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An Onipa'a Software Production       Vol. 2, No. 12 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher & Editor.......................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Internet Email....................................thelamp@sheppyware.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                             TABLE OF CONTENTS                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                             December 15, 1999OPENING PITCH     Must've Travelled Down That Road Before ------------------------ [OPN]A FUNNY THING HAPPENED                                                [FOR]     The Heat Is On ------------------------------------------------- [HET]     Miscellanea                                                      [MSC]     Rumor Mill ----------------------------------------------------- [RMR]     Public Postings                                                  [PUB]     Best Of The Best ----------------------------------------------- [BOB]PERSPECTIVE POSITIVE     Y][K ----------------------------------------------------------- [POP]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].         :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::         :                                                       :         :         If it ain't broke, give it a day or two       :         :                                                       :         :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TONYW1 :::::::::::::[EOA][OPN]------------------------------                     OPENING PITCH |-----------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]                  MUST'VE TRAVELLED DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     A word of explanation, and, I guess, subtle apology.  This issue'seditorial isn't about the Apple II.  It's about me, and why it's time forme to move on from being your editor every month.     It's been a long time since I've had a chance to rest.  Typically theonly rest I really get during a year is my annual trip to KansasFest--yes,you can rest by not sleeping for a week--and the occasional extendedweekend trip to another island I take maybe three times every two years.Social workers are not known for making it to retirement age without somesignificant case of burnout, so every five months I make sure I do what Ineed to do to take care of myself.     Everything in life was pretty settled for awhile too.  I had myfull-time job, my part-time job, my newsletter, my hobbies--I wasn't shorton time, but I wasn't filled with excess either.  I had a balance.  Justenough of each.     But balance doesn't last forever.  You add one more thing on one side,and you're bound to tip over.  And that's what's happened to me.     I have many other things in my multiple lives that I want to do beforeI'm done, and in order to get to the things that could make me great, Ihave to give up some of the things that just make me good.  And in thiscase, that's this newsletter.     But this isn't just a case of what's best for me.  If it was, I'd havebeen able to give it up a long time ago.  This is also what's best for you.The past two months I haven't been able to live up to my own loosestandards about what a "timely" publication should be, and that's just notacceptable.  You deserve better.     So with a tear and a sigh, I turn over my virtual reigns to Lyle.     Here's to a better tomorrow for all of us.                                [*] [*] [*]     Mahalo Means Thank You Department: it's no small task to say how muchI appreciate what everyone has done for me, and it's not easy to thankthose of you who mean so much to me, but I'll try anyway.     Doug Cuff, Joe Kohn, Eric and Sarah Shepherd, Cindy Adams, Max Jones,Gary and Sue Utter, Steve Gozdziewski, Loren Damewood, Henrik Gudat, TonyWard, Tony Diaz, Harold Hislop, Kirk Mitchell (my KFest roommate for therest of the duration, I think), and anyone else I may have missed in myApple II world--you have meant so much to me, I don't know what else to saybut thanks.  For everything.     To my family who's put up with my obsession for 17 years now and whostarted me down this road with the Apple ][+, words can't express how muchyou mean to me.  Without you, I would be far from the man I am today.     And to all of you for reading: let's take the II into Y2K with style.                                [*] [*] [*]     Aloha Means Goodbye Department: In this life I've enjoyed as youreditor, I've seen things and gone places that I never imagined I'd be ableto before.  I've met the faithful at Avila and seen that which never was.I've had more fun than I can imagine and seen things I never thought I'dsee, made friends from all over the world, and done what I'd only dreamedwas possible.     This is not to say I won't be here.  I plan to still do the publishingside of things, and write the occasional column, both for _The Lamp!_ andfor _Juiced.GS_.  I also have a few other projects which you all might beinterested in (and unfortunately, I can't really talk about right now).And I'll still be hanging out in Delphi A2 Conference during my free time.A lot.     In the meantime, remember to love the people in your life like there'sno tomorrow.  Because when you come right down to it. . .     There's not.Ryanthelamp@sheppyware.netASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA][OPN]------------------------------     A FUNNY THING HAPPENED. . . . |-----------------------------------Checking out A2 on Delphi"""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]       * The Heat Is On              * Miscellanea                     * Rumor Mill                            * Public Postings                                        * Best Of The Best                              THE HEAT IS ON                              """"""""""""""     [*] Apple Operating System      ....... IN# vs. PR#     [*] User Groups & Publications  ....... EBay And Apple IIs     [*] General Chatter             ....... What Would You Ask Woz?     [*] Telecommunications          ....... Why Aren't You Using An OLR?                                MISCELLANEA                                """""""""""REACHING THE GARAGE SALE APPLE II USER   Hi Joe,""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""What's the best way for a Garage II user to get in touch with you thesedays?You know the type--they just got an Apple II at a garage sale, don't haveinternet access, but want to spend their hard-earned $50 on $5,000 worth ofsoftware. ;)Do you have a catalog you send to people by mail? Should I just forward theaddress to you?Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 27115, GO COM A2)>>>>>   The only catalog that's 100% complete is spread across 22 issues of"""""   the Shareware Solutions II newsletter.Then there's the web site (http://www.crl.com/~joko) which is not quite upto date.For those who don't have a modem, I do have a 3.5" Shareware Solutions IICatalog disk, and would be more than happy to mail that if you sent me theaddress of the "Garage II" user. That disk is not up to date either.Joe                       (JOE_KOHN, 27116, GO COM A2)<<<<<   I'll drop the address to you by e-mail, but I don't know what good"""""   a disk will do her--or a web address. I'm sure she doesn't haveAppleWorks. She doesn't have web access. She just wants to get some oldgames and maybe an education program or two.I think that's your next untapped market, but you'll have to figure outsome way to economically tell those people what you have, without using theweb or a newsletter. A paper catalog may be the best bet.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 27129, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I'd think that having an up-to-date catalog, printed, and ready to"""""   ship out to people looking for info might make a lot of sense.That's an untapped market.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 27134, GO COM A2)MORE TIPS ON ACCELERATING THE IIGS   The stability is more related to the""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   cache chips, but A LOT more on therest of the computer. ROM 01 motherboards make much more challengingenvironmentsI haven't had much luck at all with ROM 01's at all with over than 10MHz orso. Try some other SRAMs if you can get at them easily. Old 486 and earlyPentium motherboards are a good source for SRAM (62256, 8x32).Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 27345, GO COM A2)AND THE IIGS CHECKERBOARD PATTERN MEANS WHAT?   The main processor has a"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   problem. It could be bad,or it could just be dirt or corrosion in the socket, or it could be (if theprevious owner had an accelerator card) that the processor chip has beeninserted backwards.As you look at the motherboard from the front, the processor is a prettylarge chip, near the midline of the board horizontally, and halfway betweenthe midline and the bottom vertically. It should be labeled "65816".Note that this chip (like most of the others on the board) has a littlenotch on one end. That notch should be oriented towards the front of thecase. If it's not, you've found your problem right there.If it is, and you feel competent to do this, you can pry that chip up a bitand push it down tight again. Be VERY careful with it, and don't take itout all the way, just loosen it and retighten it. If there is corrosion inthe socket, that will usually take care of it.Do NOT have the machine turned on when you do this. :) It is good, however,to have it plugged in, and to touch the case of the power supply before youstart, just to get rid of static....If the chip is properly oriented, and tightening it doesn't help, thenyou'll likely need to replace it.(Hmmmm, you would get the same symptom if there was an accelerator cardinstalled in the machine and it had a bad connection. If you DO have anaccelerator, the procedure becomes more complicated, come back and let usknow if that is the case.)Gary R. Utter                         (UTTER, 27363, GO COM A2)>>>>>   It is not the socket soldered to the board, it's the pins in the"""""   socket.Those CPU sockets are of the cheapest variety obtainable. The leadsinternally start like this:(Crude drawing time, this is a side view of a pin inserted in the socket)CPU LEAD   |   | ^   |/ |   / |       |     PCBWhen the CPU lead is inserted it asserts pressure on the socket contactwhich pushes that diagonal part toward the bottom so they are in parallelwith the socket lead pushing up against the inserted CPU lead. After it'sbeen in there a while and removed, that socket lead does not spring back,but as long as only a DIP package CPU with *FLAT* leads is placed in thereit will line up and work.When you place a ribbon cable DIP header in there with thicker leads, bethey flat or semi rounded, they are much longer, much, MUCH stronger andthey push down further in the CPU socket, and they make contact but whenthe CPU is placed back in the socket this is what happens:CPU LEAD   |   | ^   | | |     | |        |     PCBBecause the heftier Zip/TWGS connector forced it's way into that thing andpushed it further toward the outer edge of the CPU socket (inside). When aCPU is not put back, it's leads end up hitting further down on what is leftof the angled part that is now almost straight down and will bend it justthat much further. It may work still. However, the next time it's removedand replaced (the CPU chip) it pushes those cheap pins just that little bitmore where several are not making good contact anymore and your IIgsmotherboard does nothing more than play a stale game of chess when it isturned on.I have had this happen to brand new motherboards right out of the box in asfew as three swaps. I've had others last for two years or more gettingswapped out often. It's russian roulette.If your computer does the same thing with or without the CPU chip in thesocket and you have been playing with Zip/TWGS cards then this is yourproblem. Even if your Zip GS seems to be working but is a bit flaky attimes. The socket is many many times the thing that is causing it.I change the sockets with machine pin sockets and the problem goes away.Tony                        (T_DIAZ, 27474, GO COM A2)BUT IF YOUR MODEM DOESN'T INITIALIZE, HOW DO YOU GET THERE?   I ran across"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   a site with anice collection of modem init strings since this is something thatfrequently comes up. The site is {<http://www.modemhelp.com/>http://www.modemhelp.com/}The only thing is be careful since most of the init strings are for PCusers. Any time an &D2 is used in the init string, it should be changed to&D0 (ampersand dee zero). This is specifically for Spectrum, Proterm, andMacintosh users. ANSITerm does some wacky stuff so I'm not sure whatchanges are needed for init strings to make them work.Geoff                       (SISGEOFF, 27400, GO COM A2)HOW DO I UPDATE ANIMASIA TO 1.1B1?   The v1.1b1 update is the application""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   file, and simply replaces the originalv1.0 application file. Nothing more needs to happen. You can remove theoriginal v1.0 application file from your hard drive. If you ever need itagain, you can get it from your original disk or in the original on-linearchive. Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 27528, GO COM A2)WHY IS IT SO HARD TO DO A IIGS WEB BROWSER?   Because we are not only"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   talking about GIF images, butJPEGs as well, not to mention Java applets, and the limited width andresolution of the IIgs screen, and the memory and speed limitations of theaverage IIgs.Most web pages these days would not look anything like they were intendedon the IIgs screen even if you were prepared to sit and wait for twentyminutes while they drew themselves.As it stands, SIS displays web pages much as you get using Netscape or MIEif you turn off the graphics...We discussed this all at length a year or so back on Genie, but I guess itis time to air it all once more! Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Mon 29 Nov 1999 - 240 days till Y2KFest Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.2 & Crock O' Gold 3.2 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ewannop/                        (EWANNOP, 27515, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Besides the references to a past discussion, I would just like to"""""   add that you would have to find a programmer doing all the work fornext to nothing. was a reasonable opportunity, maybe there were a fewcandidates for that job, but I doubt the current situation allows for suchan undertaking. Too bad for the few remaining programmers (who might enjoythe job) and those few people who are buying regularly A2 stuff. (So yesDelphi is not really the right place to complain. :)Acid test: how much would you pay for it?regards,Henrik Woof Gudatwoof woof                        (GUDATH, 27523, GO COM A2)>>>>>   Besides all the technical difficulties, which have been discussed"""""   at length in the past, most programmers have quite enough to do,trying to make a living and occasionally working on projects that have achance of being completed satisfactorily. This project is clearly for ahobbyist with lots of time on his hands, and who is willing to give awaythe results. If you try to sell it for what it's worth, assuming that youcan do it at all, you will get less than ten buyers. And you'll only getthat many if you sell it for $20 or less. So figure on grossing less than$200. Still willing to try it? Go to it, tiger! We are all waiting. Oh,yeah, if you are not done by next July, we will all complain that you aretoo slow, and buy Macs or PCs, and then you will have no market at all.Any takers?  -- Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Mon 29 Nov 99 7:52:12 pm cknoblo@novia.net - Via Spectrum v2.2 & Crock O' Gold v3.2 Y][Kfest, July 26-30, 2000 - 240 days till Y][Kfest Using Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.                        (CKNOBLO, 27535, GO COM A2)>>>>>   If you're having a good time knocking together a web browser -- DO"""""   IT! :)If you find programming boring and tedious, or you want to turn a profit,run and hide. :)The best and only real reason to write a program for the Apple II is foryour own enjoyment. If you like it, go for it! If nothing else, you canlearn just what you're capable of.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 27552, GO COM A2)>>>>>   I whole heartedly agree. In fact, unless it is a lot of money I"""""   don't see much motivation in doing something one dislikes. I enjoyprogramming at my job, otherwise I wouldn't do it.Now I just need to raise some money to buy some books and a decent IIgscompiler I need to start small, I think a browser is a bit beyond my reach.:)Dain Neaterdneater@inebraska.com                      (STILLHAVEIT, 27554, GO COM A2)>>>>>   In really round numbers, and for tasks like parsing the HTML and"""""   drawing on the screen that don't require floating-point, figure theApple IIGS is about 10%-15% as fast as your Mac. For floating-point itfalls further behind, even when you are looking at a processor that doesn'thave built-in floating-point, because it only has 16 bit registers and nobarrel rolls to emulate floating-point using software. It also doesfloating-point calculations in-SANE, which slows things down even farther.Frankly, though, I don't think this is an issue. I disagree with the peoplethat think a web browser would be too slow on an Apple IIGS. On a fastcomputer, most of the time is spent waiting on the modem. The Apple IIGScould spend that time doing something useful, so it would seem much fasterthan the processor speed would lead you to expect. I think a graphical webbrowser that supported 16 gray scales and horizontal screen scrolling (orperhaps a zoom feature) would be quite possible on the Apple IIGS. I justdon't think it would be worth the investment of time to actually do it.But if this is a hobby project for you, go for it. Even if you don'tfinish, you'll have a good time and learn a lot.Mike Westerfield                       (BYTEWORKS, 27562, GO COM A2)IS IT TRUE A IIC TO IW I CABLE WORKS FOR NULL MODEM TRANSFER?   It's true"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   -if- thecable is wired for full two way communication and handshaking, and you havethe correct gender DB25 on the IWI end attached to your other box, i.e. tryit, it might work, if not, you've not lost anything. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Boycott Alamo! Please don't quote without permission. Delivered by Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                       (RSUENAGA, 27113, GO COM A2)                                RUMOR MILL                                """"""""""WHERE THE II WILL BE IN Y3K   I was flipping the channels Sunday night and"""""""""""""""""""""""""""   caught some of the futuristic (year 3000)cartoon, "Futurama". They were testing a new x-ray scope, and aimed it atBender, an intelligent robot. They scanned his chest, stomach, head... andthere in his brain was a chip marked 6502.Neat. :)-Ken                       (KEN_GAGNE, 27296, GO COM A2)FASTER DELPHI DOWNLOADS?  MAYBE NOT   "Beginning this evening, the maximum"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""    speed download limitation has beeneffectively eliminated by setting it to 53Kbps."I'm not sure what that means, but it almost certainly won't bring telnettransfers up to the speed of ftp. All else being equal, a protocol transfer(ie. Zmodem) via telnet will always be slower, usually much slower, thaneither an ftp transfer or a protocol transfer via serial (dialup)connection.If some sort of speed bottleneck on Delphi's end has been fixed, then theremight be an overall improvement in download speeds that would affect telnetmore than dialups. Since all dialups to Delphi are 28.8Kbps or slower (Ithink), increasing the top speed on Delphi's end to 53Kbps won't help atall (assuming the original speed setting was not lower than 28.8Kbps.) Butif you connect to your ISP at anything higher than whatever Delphi's speedwas set to before (again I'm guessing 28.8Kbps) and telnet to Delphi, thenthe added speed will help a bit. But you'll still probably get a fasterdownload on a 28.8Kbps serial connection than on a 53Kbps telnetconnection. And ftp would beat them both. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Ward, A2 Database Manager - Fri Nov 05, 1999 2:27:25 am [Delivered with Spectrum v2.2 and Crock O' Gold v3.2a] -- Give me chastity and continence, but not just now.                        (TONYW1, 27164, GO COM A2)THE II TAKES ITS PLACE   And the Apple II is number 5 on The Dismal""""""""""""""""""""""   Scientist's Top 25 Economic Events of the 20thCentury list: {<http://www.dismal.com/top25/t25_apple2.stm>http://www.dismal.com/top25/t25_apple2.stm}--Steve Reeves                       (REEVESST, 27199, GO COM A2)WAS THERE A GSHISEN COMPETITION AT KFEST 99?   No, it never happened. Stan""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Marks and I had a friendlycompetition in his room one evening, and it was lots of fun. (Well, it wasfor me, anyway. Don't know if Stan was that amused since I kicked his butta couple of times. :-)!!!!! )It's clear to me that a GShisen tournament would be easy to pull off atKFest, and I plan to do that next summer. I'll even arrange some neatprizes for the winners.Here's how I think it would work ......-- Choose a few GShisen game numbers that are fairly easy to solve in quickfashion. (I've been collecting some game numbers that I think would be goodcandidates for a competition.) Everyone would play the same game number onthe same computer. (Of course, the players would not know what game numberthey are playing until =after= they play. The contest managers wouldcontrol the environment.)-- Have several rounds of competition, perhaps three. Everyone competes inthe preliminary round, and the players with the top ten times advance tothe semi-final round. The players with the top five times then advance tothe championship round.-- In the championship round, the players with the top three times are thewinners, with the most valuable prizes going to best times. The winnerwould be crowned GShisen king, and forevermore be smothered with adulationand held in awe wherever he or she goes.How does that sound? Any suggestions for setting things up better?I think this sounds like fun. Let's make it happen at Y][2KFest in July,2000!! Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs                       (JUICEDGS, 27502, GO COM A2)                              PUBLIC POSTINGS                              """""""""""""""SHIFTY SURPRISE FROM SHEPPY   Surprise!"""""""""""""""""""""""""""Shifty List, the popular Apple IIgs utility, has been updated to version2.0.3 and is now available for the new low price of $15. Unlike pastversions, the downloadable version is no longer crippled.The only changes in 2.0.3 beyond 2.0.2 are improvements to the installationprocess and corrections in the documentation.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 27175, GO COM A2)SORRY, SOLD OUT   Shareware Solutions II no longer has any WebWorks GS"""""""""""""""   manuals available.Joe Kohn                       (JOE_KOHN, 27197, GO COM A2)YOU'VE GOT SNAIL   After a good year or so without a mailing address, I""""""""""""""""   have a mailing address for SheppyWare-related purposes.Please note that stuff sent to this address will typically only beresponded to if it's (a) really good, or (b) a SASE is included.Eric ShepherdPMB 4391852 West 11th StreetTracy, CA 95376United States of AmericaSoftware payments should continue to go to Kagi as before.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 27172, GO COM A2)WEBWORKS GS NOW SHAREWARE   WebWorks GS, the HTML editing solution for"""""""""""""""""""""""""   Apple IIgs computers, has now been released asshareware. This new version, with a handful of bug fixes, can be downloadedin its complete and uncrippled form at<http://www.sheppyware.net/products/a2/wwgs>.The price has been lowered from $20 to US $15. Registration can be doneeither by snail mail using the included registration form or online at<http://order.kagi.com/?QGC>.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                        (SHEPPY, 27173, GO COM A2)LOST CLASSIC HITS A HOMER ONCE. . .   I'm pleased to announce that the Lost"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Classics Project has recentlyreceived a change of classification status for Apple II software previouslypublished by Kitchen Sink Software. Among the titles to be released areKickstart, a volume copying and program launcher (now awaiting release inthe databases), AccuDraw, Robot Assembly Lab, Amazing Window Gradebook,System II Developer's Kit, Easy II, and CADDRAW. Eric Bush, the owner ofKitchen Sink is in the process of readying these titles for distribution.As soon as they're available they'll be uploaded to the databases here andon the Trenco ftp site. Watch for release notices here, soon! :)Later...........Howard                         (HKATZ, 27263, GO COM A2). . . AND TWICE   I'm pleased to announce that the Lost Classics Project"""""""""""""""   has now secured the reclassification of Deja II.Deja II allows a Macintosh user running at least OS7 to run their personalcopy of AppleWorks 5 on their Mac, using most of the Mac's features,including the hard drive. Most of the user's favorite TimeOut applicationsand UltraMacros will also work from within the DejaII shell.Please remember this is a Macintosh program, and it does NOT supplyAppleWorks 5 - the user must supply that in order for this program to work.DejaII has been reclassified with the permission of the authors, RandyBrandt and Mark Munz, and will be available for downloading here as soon asit's been reviewed and released by the librarian.This program will also be available for download from the trenco ftp site.Later..............Howard                         (HKATZ, 27352, GO COM A2)IT'S NEVER TOO EARLY"""""""""""""""""""" ______      _____(      )   (      )     ____________________________________________ |     |  /     /      (        ____________________________2000____) |     | /     /        |      | |     |/     /         |      |                         II Infinitum!! |           /          |      |______ |     |\     \         |      _______) __________    ________   ________ |     | \     \        |      |       (     _____)  (     ___) (__    __) |     |  \     \       |      |        |   |__       \    \       |   | |     |   \     \      |      |        |    __)       \    \      |   | |     |    \      \    |      |        |   |_____   ___\    \     |   |(______)    (________) (_______)       (__________) (_________)    |___|Help usher in the 21st century with the Apple II!! When: July 26-30, 2000 Where: Avila College, Kansas City, Missouri+++The most important Apple II event of the year, Y ][ KFest (KFest 2000), ison our calendar again, and it's never too early to make sure it has a placeon your calendar, too.Better yet, KFest is back with the same great prices as last year!Check out these rates, which include room and meals from Wednesday evening(dinner) on July 26, through Sunday morning (breakfast) on July 30.(Saturday evening dinner not included. That's KFesters' Night Out On TheTown!)+++ Early Bird rates (good if you register BEFORE April 15) +++ Double room: $225 Single room: $275 Spouse rate (bring the spouse or son or daughter): $175 Registration only (no dorm room or meals): $175+++ Regular Attendee rates (if you register AFTER April 15) +++ Double room: $275 Single room: $325 Spouse rate (bring the spouse or son or daughter): $225 Registration only (no dorm room or meals): $225Those cool KFest "soft-wear" T-shirts will also be available again thisyear for $15, but ONLY if you order in advance. (See registration formbelow.)+++ Special Early Arrivals rate +++Like last year, Y ][ KFest will start early for those who'd like to arrivea little sooner. Avila dorms will be available for occupancy on Tuesdaynight for a small extra fee. No formal activities will be planned, althoughthe day may include the annual trek to KC Masterpiece Restaurant for someof that world-famous Kansas City barbecue!The rate for early arrivals (Tuesday night dorm room only): Double room: $25 Single room: $33For attendees planning to arrive at the normal time on Wednesday, check-inwill be from 1-4 pm. Check-out will be from 11 am-1 pm on Sunday.Current plans call for formal Y ][ KFest sessions to begin with dinner inthe Avila cafeteria on Wednesday evening (time to be announced), followedby the traditional opening event, the Keynote Address. We've got some greatplans again for that opening night activity. Stay tuned!!Computer sessions will be conducted on Thursday and Friday. Software andhardware demos are scheduled for Saturday morning, with a vendor fairslated for Saturday afternoon.Reminder: Meals included in the registration price are Wednesday dinnerthrough Sunday breakfast, with the exception of Saturday dinner.On Saturday night, attendees can dine on their own at one of the many finerestaurants near the Avila campus, or join groups of KFesters at Jess &Jim's Steak House or other local favorites.All children under 18 years must be accompanied by a parent or legalguardian. ***Y ][ KFest this year is again being sponsored by InTrec Software, Inc.,makers of ProTERM telecommunications software for the Apple II andMacintosh.If you have questions about Y ][ KFest, or wish to make suggestions, youcan find answers via the Internet. Just send an email message to:kfest-help@kfest.org ... or visit the KFest World Wide Web page at:http://www.kfest.orgIf you're thinking about attending Y ][ KFest, please join the KFestInternet e-mail chat:To subscribe to the KFest Information Mailing List, send email tomajordomo@kfest.org. In the BODY of the message, place the following text:                subscribe kfestYou will receive a confirmation e-mail. In order to be signed up for thelist, you will have to respond to this confirmation as the instructionsdictate. You will then be able send and read messages on the mailing list. ---[ The Form ]------------[ Cut Here ]----------[ Print Clearly ]---Y ][ KFest Registration FormView and print this document using 9-point Monaco font (ProTERM default) orany other monospaced font such as Courier, CoPilot or Spectrum.Registering for Y ][ KFest  <> By phone:      - Call the InTrec sales office: 602/992-5515      - Be prepared to give the information requested in the         KFest Registration Form below.  <> Fax or email KFest Registration Form using a credit card number:      - Complete the form below and send the KFest Registration Form.         Email: <kfest@intrec.com> (NOTE: email is not secure.)           Fax: 602/992-0232  <> By postal mail: Credit card, check, Purchase Order or money order:      - Print and fill out the KFest Registration Form.      - Mail the form with the payment to:         InTrec Software, Inc.         Attn: KFest Registration         3035 E Topaz Cir         Phoenix, Az 85028-4423 Checks and money orders must be on a USA bank and USA compatible funds. Registration Cost Check Applicable ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Early Bird rates (before April 15) Double $225 [ ] Single $275 [ ] Spouse only $175 [ ] Off campus $175 [ ]Regular rates (after April 15 and at the door) Double room $275 [ ] Single room $325 [ ] Spouse only $225 [ ] Conference only $225 [ ]Early Arrival rates Double $25 [ ] Single $33 [ ] T-Shirts $15 ea May we send your registration confirmation via e-mail? [ ]Yes [ ]NoIf NO, how can we contact you for confirmation?:____________________________________________________________________________________________________Roommate preference: _____________________________________________________ Prefer a smoker/non-smoker. Check one: [ ] Smoke [ ] Non-smoke KFest Softwear: Order a memorable collectible Y ][ KFest T-Shirt? $15 ea Quantity: [ ] [ ] [ ]  [ ]  [ ]   [ ]     Size: SML MED LRG XLRG 2XLRG 3XLRG Today's Date: ________/_________/_________  1- Registration fee (see above dates & fees) ......... ______________  2- Registration fee for spouse if applicable ......... ______________  3- T-Shirts Quantity [ ] @ $15.00 ea) ............. ______________  4- Sub-total of lines 1-3: ........................... ______________  5- Arizona residents only add .07% tax: .............. ______________  6- Total cost (total of lines 4-5): .................. ______________  Discover, Visa, Mastercard or American Express accepted.  Checks & money orders must be payable to InTrec Software, and must  be in US dollars from a US bank.  _______________________________ ____________________________________  First Name Last Name  ______________________________________________________________________  Organization (if applicable to Y ][ KFest)  ______________________________________________________________________  Shipping Address  ______________________________________________________________________  City  _______________________________________________ _____________________  State/Province Zip+4 or Postal Code  _______/_______________________ _______/_____________________________  Day Phone Eve Phone  [______________________________________________________________________  Internet Mail Address  [ ] [ / ]  Credit Card Number (Mastercard-Visa-Discovery-Amex) Expiration Date  ______________________________________________________________________  Name on Card (please print clearly)  ______________________________________________________________________  Authorized Signature (If printed, and mailed or faxed.)  If you feel that using a credit card number via email may not be secure,consider mailing via postal service, fax, or call voice to give the cardnumber. Sponsored by:  InTrec Software, Inc.  3035 E Topaz Circle  Phoenix, AZ 85028-4423  Voc:602/992-1345  Fax:602/992-0232  <kfest@intrec.com>  <http://www.kfest.org>  ---[ End of Form ]-----------[ Cut Here ]---------[ Print Clearly ]---                      (CINDYADAMS, 27387, GO COM A2)NINJAFORCE MASTERS THEIR OWN DOMAIN   Ninjaforce, the makers of the"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Ninjaforce Megademo and the upcomingKABOOM! are proud to announce that their new website is online. It can befound at: {<http://www.ninjaforce.com> http://www.ninjaforce.com}Watch out for more exciting facts and features about KABOOM! Findbackground information about our past projects. Take a look behind thescenes of the Ninjaforce developer summit.-- Ninjaforce                       (JESSEBLUE, 27497, GO COM A2)                             BEST OF THE BEST                             """"""""""""""""27198 8-NOV 23:39  General Chatter     PC World's Top 10 Computers of All Time     From: SHEPPY       To: ALLThe Apple II made #2 on PC World's top 10 computers of all time list: {<http://www.applelinks.com/articles/1999/11/19991108115145.shtml>http://www.applelinks.com/articles/1999/11/19991108115145.shtml}---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net[EOA][A2P]------------------------------                   A2Pro_DUCTIVITY |-----------------------------------Checking out A2PRO on Delphi""""""""""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, B.A., M.S.W., L.S.W.                [thelamp@sheppyware.net]CONTEMPLATING ANOTHER IIGS WEB BROWSER   If I were going to write a web""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   browser for the IIgs (which I'mnot, man, I hate text parsing!), I'd design it with an internal "threading"system, whereby my event loop would dispatch to subfunctions that wouldperform a few iterations per pass of various functions, like:EventLoop() {if (loading_new_page) {load_page_from_internetparse_page_into_internal_formatrendering_page = trueloading_new_page = falserender_the_text}if (rendering_page) {for (i=0 to num_of_pictures) {convert_scanline_to_gs(i)draw_scanline(i)}}}This would display the page's text, then progressively render the graphicsfrom the page in the background, so the user could be looking at,scrolling, even navigating the page, while the jpegs and gifs slowlydecode, convert into a GS-friendly format, and draw them on the page.This way the user could either wait for the entire page to render, or justmouse through it. Obviously it's not a simple task, and you'd have somepages (especially those that don't include WIDTH and HEIGHT attributes onimages) that would be a little trickier, but it could work.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2831, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   This is definitely the "right" way to do this. One sticky point is"""""   would you want to download all graphics before this point ordownload graphics slowly during this time. I don't believe Marinetti hasany kind of auto tuning. What happens is Marinetti will download and buffergraphics as fast as it can (making mouse movement and scrolling verysluggish since all the interrupt time is being used by Marinetti). Theapplication then reads the TCP/IP data when it gets a chance into theapplication's work space. Then the application does it's stuff likedecoding the picture data and store the uncompressed picture into a picturebuffer and draw it on screen if that portion is visible.IMO, until Marinetti supports auto-tuning (retrieving network data only asfast the application can read it), one would be very disappointed with theresults of this. You might get decent performance if using an emulated GSrunning at 50 mHz. Since I don't have access to one, I don't know how itwould compare.Geoff                      (SISGEOFF, 2832, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   But if you went ahead and prefetched all the graphics, it could be"""""   more or less acceptable. Or fetch them one at a time, like:fetch main pagerender itfetch first graphicrender itfetch next graphicrender itetc.This would probably be reasonably acceptable. For that matter, you couldeasily enough have it a user preference how it was done.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2833, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   If you aren't too concerned about making the page look just like"""""   Netscape or Internet Explorer, you could always download all theimages and convert them in the background and make the image icons or alttags in the web page you are viewing into links to the decoded images.This way you can have a graphic viewer take over the whole screen to befree to use 320 mode, 640 mode, grayscale or 4, 16, 256 or 3200 colours fordisplaying the image. You could even do a graphic viewer for viewing imageswith a Second Sight card.Another idea would be to make it so that clicking the icon or alt tag ofthe image will start the download and decode process rather than havingthem downloading in the background which might bog down slower machines.You could even put in a menu item to rerender the web page after you'vedownloaded and decoded the images so that it looks more Netscape orInternet Explorer like.Just a few more thoughts to throw into the pot. :-) Jeff Blakeney Dean of the Apple II University in A2Pro                      (JBLAKENEY, 2835, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   This is basically how SIS 1.1 does it (once TCP/IP works). A third"""""   party viewer such as a NDA could then be used to view downloadedgraphics. It would be relatively trivial to patch SIS so the currentdirectory gets updated to the NDA via an IPC call. This provides a higheruser satisfaction to find where the graphic was stored on the hard drive toview the graphic without hunting all over for it. This is not as nice as abuilt in viewer, though.Geoff                      (SISGEOFF, 2837, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   What I'd do is have code that converted the graphics into a format"""""   that would be able to fit into the page itself, with a specialclick (like Option-click) to bring up a full-screen dedicated view to givea better look at the picture, using more colors or whatever.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2836, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   In theory, using Babelfish, it'd be relatively trivial to build-in"""""   a graphic viewer.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2839, GO COM A2PRO)MAIL MUSINGS   I am working on some email routines and have a pair of""""""""""""   questions.I know that once I'm logged in to the pop server, STAT will give me a countof all of the messages.Question 1: How do I know if a message has been previously read or not?Question 2: How can I get the length of any individual message on theserver?There'll be more to come. . . :)- Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution                      (RSUENAGA, 2784, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   "Question 1: How do I know if a message has been previously read or"""""    not?"There isn't supposed to be an easy way. A POP3 client is supposed to RETRthe messages and then DELE them. All messages on a POP3 server would thenbe new messages. In Delphi's case, after you close your connection, theserver will delete any messages you've RETR'd, even if you don't DELE them.You could use the RSET command after you've finished retrieving messages tomake sure they stay on the server, but Delphi probably deletes mail after acertain number of days (30? 60?) anyway.So, considering all this, there are two ways to leave messages on theserver and be able to tell what has been read.Method 1. Use the LAST command.LAST tells you the highest message number that was read. From RFC 1460:   The POP3 server issues a positive response with a line   containing the highest message number which accessed.   Zero is returned in case no message in the maildrop has   been accessed during previous transactions. A client   may thereafter infer that messages, if any, numbered   greater than the response to the LAST command are   messages not yet accessed by the client.That was easy. What's the catch? There's two. One, Delphi will delete anyretrieved messages, so the LAST command will always return 0. If you useRSET to keep the mail, you reset the message read counter, and LAST willagain return 0. Other POP3 servers may not automatically delete readmessages (my ISP's server doesn't), so you may have better luck. Whichbrings us to the second catch. The POP3 RFCs have been revised a few times,and the LAST command no longer exists. So, some servers have itimplemented, while others don't. If it's there, great, if not, it isn'tsupposed to be. My ISP's POP3 server implements it, while yours may not. Ifit does work, it makes it easy for the client, since the read status ismaintained by the server.Method 2. The "proper" way: the UIDL command.UIDL returns a unique id for the message number specified, or for allmessages if no number was specified. Keep track of these UIDLs in a file,and compare them every time you check for new messages. If a UIDL in yourfile matches a UIDL for a message on the server, you've already read it. Abit more work for you, but it can be done.Okay, so there's a catch here, too. The UIDL command is an optional commandas specified in the RFC, so once again, your POP3 server may or may notimplement it. On the bright side, most servers have it, so it's your bestbet.My recommendation: If possible, don't keep messages on the POP3 server, andyou won't have to worry about it."Question 2: How can I get the length of any individual message on the server?"Try the LIST command. Without a message number, it will give this type ofresult:LIST+OK 2 messages1 18402 1950If you specify a message number, it will give you the message size:LIST 1+OK 1 1840Hope this helps.Later,- Aaron                       (APULVER, 2785, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Delphi doesn't delete messages if you don't use the DELE command."""""   However, Delphi does move them out of the NEWMAIL folder, sothey're no longer retrievable via POP3. If you do use the DELE command, themessage gets nuked. If you don't use it, then it's taking up space in yourworkspace on Delphi.I would not survive if my mail servers didn't support UIDL (all of mine do- I have my Delphi mail forwarded elsewhere for that reason). The mainreason I use it is that I check my mail from a variety of places (fromwork, from a laptop while on the road, etc), but I want a complete databaseof my mail on my desktop machine at home. So the desktop machine deleteseverything when it downloads the mail, all of the others are set up toleave it on the server.Dave Miller                      (JUSTDAVE, 2791, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   So I guess that given these issues, I guess here are the"""""   possibilities:(1) have the email program delete the mail immediately after it picks it    up;(2) have the email program use UIDL to determine what's been read and    what hasn't, knowing that it may not work in some cases;(3) have the email program always RSET after it's done.(3) is totally impractical.  I'm more apt to do (1) because it's easier andless to configure, however I'd be more apt to do (2) if it were standard,but since it's not. . . . any comments? Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor and Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Boycott Alamo!  Please don't quote without permission. Delivered by Spectrum 2.2 and Crock O' Gold 3.0!                      (RSUENAGA, 2792, GO COM A2PRO)HOW CLOSE TO ANSI C IS ORCA/C?   ORCA/C is mostly ANSI C compliant (like""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   99.5%). I've never heard of that other Cyou mentioned, so can't say anything there.There's never been a C++ for the Apple II. I personally would like to haveone just because I use C++ at work and am getting used to that programmingstyle.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2790, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   Barring a bug here and there, and there are no real show-stoppers I"""""   know of, the ORCA/C compiler is fully ANSI C compliant. Thelibraries are not; there are a couple of odd-balls that are missing.(Multibyte character support comes to mind, but then, there is no multibytecharacter support anywhere on the Apple IIGS.)There are some concessions to modern practice. ORCA/C does allow //comments, for example, even though no ANSI C compliant compiler is allowedto do so. In all cases like this one, ORCA/C provides pragmas that allowyou to enable and disable the options. With all of them turned off, thecompiler is fully compliant.As a point of fact, ORCA/C is actually _more_ picky about the ANSI Cstandard than most of the supposedly compliant compilers from the bigcompanies. One of the members of the ANSI C standards committee used tobeat on me when I strayed, and he also used ORCA/C to find faultyalmost-compliant programs because ORCA/C would not allow many of thenon-ANSI C "features", like // comments, that other compilers did allow,even though they were not supposed to. :)Mike Westerfield                      (BYTEWORKS, 2798, GO COM A2PRO)<<<<<   In defense of "//" comments (and thank you again for adding support"""""   for those, BTW :), most compilers that I use these days have anoption for whether or not to allow them.I'd gotten so used to them, using CodeWarrior and other compilers onvarious platforms, that not having them in ORCA/C had become a huge pain inthe neck -- especially after writing code for hours and hours thenrealizing all my comments were incompatible. :)---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2801, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   In further defense of "//" comments, BCPL and B (precursors to C)"""""   used "//" comments (or so I've been told).The chances for a IIgs C++ compiler are pretty slim, but Orca/Pascalsupports Object Pascal, which has classes (objects) and inheritance.Kelvin                         (KWS, 2802, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   "Barring a bug here and there, and there are no real show-stoppers"""""    I know of, the ORCA/C compiler is fully ANSI C compliant. The         libraries are not; there are a couple of odd-balls that are         missing."The one that I've always missed is strftime(). I've often thought that insome ways it seemed a strange omission. As you mentioned, omitting widecharacter support I can understand. But there didn't seem to be any obviousproblem with strftime, and it does make the programmer's life easier!"ORCA/C does allow // comments, for example, even though no ANSI C compliant compiler is allowed to do so."As others have said - thank you again for bending your principles andadding them! As the saying goes, "There's an exception to every rule", andsometimes that's a _good_ thing!--Peter Watson-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?-- Impossible! ;-)                     (PETERWATSON, 2803, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   strftime() really requires that the system supports time zones. The"""""   IIgs didn't have any kind of time zone support until I wrote atoolbox to handle this. The toolset is far from complete to supporteverything strftime() does, but it would be cool if that capability getsadded. The source code comes with the toolset for any budding programmersto add to its capability.Geoff                      (SISGEOFF, 2804, GO COM A2PRO)RESEARCHING THE IIGS   I'm working on my Term Paper (Subject:""""""""""""""""""""   Implementation of Multiple Disk Filing Systems in aSingle Operating System using GS/OS FSTs as an example), and have thefollowing question, for anyone who might be able to answer it:When discussing file structure, there are two considerations as Iunderstand it: The internal file structure itself, and how the data isactually encoded on the disk media.My question is: Do the FSTs have anything to do with the encoding scheme,or are they strictly related to the internal file structure?I have most of the IIGS references, so a pointer to the appropriate pagewould be very helpful, if that's the easiest way to answer.Thanks ever so much.__________  | homas                      (TCOMPTER, 2819, GO COM A2PRO)>>>>>   All the FSTs concern themselves with is the arrangement of"""""   directory and file data on the disk. The physical encoding of thebytes on the disk is handled by the device driver for the drive inquestion.---Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net                       (SHEPPY, 2820, GO COM A2PRO)[EOA][POP]------------------------------              PERSPECTIVE POSITIVE |-----------------------------------RYAN'S POINT OF VIEW""""""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W, L.S.W.        [rsuenaga@sheppyware.net]                                   Y][K                                   ~~~~     As the year 2000 approaches, our Apple IIs have served us longer thanany could've imagined.  Even the venerable IIgs, born in 1986, qualifies asa computer relic.  Still, here we are--using TrueType fonts, printing onlaser and inkjet printers, doing optical character recognition, surfing theInternet, exploring the wonders of TCP/IP, or just keeping out Christmascard lists and checking account statements up to date.     While there are fewer Apple II supporters than ever, we're certainlynowhere near being out of ideas on how to use them, or ways to have funwith them.  There are things that the Apple II can't do, that sentence hasto be ended optimistically, as always, with the word "yet."     And the Apple II lives on--even with virtually no new hardware andsoftware produced for it, it continues on.  I use mine daily as docountless others.  And I use mine virtually, through emulation--the Apple][ of tomorrow--using both _Bernie_ and _Ernie_.     With one eye toward the past, and the other toward the future, we haveto say that disaster or not, the Apple ][, just as it's been in the 70's,80's, and 90's, will still be here in the 00's, however you pronounce it.               :: DISCUSSED ON DELPHI :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::               :                                                    :               :      No one watches until you make a mistake.      :               :                                                    :               :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LUMITECH ::::::[EOA][INN]------------------------------                     EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp!   The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month in"""""""""""""""   the Database of the II Scribe Forum on the Delphi onlineservice (GO CUS 11).This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes.  Apple II Forever!     * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 1999 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W.  All       rights reserved.     * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to       thelamp@sheppyware.net     * Back issues of The Lamp! are available in the II Scribe Forum on       Delphi as well as The Lamp! Home Page,       http://lamp.sheppyware.net.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed herein are those of  the individual authors, and do  notnecessarily  represent  the  opinions   of  the  Delphi  Online   Services,Syndicomm, Inc.,  or  Ryan M.  Suenaga.     Forum  messages  are  reprintedverbatim and  are included  in this  publication with  permission from  theindividual authors.   Delphi Online Services,  Syndicomm, Inc. and  Ryan M.Suenaga  do not guarantee  the accuracy or  suitability of any  informationincluded herein.  We reserve the right to edit all letters and copy.Material published  in  this  edition  may not  be  reprinted  without  theexpressed  written consent  of the  publisher.   Registered  computer  usergroups, not  for profit  publications ,  and other  interested parties  maywrite the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[EOF]
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