"1] Logic is not metaphor. Logic is natural (informal) and logic is representative (formal). 2] There is no such thing as a metaphor without the represenational logic of language's foundation." Does the effect create the cause, Seedy? 1) Language was spoken. 2) Logic was created / discovered / revealed 3) Logic is used to explain the nature of Language. In a timeline of history, Language came before the system of Logic. Therefore Logic is the product of Language and all that entails, EVEN IF, the Logic created by the Language explains the Language well. Can you see my point? I'm not denying Logic's raw power, just as I would not deny mathematics its raw power. I'm striving for something else here.