yeah you understand completely what I was saying. I like to start out sounding like an idiot; it gets people riled up and then start discussing. Then once I get an audience, I try to sound more rational as I go along.. doesn't always work :P [I only recently realized I have this pattern] The eye opener for me in the video is when I realized: "take out the nail" man to woman "look at the map" woman to man and both are saying "NO I can figure it out myself - do you think I'm stupid?" in response. That's when I realized we all do the same thing, just in different domains. Ridiculous in both cases, and I've learned to look up directions first and ask if I get lost. 'cause I dont' wanna be someone with a nail (obvious problem/obvious solution) sticking out of my head when someone looks at it and says, "Dude, just [here is solution]" and I go "no no no, I got this". I still do though :P Thanks for taking the time to read through the thread.