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An Onipa'a Software Production        Vol. 5, No. 2 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                            TABLE OF CONTENTS                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                            February 15, 2002HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN]     In Anticipation of Spring     In Anticipation of K-FestA2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS     Silvern Castle v7.3 Available for Download-----------------------[SCV]     Platinum Paint via The Lost Classics Project---------------------[LCA]     Beagle Bros Software via The Lost Classics Project---------------[LCB]     AppleWorks 5.1 Crashing on Second Launch From GS/OS Finder-------[AWC]     Classic AppleTalk Support on a Mac Running OS X------------------[CAX]     Alternate TCPIP Stack for Apple II?------------------------------[ATS]     The Original Apple II Version of Castle Wolfenstein--------------[OCW]     Disposal of and Reuse of Printer Ink Cartridges------------------[PIC]     Compact Flash Reader for the Apple II----------------------------[CFR]     Differences Among the Various Apple IIe's------------------------[DAE]     Troubleshooting an Apple IIe - Linux Box Setup-------------------[ATL]     Marinetti Available on Disk--------------------------------------[MOD]     SAM Dislikes More Than Fourteen Archive Folders------------------[SDM]     Precision Limitations of BASIC-----------------------------------[PLB]     Babelfish--------------------------------------------------------[BFH]ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM     To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU]     The Story of Douglas---------------------------------------------[TSD]     The Role Playing Games Forum-------------------------------------[RPG]     The Family Fun and Games Forum-----------------------------------[FFG]     New Features/Bugfixes Applied to Bulletin Board System-----------[NFB]DELPHI A2 DISTILLATIONS     Connecting a IIgs to a PC Using Marinetti (cont.)----------------[GSP]     New Version of KEGS32--------------------------------------------[NVK]     Apple IIgs Motherboard Problem-----------------------------------[GMP]LETTERS TO THE EDITOR     Letter to the Editor---------------------------------------------[LTE]     Reply to Letter--------------------------------------------------[RTL]     An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE]KFEST 2002     Plan Ahead for K-Fest 2002---------------------------------------[PAK]     Anticipation... K-FEST 2002--------------------------------------[AKF]EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]                                [*] [*] [*]READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load thisissue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will findsomething like:EXTRA INNINGS     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].[OPN]-------------------------------         HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |------------------------------------From The Editor"""""""""""""""by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>                         In Anticipation of Spring                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     From High Above The Rock River, the late Winter wind is pushing thegray clouds rapidly across the sky... a hint of blue here and there.  Thewater in the river below is churned up into large waves... whitecapsjumping against the current.  Just a mile to the north sits the SinnissippiPark greenhouse, next to the river.  Come... let us go for a sample ofSpring... lets us visit the greenhouse.     The wind bites our noses as we walk the bridge over the river.  Alongthe trail a lone jogger leans his body into the wind... his face red fromthe cold wind rushing past him.  A strong gust of wind forces a burst ofold, dry leaves across the trail.  The Mallard ducks sitting along the bankhave their beaks tucked under their wings.  The tennis courts are silent,except for the sign slapping against the fence.  The benches positionednext to the river are deserted.     At last... inside the greenhouse we smell the moisture of the warmair.  No wind.  We are visiting another climate.  The many beautiful bloomsare truly inspiring... the reds, yellows, blues, purples.     In the back section are flats of barren soil.  A tag proclaims whathas been planted in each of these flats.  It has been anticipated thatthere will be places along that windy trail we have walked today forflowers... flowers that will thrive in the new season.                         In Anticipation of K-Fest                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     A visit to the section of this issue devoted to K-Fest indicates thatpeople are getting anxious for another visit to Kansas City to honor theApple II.  Will you be among those who will make this pilgrimage?  We hopeso![EOA]ASCII ART BEGINS_________  _                     _                                      _|__   __| | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|                                                            | |                                                            | |                                                            |_|ASCII ART ENDS[EOA]---------------------------------------------------DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com  |                                  (A2Central.com) |---------------------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[SCV]SILVERN CASTLE v7.3 AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I am reposting this announcement to make a correction. I apologize to thoseof you who had to read it twice.We have a new upload in the games/adventure/prodos8 directory.File: scupd73.bxySize: 328320Date: Jan 31Silvern Castle is a freeware role-playing game written by Jeff Fink.  Thisupdate, 7.3 adds the following:Major Bugs fixed: - Automapping while inside the moat - AC Problems with some cursed armour typesMajor Changes: - Faster combat multi-monster spell displays - Faster HP healing display at Red Dragon InnNote that this is a complete package.  There is no need to download V7 orany previous versions.  It includes everything to update old versions orcreate new stand alone setup.(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 3)[EOA][LCA]PLATINUM PAINT VIA THE LOST CLASSICS PROJECT""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""A new upload to the multimedia/graphics/applications/16-bit directory:File: platpaint20.bxySize: 472704Date: Jan 31Platinum Paint is a full-featured GS/OS painting program for the Apple IIGSwhich allows the user to create and modify images for use on an Apple II,as well as store them in a variety of formats.   Originally published byBeagle.Bros and copyrighted by Matt Reimer, this  program has been releasedas freeware via The Lost Classics Project by the copyright holder.(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 4)[EOA][LCB]BEAGLE BROS SOFTWARE VIA THE LOST CLASSICS PROJECT""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Two new uploads to the beagle_bros directory:File: gsfonteditr.bxySize: 226560Date: Jan 31GSFont Editor allows you to create and modify fonts for use with an AppleII, as well as save them in different formats.  It runs under ProDOS and isusable on 8-bit Apple IIs.  Published and copyrighted by Beagle.Bros, thisprogram has been released as freeware via The Lost Classics Project by thecopyright holder, Mark Simonsen.File: bot2.bxySize: 75264Date: Jan 31Bag of Tricks 2 is the ProDOS version of this versatile repair program.Allows you  to save and repair both files and disks.  Originally publishedby Quality Software, this program has been released as freeware via TheLost Classics Project by the copyright holders, Don Worth and PieterLechner.(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 5)[EOA][AWC]APPLEWORKS 5.1 CRASHING ON SECOND LAUNCH FROM GS/OS FINDER""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I apologize for not distributing 'my' (apologies to Bredon) fix for thisannoying problem. I wanted to get it 'presentable' before I released it onthe world (and perhaps make damn sure that it fixed the problem for goodfor others). Right now it requires hardcoding your _complete_ pathname foryour APLWORKS.SYSTEM file using a block editor, and most folks don't findthis convenient.In a nutshell, I took (stole, borrowed) the code that ProSel 16 uses priorto launching a ProDOS 8 program (e.g. AppleWorks 5.1), hardcoded myAppleWorks 5.1 full pathname into it, renamed it as StartAW.System, andsaved it as a ProDOS 8 SYS file.Now, I launch this file from the Finder and it in turn, launchesAppleWorks. Now, I _never_ crash upon the second (or third, or ... ) launchof AppleWorks from the Finder, either on a 'real' GS or in Bernie. The lateProfessor Bredon had a few tricks up his sleeve, and from what I candeduce, his routine plays with memory and interrupts. His tricks work, too.If you (or anyone else) would like to test this (and are experiencing the'crash' problem on a fairly consistent basis), please send me your_complete_ pathname for APLWORKS.SYSTEM, I'll hard code it into the file,and e-mail it back to you for you to test. Just send your info to me at:hughhood@earthlink.netUnfortunately, I don't have any source code for the Bredon routines, andI haven't had the time to disassemble them well enough to write any.Hugh...(HUGHHOOD, Cat 9, Top 26, Msg 7)[EOA][CAX]CLASSIC AppleTalk SUPPORT ON A MAC RUNNING OS X"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Has anyone tried switching on classic AppleTalk support in OS X and seeingif their IIgs can connect to their Mac via a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge?I switched on classic AppleTalk on my PowerBook, but since it's on AirPort,the IIgs can't see it, and I haven't gotten around to doing a hard-wire onthe Mac yet. :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 15)>>>>>"""""I wasn't aware that OS X supported classic Appletalk. Is this somethingnew? How do you turn it on?I'll run a cable and give it a try.Kim HoweNewton Forum Host(KIMHOWE, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 16)>>>>>"""""If you turn on AppleTalk in Classic, some of the functionality (I hesitateto say all) exists in both 9 and X.  However, I'm also on Airport (well, acompatible equivalent :) and I'm too cluttered right now to run a cable.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 17)>>>>>"""""There's a hidden preference, buried in a plist file somewhere, that letsyou turn on classic AppleTalk.  I wish I still had the bookmark for the website that talks about it; I found a link to it on one of the Mac sites Iread regularly but of course I don't remember which.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 18)>>>>>"""""Hey, I found that link to information on how to turn on classic AppleTalk.It's on a page talking about how to make System 6 Macs keep running in aMac OS X world:http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/osx.htmlEric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 19)>>>>>"""""I followed the instructions on that site and turned on the ClassicAppletalk support. I have confirmed that I can connect via localtalk bridgeto the Cube running OS X. Pretty cool. (So far I've done it with an SE/30,I don't have a long enough cable to reach the GS at present, but there's noreason why it wouldn't work.) I'll be getting a longer cable and Networkingthe GS in soon. This is really cool. The lack of Classic Appletalk supportwas the thing I missed most in going to OS X!Kim HoweNewton Forum Host(KIMHOWE, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 20)>>>>>"""""Hm.  It doesn't work over my unofficial wireless setup either.  Once I getthe 8500 running OS X (another unofficial setup), I'll check it out myselfagain.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 21)>>>>>"""""Yeah, classic AppleTalk has never in my experience worked across an 802.11bconnection.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 22)>>>>>"""""It actually has for me, in OS 9, in my official unofficial wireless setup,as opposed to in OS X, which is my unofficial unofficial wireless setup :)Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.org - A2's Head GeekAlpha Testing CoPilot v2.55 and ProTERM 3.1Offline Syndicomm.com Message Manager(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 23)[EOA][ATS]ALTERNATE TCPIP STACK FOR Apple II?"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I wonder if Marinetti development has stalled completely, we could dosomething with the tcp/ip stack given here.  http://dunkels.com/adam/uip/It seems to find the approximate size requirements.  I haven't researchedit any more though.Wayne(WAYNER, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 30)>>>>>"""""I don't know what the current status of Marinetti is.  However I can't seean alternate TCPIP stack being a bad thing. :)Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 31)>>>>>"""""To make any sense, an alternate TCP/IP stack would have to follow exactlythe same interface TCP/IP Tool calls that Marinetti has, as I can't see allthe existing TCP/IP aware applications being updated to handle two entirelydifferent stacks... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Thu 31 Jan 2002 - 173 days till KFest '02 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5 Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/(CONDUCTOR, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 32)>>>>>"""""I agree. I can't see any sense in trying to develop another stack. Alsofrom what I've seen on the MOSP site and recent postings there's quite abit of work happening to Marinetti. I'm hoping to have a closer look atwhat's going in the in the coming weeks. If we can get a couple of problemscleaned up (and it looks like we can) the future for TCPIP on the GS islooking good.Kim HoweNewton Forum Host(KIMHOWE, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 35)>>>>>"""""I think, if possible, investing time in fixing Marinetti issues (andwriting Marinetti-aware applications) would pay off more than porting a newTCP implementation.The GS/TCP gnome stack was ported and look how long it remained "indevelopment" :)  The Marinetti stack exists today and works.  And thenumber of people that have the time or desire to understand what goes onbehind the scenes is limited.Of course, if Marinetti has gone as far as it can go, the small number ofmarinetti-aware apps wouldn't prevent the adoption of a different TCPimplementation.(KWS, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 33)>>>>>"""""Just wanted to get a little conversation going.Glad to see the MOSP is still in development.W(WAYNER, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 36)[EOA][OCW]THE ORIGINAL Apple II VERSION OF CASTLE WOLFENSTEIN"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I received a recent message from a Juiced.GS reader asking about theoriginal Castle Wolfenstein game program for the Apple II.I've looked around on the Web, but can find no reference to the Apple IIversion of the game anywhere, including on Activision's Web site.Can anyone enlighten me about the history and current status of theoriginal Apple II version of the Wolfenstein game? Does anyone know if it'sfreely available, and, if so, where I might find it?Thanks ...Max JonesJuiced.GS(JUICEDGS, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 42)>>>>>"""""Max,Castle Wolfenstein is unavailable.  A recovery attempt was made by the LostClassics program some time ago, but I believe the end story was that theprogrammer had lent his hard drive to a friend, who fried it.  The sourcecode ended up in the city dump.You wouldn't find anything at Activision.com as their acquisition of theseries is fairly recent; I think they've published only the most recent(2001) sequel, Return to Castle Wolfenstein.  The original game was createdby id and published by Apogee, and has since been associated with suchcompanies as Imagineer, Interplay, and Vitesse.There are some downloadable ROMs on the Internet, but since the game isstill copyrighted, these files fall under the same legal gray/black area asmany other emulation issues.The game's controls are listed athttp://www.gamewinners.com/faq.php?game=c/CastleWolfenstein-Moose.txtThe game itself is listed as one of the major software releases of 1981 athttp://apple2history.org/a/appy/aha81.htmlThe CSA2 gaming FAQ has an email from John Romero; here's an excerpt:"That summer of 1992, just after Wolf3D was released, John Carmack and idrove to Kansas City for one of the last A2-Central conferences.  Webrought a laptop and a copy of Wolf3d with us because, lo and behold, TomWeishaar got ahold of Silas Warner (creator of the original CastleWolfenstein) and had Silas give a seminar.  What a night.  Carmack and isat out in the hallway for hours talking to Silas and Bill Heineman aboutall kinds of old A2 stuff.  We have an original Wolf3D manual with Silas'signature."I can dig up my GEnie messages on this topic if you like.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 43)>>>>>"""""I attended that K-Fest (the one and only - sigh!) and I can remember beingblown away by this laptop showing a *rapidly* changing, colored andtextured, 3-D maze, with lots of action and sound effects.(I can also remember, as a spectator, getting a little bored watchingbecause the demonstrator obviously knew what to do (and when to do it) andso had little trouble. I guess it's like that when developers demo theirown apps! :-)Peter               peterw@syndicomm.comPalm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager(PETERW, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 44)>>>>>"""""Ken:Thanks a bunch. That's great info ...I'm assuming then that the only way for one to obtain the program is bypurchasing a used copy. Too bad ... such an historic piece of software lostfor the ages, at least in any practical sense for new or reborn Apple IIusers.-- Max(JUICEDGS, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 45)>>>>>"""""Max,I suppose Lost Classics could always try again to contact Silas Warner.His copies may be fried, but they do exist.  All it'd take is hispermission to create the legal opportunity to upload and distribute thegame.If your reader is looking to find a used copy, there don't seem to be anyon eBay at the moment.Also, regarding the Wolfenstein series, I posted:>> The original game was created by id and published by Apogee <<I was thinking of the PC game "Wolfenstein 3D".  I don't know who publishedthe Apple II game.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 46)>>>>>"""""The original Castle Wolfenstein was published by Muse Software.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 47)[EOA][PIC]DISPOSAL OF AND REUSE OF PRINTER INK CARTRIDGES"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I was at the post office today and saw a dispenser of free, postage-paid,plastic envelopes in which to dispose of inkjet cartridges.  Just put thecartridge back in the original packaging (which you have on hand wheninstalling a new one), put it in the envelope, seal it, and drop it in themail.  The Post Office will recycle or otherwise properly dispose of it.-Ken(KGAGNE, Cat 17, Top 25, Msg 29)>>>>>"""""Office Depot, for one, sells refilled used ink cartridges which I thinkthey call "refurbished".Ink is the biggest racket in the legal world.  If you think gas isexpensive, you ain't seen nothing compared to ink.  It is cheaper to run alaser than an inkjet, probably by an order of magnitude if not two.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 25, Msg 30)[EOA][CFR]COMPACT FLASH READER FOR THE Apple II"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Found this little tidbit on slashdot.http://dreher.net/CFforAppleII/Waynehint:  It's a compact flash reader for the apple //(WAYNER, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 1)>>>>>"""""It still amazes me after all these years that people still take the timeand hack together a new device.  It's too bad there aren't more peoplestill tinkering around.Dain NeaterA2 Syndicomm BB Manager(A2.DAIN, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""OK...  What is a compact flash reader?Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>   Editor, _The Lamp!_published monthly at:    http://lamp.a2central.com/(LYLE, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 4)>>>>>"""""CompactFlash is a persistent, compact, storage medium commonly used bydigital cameras.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""It would also make a pretty cool highly crash proof storage medium.(WAYNER, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 7)>>>>>"""""The CompactFlash project is interesting to me more for the interchange ofdata than anything else.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 6)>>>>>"""""So this has potential for moving data back and forth between the Apple IIsand MACs or PCs?Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>   Editor, _The Lamp!_published monthly at:    http://lamp.a2central.com/(LYLE, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 8)>>>>>""""">> So this has potential for moving data back and forth between theApple IIs and MACs or PCs? <<No more or less really than existing large storage removable medium, withthe exception of digital cameras. . .Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 9)[EOA][DAE]DIFFERENCES AMONG THE VARIOUS Apple IIe's"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Other than the numeric keyboard and color, what are the differences betweenthe apple //e and the platinum apple //e?Actually, if someone can tell me how many different versions of the //ethere were and what the differences were I would appreciate it.(WAYNER, Cat 18, Top 3, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""Just to get the ball rolling because I don't know all that much about theApple IIe, I known that there were at least three versions (please correctme if I am wrong).  There was the original one (the one I owned I believe).This one had 64k RAM on board and a 6502 Processor.  This is where thingsstart to get fuzzy for me.  I think the next version was the "Enhanced"IIe.  There was a Powerlight on the keyboard that read enhanced.  (I alsobelieve that the keyboards between these two machines were different, onewas really clicky and the other a bit "mushy")  This machine had some morestuff in the ROM (mousetext maybe?).  It also might have used the 65C02 butthat I am not sure of.  The third version that I know of is the PlatinumIIe with a numeric keypad built on to the keyboard.  This one I am almostpositive had a 65C02 like the //c.Does anyone know the whole story?I have nothing but fond memories for my old Unenhanced IIe.Dain NeaterA2 BB Manager(A2.DAIN, Cat 18, Top 3, Msg 3)>>>>>"""""There were two major versions of the Apple IIe. 1) The original beige AppleIIe that had its production run from January 1983 until December 1986 and2) the Platinum IIe, which ran from January 1987 until November 1993.  Apossible third version (depending upon your point of view) would be the IIeLC Card for the Macintosh LC that was produced from 1991 until 1995.The original mandate was a reengineered Apple II plus motherboard withreduced chip count (thus reduced manufacturing cost) while building in somenew features.  The chip count was reduced from 120 to 31 while building in16K Language Card and upper/lower case support.  In addition the newAuxiliary Slot, replacing the Apple II/II plus slot 0, adding the abilityof 80 column text with the new 80 Column Text Card.  Also available was a64K Extended 80-Column Text Card giving you a full 64K of bank switchableRAM.  This version booted up with "Apple II" top center and usually had akeyboard with white key caps.One of the first (of many) motherboard changes allowed for a new graphicsmode, Double Hi-Res and Double Lo-Res.  The next big change was introducedin March 1985 with the introduction of the Enhanced Apple IIe that wasbasically a 4-chip change.  This change included a new processor (65C02 vs.6502A), new CD and EF ROMs (bug fixes mostly) and a new character generatorROM that now included mousetext.  This change pretty much brought the AppleIIe up to the same potential capabilities of the Apple IIc (introduced inApril 1984).  This version booted up with "Apple //e" top center and atsome point they changed the keyboard to one with black key caps.The second major version was the Platinum IIe that started shipping inJanuary 1987.  This featured a new "platinum" case and a keyboard with abuilt in keypad.  They also re engineered the motherboard again furtherreducing the chip count from 31 down to 24.  This new motherboard actuallystarted to be used in the late run beige IIe's starting around October1986.  Among the motherboard changes included the combining of the two CDand EF ROMs into a single CF ROM and the use of two 256Kb RAM chipsreplacing the eight 64 Kb chips previously used.  This machine also camestandard with a newly re engineered 64K Extended 80 Column Card that wasmuch smaller than the previous card.The third major version, the IIe LC Card, was Apple's attempt to provide atransitional path for schools from their Apple IIe's to Macintosh withoutneeding to scrap their entire software base.  Pretty impressive engineeringin its day considering they managed to reduce the entire Apple IIe to 5" x3" card.  This card was discontinued in July 1995.An excellent source for additional info would be Steven Weyhrich's Apple IIHistory site at http://www.apple2history.org/.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 18, Top 3, Msg 4)[EOA][ATL]TROUBLESHOOTING AN Apple IIe - Linux BOX SETUP""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I have been having an annoying problem since we came over toa2central.com/syndicomm.com a year ago.  My setup is an Apple IIe/SuperSerial Card/null-modem connection/Linux box.Sometimes when I should get a BB or menu prompt, ProTERM appears to hang.To recover I have to send the break command.  When I do this half the timeI get the proper BB/menu prompt and the other half of the time I getreturned to my Linux boxes prompt and I have to reconnect.  This has been aPITA but I've been living with it.Last night I was reading an old A2-Central article on the basics of serialcommunications.  When it spoke about software vs. hardware flow controlI started to wonder if this was my problem.  According to the articlenormal XON/XOFF works with a control character (ctrl-s, ctrl-q) to stop andstart flow.According to the ProTERM manual, default flow control is determined by yourmodem settings.- What is the default setting in a null-modem situation where no modem is  involved?- There is the ability to override the default settings.  What would be the  proper setting to properly override?  "R0" = Drop RTS  "R1" = Raise RTS  "D0" = Drop DTR  "D1" = Raise DTRAny help would be appreciated. :)Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 4)>>>>>"""""I guess I should explain why I think flow control might be a problem.I have noticed that the BB/menu prompts here have a embedded controlcharacters in it.  If I slow down the baud rate enough I can actually seethe prompt printing things like "(i-search) `'", backspacing over it beforeprinting the actual prompt.  My assumption is that one of the controlcharacters being sent to my IIe is being interpreted as flow-off byProTERM.Bottom line is that if software flow is being used by default, it shouldn'tand I'd like to make sure that hardware flow is.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 5)>>>>>"""""A follow up to my previous post.I have made a couple of changes and it seems to have helped.  My modemdriver was set to Null-Modem and was running at 19200 in my IIe with aSuper Serial Card.  When I changed the driver to Null-Modem (RTS/DTS) theproblem went away however I did start experiencing dropping characters.Reducing my bps rate to 9600 seemed to cure that.Conclusion: It appears that the straight Null-Modem driver uses XON/XOFFfor flow control.  From what I understand this is normally the ctrl-s,ctrl-q to stop and start data.  It seems that this plays havoc with the BBsoftware as it seems to interpret these characters as something else.  Thechange to Null-Modem (RTS/DTS) cured that but the character loss indicatedto me that I didn't have a properly wired cable for hardware handshaking.Setting it to 9600 is a suitable fix until I can get a proper cable.Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT(MARK, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 6)>>>>>"""""9600 is really the upper limit of what can be handled with software(XON/XOFF) type handshaking.  Anything above that (19200-57600 on a IIgs,19200 on a IIe with SSC, and ridiculously faster with a Turbo ASB) needs tobe hardware handshaking.At least the SSC and IIgs have the proper signals to go to 19200.  The IIcand IIc Plus don't, and I've never been able to get anything above 9600 towork reliably on them.Ryan(A2.RYAN, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 7)[EOA][MOD]MARINETTI AVAILABLE ON DISK"""""""""""""""""""""""""""Marinetti has been added to the list of software we offer on disk for $2including shipping.  The order form can be found on the A2Central.com website.We'll be adding a version of Marinetti with printed developer documentationto our online store in the near future.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 24, Top 1, Msg 47)[EOA][SDM]SAM DISLIKES MORE THAN FOURTEEN ARCHIVE FOLDERS"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I am posting this here since I am unable to find a specific topic for SAM.I am running SAM v1.5 and have found that it no longer archives messages.When you hit the 'ARC' button in the reader it goes through the motions offolder selection, etc.  But it does not actually save the message to thefolder.  This started happening when I created the 15th folder in the list.Up until then messages were being saved correctly.  The documentation doesnot indicate any limit to the number of folders allowed by the program.Has anyone else see this problem? Roger A. Schnorenberg - Roger "Roger A. Schnorenberg" <AB0MX@ARRL.net> Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8 with NiftySpell 1.0 Via Marinetti 2.1 TCP/IP stack on a ROM 0 IIGS upgraded to the max!(SCHNORENBERG, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 26)>>>>>"""""After making some tests, there is indeed a problem if there are 15 or morefolders set up for archiving messages.I will update SAM when I have fixed the problem. Unfortunately I am awayfrom home for the next week, so am not sure when this will be. Please bepatient, and I will announce the update as soon as it is ready.Meanwhile, if possible, please limit your folders to 15, and all hopefullyshould be well. Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sun 27 Jan 2002 - 177 days till KFest '02 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5 Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/(CONDUCTOR, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 27)>>>>>"""""Folder number 15 broke SAM.  I will reduce the number to 14 and see ifit will start working again.  :-) Roger A. Schnorenberg - Roger "Roger A. Schnorenberg" <AB0MX@ARRL.net> Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8 with NiftySpell 1.0 Via Marinetti 2.1 TCP/IP stack on a ROM 0 IIGS upgraded to the max!(SCHNORENBERG, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 28)>>>>>"""""Roger,I have now fixed the problem. In due course the fix will be released in SAM1.6, but I could send you the updated script that fixes the problem now.For the last week I have been trying to e-mail you asking for an e-mailaddress that I can send the file to, but all e-mail to "Roger A.Schnorenberg" <AB0MX@ARRL.NET> is being returned as undeliverable.If you have another e-mail address that I can use, e-mail me onspeccie@mac.com and let me know... Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Thu 7 Feb 2002 - 166 days till KFest '02 Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5 Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3 http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/(CONDUCTOR, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 29)[EOA][PLB]PRECISION LIMITATIONS OF BASIC""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Curious quirk.  I did a:]? 9^9387420490On the calculator387420489On the MC-10387420489Does Basic round to 8 digits?  If so is there anyway around this?(WAYNER, Cat 51, Top 15, Msg 16)>>>>>"""""BASIC doesn't round to a set number of digits, but it does have precisionlimitations.  I don't have the exact real number format memorized, but youprobably hit its accuracy limitation with a number that large, and thelower bits of precision are getting hacked off.Eric 'Sheppy' ShepherdOwnerSyndicommBuilding communities bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 51, Top 15, Msg 17)>>>>>"""""There are two solutions to work around Applesoft's precision problem:1) Use 8-bit SANE.  I do not know where this is available now, but it doesnot have precision problems like Applesoft.2) Figure out the formula which the Applesoft ROM uses to perform thefunction 9^9.  See if there is another formula out there which leads to thesame result.  Write Applesoft code based on another formula and see if theprecision problem goes away.Geoff(GEOFF, Cat 51, Top 15, Msg 18)[EOA][BFH]BABELFISH"""""""""Has anyone done anything with Babelfish they'd like to share?I think it'd be awful nice to have more support for it.  It's a shame itdidn't come out sooner than it did though.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 60, Top 18, Msg 1)>>>>>"""""Babelfish was an interesting thing. It was kept so super secret for solong, with so much done to it, and across so many people that everyone thatseemed interested at the time had "gotten it" and there was no more pushfor it to be released.Too bad.From day one, way back when I never had the impression that SHS was a realcompany - too bad some GREAT products and talent got shelved, stiffed andmessed up in it.I never saw a vendor be so weird with their own products. Two great IIgsgames, they made them practically impossible to get. It's as if they wereembarrassed to be selling Apple II stuff. But what do you expect from acompany that charged people $5 for a link to download a PDF tax form from agovernment agency.Tony(A2.TONYD, Cat 60, Top 18, Msg 2)>>>>>"""""Babelfish was a great piece of software that was obliterated by pointlessand stupid delays in getting it released.  Design by committee will dothat.Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 60, Top 18, Msg 3)[EOA]------------------------------------      ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[TSU]TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or tosign up!(Logon message)[EOA][TSD]THE STORY OF DOUGLAS""""""""""""""""""""Win a $20 bookstore gift certificate by contributing to the continuingstory of Douglas!  Prolific Quill, page 990, keyword QUILL.(Logon Banner)[EOA][RPG]THE ROLE PLAYING GAMES FORUM""""""""""""""""""""""""""""The Role Playing Games forum (keyword RPG, page 833) is under construction,but the Cargotha MUD is now open and ready to play!  Drop on in and enterthe land of adventure!(Logon Banner)[EOA][FFG]THE FAMILY FUN AND GAMES FORUM""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Visit the new Family Fun & Games forum (keyword FUN, page 820) and share ajoke, recipe, or just your charm and wit!  It's a great place to relax andbe yourself!  Or be someone else, we don't care, as long as you have a goodtime!(Logon Banner)[EOA][NFB]NEW FEATURES/BUGFIXES APPLIED TO BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEM""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""The following new features/bugfixes were applied to the bulletin boardsystem today: (Jan 28, 2002)- "0" at the bulletin board prompt now exits to the forum main menu like itdoes everywhere else on Syndicomm instead of showing you the bulletin boardhelp (you can still get help by typing "help" at the prompt).- "NEW" command implemented:NEW      - lists topics with new messages in the current categoryNEW cat  - lists topics with new messages in the given categoryNEW #-#  - lists categories with new messages within the given categoryrangeNEW ALL  - lists categories with new messages anywhere in the board- Nicknames are now shown next to usernames on message headers again (thesedisappeared when we switched to the new software due to a typo in thecode).Dave Miller    justdave@syndicomm.com + justdave@justdave.netLead Software Engineer/System Administrator, Syndicomm Onlinehttp://www.syndicomm.com/            http://www.justdave.net/(HelpDesk BB, JUSTDAVE, Cat 4, Top 2, Msg 43)[EOA]------------------------------------      DISTILLATIONS FROM DELPHI A2 |------------------------------------by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>[GSP]CONNECTING A IIgs TO A PC USING MARINETTI (CONT.)""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I chose to pursue your Dial Up Server line of thinking a little more.I installed Dial Up Server from Win95 Plus.  I searched on the net andfound a Null modem driver for Win9x.  I have been trying to get the IIgsand the Win95 box to talk to each other but, like you, have found that PPPoption negotiation seems to be the stopping point.However, unlike your Hanging up experience, both machines will sit theresending packets at each other for a while.  I don't believe that the IIgsrecognizes the Win95 packets as the PPP tracefile does not show anyincoming packets.I have used a serial port scanner to look at what is being transmittedbetween the machines. I have captured a HEX dump of the traffic and I amnow trying to decipher it.  I should probably setup another Win9x box andscan the transmission between them to see what is being negotiated. Hmmm...good idea!Cheers,Andrew(ROUGHANA, 3122.26, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""As you would expect, the GS is using standard PPP with HDLC framingGS:7EFF7D23C0237D217D3D7D207D267D207D20F1EA7EI can decipher what this is by looking at RFCs.However, I'm stuck on the Win95 output.  I could use some help decipheringthe protocol that Win95 is using.Does anyone recognize this byte sequence?W95:DBC01BC0D89898EC890E98FD0E1D0B6C87FB4A9DD87ED898D8I haven't yet found any doco that can tell me what it is.I am assuming that there will NOT be a problem with bit ordering.  I basethat assumption on the fact that I am using Rs232 ports and modem driversthat need to talk to RS232 modems wouldn't work if there was a bit orderingproblem.... However, maybe there is some other hardware issue?  I have setthe Win95 Null Modem driver to use 8N1 and the same speed as the GS ports.Any input appreciated!Cheers,Andrew(ROUGHANA, 3122.28, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""Hi Andrew,I was doing some web searching myself earlier this week and found someinteresting web sites about using Direct Cable Connection (DCC) thatmention using TCP/IP over them. I also download a Word document from onesite with details about doing this but I didn't bookmark it and haven'tbeen able to find it again. Here are the couple I did bookmark, though:http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/5704/dcc1.htmlhttp://www.tecno.demon.co.uk/dcc/dcc.htmlThe Word document I got had me do a few changes to the Windows registry butI'm pretty sure they are just there to support modem connections. I'vefound this handy as it gives me a way to trigger events and see when DCCgives up trying to negotiate a connection.It took a few changes to various things to get my serial port on the PC andDCC working at 57,600 bps like I wanted but I finally changed the rightthing. To test things, I started Spectrum on my IIgs and then DCC on the PCand told it to be a host and listen for a connection. It sent the modeminit string I had set up in the registry and waited for a connection. WhenI typed the word "CONNECT" into Spectrum (which is what I set the registryto trigger a connection on), DCC changed its window to saying it wasverifying user name and password and sent the word "CLIENTSERVER" to myIIgs followed by a packet of data that looked like this:0000: 7e ff 7d 23 c0 21 7d 21 7d 21 7d 20 30 7d 22 7d0010: 26 7d 20 7d 2a 7d 20 7d 20 7d 23 7d 25 c2 23 800020: 7d 25 7d 26 7d 20 7d 21 bb ea 7d 27 7d 22 7d 280030: 7d 22 7d 31 7d 24 7d 25 dc 7d 33 7d 33 7d 21 e00040: 7d 2a 5f c1 ea bb 7d 21 7d 20 c0 ab 5f c1 9d 7d0050: 2f 7d 20 7d 20 9c 2d 7e 7e ff 7d 23 c0 21 7d 250060: 7d 22 7d 20 7d 24 59 28 7e(NOTE: There may be typos in this as I typed it in here on my PC whileviewing the data on my IIgs.)I poked through RFC 1334 (PPP Authentication Protocols) and found thatthere should be a $C023 in there somewhere for PAP authentication and $C223for CHAP authentication. There is a $C223 in that packet I received fromthe PC so it looks like it is trying to use CHAP which Marinetti doesn'tsupport yet.I also noticed while searching that there is an RFC 2759 called MicrosoftPPP (CHAP) Extensions, Version 2 so it is possible that it is trying to doa non-standard CHAP authentication as well. :-/Mind you, I don't know much low level TCP/IP stuff so I may be totallymisinterpreting this stuff.Anyways, that's as far as I got with my couple attempts this week.Jeff BlakeneyDean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro Forum(JBLAKENEY, 3122.29, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""Wow Jeff, you've managed to get Windows to spit out a PPP LCP packet overDCC! That's a step forward.I went looking for a TCP/IP direct cable connection word document and foundthis link:http://www.tecno.demon.co.uk/dcc/download/dccsrvr.docIs this the one you were referring to? It looks promising.If not, did you keep a copy of the doc file?  Can you send it to me please?Thanks,Andrew(ROUGHANA, 3122.30, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""Andrew Roughan said:>> Wow Jeff, you've managed to get Windows to spit out a PPP LCP packetover DCC! That's a step forward. <<Yeah, now if we can just figure out how to make it do something. :)>> I went looking for a TCP/IP direct cable connection word document andfound this link: http://www.tecno.demon.co.uk/dcc/download/dccsrvr.docIs this the one you were referring to? It looks promising. <<Yes, that's the one. I'll bookmark it now just in case I need to get backthere or point others to it. Thanks for tracking it down.Jeff BlakeneyDean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro Forum(JBLAKENEY, 3122.31, Delphi A2 web side)[EOA][NVK]NEW VERSION OF KEGS32"""""""""""""""""""""A new version of KEGS32 was released a few weeks back, I only justdiscovered it recently...Version 0.60-R3 now offers the following: support for long filenames, dragand drop for loading disk images, easily accessible buttons for togglingbetween speeds (1 MHz, 2.8 MHz and fast-as-possible), scanline support andmany fixes.The scanline support still needs some work (bug fixing?) but it gives you agood idea what the emulator _will_ be like by the next release. Graphicslook much more like that of a real IIgs on a standard VGA monitor, it'sreally cool looking.Visit KEGS32's home page for details and to download it:http://www.geocities.com/akilgard/kegs32/Mitchell Spectora_specto@alcor.concordia.ca(SPECTOR1, 3564.1, Delphi A2 web side)[EOA][GMP]Apple IIgs MOTHERBOARD PROBLEM""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I have a IIgs Rom 01 motherboard here that doesn't startup properly.When I turn it on, the screen comes up with a grey border, alternatevertical columns of black and green/purple/white lores blocks and thespeaker clicks. Pressing Ctrl-OA[or CA]-Reset seems to be registered butthe cycle continues.There is nothing plugged into the motherboard besides the monitor, keyboardand power supply. I have checked that these three components work fine withother motherboards.Any ideas what the possible problem is and whether this is worth fixing?Thanks,Andrew(ROUGHANA, 3563.1, Delphi A2 web side)>>>>>"""""I've seen that happen before, at least in a similar fashion.At best guess I would point to the CPU at fault. Power down the machine andlocate the socketed 65C816 processor (the 40-pin DIP next to the ROM, atthe center of the board) and try pressing down firmly on it. If thatdoesn't work, carefully pry it out completely and reseat it back in itssocket.You could also try cleaning the CPU pins with some rubbing alcohol and aQ-tip. Just take extreme care not to bend or break any of them.There is also the possibility the 65C816 itself is defective, or thecontacts inside the DIP socket aren't making proper contact with the pins(apparently that is common from continually reinserting and removing anaccelerator card such as a Zip or TransWarp GS).Also check the socketed ROM to see that it's properly inserted (it'sunlikely that's at fault, but try it if all else fails).Try the above and see what that does. A new motherboard can probably befound on eBay for under $5, but I'd see if you can't save this one first.ps - Another possibility is what your seeing is the built-in self testdiagnostic running, *but* I'd discount that because you mentioned thespeaker clicking (there is no sound until the end of the test).Mitchell Spectora_specto@alcor.concordia.ca(SPECTOR1, 3563.2, Delphi A2 web side)[EOA]------------------------------------             LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |------------------------------------[LTE]LETTER TO THE EDITOR""""""""""""""""""""Dear Editor:Thanks for keeping us updated as to the various Apple II issues beingdiscussed on online services such as Delphi and Syndicomm Online.I'm always interested to see which messages make the cut each month.  Howdo you decide?-Ken Gagne[EOA][RTL]REPLY TO LETTER"""""""""""""""Any one of several characteristics make a message or a thread of messagesworthy of being included in _The Lamp!_ .1. Announcements of new or improved products and services.2. A question and answers to that question which inform or help solve   problems.3. Discussions of ideas about new products and/or services that would be   desirable to create in the future.4. Discussions about what things were like with the Apple II "way back   when".5. Comments that tell "how to do" or "where to get" or "where to go".Some worthy messages or threads are left out because permission to use oneof the messages could not be obtained from the author of original comment.Only one person has said no.  Hundreds of emails have gone unanswered,either because of neglect, or because the easiest way to say no is to notreply.Editor[EOA][LTE]AN INVITATION~~~~~~~~~~~~~Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of theApple II computers.Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considersunsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.[EOA][KFT]------------------------------                       KFest 2002 |-----------------------------------[PAK]PLAN AHEAD FOR K-Fest 2002""""""""""""""""""""""""""KansasFest 2002 is scheduled for July 23 through 28 of 2002.  Plan ahead.Mark your calendar.  Start saving your money.  Join us for K-Fest 2002!For additional information visit the K-Fest Home Page at:                http://www.kfest.org/[EOA][AKF]ANTICIPATION... K-FEST 2002"""""""""""""""""""""""""""Now that 2002 is finally here, I'm ready to start planning for KFest!!Cindy(CINDYADAMS, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 17)>>>>>"""""Heck, I was planning for KFest 2002 years ago - it's just that good!Everyone needs to plan to get there and it's never too early to start.Among the plans should be an effort to bring along someone that hasn't beenthere yet. We still haven't reached a lot of folks that need to experiencethe glory of KFest!Looking forward to another great KFest,Steve(KFESTSTEVE, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 18)>>>>>"""""With tax season upon us, I was wondering when registration is going to openup for Kfest 2002.  I want to be an early bird this year and get on thelist.Dain NeaterBB Manager A2(A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 19)>>>>>"""""Me too -- I want to get registered! :)Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd                                sheppy@syndicomm.comOwner, Syndicomm                                  http://www.syndicomm.com                     Building communities, bit by bit.(SYNDICOMM, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 20)>>>>>"""""Re: KFest registration.I think at earliest registration usually starts around now.The Gouda will have to weigh in with his two cents, of course. :)RyanChief Sysop(A2.RYAN, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 21)>>>>>"""""Dain and everyone,Working on the registration prices and deadlines, among other things, butdon't want to post anything that isn't 100% confirmed.I'm hoping Avila hasn't increased the prices but won't hear from them forawhile.We will keep the deadline for the early bird special at May 1st though, soeveryone should have plenty of time to make their arrangements.We're still working on a shoestring budget. Things are tight enough toconsider imposing a "go/no go" deadline for KFest once again like we hadinitially. For now I rather not have to do that.Even if we have to increase the registration fees it shouldn't be asignificant amount.What WOULD help is early registration this year, once we post theregistration info. (I'll get that posted ASAP).Hope this helps with your plans,Steve (Gouda)(KFESTSTEVE, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 32)>>>>>"""""Jeez, I'd better get cracking on my programming project, eh?  I don't wantto suck, come July.   :)_________  | homas(TCOMPTER, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 22)[EOA][INN]------------------------------                     EXTRA INNINGS |-----------------------------------About The Lamp!   The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on"""""""""""""""   the WEB at:   http://lamp.a2central.com/This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computersusing Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes.  Apple II Forever!     * The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2001 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W.  All       rights reserved.     * To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to       thelamp@sheppyware.net     * All issues of The Lamp! are available at The Lamp! Home Page,       http://lamp.a2central.com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed herein are those of the individual authors, and do notnecessarily represent the opinions of A2Central.com, Delphi OnlineServices, Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, or Lyle Syverson.  Forum messages arereprinted verbatim and are included in this publication with permissionfrom the individual authors.  A2Central.com, Delphi Online Services,Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, and Lyle Syverson do not guarantee the accuracyor suitability of any information included herein.  We reserve the right toedit all letters and copy.Material published in this edition may not be reprinted without theexpressed written consent of the  publisher.   Registered computer usergroups, not for profit publications , and other interested parties maywrite the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[EOF]
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