Interesting point of view; I'm pondering my thoughts aloud here. [as loud as words on a screen are tongue emoticon ] I remember in self-organizing systems: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization... systems dynamics, things that seem to happen in a pre-determined manner are often the result of what seem to be physical "resting points", after the chaos eventually seems to give way to order thanks to strange attractors - local sensitive points where there's a type of gravitation (not literally gravity) or saddle points; resting areas that are not at the extremes. Within the traditional hierarchy of needs, the first step is usually considered to be physiological; eat, sleep, food, water, sex. and then after that, safety, then a level of love, etc. Yet, I'm not sure if we start with physiological needs and progress to safety then love and belonging etc. I believe all creatures of any life form, are social from the outset and the rules guiding behavior, at whatever level of evolution, are formed WITHIN the group structure, which _includes_ sharing, cooperation, *as basic survival techniques*. I don't believe species have : Take Care Of Self First but that take-care-of-self-first is rather the result of cooperation-gone-wrong; in short, LEARNING. I believe we LEARN to be selfish, rather than learn to cooperate. I don't believe self-identity is primary at all. References Visible links 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization#/media/File:Nb3O7(OH)_self-organization2.jpg