent confronted Hojo due to Lucrecia disappearing about 23 years before the game's main events occurred (pg. 47). Even without the guide, the original game suggests that Vincent confronted Hojo due, at the least, to Lucrecia having complications while giving birth to Sephiroth. In DC, Lucrecia is still present in the Shinra Mansion at the time of the confrontation and Vincent's death at Hojo's hands. This becomes all the more strange since it's left unexplained for DC what Vincent must, then, have been shouting at Hojo about there when he asks, "Why did you let this happen?!" -Both Lucrecia herself in the original game and the Ultimania Omega (pg. 47) say that Lucrecia's body became hideous because of the Jenova Project, but this isn't shown or spoken of in DC -Hojo claims that he got the idea of using Jenova's cells to make his body fit enough to be the host for Omega after witnessing Vincent transform into Chaos right in front of him. Prior to the battle on the Sister Ray -- by which time Hojo had already injected himself -- when would he have had the opportunity to witness this? He and Vincent don't encounter one another at any other time, with the exception of the Reunion, where Vincent wasn't doing any fighting -In an interview prior to DC's release, Nomura said that the game would offer an in-story expanation for why Vincent and Yuffie weren't shown in FFVII's ending (http://thelifestream.net/canon-of-ffvii/when-did-the-opening-to-dirge-of-cerbe rus-take-place/). Via Vincent and Yuffie's profiles (pp. 67 and 70 respectively; pp. 69 and 71 in the Revised Edition) -- as well as pg. 134 (pg. 136 of the Revised Edition), from the plot synopsis for DC -- the 10th Anniversary Ultimania for FFVII states that it's the opening scene of DC that offered this explanation, which many fans had already inferred to be what Nomura was referring to. It further goes on to say that this opening scene happened after Yuffie and Vincent assisted in the final fight against Sephiroth in the Northern Crater. This unnecessary explanation -- unnecessary because everyone always knew they weren't in cutscenes of the original game because the player may not have picked them up, and limited disc space prevented four different versions of FMV cutscenes -- was always problematic in that Advent Children showed both Vincent and Yuffie participating in the fight with Sephiroth in the Northern Crater. So, many fans took the impression that DC retconned Vincent and Yuffie's presence in that fight, placing them in Midgar during that time instead. Whatever the case, if they were there for the fight against Sephiroth, then they couldn't possibly have been in Midgar evacuating citizens after the fight given that by the time the Highwind reached Midgar following Sephiroth's defeat, the city was already being trashed by the struggle between Meteor and Holy. OtWtaS: CoS later relocated the night of Rufus' rescue from the ruins of the Shin-Ra building from a week after the night Diamond Weapon destroyed his office to the same night -- with Reno spotting Yuffie assisting citizens with evacuations. So, the scene was granted plausible timing within the canon continuity, though it still leaves a mess of contradictions between the official materials* (Miscellaneous) -In LO, Cloud continues to wear his Shin-Ra regular unfirom even up to the time when he and Zack are intercepted while traveling to Midgar -Where is Reeve's father in OtWtaS: CoD? While his absence doesn't amount to the level of a contradiction, it is an unexplained plothole nonetheless. Granted, it could be as simple a thing as that he went on a trip out of town Plotholes and contradictions between the new titles in the Compilation -------------------------------------- -Four different versions of the Nibelheim reactor fight (one each in FFVII, BC, CC and LO)* -Cloud and Tifa talk in the Mt. Nibel mako reactor in LO, while no such conversation happens in the original or in CC (the dialogue heard there is the same as that from Cloud and Tifa in the present day in the original while watching Cloud's memory of the event)* -Cait Sith is variously depicted as a remote-controlled robot (original game), a remote-controlled robot with some AI functionality (BC), and a living creature (DC). As well, pg. 88 of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pg. 90 of the Revised Edition) mentions that Reeve used an ability all his own called "Inspire" to bring Cait Sith to life. See the "Cait Sith Versus the World (of Reason)" article earlier in this FAQ for more on that* -In an interview prior to DC's release, Nomura said that the game would offer an in-story expanation for why Vincent and Yuffie weren't shown in FFVII's ending (http://thelifestream.net/canon-of-ffvii/when-did-the-opening-to-dirge-of-cerbe rus-take-place/). Via Vincent and Yuffie's profiles (pp. 67 and 70 respectively; pp. 69 and 71 in the Revised Edition) -- as well as pg. 134 (pg. 136 of the Revised Edition), from the plot synopsis for DC -- the 10th Anniversary Ultimania for FFVII states that it's the opening scene of DC that offered this explanation, which many fans had already inferred to be what Nomura was referring to. It further goes on to say that this opening scene happened after Yuffie and Vincent assisted in the final fight against Sephiroth in the Northern Crater. This unnecessary explanation -- unnecessary because everyone always knew they weren't in cutscenes of the original game because the player may not have picked them up, and limited disc space prevented four different versions of FMV cutscenes -- was always problematic in that Advent Children showed both Vincent and Yuffie participating in the fight with Sephiroth in the Northern Crater. So, many fans took the impression that DC retconned Vincent and Yuffie's presence in that fight, placing them in Midgar during that time instead. Whatever the case, if they were there for the fight against Sephiroth, then they couldn't possibly have been in Midgar evacuating citizens after the fight given that by the time the Highwind reached Midgar following Sephiroth's defeat, the city was already being trashed by the struggle between Meteor and Holy. OtWtaS: CoS later relocated the night of Rufus' rescue from the ruins of the Shin-Ra building from a week after the night Diamond Weapon destroyed his office to the same night -- with Reno spotting Yuffie assisting citizens with evacuations. So, the scene was granted plausible timing within the canon continuity, though it still leaves a mess of contradictions between the official materials* -Absence of a Turk in the CC version of the Nibelheim reactor fight (there was a Turk there in the pod room in BC and LO), as well as the absence of a large crater in the pod room from Sephiroth attacking the Turk -One final guidebook inconsistency: As mentioned in the introduction to this section, pg. 80 (pg. 82 in the Revised Edition) of the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania claims that LO took place from Tseng's perspective -- despite the depiction of Sephiroth jumping into the Lifestream being at odds with the text on the report Tseng is reading, which says: "By the report ... it is considered that Cloud killed Sephiroth even though he suffered ..." -Genesis, Angeal and Sephiroth all have public fan clubs in CC, yet Genesis only disappears from the public eye a few years before FFVII begins. Despite this, the G Reports from DC tell us that "all records of this man's [Genesis] existence have been deleted," and that the only memory of him is the letter "G" ... like people aren't going to remember. It even goes so far as to say that "there is so little information on 'G' that his existence might be a fabrication." Completely nonsensical -When did Reeve get his "Inspire" ability that brings inanimate objects to life? Even in BC, Cait Sith was just a robot controlled by remote, while in DC, he seems to be somewhat alive -- able even to speak independently of Reeve -The Shin-Ra building isn't broken in half in DC, even though it takes place after AC -Why is Deepground still able to access mako from Reactor 0 in DC? In OtWtaS: CoB, it's said that the Lifestream's flow had changed so that mako couldn't be siphoned in the vicinity of Midgar anymore. Granted, Reactor 0 is deep beneath the surface and may be able to tap into the flow where the other reactors could not -The Turks' uniforms were all blue in the original game, but now they've been changed to black in almost all pre-original appearances. The black wasn't that weird in AC since it came after, and also wasn't a plothole as a result. Its presence in CC, BC and LO, however, is* -Zack's uniform is purple in BC and the original game (he was already 1st Class by then and had the Buster Sword); it was changed to black in LO and CC, along with all 1st Class uniforms, while Zack's purple outfit was a 2nd Class uniform unique to his use* -In AC, Zack is shown from Cloud's memory to have been running past Cloud while shouting "Cloud, run!" before taking a hit from a bullet just before what is obviously his death scene (this was similar to the original game where Zack ran past Cloud and then turned around before being shot down). In CC, there was no opportunity for any such event to occur. Zack hides Cloud behind some rocks, goes to fight, is forced to the cliff edge where he dies, and is then shot full of holes. Granted, this isn't a problem for ACC, where the above memory is absent -Similar to the above, in CC, Zack has Cloud hidden out of sight, but in ACC, when Cloud flashes back to Zack going to fight his final battle, he actually recalls seeing Zack standing in front of all the soldiers he fought. This depiction is actually more in line with the original game than anything else -It took Zack and Cloud nine months to get from Nibelheim to Midgar according to BC, while LO suggests that the whole thing occurs over the span of four days. While at his desk before opening the case file on the Nibelheim massacre, Tseng said it had been 72 hours since they'd received word of the escape. He continues flipping through the file all night until he receives a call in the early hours of the morning, at which time he gets in a helicopter to intercept Zack and Cloud outside Midgar along with the other Turks -In LO, Cissnei/Shuriken (Female) and Katana (Male) aren't part of the team sent to capture Cloud and Zack, either initially after they'd escaped, or later when they were approaching Midgar. In BC, they were part of the team sent to capture them after the initial escape, and in CC, Cissnei was one of the Turks trying to intercept them before they could reach Midgar -In BC, Tseng and the Turk who find Zack and Cloud shortly after their escape from Nibelheim have a lengthy conversation on the phone, during which the Turk tells him that they have escaped and that Zack is one of them. This prompts Tseng to tell the Turk to return to headquarters (essentially meaning he was letting them go for the time being), at which point she tells Zack that he and Cloud have escaped, and then leaves; in CC, the Turk in this situation (Cissnei) just phones Tseng, says that the targets have eluded capture and then hangs up, deciding alone to let them go before giving Zack the keys to a motorcycle to aid in his escape. Furthermore, in BC, the Turk who finds them has an actual fight with Zack, but in CC, Cissnei doesn't -In CC, Cissnei gives Zack the motorcycle he and Cloud use to travel toward Midgar while on the run from Shin-Ra. In LO, he takes it from some of the regular Shin-Ra soldiers sent to recapture them -In LO, Tseng gets in a helicopter in the early hours of the morning (before the sun rises) and is flown to intercept Zack and Cloud as they travel toward Midgar. The chopper he's in is over the road seconds before Zack and Cloud are shot at. In CC, Tseng is shown still in his office with the full light of morning coming through his window just before Zack and Cloud are targeted. In other words, he isn't there this time -In OtWtaS: CoY and OtWtaS: CoN, Yuffie is unable to kick open a door that has been nailed shut or carry a teenage boy, but in AC, she's capable of running up the side of a building and then jumping off it to sail dozens of feet before landing on her hands -- only to then throw herself back into the air from that position. And she does it all while throwing and catching a large, metal shuriken, which sailed even further than she did before bouncing off Bahamut and sailing dozens more feet through the air. Her strength is clearly not consistent across these titles -In OtWtaS: CoY, when Yuffie calls to find out from Cloud if there's a materia that can cure geostigma, why does Tifa even need to go ask Cloud this? Would she not know already if there was or wasn't one? For that matter, Cloud wouldn't just be sitting on the cure if he had it Self-contained plotholes in the new titles in the Compilation -------------------------------------- (CC) -What's up with Zack and Cloud escaping from the Shinra Mansion, Zack fighting soldiers there to capture them at the gate, and then going *back* to the Shinra Mansion and camping out for the rest of the day and most of the night unmolested, only for the town and its perimeter to be crawling with soldiers early the next morning -- as well as a Turk? Did none of these people think to check the mansion, where Zack and Cloud were just taking it easy in a bedroom like it was a Super 8 motel? Did Zack not consider that going back into the lion's den to "regroup" was a stupid idea? Seriously, what the hell? -Why were there sniper rifles conveniently placed around Nibelheim's perimeter for Zack's use? Seriously, looking at this and the above situation, was Shin-Ra *trying* to let the guy escape? -How did Genesis get hundreds of SOLDIERs to desert Shin-Ra with him? It may have involved Lazard's help, as he was in charge of SOLDIER at the time, but the specifics are left completely up in the air -Why didn't Genesis just take the pure Jenova cells straight from the creature when he was in the reactor at Nibelheim? Did he not make a connection between the name on the door at the back of the room and the creature whose cells he was looking for? -The cause of Genesis and Angeal's wings sprouting is not explained in either Crisis Core itself or its Ultimania; it apparently just happens sometime after they're told how they were experiments. Also, why didn't Sephiroth get a wing after learning about his origin? (DC) -According to the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania (pp. 100-101; pp. 102-103 of the Revised Edition), experiments were performed on Rosso that were thought to bring her closer to immortality than most humans, and experiments were conducted on Weiss that were thought to push human strength to its apex. What were these experiments? Why did they have these results? -According to the Crisis Core Complete Guide, Deepground's attack on Kalm at the beginning of the game was to specifically gather up the children. While we do see the Deepground SOLDIERs trying to kill adults, at the end of the opening FMV, we also see them corraling both adults and children into the transport boxes they were using for prisoners -Why were the Tsviets not used against Sephiroth during the Jenova War? With the Restrictors' ability to bind them, they couldn't have exactly refused, despite their unpredictable behavior. Weiss had a virus that would kill him if he didn't follow orders, and the situation was certainly critical enough by the time Meteor showed up that there was nothing left to lose. Since they were going to send regular Shin-Ra soldiers to the Northern Crater to fight (talk to the soldiers in Junon late in the game to learn of this), it hardly makes sense that they wouldn't go all out and send Deepground since it had some warriors that might have actually had a chance -Why did neither Vincent nor Cloud and his team ever stumble across that materia recording left by Lucrecia in the Shinra Mansion? It wasn't exactly well hidden. All you had to do was walk into the room and it came rolling out, apparently. This is especially absurd since Vincent had apparently looked around the mansion enough to know the location of the materia there needed for the Zirconiade summon in BC -Where did the above materia come rolling from? Why did it roll out at all? -Why did Azul and Deepground stop attacking when they demolished the WRO headquarters? Azul even had Vincent running since his guns weren't having any effect on Azul's Behemoth form. The attack seemingly stopped abruptly with no explanation and none of the characters commenting on it. Was this just plot contrivance so the WRO could get an opportunity to retrieve Shalua's body? -How did Vincent's cell phone emerge unscathed through the bombing of his hotel room at the beginning of the game? -Why does Hojo look the same in the flashbacks to the days of the Jenova Project as his hologram does in the present day? -If Hojo knew that Vincent gained Chaos from a tainted Lifestream and that Omega would need to be grown from a clean one, why did he supposedly attempt making his body strong enough to contain it by using Jenova's cells (the injection that led to his transformations in the original game)? He wasn't suggested to have gained any new knowledge about the two beings after copying his mind into the worldwide network, so it hardly makes sense, especially given how adamant he was that Nero craft mako without any of Jenova's cells included (as Omega needed a clean host) -How did the image of Lucrecia appear inside Omega Weapon and easily retrieve the Protomateria? -During the time when the player controls Vincent in Chaos form as he approaches Omega Weapon, why is it that Mako Reactor 1 (identifiable by the kanji on the front of it) isn't operating, despite Reeve saying that Deepground had tied Reactors 1 through 8 to 0's mainframe in order to increase its output? -What purpose did Vincent flying through Omega Weapon's body serve? He didn't destroy or otherwise damage anything but antibodies -Why does the mako snow at the end of the game heal Shelke of her need for constant mako showers when the constant mako showers themselves hadn't healed her? -How does Weiss have a body at the end of the game at all? It had dissipated once and then presumably been reformed out of pure spirit energy inside of Omega Weapon, and was apparently then reformed again for Genesis to find after it was destroyed in the game's final battle -Where is Argento in DC's main story? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------Acknowledgements--------------[9.0Ac] Thanking people, recognizing copyrights and some other boring legal stuff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks [9.1Ac] I would like to thank the following members of GameFAQs for their contributions -- unintentional though they occasionally were -- toward the initial writing of this FAQ: Leuchest/The Dark Legend MobiusGear1 Katicflis I also must extend a very special thanks to the staff and contributors of TheLifestream.net, as well as LH Yeung/Xcomp for his dedication to this fandom as manifested through his excellent FFVII Web Novels website (content now hosted on TheLifestream.net). All of your work -- and many of your forum discussions -- have been invaluable in the updates for this FAQ that began in September of 2009. Really, enough thanks can't be given to you guys. In particular, though, I would like to thank hitoshura and Makoeyes987 of TheLifestream.net. The former for his numerous translations, and the latter for his numerous contributions to and suggestions for this FAQ -- as well as his dedication in shaping TheLifestream.net into the best Final Fantasy VII fansite on the web. As well, several members of the Cloud x Aerith forums and TheLifestream.net's forums are owed my gratitude for their contributions to the "Who is Cloud in love with?" article. It wouldn't be half of what it is without your past debates to draw upon and your recent comments and suggestions about the initial release of the article. Namely, I'd like to thank the following members from each forum. From Cloud x Aerith: Anastar, FF_Goddess, Beatrix, EdgarxTerra/MagitekElite/AerithGainsborough, nyrin and Silent Chaos. From TheLifestream.net: Isabella, Ryushikaze, Vendel/Darth Malak, Loxetta, Splintered, Mako Eyes, Fairheartstrife, Raquelborn, Terra Branford, TheMadHatter, Frostwave, Fighter, Shademp, I Am Not Me, The Notorious M.O.G., Celes Chere/EVA/Cissy/Yusei, Tennyo and espritduo. From both forums: Quexinos, Mira/M-Mira, KissTheRain, Zelda/Zee, Heaven's Cloud/Lena, DrakeClawfang and Winter/Like Vines. In particular, Quexinos, Isabella and Ryushikaze likely influenced the article most with their various comments on the Love Triangle Debate. Both of the latter two have made a number of illuminating points, as well as said things more succinctly and meaningfully than I believe I could have, while Quexinos has always brought new material to my attention or called upon me to think about things another way. Celes/EVA/Cissy/Yusei also gets a special thanks for providing me scans of all the relationship charts from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character discussed in this FAQ, as well as for using my subtitles to make this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMoYIF0oJmg Sheila of rinoa.nu is also owed a thanks for providing me with photographs from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario guide prior to me purchasing my own copy. I must also thank a fellow that goes by the name of Mimeblade for his *huge* contributions to the "Spirit Energy and Memories" article. It is dedicated to him. I would also like to thank Square Enix and the staff of each title discussed in this document for having made them. Even for Dirge of Cerberus. And to a lesser extent for Crisis Core, Last Order and Before Crisis. There are others who I know I've overlooked. I'm sorry. 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