23:20:43 This is a quote from... somewhere. It was in my notes and I forget. > Stories about aging have traditionally focused on the need for graceful > accommodation. The recommended solution to diminishing vigor and impending > death was resignation coupled with an effort to achieve closure in practical > affairs and personal relationships. Given that nothing could be done to > prevent or retard aging, this focus made sense. Rather than fretting about the > inevitable, one could aim for peace of mind. Today we face a different > situation. While we still lack effective and acceptable means for slowing the > aging process, we can identify research directions that might lead to the > development of such means in the foreseeable future. “Deathist” stories and > ideologies, which counsel passive acceptance, are no longer harmless sources > of consolation. They are fatal barriers to urgently needed action. I'm not so sure myself. To be blunt, most people don't really contribute anything of civilizational value, so what would be the benefit to keeping them alive longer? I mean, certainly, *I*'d like to live for a really long time while healthy and sane, but is it actually a collective positive change when everyone has access to it? What would be the concrete effects? I don't have an answer right away. I will think on this.