[1]http://icopiedyou.com/kenneth-udut-has-some-unique-ideas.../ You're correct. Approximately 25 years and 3 months and 10 days. Might be someone earlier than that, as presumably he was speaking about things that occurred during the quarter he was marking, but I have no evidence I can present. Therefore, this is as close as I can get to verifying your hypothesis. Also, Matt Bailey To further confirm your hypothesis, [2]http://icopiedyou.com/i-never-stopped-being-creative-but.../ I had gotten as far as I could to patent a novel idea back in 1999/2000 that was a very specific car backup system. When I started working on it, I had found no patents even close to it. By the time I had something worth submitting to a patent attorney for review, some chinese dude had "submitted for review" six months before me. His patent wasn't even close to being accepted but by reading what he did, seeing it line up one by one by one, matching every single idea I had... ... I knew I was not original. Took about a week to get over the cognitive dissonance, frankly. But thankfully, I never spent a dime on it, just some spare time during breaks at work when I could. So, you are correct in my specific case. You should feel proud. You actually got one right grin emoticon [might even be the second thing even!] Kudos So your observation of my "not originalness" is about 15 years too late to be a surprise to me Matt Bailey But you didn't know me then, so your lateness in entering the Timestream by way of parents and our intersecting in this forum at this time with me is not your fault. References Visible links 1. http://icopiedyou.com/kenneth-udut-has-some-unique-ideas-concerning-theoretical-physics-high-school-physics-class/ 2. http://icopiedyou.com/i-never-stopped-being-creative-but-searching-for-the-original-in-me-has-become-a-never-ending-quest/