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An Onipa'a Software Production        Vol. 3, No. 9 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Mail, Editor..............................lyle837@FoxValley.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                            TABLE OF CONTENTS                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                            September 15, 2000HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER     Old Things Become New--------------------------------------------[OPN]THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW     First in a Series------------------------------------------------[LYN]"TIME IN A BOTTLE" VISITED     An Awesome Software Collection-----------------------------------[FTE]A2 DISTILLATIONS     Silvern Castle v5.1 Coming---------------------------------------[SCC]     Silvern Castle Freeware Announcement-----------------------------[SCF]     Forwarding Delphi Mail-------------------------------------------[FDM]     Time in a Bottle CD Collection - A2 Software on Your Shelf-------[TIB]     The Compleat Lamp! CD-ROM----------------------------------------[TCL]     Speccie's Home Page Switched-------------------------------------[SHP]     Sweet16 1.5.1 Released-------------------------------------------[SSR]     ImageMaker 2.0 Released------------------------------------------[IMR]     GShisen 1.2.1 in Database----------------------------------------[GID]     Watch for the CD-ROM "DeluxeWare"--------------------------------[WFL]     Impressive List of Programs for use With Marinetti---------------[ILP]     A Source for Cables----------------------------------------------[SFC]     First eBay Auction for Support of A2Central----------------------[FAS]     Byte Works CD... Would You Buy it?-------------------------------[BWC]     A Faster CD-ROM Drive for the Apple II---------------------------[FCD]     Hard Drive Problems----------------------------------------------[HDP]     A2Central.com Under Construction... Relax...---------------------[UCR]     Does This Make Me a Pirate?--------------------------------------[MMP]     Mystery Solved - The LANceGS Ethernet Card-----------------------[LEC]     What is an Ethernet Card Good For?-------------------------------[ECF]     Reading PC Generated ISO9660 CD on the Apple IIgs----------------[RIC]     Delphi Via Web Side With The Apple II----------------------------[DVW]A2P DISTILLATIONS     Apple's Pascal 1.3 Manual Still Available------------------------[APM]     Apple II History - GEOS------------------------------------------[AHG]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR     An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE]KFEST 2001     Keep it in Mind--------------------------------------------------[KFT]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].[OPN]-------------------------------         HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |------------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>                           Old Things Become New                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     Looking down from High Above The Rock River you notice that some ofthe bright shiny cars are really older cars that have been restored totheir original condition... or even enhanced so they look even more glitzy,or do more than when they were new.  The proud owners have "Made The OldNew."     So it is with the various CD collections of software for the Apple IIcomputers.  The old, proven software has been collected and made availablein a compact, convenient form for our use.                                [*] [*] [*][EOA][LYN]------------------------------        THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW |-----------------------------------FIRST IN A SERIES"""""""""""""""""by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W, L.S.W.        [rsuenaga@sheppyware.net]                          APPLE IIC MODEM CABLES                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     Perhaps the best way to stay up to date with your Apple II computer isto get online, meaning onto the Internet and onto Delphi and many of theApple II areas on the World Wide Web.  Excepting the esoteric and eccentric(including myself) who find ::ahem:: creative ways to use the Apple II forcommunications, the way to get online is to hook up a modem.  While a fewinternal modems for the Apple II exist (none sold new), it's generallyaccepted that an external modem is the way to go for Apple II use.  Manydifferent brands and models of external modems exist--we won't get intocomparing or recommending these (although if you must ask, my favorite isthe 3Com/USR Courier V.Everything).  What we will do, instead, is look atsome of the other issues around connecting a modem to an Apple II (in thisarticle, the Apple IIc), primarily addressing cables.     First off, let's remember something simple: the maximum speed of theserial port on the Apple IIc is 19200 baud.  There is, then, no need for amodem faster than 14400 baud--perhaps even slower, which we will addressshortly--for use with these computers.  Of course, if someone gives you a28800, 33600, or 57600 modem, don't look a gift horse in the mouth--justrealize that at most, your serial port will top out at 19200, so there isvery little extra speed to squeeze out of a faster modem.THE PINOUTS   The Apple IIc uses a DIN 5 connector on its serial ports."""""""""""   Therefore, any cable you attach to it must have a male DIN 5connector.     Each of the five pins on the Apple IIc serial port has a differentelectrical signal associated with it.  As per Apple Computer, Inc.'s TechInfo Library, the signals are as follows:1-----Data Terminal Ready (DTR)2-----Transmit Data (TXD)3-----Signal Ground (GND)4-----Receive Data (RXD)5-----Data Set Ready (DSR)     Looking at the female plug on the rear of the IIc, the pins are asfollows;(ASCII art follows, for the visually impaired)   ----v---- /          \/            \| 5         1 || o 4     2 o |\   o  3  o  /  \    o    /    --------(End ASCII art)     In a nutshell, pins two and four actually do the moving of data; pinthree provides ground, and pins one and five do "handshaking"--making surethat the computers are talking to each other properly and not missing any(or many) characters.  Handshaking is a way of saying, "Hey, you're going alittle too quickly for me--can you stop for a minute?"  Once the computerthat requested the slow down is ready again, it sends another signalsaying, "Okay, I'm ready now, go ahead."  There are many different ways todo handshaking, both in hardware and software.  At speeds exceeding 9600baud, hardware handshaking--which is faster--is the preferred method;however, due to the few signals available at its port for handshaking(there are several other handshaking signals available on both the AppleIIgs and Super Serial Card commonly used for telecommunications on theApple IIe), the Apple IIc does not appear to be able to reliablycommunicate at 19200.  It does work fine at 9600 baud.     Virtually every external modem on the market that does not have abuilt-in cable (and I'm not very fond of such modems, because I want tohave the option of testing and replacing the cable if I'm havingdifficulty) has a female DB 25 connector to attach a serial cable to.Therefore, the other end of your Apple IIc modem cable needs to have a maleDB 25 connector.     Like the IIc's DIN 5 port, the pins on the DB 25 have signalsassociated with them.  Since there are more pins on a DB 25 connector thana DIN 5 connector, there are, as you would expect, more signals.  While weare not going to detail every signal on the port, we will highlight some ofthe more important ones. 2-----Transmit Data (TXD) 3-----Receive Data (RXD) 4-----Ready To Send (RTS) 5-----Clear To Send (CTS) 6-----Data Set Ready (DTS) 7-----Signal Ground (GND) 8-----Data Carrier Detect (DCD)20-----Data Terminal Ready (DTR)     Looking at the female connector on the modem, the pins are as follows:(ASCII art follows, for the visually impaired) 13 12 11 10  9  8  7  6  5  4  3  2  1 _______________________________________\ o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o / \ o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o /   ----------------------------------  25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14(End ASCII art)THE CONNECTIONS   So, to connect these two devices, computer serial port to"""""""""""""""   modem, a fairly simple cable is needed.  The three basicsignals--GND, TXD, and RXD--are where we start.     Since we are communicating with a modem device, we know all we have todo is match up the appropriate signals on the serial port--GND to GND, TXDto TXD, and RXD to RXD.  So, using a male DIN 5 plug and a male DB25connector, our cable starts very simply:Male DIN 5                      Male DB25  Signal    1                                       DTR    2<-----------------------------> 2      TXD    3<-----------------------------> 7      GND    4<-----------------------------> 3      RXD    5                                       DSR     That was simple.  Now that that's done, let's connect the other pinsfor handshaking.  While we could get into a largely technical discussionabout what all of these pins mean and the importance of connecting them,since this is really "The Least You Need To Know", let's just hook up whatwe need to hook up, like so:Male DIN 5                      Male DB25  Signal                    +--------------> 4      RTS    1<-----------------------------> 20     DTR    2<-----------------------------> 2      TXD    3<-----------------------------> 7      GND    4<-----------------------------> 3      RXD    5<-----------------------------> 6      DSR     In this example, pins four and twenty on the DB25 male are shortedtogether and connected to pin one on our DIN 5 connector.THE PARTS   You can obtain every single part (as well as tool) you need for"""""""""   this cable at Radio Shack or, usually more cheaply, at a localelectronics store.     The parts you need:     DB 25 male solder cup connector     DB 25 hood     DIN 5 male connector (usually comes with hood)     wire (I usually use Category 5 Ethernet cable, but that's just becauseI have lots of that lying around my computer dungeon)     The tools you need:     Soldering iron     Solder     ScrewdriversTHE END?   Hopefully not.  As we continue our look at "The Least You Need""""""""   To Know" we will continue to discuss different types of projectsyou can do to keep your Apple II alive.[EOA][FTE]------------------------------        "Time in a Bottle" Visited |-----------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson, Editor, _The Lamp!_ , <lyle@FoxValley.net>Time in a Bottle is an awesome collection of software for the Apple IIcomputers.  Most of the GEnie A2 Library on two CD's.  Sitting on a shelfnear your Apple II.The CD's are in HFS format so you will need to use a IIgs, a Mac, or a PCwith special utilities to open or copy the files.To you use this collection with your IIgs you will need a CD-ROM drive.One source would be:     Alltech Electronics - 760-724-2404 - fax 760-724-8808     2618 Temple Heights, Oceanside, CA 92056I bought and installed this SCSI drive:     External 4x SCSI CD-ROM (Matsushita/Apple CD 600)There are multiple ways to find the file you need.  The one I especiallyliked was the AllFiles.SHK found on each of the two CD's.  When this fileis unshrunk you have a huge Appleworks Database which includes all thefiles available.  Use the search function to locate a file or group offiles to meet your needs.Once you have your computer equipped with a CD-ROM drive you will want tocheck on other CD's that are available for your Apple II.  Ken Gagne haswritten a great summery of what is available.  You can access it at thisURL:    http://www.a2central.com/features/2000-08/26-cdrom/[EOA]ASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA]DISTILLATIONS from Delphi A2""""""""""""""""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[SCC]SILVERN CASTLE v5.1 COMING""""""""""""""""""""""""""Version v5.1 is now finished and should be showing up for download anytimesoon!Bugs fixed:-Using the wrong key on a locked door when you are carrying more than 8 keys nowworks correctly.-Reverting party slaughter on levels 1-2 now works properly. Since reverting on these levels was without penalty it used the same flag value as deleting the saved game-now there is a 1 year penalty to avoid this.-Level 1 chests can now never be empty or always unlocked.-Scenario descriptions updated to clear-up confusion about the different scenarios.Changed:-Guild create character respects coinage preference when assigning initial money.-The missing message "<TAB>-next" is now shown at the store. Also, now this command is only accepted when you actually have a second group of items (it beeps otherwise).New:-You can scroll through the store faster with the open-apple-jump command. Pressing OA and a number key jumps in large increments. Thanks to Bruce Baker for suggesting this!-Activating teleporter traps now are more noticeable-they display "ZOOM" on the screen.Jeff Fink(FINKSTERJ, 33027, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Just as v5.1 was going out the door, I found a last minute bug:Entering the Guild when no characters exist loops forever. This has beenaround since v4.0.You can work around it by creating a dummy character in  any pre-v4.0release, then updating to v5.0 until the v5.1 release, which fixes this,hits the A2 sites.(FINKSTERJ, 33079, GO COM A2)[EOA][SCF]SILVERN CASTLE FREEWARE ANNOUNCEMENT""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Important Freeware Announcement:As of v5.1, I'm changing the status of Silvern Castle to a freewareproduct.Since the first release in July 1999, I have only received 9 paidregistrations, and none since Y2K. Therefore, Silvern Castle will no longerhave a shareware status.However, to get a unique registration serial number and password to unlockall features of Silvern Castle, and to access the additional scenarios, Imust insist you request one by email. In this way, I can notify those whoregister with future update releases, and provide some limited support andhelp. By the way, I'll certainly accept the original $15 fee, or anydonation, from anyone who wishes to support my programming efforts.By requesting a >free< registration number, you will be sent instructionson how to get the talisman from Ragon's Lab (you cannot complete the firstscenario without it), and you will be able to access future scenarios(including the additional second and third ones that have already beenreleased). Also, by registering, the shareware patrols on the deeperlevels, as well as most of the annoying ambushes will no longer menace yourparty.I hope no one who paid the shareware fee is upset by this announcement. Ifit wasn't for your support I wouldn't have released the 7 updates and 2additional scenarios.What I wish to accomplish by changing Silvern Castle to freeware status isto increase the user base. If I don't get an additional viable support basewho appreciates my work, I will be left without any incentive to continuefurther releases.At this point, Silvern Castle rests in the hands of the A2 community.Please support those who continue to support the A2.II Infinitum,Jeff Fink {<mailto:finkjsc@yahoo.com> finkjsc@yahoo.com}(FINKSTERJ, 33028, GO COM A2)[EOA][FDM]FORWARDING DELPHI MAIL""""""""""""""""""""""> You can also forward your (Delphi) mail from here elsewhere...For those of us with short memory retention, would you explain how to setit up to forward? (again) Thanks.Cindy(CINDYADAMS, 32673, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""From the mail page, simply enter:SET FORWARD IN%"""myemail@whereiwantmailsentto.com""" Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 32676, GO COM A2)[EOA][TIB]TIME IN A BOTTLE CD COLLECTION - THE GEnie A2 SOFTWARE ON YOUR SHELF"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ++++ ANNOUNCING ++++Juiced.GS proudly presents ...The Time in a Bottle CD Collection, a two-disc compilation based on theSyndicomm Genie Apple II Roundtable and Apple II Programmers Roundtablelibraries.Genie, the center of the Apple II universe for many years, finally shutdown in early 1999. But the thousands of library files -- almost 15,000 inall -- were preserved by Syndicomm and are now available on CD-ROM to theApple II community exclusively through Juiced.GS.The files were sorted, organized and prepared for distribution by RyanSuenaga, a longtime staffer in Syndicomm forums and a leader in the AppleII community. He unveiled the CD project at KFest 2000 and made itavailable to attendees during the KFest Vendor Fair.Now, the set of two labeled CDs are available for purchase (in a jewelcase!) for the rest of the Apple II world. Packed onto the CDs are morethan 1.1 gigabytes of public domain, freeware, shareware andreclassified/freely distributable commercial software. The CDs are in HFSformat, and all library file descriptions remain intact. In addition tosoftware files are the many forum archives preserved through the years.Time in a Bottle can be purchased from Juiced.GS for $50, which includesshipping to anywhere in the world.To order, send check or money order in U.S. funds to: Max Jones JuicedGS 2217 Lakeview Drive Sullivan, IN 47882Credit card orders are also accepted at the Juiced.GS Online OrderProcessing Site at:http://order.kagi.com/?2ZMApple II Forever!!  -- Max Jones  -- Juiced.GS  -- http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs(JUICEDGS, 32731, GO COM A2)[EOA][TCL]THE COMPLEAT LAMP! CD-ROM""""""""""""""""""""""""" ++++ ANNOUNCING ++++Juiced.GS proudly presents ...The Compleat Lamp! -- a current, up-to-date CD-ROM collection of everyissue of GenieLamp A2, GenieLamp A2Pro and The Lamp! in every format it'sever been done in. Comes in a jewel case, labeled and in HFS format.The Compleat Lamp can be purchased from Juiced.GS for $15, which includesshipping to anywhere in the world.To order, send check or money order in U.S. funds to: Max Jones JuicedGS 2217 Lakeview Drive Sullivan, IN 47882Credit card orders are also accepted at the Juiced.GS Online OrderProcessing Site at:http://order.kagi.com/?2ZMApple II Forever!!  -- Max Jones  -- Juiced.GS  -- http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs(JUICEDGS, 32732, GO COM A2)[EOA][SHP]SPECCIE'S HOME PAGE SWITCHED""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Spectrum, COG and SAM support~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please note that I have switched my home pages to:   <http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/>This site has always been active, but is now my main and only home pages.The A2 WebRing now points to that address and there is no mirroring to theCompuserve US site.In due course I shall be shutting down my Compuserve account as I no longerhave any need of it. There is just no A2 traffic left on CIS to worry aboutanymore, so I can save the monthly standing charge to keep the account... Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.3 & Crock O' Gold 3.3 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 Home Pages: http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/(EWANNOP, 32913, GO COM A2)[EOA][SSR]Sweet16 1.5.1 RELEASED""""""""""""""""""""""I have just released Sweet16 1.5.1.Changes in this version:1. The "magic" and "creator" fields of Universal Disk Image files are now   understood in both big and little endian formats, since some software   writes them backward.2. The "data length" field of Universal Disk Image files is now filled out   correctly; current software generally ignores this field, but at least   now it's correct.3. Control-Apple-F12 will reset the Apple IIgs.4. The ROM file's name can be any of "Apple2GS.ROM", "APPLE2GS.ROM",   "Apple2GS.ROM2", or "APPLE2GS.ROM2".5. You can now specify a port number when connecting with   serial-via-network by adding a comma and the port number to the dial   string. For example: "ATDT   {<http://www.apple.com,80&quot;> www.apple.com,80"} to connect to port   80 at {<http://www.apple.com.> www.apple.com.}6. Fixed the last known bug in the Mount Physical Disks code; that window   should no longer crash under any circumstances.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32985, GO COM A2)[EOA][IMR]ImageMaker 2.0 RELEASED"""""""""""""""""""""""I've released ImageMaker 2.0. ImageMaker, briefly, is a utility forcreating disk image files for use in emulation software, or for makingarchives of your disks. It supports Universal Disk Image (2img), DiskCopy4.2, DiskCopy 6, and raw formats.Changes in the new version:1. Added support for batch mode, in which you can make lots of images   quickly from the same drive. After each image is made, the disk is   ejected and you're asked for another disk.2. Now uses the DiskCopy creator code for DiskCopy 4.2 and DiskCopy 6   images.3. Now supports 400 KB and 720 KB sizes for DiskCopy 4.2 images.4. Plays the Bad Disk sound if an I/O error occurs, and Task Completed when   imaging finishes (except in batch mode).5. Added the option to ignore bad blocks, and to add Universal Disk Image   files a list of the bad blocks.6. Also, AppleShare volumes are no longer listed in the disk picker, since   you can't make images of them anyway.ImageMaker is shareware and costs $5. You can get more information anddownload the software at<http://www.sheppyware.net/products/a2/imagemaker>.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 33107, GO COM A2)[EOA][GID]GShisen 1.2.1 IN DATABASE""""""""""""""""""""""""" Name: GSHISEN2K.BXY (Entertainment Software) Date: 9-SEP-2000 04:13   By: KWS Size: 34688GShisen 1.2.1 (aka 2000). A popular strategy/puzzle game semi-similar tomah jong. This version fixes a bug in the "New Game By ID" menu item, and abug where selecting a new tile set doesn't redraw the tiles properly.Please contact the author before redistributing.(TONYW1, 32996, GO COM A2)[EOA][WFL]WATCH FOR THE CD-ROM "DeluxeWare""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Now it can be told...A few weeks back, I made mention of a CD-ROM from France that will soon beavailable from Shareware Solutions II. The name of the CD is DeluxeWare,named by and after its creators. So, their web site might be gone, butBrutal Deluxe's legacy will live on...on CD-ROM!Once available, a 2nd bonus CD - entitled "Le CD-ROM" - will be includedfree-of-charge. Created by Brutal Deluxe for the French Apple IIGS UserGroup, Le CD-ROM almost defies description. For the most part, it's reallyintended to be viewed on a Mac or PC, as it contains QuickTime movies thatare Apple II related.What's prevented me from making those 2 CDs available is that I feel it'sabsolutely necessary for me to catalog DeluxeWare. And, with 600 or moremegabytes of Apple II/IIGS software on it, that's time consuming.Once released, the cost will be $25 for the 2 CD package, and you'll beable to order it via credit card from the SSII Kagi site. I'll let you allknow when.And no, that's not the incredible earth-shaking announcement thatShareware Solutions II has planned for the near future ;-)Joe Kohnhttp://users.foxvalley.net/~joko(JOE_KOHN, 33054, GO COM A2)[EOA][ILP]IMPRESSIVE LIST OF PROGRAMS FOR USE WITH MARINETTI""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""What programs are there for TCP/IP and the IIGs?TCP/IP Stack:------------         Title: Marinetti       Version: v2.0.1        Author: Richard BennettAvailable from: Marinetti Web Page                http://www.apple2.org/marinetti/Web browsers:------------         Title: Arachnid preview release 2 by Kim Howe       Version: Preview release 2        Author: Kim HoweAvailable from: Kim Howe's Web Site                http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/arachnid/index.html         Title: Spectrum Internet Suite (aka SIS)       Version: v1.1 (v1.1.1 is in the works)        Author: Geoff WeissAvailable from: My eSource Web Site      http://www.myesource.com/sevenhills/applesoftware/sis/sis.htmE-mail:------         Title: Spectrum Automated Mailer (aka SAM)       Version: v1.2        Author: Ewen WannopAvailable from: Shareware Solutions II                http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko/sam.htmlFTP:---         Title: gwftp       Version: v1.1b2        Author: Geoff WeissAvailable from: Delphi's A2 Forum File Library                Shareware Solutions II                   http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/                Juiced.GS                   http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/Telnet:------         Title: Telnet       Version: v1.0        Author: Richard BennettAvailable from: Marinetti Home Page                http://www.apple2.org/marinetti/                   (included in the Marinetti archive)         Title: Spectrum       Version: v2.3 (v2.2 was the first Marinetti aware version)        Author: Ewen WannopAvailable from: My eSource Web Site      http://www.myesource.com/sevenhills/applesoftware/iigs/sp.htmInstant Chat:------------         Title: gsAIM (AOL Instant Messenger client)       Version: v1.1        Author: Eric "Sheppy" ShepherdAvailable from: Sheppyware Web Site                http://www.sheppyware.net/products/a2/gsaim/Utilities:---------         Title: finger, ping and whois       Version: I don't think they have versions        Author: Geoff WeissAvailable from: Included with gwftp and are shell based utilities                Delphi's A2 Forum Library                Shareware Solutions II                   http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/                Juiced.GS                   http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/         Title: TimeZone CDEV and Tool       Version: v1.0.3        Author: Geoff WeissAvailable from: Delphi's A2 Forum Library                Shareware Solutions II                   http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/                Juiced.GS                   http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/         Title: Hash Tool       Version: v1.0        Author: Geoff WeissAvailable from: Delphi's A2 Forum Library                Shareware Solutions II                   http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/                Juiced.GS                   http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/Did I miss anything? :-)There is also still more internet software in the works that haven't beenreleased yet. :-) Jeff Blakeney Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro forum(JBLAKENEY, 33126, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Title: TimeZone CDEV and Tool> Title: Hash ToolThese tools do not require Marinetti at all. They were developed to be usedfor Marinetti-based applications, but they can be used by applicationswhich do not use Marinetti at all.Geoff(SISGEOFF, 33134, GO COM A2)[EOA][SFC]A SOURCE FOR CABLES"""""""""""""""""""I came across an interesting catalog at the college I work at thatapparently is a source of cables and supplies, including cables for, asthey list on a page heading, the IIGS, and the Apple IIC/IIE. The companyis called A-1 Net, Inc. and their prices are very reasonable--in fact theyseem fairly inexpensive (yes, I know--you get what you pay for. :) )I thought I'd offer their name, webpage and phone number as a source forreference: Telephone: 909-595-0450 and webpage is at:http://www.a1netusa.com You can find their entire catalog online, and ifyou have a graphics web browser, you can find the Apple II stuff on page11. They claim no minimum order size and no handling fee.Some of the cables noted are DB25 serial to IWII, //c to modem, //c toDB25 printer, and even an IBM PC to IW.later.......Howard(HKATZ, 33100, GO COM A2)[EOA][FAS]FIRST eBay AUCTION FOR SUPPORT OF A2Central"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A2Central.com's first eBay auction to attempt to raise funds for futuredevelopment has begun!We're auctioning off a never-used, still-in-shrinkwrap RamWorks III cardfor the Apple //e. Add 1 MB of RAM to your //e!Visit{<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=441642199>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441642199} to bid.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 33146, GO COM A2)[EOA][BWC]BYTE WORKS CD... WOULD YOU BUY IT?""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Hi all,I was recently asked about the possibility of putting all of the ByteWorks' products onto a collection CD. I have my doubts about whether such athing would sell enough to make it worth doing, but I promised to check.What we're talking about would be a CD with all of the Byte Works programs,but not the APDA programs. A few Byte Works programs would not be includedbecause of contractual arrangements. This includes ORCA/Disassembler,Talking Tools, Ugly Duckling and Design Master. All of the other Byte Worksproducts could be on the CD, both the Apple II and Apple IIGS versions.This includes the ORCA programming languages, the Quick Click productivitysoftware and GSoft BASIC.For a complete list, see{<http://www.byteworks.org.> http://www.byteworks.org.}Most of our documentation was done in Microsoft Word, and could be suppliedin Word format on the CD. Some of the Apple II software was done with somereally old word processors, and I probably can't recover the text inmachine readable format without more work that I am likely to put into thisproject. There is one notable exception: Microsoft Word refuses to read theORCA/C 2.0 documentation. All I have is ASCII. It's possible, but a bit ofwork, to create PDF files.Considering the number of programs involved, the work is not unsubstantial,so I would have to expect a lot of response to justify that effort.I could make printed documentation available as well, but that would cost abit.It's also barely possibly I might collect all of the source and make thatavailable on a separate release. That would require a license, signed inadvance, limiting the orders to those sent by mail.With all of this in mind, if you are interested, please answer thesequestions:1. Is Mac OS HFS OK for the format, or would you need a dual-platform   (Mac/Windows) format?2. What is the best format for the documentation? The reasonably viable   choices are Word, PDF and ASCII.3. Would you want the CD to contain Apple II disk images or simply folders?   If the CD contains disk images, what program should be used? Think about   your answer to #1!4. Would it bother you that the CD was a CD-R and not a mass-produced CD?   (It would be in a nice jewel case with appropriate printed covers.)5. How much would you pay for this product?6. Would you me interested in source code? If so, how much additional would   you pay?Mike Westerfield(BYTEWORKS, 33157, GO COM A2)[EOA][FCD]A FASTER CD_ROM DRIVE FOR THE Apple II""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I'm feeling a need for a faster CD player but I'm not sure which drives arecompatible so I'm hoping that if someone's using a drive faster than a 4xwith a Ramfast SCSI card they would be kind enough to tell me which drivethey're using.Wayne(WAYNEJ, 32700, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Wayne,I'm using a Toshiba 40x CDROM drive with my RamFAST. Works great. TheToshiba model number is XM6401B, I believe.Later,- Aaron(APULVER, 32729, GO COM A2)<<<<<"""""Thanks Aaron, A 40x would do nicely. Hope they're still available new,which would save a lot of searching.Wayne(WAYNEJ, 32733, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Well, www.dirtcheapdrives.com has the XM6401B listed under CD-ROM Drives /SCSI Internal CD ROM Drives, so you should be able to get one (from them orelsewhere) without too much trouble. Put it in a case and you're ready togo.Later,- Aaron(APULVER, 32734, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Yeahbut...at what point does the speed become irrelevant, since you'reconstricted by the SCSI-1 interface and the processing power of themachine?Would that be at 16X? I'm not trying to nitpick, I'm just curious...becausethe bare drive was still $77 and I was thinking if there was an older modelat say 30X, it might be just as fast since perhaps the other 10x werewasted...~TarageEmail: {<mailto:tarage@bellsouth.net> tarage@bellsouth.net}(TARAGE, 32906, GO COM A2)>>>>>Well the RamFAST and Apple HS SCSI can transfer a maximum of 1MB/sec on anApple IIGS, which means anything faster than a 6X-8X is pointless. Ofcourse that is talking about its peak rate, which is rarely ever attained,with the average transfer rate being somewhere between 200-400K/sec (maybenot that exactly, but _well_ below the peak rate). I would say a 4X or 6Xdrive would be optimal, with a 2 or 3X still being quite respectable forthe GS's needs.My main concern when looking for a SCSI CD-ROM is whether it can read mostCDR's (some drives have trouble with certain colors) and if it can playaudio CD's.Mitchell Spector {<mailto:spec@total.net> spec@total.net}(SPECTOR1, 32910, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Yeahbut...at what point does the speed become irrelevant, since you're> constricted by the SCSI-1 interface and the processing power of the> machine? Would that be at 16X?More like a 6x or 8x drive. On the other hand, the access time for a fasterdrive is usually (but not always) less than for a slower drive. For me, theaccess time is more important than the transfer rate. If you just wantsomething faster than a 2x drive, however, 40x is overkill (as I said).In my case, I have other machines I could use the drive in if it didn'twork with the RamFAST, so why buy a slower drive?Later,- Aaron(APULVER, 32926, GO COM A2)[EOA][HDP]HARD DRIVE PROBLEMS"""""""""""""""""""One of my club members (OACC) has a Western Digital Hard Drive. External,model WD40AP. He had not used it for some time and now he can NOT get it toboot up. He has data that he would like to retrieve. Does anyone havesuggestions to get the drive to work again.When trying to boot as the primary drive, SCSI error msg's appear. We triedto boot with 3.5 inch drive disks and that worked. The desktop listedeverything but the Western Digital HD. The light would come on for a bit,but no action on the Desk Top.Any suggestions? We are using an Apple ][GS ROM1 and Apple High Speed SCSIcard.Mack(MACKDUNCAN, 32765, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Turn it upside down, give it a violent shake.It may start up, y'never know. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 32770, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""If the trouble was only with bad blocks, the desktop would ask if you wantto eject or format it. This would point to the drive being stuck. Shakingmight loosen it.Also make sure the 3.5 boot disk has scsi drivers. An error message usuallyhappens if the drivers are missing and the scsi card is detected.I would run the scsi utilities just to see what they say when they look atthe drive. Make sure a write isn't done...- James(JAMES3000, 32773, GO COM A2)[EOA][UCR]A2Central.com UNDER CONSTRUCTION... RELAX...""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""So we're all in "hurry up and wait" mode, fretting over something we allcare about, wishing we had more input into a project that is still indevelopment (and that someone else "owns").Opinions (indirectly sanctioned, yet officially unsolicited) were voiced,tempers were tested and people got miffed.It's a little early for folks to be getting uptight (if any reason existsat all) - nothing tangible has really happened yet that warrants this kindof anxiety or hostility.Let us not forget who is involved here - a group of well-meaning, devotedApple II users - a community of friends.Sorry for the sermon, but I think this thread has just been a tremendouswaste of everybody's emotional energy. Let's cool off.(SFAHEY, 32938, GO COM A2)[EOA][MMP]DOES THIS MAKE ME A PIRATE?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""Hi everyone,I've been using Apple II computers since I was 6 years old. (18 years).I've seen the flamewars regarding piracy and copying, and the Asimovarchive, and I just have to ask a question...Does it make me a pirate......to archive all of my disintegrating 5.25 disks onto my GS's hard drive,to my PC, to a CD-ROM, in order to make sure that I don't lose anythingmore out of my collection?...to buy a copy of a $100.00 (back in the 80s) software package for fiftycents, and then to archive it so I'll have it?...to not throw away copied software that was -given- to me by friendschucking their Apple II equipment, or not throw away copied disks boughtwith an Apple II at a yardsale, and archiving these too?...to enjoy the games that I was given, or bought secondhand (ataforementioned yard sales), nearly twenty years after some of it waswritten?Or... should I just throw everything I've got away, and my Apple IIequipment with it? While I could conceivably write my own games andsoftware, or buy the few new titles that come out, should I adhere to astrict morality and throw out all that which makes my Apple II a viableplatform (for me) just for the sake of overthrowing software piracy?I honestly don't know.I support software authors in the view that copying software is a badthing. But when the authors, software companies, and copies of somesoftware (NOTE: *some* software) is long gone, is it truly a crime to keepit, even though the copy that was received is exactly that, an illegalcopy?I am, and probably always will be, an average Apple II user. I use my copyof AppleWorks 2.0 on a 128k IIe and my IIgs for my personal journal, and towrite poetry and such. I play games like Master of the Lamps becausethey're the only games I really enjoy. I use my bound copy of an archive ofOpenApple and A2Central magazines when I'm stuck with a problem. And I knowenough Applesoft Basic to write whatever simple utility that I think Ineed.But, do I have to give all of this up? Do I have to throw away all of theVCR tapes I've made of movies and TV shows because they're copies and notbought from NBC or CBS or whoever? Do I throw away the audio tapes given tome by friends because I never bought the albums? Do I burn my A2Centralarchive book because I didn't even know about them when they existed? Do Ithrow away my Apple II equipment because I never bought anything from Appleitself in my life?Maybe I'm going to extremes, but as I said, I'm an average user who wouldlike to know what he can do to have his software, and eat it too (so tospeak).(I don't, just for reference, give out my software collection. It is mine,for my use, and for those in my household to use when they are on one of myApple IIs.)Josef(JOSEFCUB, 32306, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""In message 'Does it make me a pirate?' JOSEFCUB said:> Maybe I'm going to extremes, ....Josef,I think that's the operative phrase in your post. I believe that you AREgoing to extremes.Those who publicly and steadfastly oppose Apple II piracy, and are notafraid to speak out about it, are primarily targeting their outrage at afew online archive creators and maintainers whose standards for providingaccess to software titles are lax, if non-existent. They post titles on awhim without regard to the copyright holder's wishes, then claim it's up tothe copyright holder to object rather than their moral responsibility toask permission first. Twisted reasoning, to be sure.The pirates try to shift the argument away from their actions by allegingthat anti-piracy folks are attacking normal Apple II users. That's absurd,but in some cases the claim manages to divert attention from the real issueat hand.You can do your part to uphold reasonable standards of responsibility byacknowledging that online archive creators/maintainers must gain permissionto upload out-of-print commercial software titles before doing so. Is thattoo much to ask? Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs(JUICEDGS, 32311, GO COM A2)<<<<<"""""Max,You are absolutely right... and I appreciate that you explained things in away I could understand. The way the archive maintainers are treating thesoftware /is/ wrong, and claiming the authors/opponents of piracy attacknormal users is wrong. My part is to not support such sites, by visitingtheir site or downloading the software contained there.[Semi-off-topic: Funny thing is, I never actually managed to get intoAsimov, or make sense of it... I guess it's just as well, learning (nowthat I've read a few (hundred) posts here.) about the site containingpirated software. Nor, as a matter of a fact, have I gotten any PC-to-GSutilities to work when I've downloaded GS or 8-bit software... I downloadwith a Mac, to a ProDOS disk, and pray that GS-ShrinkIt! will deal with thefile...]Thank you, Max, for your explanations and for helping me understand theissue more.Take Care!Josef...who would probably jump off of the nearest bridge if he had to burn hisA2Central archive book anyhow. It's also a great historical reference tothe computer politics of the years it covered.:)(JOSEFCUB, 32316, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Does it make me a pirate...> ...to archive all of my disintegrating 5.25 disks onto my GS's hard> drive, to my PC, to a CD-ROM, in order to make sure that I don't lose> anything more out of my collection?Heavens no. The copyright law specifically allows for that sort of copying.("Shrinkwrap" software licenses are nonsense, and despite what thepublishers would have you think, not legally binding at ALL.)> ...to buy a copy of a $100.00 (back in the 80s) software package for> fifty cents, and then to archive it so I'll have it?Perfectly legal, price when new has nothing to do with it.> ...to not throw away copied software that was -given- to me by friends> chucking their Apple II equipment, or not throw away copied disks bought> an Apple II at a yardsale, and archiving these too?Nothing wrong with ARCHIVING, whether you own it legally or not.> ...to enjoy the games that I was given, or bought secondhand (at> aforementioned yard sales), nearly twenty years after some of it was> written?Why on earth would you think THAT would make you a pirate, that's what thestuff is for.> Or... should I just throw everything I've got away, and my Apple II> equipment with it? While I could conceivably write my own games and> software, or buy the few new titles that come out, should I adhere to a> strict morality and throw out all that which makes my Apple II a viable> platform (for me) just for the sake of overthrowing software piracy?Using (and archiving) old software isn't piracy, no one ever said it was.The views of the anti pirate faction are often misrepresented by thepirates.Gary R. Utter(UTTER, 32317, GO COM A2)[EOA][LEC]MYSTERY SOLVED - THE LANceGS ETHERNET CARD""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Many of you have probably forgotten by now, but a few years ago ShawnBehrens posted some pictures and speculation about a "mystery card" thatwas being worked on for the Apple II.Well, looks like it is no longer is a mystery. :) (and it certainly turnedout _not_ to be the hoax many of us, myself included, suspected it mightbe).Look at this photos in Behrens' page, especially not the final picture atthe bottom of the page: {<http://people.delphi.com/sbehrens/mystery.htm>http://people.delphi.com/sbehrens/mystery.htm}Then jump over to Sheppy's A2Central page, at this URL, comparing the firstpicture image shown and draw your own conclusions: {<http://www.a2central.com/site/lancegs/install/index.html>http://www.a2central.com/site/lancegs/install/index.html}Mitchell Spector {<mailto:spec@total.net> spec@total.net}(SPECTOR1, 32492, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Yes. ///SHH Systeme apparently tried two or three times to build anethernet card, each time refining the design somewhat, eventuallyculminating in the LANceGS card that's just starting to trickle into thehands of lustful Apple II users.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32493, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> 20KBytes/sec or more.I seriously doubt the IIgs can ever get to 10 megabits per second. Thebiggest factor is the 1 MHz bus. There is only so much data that you canpass over that.Also, gwftp can probably be optimized for the ethernet card to give itbetter performance. It is optimized for a PPP dial-up connection right now.I remember Fetch being optimized at one point for higher speed networks soI'm sure I can so the same for gwftp. Unlike some people, I still have towait for mine ;)Geoff(SISGEOFF, 32573, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Based on some tests I did opposing the ones Sheppy did, it appears that onsubstantially large files the LANceGS is currently about 4-5x as fast as abest case null modem 56k connect.When the cards actually get to me, I'll do some more formal testing. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 32635, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""And we should point out that gwftp is tuned for dialup, not for ethernet.Once Geoff has his LANceGS card, I expect we'll see a gwftp update toimprove performance.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32647, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> gwftp is tuned for dialup, not for ethernet.Not only should gwftp be tuned for ethernet, but it is possible thatMarinetti needs to be tuned as well. At the very worst speed, gwftp shouldoperate similarly to file transfer via Appleshare.And since we are taking about ethernet tuning, I wonder what the Zipsetting should be for the slot with LANceGS--slow or fast?Geoff(SISGEOFF, 32651, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""According to Joachim, the ZipGS speed setting shouldn't make anydifference, due to the method by which the card's data is fetched by thesoftware through I/O space.On the other hand, he suspects that a TWGS might help slightly.However, again, the main bottleneck right now is the software. He fullybelieves that with proper software, the card should be capable of speedswell in excess of the 100KByte/sec range.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32672, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Thanks Sheppy, I understand a teensy bit better. But I'm still trying tounderstand how a //gs will be recognized on a pc network.But a //gs would be able to use a dsl or cable modem. Would proterm work ifI just put it into online mode? I guess I'd need a shell account to logonto.Bruce(BRB, 32693, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Unless ProTERM is updated to support the LANceGS card, you would have touse Spectrum to access your DSL or cable modem (I've done this myself).Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32701, GO COM A2)[EOA][ECF]WHAT IS AN ETHERNET CARD GOOD FOR?""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Excuse my ignorance but what is an ethernet card for? Would I have any usefor one, owning two GSs and a IIe with no other computers nor any plans toget any other ones?                MT Steve(S_BERNBAUM, 32658, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""There are two things an ethernet card is good for:1. Connecting to other computers in your home.2. Connecting to the Internet using a cable modem or DSL modem (or other   broadband Internet connection).Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32666, GO COM A2)[EOA][RIC]READING PC GENERATED ISO9660 CD ON THE Apple IIgs"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I didn't realize that I could read a PC generated ISO9660 CD on the GS.Won't there be problems with partition size, or is it like a HFS volume asfar as the GS is concerned ?And I assume multi-session is out of the question !thanks,Mark.(LUKE65816, 32892, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""Partition sizes don't particularly matter. To be honest, I'm not sure aboutmultisession discs; I do know that you can read CDs with multiplepartitions though.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 32893, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""The IIgs has been able to read ISO9660 CDs even longer than it has beenable to read HFS partitions.> Won't there be problems with partition size, or is it like a HFS volume> as far as the GS is concerned ?It's like an ISO9660 volume as far as the IIgs is concerned :)Again, however, all the naming conventions must be followed or the IIgswill choke on it. I know in this day and age folks are used to really longfile and volume names with all kinds of characters in them, but if theyexpect the IIgs to read the CD, they have to go back and look at thestandard.> And I assume multi-session is out of the question !I don't know anything 'bout using multi session CDs, sorry. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 32896, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""I tried multisession CDs a while back with no luck on my Apple IIs or anyfriends that tried reading them. My original thought was to usemultisessions as a way of partitioning a CD. I thought it would be a greatto have each of the 6.0.1 installation disks on a separate partition.Instead, since I could only read one session, I produced a few 800k CDsbefore I realized I could make single session partitioned CDs.Wayne(WAYNEJ, 32908, GO COM A2)[EOA][DVW]Delphi VIA WEB SIDE WITH Apple IIgs"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Question from the editor...Is there a way to access the Delphi web side using an Apple II computer?>>>>>"""""Yes. Use Lynx 2.7.1 or later. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 32962, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Yes. Use Lynx 2.7.1 or later.Well... I tried it. After 30 minutes I could not even find a place to logon... So I gave up!Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>Editor, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi(LYLE837, 32965, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""I found it in like twenty seconds :)http://login.prospero.com/dir-login/index.asp?getDPref=0&webtag=APPLE2&lgnDST=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edelphi%2Ecom%2Fapple2%2Fstart%2FJust go to the "enter message board" link and hit it. you get prompted tosign in. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution(RSUENAGA, 32966, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""> Well... I tried it. After 30 minutes I could not even find a place to log> on... So I gave up!Here's how I do it. First I enter the URL{<http://www.delphi.com\apple2\messages.> www.delphi.com\apple2\messages.}Lynx will show a page to select which frame I want. You should seeselections for brandframe, navframe, and lower. Select navframe.The contents of navframe will be displayed by Lynx. Select Login. You'll bebrought to another page.Select the already a user option. There's yet another page.Enter your user name, password, and then hit login. You should see theoriginal page.Select the lower frame. Select the left frame and you're there.Easy as pie eh? And now you know why most Lynx users consider frames a workof the devil.Liam Busey(BUSEY, 32980, GO COM A2)>>>>>"""""I will be trying to make Arachnid able to access Delphi, but it will take alot of work. My guess is text side access will break well before I finish.:(Kim Howekhowe@omninet.net.au(KHOWE1, 32967, GO COM A2)[EOA]DISTILLATIONS from Delphi A2PRO"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[APM]APPLE'S PASCAL 1.3 MANUAL STILL AVAILABLE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Apple's Pascal 1.3 manual was essentially copied, too, and it is definitelyhuge. As it turns out, like all of the Apple II APDA products, it is alsostill available.See {<http://www.byteworks.org> http://www.byteworks.org} for details.Mike Westerfield(BYTEWORKS, 3192, GO COM A2P)[EOA][AHG]APPLE II HISTORY - GEOS"""""""""""""""""""""""Dr. Dobb's programming magazine mentioned the Apple 2GS this month. It wasan historical/political article. If my memory serves me right, they got thecontext of the 2GS wrong. They were talking about graphical user interfaceson top of operating systems and said that the GEOS system came out for the2GS. My recollection is that GEOS was for the Apple IIe. Was there ever a2GS specific version?- James(JAMES3000, 3182, GO COM A2P)>>>>>"""""No, there was never a IIgs specific version of GEOS that I ever heard of.However, not only did that article use the wrong model name for theirexample (and even spelled that wrong, apparently) they also didn't get avery good example of a GUI on top of an operating system. I've been lead tobelieve that GEOS uses its own disk operating system that happens to have avery similar structure (almost exact but adding the ability to use spacesin file names) to ProDOS. So, from what I understand, GEOS is a completeoperating system on its own. Jeff Blakeney Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro forum(JBLAKENEY, 3185, GO COM A2P)>>>>>"""""The PC version of GEOS (although I think it went by a different name) was aGUI shell that sat on top of MS-DOS.GEOS on the Apple II sat on top of a heavily-hacked version of ProDOS.Eric (Sheppy) Shepherdsheppy@sheppyware.nethttp://www.sheppyware.net(SHEPPY, 3187, GO COM A2P)[EOA]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR:"""""""""""""""""""""[LTE]AN INVITATION~~~~~~~~~~~~~Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of theApple II computers.Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considersunsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.[EOA][KFT]KFest 2001""""""""""                                Plan Ahead                                ~~~~~~~~~~KFest 2001 is set for July 25-29 (early arrivals on July 24) at AvilaCollege.  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