Erek - yes - the spiraling upward model or the chaos model (it is chaos right? or complexity? I get the two darn things mixed up :P ) - when I worked for a pharmaceutical company the group I was in was business information - the core group of analysts was mosty temporary workers, including myself - and I sort of created my own position there, making myself the Excel expert and so invaluable they *had* to hire me. :D"