Yeah, the whole "mac isn't a real computer" stuff - I remember that prejudice. You were light years ahead of everybody else, as I was; I always excelled at the "inbetween" stuff that nobody wanted to touch. Too advanced for the users, and "a toy..." by the "real IT ppl". Whether scripting or Excel + VBA, I'd give the users far beyond what they wanted, while the IT pros scratched their heads trying to figure out "how"."