Common Core Math rant.* Here is a sample math test question from the mind of Kenneth Udut.* I _think_ it's solvable.* This is why I hate word problems in math.* They don't reflect REALITY IN ANY WAY.* Here, enjoy. "Billy is on a train going west at 238.5 km/hr. Sally is in a car heading northeast at 30 feet/s. They are starting on the line of a circle that has a radius of 50 miles, one at 300degrees and the other at 5pi/4 radians. a) draw secant between Billy and Sally. b) Play intersecting chord on a keyboard tuned to Dorian scale, paying close attention to note frequency in centicycles per second. c) utilizing a triangular isometric grid on a euclidean base with 3/7 hecre spacing, compensating for spacetime warping using vector spaces of the tensor product, on a planet made entirely of carbon nanofibers with a heptagram/pentagram alternating packing and a core of molten iron spinning at 8.3 meters per decisecond in a east-south-east counterclockwise rotation in a mobius strip pattern (north to south), identify precisely where they will meet within the circle. 3) Must use #2 Pencil. You have 15 minutes to complete this portion of the test. Unit Conversion Chart is provided as is specific gravity for carbon. NOTE: the chirality of the nanocarbon is primarily left-winding but you may estimate utilizing standard van der Waals forces. No calculators. SHOW YOUR WORK [This is how I see Common Core Math. I should write these tests - I think I asked an answerable set of questions up there - but don't try to answer them. I'm not evil] ======= I see various issues with the question, and I don't see Common Core as this confusing. As for word problems, I see them as the only truly useful real-world application problems. Abstract numbers and sets are hard for many people to conceptualize, so word problems give them context. As they are written currently, though, they do a poor job at this, as well as most people are not taught how to take out only the relevant information for a problem (another needed skill for the real world). But, as this question stands, it is unanswerable. ====== Oh I'm exaggerating entirely for affect (effect?). I did it more for humor/rant than I did for being accurate. The issue I have, I suppose, is the unrealistic nature of thought problems. I know what they're _trying_ to accomplish, but I think understanding concepts and accuracy should be marked separately. I can conceptualize this problem just fine and could offer a framework on HOW to solve it. It is partially answerable. I didn't provide the necessary conversion charts though, nor the base units (such as the frequencies of notes on a keyboard tuned to dorian). I should have - but you can also substitute Google. I said "no calculator" - never said "no Google". Thinking outside of the framework of the question as presented is important. Billy and Sally are inside of trains on a circle that is 100 miles wide. Billy is at the five o'clock position. Sally is 7:30 position. Drawing the line between the two is easy. a) is solvable. b) isn't that hard either. 7:30 position is 225 degrees - 5 oclock position is 300 degrees. 238 km/hr = 66.25 m/s or 217.356 f/second. Possible calculation using conversation chart, which I didn't provide. sally is going 30 feet per second. Billy will meet Sally at a point outside of the circle, before she begins, as he's going west. Third octave A is approximately Sally's note. Third Octave D is approximately Billy's note. The third note is outside of the circle, meaning it happened before they left the circle, but the point of intersection would be approximately an b, making it likely a D6 . Somewhat chauvanistic, making Billy the dominant key, but hey, he was in a faster train. The interesting stuff about the planet ultimately is irrelevant to the question as is the notion of "precision" here. I did not provide the radius of the planet on purpose. The student is supposed to figure that out and deem that part of the question, "Not Enough Information to complete task". You answer what you can. You get partial credit for trying. an answer of "unanswerable" would result in a 0. I made it purposely difficult/impossible (even with a conversion chart).... which is exactly what I've noticed in various sample common core questions I've seen on the web (real ones - not the memes. I went to the various states and took their sample tests)... and going by my nephew's complaints about the 'new math tests'. They're designed to give you 'grit' - to be confusing - to be difficult. Maybe it will work as an educational theory and I REALLY HOPE it works. I just wish they had tested it more before such wide implementation that's all. It's probably a valid theory but I honestly don't know, and haven't seen proof that it is just yet. it's being alpha tested (not even beta tested) on REAL kids whose REAL futures will depend on the grades they get *today*. And once school is over, they'll have to do real world math, which looks nothing like this. In short, I just want them to improve the testing and teaching materials so that kids everywhere aren't doing more of what I did in school. "This is BS and isn't a realistic question!". The questions that I did poorly on school, I thought that. The 'grit' implementation will just be more of that unless it turns out they're right. It's not the _theory_ that's the problem. It's what's being put into practice. What's being put into practice is my main issue. I'm sure the theory is likely a good one. But it's like giving knives to children; - The "New Theory" is the knives, the Educators/Test preparation people are the children. if they don't know how to properly design testing procedures, how accurate will the results be? *sigh* - sorry. I shouldn't complain - there's nothing I can do about it besides that. I agree that teaching abstract numbers and sets is good. But go around the web - take some of the "sample common core math" provided by various states. I understand what they're trying to do... it just bothers me that it's been poorly tested first. The teachers haven't been trained to teach it and I fear it will result in what my brother went through when "New Math" was the thing, and they thought that "Chinese Math" was the ultimate answer to the US math problems. It wasn't. The gap between "nice theory" and "how it's put into practice" is too wide of a gap at present for it to be practical at present imo. Maybe in the future. ==== Well, I was teasing but for a purpose. The exercise was to show, through putting you through the experience. the ridiculous boundaries placed upon students. Now, let's say you had given me that response (doing it on your phone) and I was a teacher, let's say in a future distance learning course. I might consider that an unacceptable excuse and even drop the grade further for not apologizing / admitting fault, even when you saw no fault. I'm sure you had teachers like that; Kids today also have teachers like that. Teachers that affect their grades. Teachers teaching subject matter that in theory is good - I agree withthat my own math education might have been greatly improved with _proper_ application of Common Core. Now, the NY *is* one of the better ones. I'm hoping NY sets the standard for other states. Again, I'm not criticizing the theory so much. My concern is with improper training of personnel in teaching. My concern is with the consistency of teaching and testing materials. The extra testing that this is bringing into the system puts *all* of the pressure on the teachers to squeeze out results - results affecting their pay, the future income of their school, their district. Everything is tied together in things that look good on paper and will result in a nice bunch of statistics to work with. The students will manage ultimately and some of them will likely thrive. But we don't know - it's being tested LIVE. Perhaps in 12 years or so, once the dust settles, a generation of teachers trained properly in the application of Common Core methodology... then it may be a good system. But... teacher's pay will be penalized, and students grades are predicted to suffer for an unknown time to come. [it's on the common core site itself; in their FAQ - rather important yet buried in there]. I'm having trouble expressing it properly; YOU as an adult can do these tests. YOU see the value in it. And _you can walk away from it_ and move on with your life. But when you're embedded within the system itself; as a teacher or a student, when you're looking to get straight A's but your teacher only _seems_ to understand the materials and doesn't.... then you fall into the "expected casualties" of grades. Good bye scholarship. Good bye GPA. A potential generation of students who got ripped off, like my brother got ripped off with New Math in the early 70s because people that are *outside of the System* dictate changes that must happen *inside of the System*. Basic Systems Theory stuff. Big externally applied solutions, no matter how logical and pretty they are on paper, no matter how much "someday this will work great".... *will* cause problems, casualties, injuries and broken parts within the system unless implemented carefully, surgically, with plenty of healing salve. But instead, it's guns blazing, "we're gonna fix this once and fer all, yup" and roll it out quickly to get those statistics in. The problem is: the statistics are _students_ and teachers. They're not numbers. They're people, with futures. I'm not *against Common Core* per se. I'm against slipshod implementation of it and some of the unofficial baggage that's coming in *with* Common Core. [the GRIT philosophy, which is barely tested on real students, and is part of a bit of pop psychology that has been gaining in popularity over the last few years within academic circles... - The whole package; not promotional materials that have us look only at the best possible angle of things. I'm all for change. Just... "well implemented" change - not expectations of failure for an unspecified period of time... the implementers should bear the difficulties of implementation, not the teachers and students. Oh well. This is why I don't do politics. I don't believe in "one size fits all" projects... and the promotional videos are unrealistic. Remember: *we too* took part in experimental education. We're the product of some fad and experiment that was popular in education at the times we went there. Do we look back and go, "Good thing they taught us things that way" or "Man, something gotta change"? Something _does_ have to change, and Common Core is as good as any concept for change. I just... don't like how they're going about it. I hope they compensate the kids and teachers with some forgiveness for poor performance over the next few years as its implemented. Experiments in Education rarely seem to last more than a few years before they're abandoned... and I hope that Common Core isn't yet another one of those casualties in 12-15 years from now when something new comes along, kids and teachers just getting the hang of it are left in the dust and those going through the first few years now, will spend their lives cursing Common Core... _not_ because of the theory... but because it messed up their academic opportunities. *sigh*. I've ranted enough about it. You don't have to agree with me. I just don't like heavy-handed solutions, no matter how good they are on paper.