Another odd thought that has occured to me that I would like to 'bounce' off of others here if I may... We are to move in the direction of dispassion, of removal of the "I/me" now so that in the end we will be more of what we can be, than if we had trapped ourselves in self-conceptualizations... and to do this, seeking only the love of God (I think - is this right?) Is there a tradition or something along these lines (I have gotten some hints of it from some lives of the Saints but I could be mis-reading), where one constantly sees himself as an outsider, perhaps as a "he" instead of an "I", as a process to be more conscience of one's own movements and thoughts? Example: (I don't do this, by the way - it is just by way of example) Instead of referring to myself as "I", I might refer to myself as "he", as if I am talking about somebody else entirely. And not just when speaking to others, but also when speaking to myself. So that, when I am walking down the street, I don't see it as myself walking down t he street, but rather as "him" - almost as if a story-line was unfolding... and by doing this, if I was about to fall into sin, I would see "him" falling into sin, and then catch myself before I go forward in the sin... Is this making any sense? -Kenneth -- :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: :-: [1][log in to unmask] - NJ Rational Mystics BBS 908/241-8528 :-: :-: Waffle 1.65 - FX-UUCICO/32-bit - Amanda1j - YARN 0.91 -: :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: : *******************************************It is later than you think. References Visible links 1. https://listserv.okstate.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A2%3Dind9802B%26L%3DORTHODOX%26P%3DR17540%261%3DORTHODOX%269%3DA%26I%3D-3%26J%3Don%26K%3D3%26d%3DNo%2BMatch%253BMatch%253BMatches%26z%3D4