date: Mon 02 Jun 2025 10:02:47 PM PDT subj: mental health ... not me too! family --------------------------------------------------- NOTE: this will likely get updated . somehow writing about it makes it a little better. --------------------------------------------------- Long time ago my sister came home from work or something at night. My mom was really upset with her because she wasn't wearing pants. My mom was mad my sister was just in a shirt. My mom didn't raise her daughter to get out of the car without pants on. My sister tried to tell my mother she had a skirt on. My mother didn't care what my sister said, my mother saw her without pants or a skirt on. Fifteen years later my mother was convinced her husband had a diamond ring and proposed to a woman while sitting between the mistress and her at a bar during a work party. Later the diamond ring along with a lot of cash was hidden in my car when my dad took my car to be stored in our relatives barn. For nineteen years the car sat in that barn with a diamond ring in it, and a bunch of cash hidden in the fuel tank or motor. I retrieved that car, but found no diamond ring, no cash, just and old car and spare parts. There were many other wild tales of similar happenings. Like dad hired a private investigator to watch my mom at their home for two weeks. The investigator went through their trash gathering intel. I thought my dad paid thousands of dollars to watch his wife at a place he knew she was all day, and instead of going through his own trash, paid the investigator to do it?! Not my dad, and not 99.9% of reasonable people would hire someone to do that. He could go through is own trash anytime he wanted why pay an investigator to do this? I couldn't convince my mother such an idea didn't seem logical. There were many many other instances like this. My 56 year old dad also had an affair with his son's sister-in-law, and her baby is really his. Another was our grandmother was using a her cell phone (my 80 year old grandma, couldn't text anyone) to impersonate our mom, in order to steal her husband after grandpa died, and grandma was watching her daughter, by driving by her house. My mom never said she saw her mother drive by her house, but on occasion grandma would knock on the door and when nobody would answer the door grandma would call out to her daughter because my mothers (grandma's daughter) car was parked in the driveway. (I can't recall how many times in our lives grandma and grandpa came over, and when they did they knocked on the door. Sometimes they even just came in the house and said hello! its grandma and grandpa!). The numerous and assiduous events happening to my mother progressed with frequency through the years but really intensified over a ten year period the subjects of those stories moved from co-workers and neighbors to my mothers family members. I had a difficult time reconciling how all these things could happen to one person throughout all the years and with such frequency. Odd my mother didn't reconcile that if the mistress was so into her husband why wasn't that diamond ring on the mistresses finger instead of hidden in an old car. My mother never said details of the conversation of the proposal. My mother attempted to divorce her husband. She locked him out of the house. He came home one day and she changed the locks. He was so upset. She said he was yelling. I thought what a reasonable response. My mother had grandma serve him divorce papers. He drove to his parents house in disbelieve. The next day he died of a heart attack. That was year 2009. He was 56 years old. Holly fuck! My mother even thought her mother (g ma) was trying to steal her boyfriend. It was so interesting how she tried to steal him, and impersonate my mom to do so just like she was trying to do the same thing with her husband. I never heard about this at the time my dad was alive though. It appeared later after she was trying to steal her boyfriend. The funny thing about this, my grandma was supposedly trying to setup a date with her boyfriend but as my mother (the impersonation part). I asked my mother but how would this work. Grandma would appear in person, and he would then know she isn't you!? My mother had no explanation for this logic. Its like she couldn't understand it. She would say something like, that is what grandma tried to do. I say Yeah but it doesn't actually work. She is twenty years older than you. He's met her before! Nothing I could say would convince my mother her thoughts, believes, or experiences she described didn't make sense. At one point my mother stopped talking to our grandmother. I asked my grandmother if she ever did anything my mother described to me, and my grandmother of course said no. About five years later I tried to again convince my mother what she was describing wasn't really happening, and there must be another explanation for her believes. I thought my mother was getting dementia. I finally told my mother I ask grandma if she ever contacted your boyfriend. My mother asked what grandma said. I told her she had never done anything like that. My mom said "of course she would say that." I told my mother, "mom it never happened, it doesn't make sense." My mom was upset. Later I got a letter that equated to my mother saying I was accusing her of creating a fantasy world, and she didn't want to talk to me again. That was year 2019, and the end of our relationship. It was also the end of my relations with my brothers. Over the course of twenty years my mother had issues with her brother, her sister, her husband, neighbors, co-workers, random people, her mother (grandma), her daughter, and year 2019 myself. She managed to dissolve each one of those relationships. After my grandmother died, I heard interesting stories from my uncle how I came into my mothers home and stole papers, the reason my mother couldn't find certain papers she lost. I live over 1000 miles from my mother. To this day I've not seen or spoke to my mother since the last letter. I became a subject of her delusions, therefor dangerous and untrustworthy. My mother lost relations with: brother, sister, husband, mother, boyfriends, daughter, son, friends. For years I was really in pain about my mother doing this. I just couldn't understand it. I thought what an evil thing to do to a child no mater the age. To tell the child I never want to see you again. At first I thought it was just anger and it would fade, but then Christmas time came and I sent her a Christmas card, and it came back unopened with her hand writing on it, 'return to sender.' The years followed nightmares, crying, .. etc, thoughts I'll never even know if my mother is dead or alive, or doing well. It took awhile and I just had to accept it. Such a hard thing to accept, family estrangement. As I look back in time I see how things built up to get me out of her life, until recently I only saw things from the pain I felt, but I recently looked at it from another perspective. My mother had been suffering from Delusional Disorder. What a terrible and scary thing this must be for someone. Delusional are not detectable to the person having them. They are real. Sometimes they are hallucinations in visual or auditory form, other times its just thoughts. Just imagine yourself in a scenario where you hear your lover talking to another person in the next room. You hear them saying things you wouldn't be privy to. Then later they come home and from your perspective they are acting like they just arrived. You query them who they were talking to. They respond with I just got home. Then the accusations start, and the feedback loop begins anabatic to an argument and distrust. You heard them in the other room! What the fuck. You can't tell me you were not here talking to someone about XYZ, I heard you! What I describe above is how it is for them, and sometimes what they hear is people they know plotting their murder. I have no real way of knowing my mother actually has Delusion Disorder. I see all the times people were following her, watching her, harassing her, cheating on her, likely to have been delusions, and when ever I asked for facts or some proof there was nothing concrete. As a child we are conditioned to believe our parents so for years I took her words on faith, but when the stories about my grandmother, someone I knew about as long as my own mother, someone who I've spent so much time with over the years, the doubt formed in my mind and I couldn't let it pass. I felt torn between the loyalty I owed the person who created me vs the person who created all of us. I had to dig, defend, bridge, envoy, fix what was fracturing and dividing more and more. I never got the chance to fix anything. Before my mother cut our relations off, she had already cut my sister off, although she never formally told her. Grandma wrote in her diary she didn't understand why her daughter wouldn't talk to her anymore, she loved her, but didn't understand. I didn't hear of that entry until after grandma passed away. Recently my epiphany appeared when my sister started sounding a lot like my mother. My sister experienced hallucinations about people who she trusted. People she spent a lot of time with over the past year, suddenly are untrustworthy. They called me to tell my sister seems to be having an issue. My sister doesn't know the extent of our phone call, but the fact I got a call from someone I didn't know with concern for my sister is a sign these people aren't trying to do anything bad to her. While a day later I get a call from my sister freaked out about her friends are trying to kill her. I remembered 7 months before my sister telling me she called the police on her neighbor. She accused him of taking nude pictures of her through the window. She said he was showing another neighbor the pictures outside her door. I asked her did you see the two neighbors? She said she heard them talking about her. The police came out asked the neighbor, and even asked to see his phone. He complied and there were no pictures. A prior year my sister took pictures of the space above the ceiling due to water damage repair showing how he had installed wires to spy on her. It took me an hour to explain what she actually saw was the wiring to the AC above her unit. Just so many stories that were starting to sound a lot like those my mother would say. I had to look up hallucinations and what causes them, schizophrenia, and delusional disorder appeared, I read about each one. There is no possible way to tell a person with a delusion its not real. They get very upset, very agitated, I don't know how a delusion of these type enters a persons mind, but there is no logic associated with it, and therefore there is no logic that can be explained to get the person to rationally believe what they experienced or what is in there mind isn't real. The ego is so powerful in their mind, it will not allow a foreign person or outsider to insert reason. If you try, it won't be long before the person you are trying to help adds you to one of their existing or new delusion, and then your friend or relative with delusions will see you as a danger. They will stop being open and honest with you, they will guard against you. Possibly end relations with you. I tried to tell my sister our mother was having delusions. She wasn't narcissistic, she wasn't being mean and crewel to us although it felt that way, she was protecting herself from hallucinations and delusions. My sister immediate took my words as "you think I'm delusional?! You think I'm crazy!" The hurt they feel, someone they trust (but less) also thinks the same as her friends that are trying to gaslight her. They must have gotten to my brother too! So sad. My only hope is there is some tiny fraction of belief within my sister: my brother loves me, and I SHOULD trust him. Why would he be like my friends, maybe I should get help. All I can do is keep checking on her, and hope she is OK. She will stop telling me the truth. -------------------------------------------------------------- How long before I succumb to the same disorder? If I write about enough things, maybe someone I know will see them and detect my own nuttyness and get someone to help me, or send me on my way and let me isolate and the world becomes a danger