Thank you for your analysis and for pointing that out.* Intersubjectivity is a word I don't see nearly enough and you're right; in the actual practice of science, the lines that seem so nice and clear to students are, as always and thankfully so, blurred by good ol' reality, at least from what I can see. I've made some kind of switching error of some sort in that statement.* I have, alas, been hanging around several Philosophy forums over the past six months, conquering once and for all, a lifetime distaste for that method of discourse... at least.. as it manifests itself on the Internet. Ayn Rand anyone? Fallacy?* Oh if I hear that word one more time... But you recognize my point well.* My beef, in the end, is with Science-as-presented and the repercussions in society, rather than its actual practice per se.* We're all just people doing the best we can with whatever knowledge we have at hand at the time in whatever roles we may be playing at the time. I was excessively harsh regarding perceptions of the Subject because I find myself defending its ... well.. ultimate truthfulness:* not as "absolute " or "ideal form"* - but as a series of on-going negotiations in shared human attempts towards .. ... well, towards whatever it is that supposedly we're all working towards. I suppose we're working towards a Utopian ideal of some kind.* Well, many Utopias, different depending who you ask.* Shared utopian visions can lead to great things while at the same time losing some things in the process if care isn't taken.