Neuroeconomics - fascinating! It helps with some of the disagreements I've had regarding the Adam Smith model (which is marvelous and wonderful and has taken us *very far* - yet has inherent limitations) in its over-reliance on the concept of "humans as rational". * [which was fine for its time historically, but its nice to see cognitive science making headway here from an economics perspective] * Regarding mathematical foundations for Universes; I don't doubt it's *possible*; mathematics is practically *made* for investigating possibilities in a self-supporting way. * My concern is that, underlying it all, for a system to *be* so paradox-free there must be a paradox. (can the bootstrap bootstrap the bootstrap?) * I personally don't have a problem with paradoxes; I don't think they really exist, as they can be done away with by stepping outside of the system containing the paradox and viewing it from the perspective of another system that rests on a different basis. (for example, to solve an NP-hard problem, step outside of the computability of it and actually *do it*; take the necessity for Universality out it and apply it) * Or "how to crack an uncrackable encryption scheme?" - if the creator is alive, kidnap his family and threaten to kill them if he doesn't give up the code. * Horrible, awful to even consider such tactics, but those are the places where the armchair meets the Russian mob as it were. * I'm not taking way from the beauty of the system as they are - and the fantastic potential they have as illustrators of Truth; but the fact that it's real humans that are doing these things; that there's really no abstractions when it comes down to it; there seems to be a biological basis for concepts, with squirting neurochemicals and the like... - and that we humans are the ones creating these formulations - that the *way* we currently discuss things - in terms of "real vs abstract" "theory vs reality" - Platonic ideals - "brain in a vat" style; imposes limits upon our ability to consider everything. * I don't believe mathematics is a fiction; it is quite real; but I would be interested in seeing an update at some point; where axioms can successfully upon their biological foundations and THEN be built up; and not necessarily in "brain-in-a-vat" style but rather as a system of discourse - with a biological basis, used by beings that live within societies and subcultures with various methods of discourse on a planet, while also keeping in mind the historical context behind the basis of the ideas. * It's a tall order: biological, socio-cultural, historical and THEN the theories laid on top... but I think it would be a nice way for society to move forward. * I think it would be better for, a nice theory can be argued using the Socratic method quite easily; but a more (I don't like this word but I have to use it) ecological perspective on mathematics that *also* incorporates axioms and proofs as standing ON TOP OF our status as humans and respecting our differeing perspectives, would ultimately be a much more powerful mathematics than currently exists today.Of course. it's not really an order of operations as it were; biological, socio-cultural and historical might need to happen in a braided fashion; i see it as a stronger cord to rest discourse on; and a way to tie the humanities and sciences together. Right now, I think their separation is unnecessary and kind of sad really. I don't see any reason they need to fight, really Hm... historical, sociocultural then biological then theories. Start with the stories: Where did this come from? How does it currently relate in the context of today? Then move to sciences biological then move to the platonic ideals. There's a lot of bootstrapping within it all; biology is full of its own platonic ideals and imperfect; history and sociocultural rests on a lot of assumptions and perspectives within the storytelling; but I think what I'm trying to eliminate (if it is possible) the concept of something being so perfect as it merely falls out of the sky as self-evident. Even if it doesn't eliminate conflict (as a purely mathematical system is able to do within itself) - it does, at least, come from a more forthright approach - not that anybody's lying - they're not. Just hidden-variable checking as it were