ah, gotcha. My bad smile emoticon Physics generally makes time go away because it mucks up the calculations - makes them too complicated. How can you measure an object that's under constant change? We have to pretend (useful fiction) that time doesn't matter in order to do so. == In theory that's true. We have no way to verify the subjective experience of a photon - just a mathematical convenience. Also, light rarely travels at the speed of light anyway. There's usually something in the way that slows it down somewhat, even if it's stray electron charges or a little gravity here and there. ==