wow. The emotions they be flying.
   Let's see...

   Consciousness is beyond what we can measure?
   Consciousness can't be measured?
   Consciousness is a thing?
   Consciousness must exist in a Platonic realm beyond all...
   [xyzpdq]?

   come on.

   Our ability to measure/not measure something has little to do
   with any bearing on whether something is real or not. It just
   speaks to current limitations.

   I don't mind knowing that everything I experience is from the
   past, and that the future is projection, which is ALSO made in
   the past, about this thing we call 'the future' - which is
   *also* the past, as we have no knowledge of it until it's
   already past.

   it's not that hard to get. Terms like past/present/future are
   convenient... that is, unless you follow a Block View of Time...
   which is fine too, but that view misses much and assumes
   a-plenty. Useful though.

   Of course I could be entirely missing 'the point' of what you
   guys were fighting over but I don't think I did.